New Level 5 Destroyer | Softbear Games | Page 1

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 1:48 AM

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Due to recent concerns about the Arleigh Burke being too nerfed for Balance, it was suggested that all destroyers move up from Level 5+ to the next level with buffs. This will leave space for a Level 5 Destroyer. Preferably not American, but if you can find a good Level 5 Destroyer that doesn't have VLS, then it can be implemented in the game.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-Württemberg-class_frigate

Baden-Württemberg-class frigate

The F125 Baden-Württemberg-class frigates are a series of frigates of the German Navy, which were designed and constructed by ARGE F125, a joint-venture of Thyssen-Krupp and Lürssen. The Baden-Württemberg class is the heaviest displacement of any class of frigates worldwide. They replaced the F122 Bremen class. They are primarily designed for...

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This has 8 Harpoon Launchers

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durand_de_la_Penne-class_destroyer

Durand de la Penne-class destroyer

The Durand de la Penne class are two guided-missile destroyers operated by the Italian Navy. The design is an enlarged version of the Audace class, updated with diesel and gas turbine CODOG machinery and modern sensors. Four ships were planned but the second pair were cancelled when Italy joined the Horizon project.

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This has 4 Anti Ship and 4 Anti Sub OTOMAT missles

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otomat

Otomat

The Otomat is an anti-ship and coastal defence missile developed by the Italian company Oto Melara jointly with Matra and now made by MBDA. The name comes, for the first versions, from the name of the two builders ("Oto Melara" and "Matra") and, for the later versions, Teseo, from the Italian word for Theseus. The MILAS variant is an anti-submar...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asagiri-class_destroyer

Asagiri-class destroyer

The Asagiri-class destroyer (あさぎり型護衛艦, Asagiri-gata-goei-kan) is a class of destroyer, serving with the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF). It was the second class of first-generation general-purpose destroyers of the JMSDF.

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This also has 8 Harpoon Missle Launchers

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godavari-class_frigate

Godavari-class frigate

The Godavari-class frigates (formerly Type 16 or Project 16 frigates) were guided-missile frigates of the Indian Navy. The Godavari class was the first significant indigenous warship design and development initiative of the Indian Navy. Its design is a modification of the Nilgiri class with a focus on indigenous content of 72%, a larger hull and...

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Features 4 P-15 Termit Forward Facing Missles as well as SAM VLS

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulsan-class_frigate

Ulsan-class frigate

The Ulsan-class frigate (Korean: 울산급 호위함; Hanja: 蔚山級護衛艦) is the high-end complement of the high-low mix domestic naval construction plan of the Republic of Korea Navy under the 1st Yulgok Project (1974–1986) for the Republic of Korea Armed Forces.

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This is a Pretty Small One But also Powerful One, once again featuring 8xHarpoon Launchers

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Alr so IMO if Arleigh keeps its harpoons then German, Japanese, and Korean design is already out

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But if it doesn't, then all ships are up for grabs

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 2:40 AM

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thoughts? https://discord.com/channels/847143438939717663/1485074557701198084

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 2:42 AM

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@spark comet Yes :>

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But I do agree with squirrel in that post saying its similar to visby

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If there is anything you can do to make it distinct than squirrel will most likely include it in game

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I do like the unique design of the ship

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiral_Ronarc'h-class_frigate#/media/File:FDI_Ronach_02.jpg

Amiral Ronarc'h-class frigate

The Amiral Ronarc'h-class frigate is a new class of first-rank French frigates to complement the Aquitaine class. The program is known as Frégate de Défense et d'Intervention (English: Defence and Intervention Frigate) or FDI, formerly denominated Frégate de Taille Intermédiaire (English: Medium-Size Frigate) or FTI. The programme was launch...

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That picture is so aura

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27 knots max interesting

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 2:52 AM

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thoughts on the halland or hamburg classes?

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 2:53 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halland-class_destroyer
At armermant alone Level 4 or below

Halland-class destroyer

The Halland-class destroyers were two ships built for the Swedish Navy in the 1950s. Four ships were planned, but the second pair were canceled. Two modified ships were exported to the Colombian Navy. These vessels were general purpose surface combatants.

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 2:54 AM

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lol how? it’s like a super fletcher

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 2:54 AM

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Well Level 4 then

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 2:54 AM

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4 guns, 8 guided heavyweight torpedoes, 8 anti sub mortars and 2 missiles

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 2:54 AM

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4.5 technically

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 2:55 AM

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dude the armament is crazy!

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 2:55 AM

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2 Missles?

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 2:55 AM

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you know how OP that would be at anti sub?

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imagine fletcher but the torpedoes are guided and it gets mortars

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 2:55 AM

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spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 2:56 AM

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opal rose

that’s the Colombian one. i mean the Swedish one

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 2:56 AM

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I see mb

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 2:57 AM

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Hamburg is solid too

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 2:57 AM

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With its two anti ship its also a good contendor and its purely anti sub is unique

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(Other than the 2 missles of course)

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Wire Guided Torpedos?

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Interesting

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Aura
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg-class_destroyer

Hamburg-class destroyer

The Type 101 Hamburg class was the only class of destroyers built during post-war Germany. They were specifically designed to operate in the Baltic Sea, where armament and speed is more important than seaworthiness. They were named after Bundesländer. The Hamburg class destroyers were replaced by the Brandenburg class frigates.

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Alr so Hamburg class has better anti ship armermant because of the Exocet Missles while Halland has better anti sub with twice the amount of torpedo tubes

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:02 AM

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hamburg gets mortars and depth charges though

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:03 AM

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Then Hamburg wins cause most of their other armaments are similar

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Because both of them have bofors 875mm anti sub rockets

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And Saab Rh 08 was retired by 1995 while the exocet is still in use today

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Hamburg and FDI are both viable new level 5 designs that fit the destroyer role

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:07 AM

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thoughts? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffren-class_frigate

Suffren-class frigate

The Suffren class were two anti-air frigates of the French Navy, designed to protect a fleet against air threats, surface ships, and submarines. They were the first French ships to be built specifically as guided missile frigates. Ordered in 1960, the class was intended to be more numerous, but budget pressure from the French nuclear weapons pro...

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:09 AM

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If we decrease the Exocet missles to 2 this provides the most unique of the ships in this forum

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The Zumwalt is the closest we have to an anti air ship in game

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barring the uh....kirov

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But for there to be a true anti air frigate at level 5 would be very nice

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It would be op for fleets but because it only has 4 exocet and 10 l5 torpedos at max (Squirrel usually nerfs some things) then I believe from a gameplay perspective this offers the best unique ability for a ship to have

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The ships alone would be struggling a bit but if you need protection against anti ship missles

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:13 AM

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Halifax class frigate could work too

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it’s like a mini Burke

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:15 AM

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It is like a mini Burke but I am more inclined towards the other ships just because they have unique capabilities

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:16 AM

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opal rose It is like a mini Burke but I am more inclined towards the other ships just beca...

fair enough

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the thing is that squirrel wants SAMs

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and hamburg has none (it would still be good anyways)

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:17 AM

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spark comet the thing is that squirrel wants SAMs

We can narrow it down to these three by unique capabilities

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FDI, Hamburg, and Suffren

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FDI cause its made, Hamburg because of anti sub, and Suffren cause of anti air

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:17 AM

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squirrel says that FDI is very new and similar to visby, Hamburg has no SAMs, and Suffren idk yet

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:18 AM

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spark comet the thing is that squirrel wants SAMs

I believe from these the Suffren along with Squirrels suggestion is a pretty unique ship that would fit perfectly in level 5 with its armament

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FDI is somewhat visby, and we have a lot of anti sub things already

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Fletcher, Essex, Moscva, Hyuga

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:19 AM

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I think Suffren only has two SAMs though 💀

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:19 AM

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But we dont have a dedicated Anti air ship

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spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:19 AM

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yeah but the launcher can only shoot 2 at a time I think

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48 is just the magazine size

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:20 AM

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Side note I love how french nationalist the description for the masurca starts

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ZE FRENCH MUST KEEP PACE WITH THE OTHER GREAT POWERS

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They are a twin launcher you are correct

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:22 AM

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hhhh we need a better boat -_-

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:23 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsen-class_frigate

Sachsen-class frigate

The F124 Sachsen class is a German Navy's class of air-defense frigates. The design of the hull is based on that of the F123 Brandenburg class but with enhanced stealth features designed to deceive an opponent's radar and acoustic sensors. The class incorporates an advanced multifunction radar APAR and a SMART-L long-range radar which is purport...

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They have harpoons and a bunch of vls sams

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32 Rim 162 sams

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No VLS only applies to Anti Ship if im not mistaken

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:24 AM

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yeah but at that point you might as well use halifax

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:24 AM

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I mean your not wrong

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Ill keep looking

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:25 AM

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like all the unique ships are trash at anti air, and all the good ones are boring lmao

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county class maybe?

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:26 AM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer

Type 45 destroyer

The Type 45 destroyer, also known as the D or Daring class, is a class of six guided-missile destroyers built for the United Kingdom's Royal Navy in the early 21st century. The class is primarily designed for anti-aircraft and anti-missile warfare and is built around the PAAMS (Sea Viper) air-defence system using the SAMPSON Active electronicall...

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:26 AM

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it has no torpedoes

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County-class_destroyer here what about this one

County-class destroyer

The County class was a class of British guided missile destroyers, the first such warships built by the Royal Navy. Designed specifically around the Seaslug anti-aircraft missile system, the primary role of these ships was area air defence around the aircraft carrier task force in the nuclear-war environment.
Eight ships were built and entered s...

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2 guns, 4 Exocets, 4 SAMs, 6 torps, 1 helicopter

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:28 AM

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One of the guns was replaced by the exocets

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Wait forward launching

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:28 AM

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ah but you see, they’re twin cannons

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so 1 turret has 2 guns in it

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:29 AM

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opal rose Wait forward launching

yeah the Exocets are forward only

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better than side launched imo

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:29 AM

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Only other ship that has forward launch is the kirov

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:29 AM

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spark comet better than side launched imo

fr though

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:29 AM

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county might be a solid lvl 5

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:30 AM

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Yeah the forward launchers are nice

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:30 AM

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but it might need a buff 🤔

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cause visby would be way better

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:30 AM

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How strong are exocets compared to visby

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Ok the FDI's main armament is exocets yes

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:31 AM

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FDI would be cool cause it’s torpedoes can attack incoming enemy torpedoes

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they double as anti sub and anti torpedo

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:32 AM

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opal rose How strong are exocets compared to visby

Exocets are better than harpoons and the rbs 15

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:33 AM

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spark comet FDI would be cool cause it’s torpedoes can attack incoming enemy torpedoes

Peak

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:33 AM

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oh wait, county could fire 10 SAMs at once

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just buff it to 6 SAMs and call it a day lol

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:34 AM

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Fr

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:34 AM

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ima make a forum post for county

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:34 AM

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Maybe 8

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@faint rain gonna have a field day with all the ships we suggested lmao edit: "we suggested" (you suggested)

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County class with exocets

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:41 AM

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looks cool. it bridges the gap between ww2 fletcher and modern Burke perfectly

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:41 AM

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https://www.seaforces.org/marint/Royal-Navy/Destroyer/County-class.htm
This website is peak for reference art

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Wait real quick where can it launch 10 sams from

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:49 AM

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it has a twin Seaslug launcher on the rear for long range SAMs, and then on each side it has a quad SeaCat close ranger SAM launcher (4 x 2 = 8)

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:50 AM

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Alr alr peak

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 3:50 AM

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look at the deck just below the funnnel

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opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 3:51 AM

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I see

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Alr alr very cool

marsh briar Apr 25, 2026, 4:01 AM

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spark comet thoughts? https://discord.com/channels/847143438939717663/1485074557701198084

Ngl I like the design way better than visby

marsh briar Apr 25, 2026, 4:03 AM

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opal rose But for there to be a true anti air frigate at level 5 would be very nice

Cough type 45

spark comet Apr 25, 2026, 4:08 AM

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type 45 would be cool if it had torpedoes. idk what the British designers were smoking when they designed it, but they sure forgot an important weapon.

marsh briar Apr 25, 2026, 4:13 AM

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spark comet type 45 would be cool if it had torpedoes. idk what the British designers were s...

Unless the thought was “our subs are better than anyone else’s”

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But still💀

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 10:12 AM

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spark comet type 45 would be cool if it had torpedoes. idk what the British designers were s...

I mean to be fair I did just search up anti air destroyer

opal rose Apr 25, 2026, 4:56 PM

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Possibly to keep with the 5 armaments rule replace 8 harpoons with 8 tomahawks on the burke

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they do around the same damage I believe

marsh briar Apr 25, 2026, 7:40 PM

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opal rose Possibly to keep with the 5 armaments rule replace 8 harpoons with 8 tomahawks o...

8 tomahawks, 6 SAMs, move it to level 7 and keep kolky at 6

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Basically the Burke flight III loadout

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:35 AM

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what happens to the destroyer already at a higher level (like say 055 at level 7) when burke is moved up there

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and isn't giving burke 8 tomahawks and 6 sams essentially making it a worse, less stealthy 055

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i think what should be done is a non-american variant of the burke (like the Korean Sejong the Great or Japanese Maya class) should be addd at a higher tier with a somewhat unique armament

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Sejong could get SSM 700s, Blue shark torpedos and K-ASROCs

opal rose May 3, 2026, 4:59 PM

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keen hemlock what happens to the destroyer already at a higher level (like say 055 at level 7...

they get moved as well

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moved up

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kolkata may or may not just stay the sam

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And a non american variant of the burke aint unique enoughh

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:13 PM

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opal rose And a non american variant of the burke aint unique enoughh

its better than literally just slapping tomahawks on a burke (we already have tomahawks in the game)

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we dont have any korean ships iirc and the korean ship comes with different missiles and torpedos

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certainly more unique than a buffed burke

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:25 PM

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keen hemlock Sejong could get SSM 700s, Blue shark torpedos and K-ASROCs

SSM 700 functions as a harpoon, blue shark torpedoes function the same as mk54s

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heli, gun, and anti air already take up the other three slots

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:28 PM

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keen hemlock its better than literally just slapping tomahawks on a burke (we already have to...

Why not? The Burkes main armament is the tomahawk and it provides a good all round destroyer role

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:28 PM

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its atleast a little different to what we have in game

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:29 PM

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keen hemlock its atleast a little different to what we have in game

Not really, Sejong the Great only has slightly bufffed weapons and more vls

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It is just an advanced Aegis destroyer

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:29 PM

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all we are doing is putting 4/5ths of an ohio on a burke and giving it more sams

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i'd prefer more variety over it tbh

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:29 PM

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keen hemlock all we are doing is putting 4/5ths of an ohio on a burke and giving it more sams

What your suggesting is the exact same ship

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Sejong the Greats main thing over the burke is its vls capacity

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Other than that its just a slightly upgraded burke

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The town class destroyer we suggested for level 5 has forward facing exocet missles

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:31 PM

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i mean it does have double the missiles as burke

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:32 PM

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96->112 aint double

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:32 PM

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opal rose 96->112 aint double

meant anti ship

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8 ssm 700s per side in what i believe is the same config as burke

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and the ssm is superior to the harpoon

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:33 PM

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I still dont see how it can compete in terms of uniqueness to the county class

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:33 PM

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keen hemlock and the ssm is superior to the harpoon

In game that means a slight damage buff

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:34 PM

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I'm suggesting Sejong be the level 7 that's added

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instead of buffing burke

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because sejong is literally a stronger and slightly more unique burke

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(based on teh current one in game)

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:35 PM

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keen hemlock because sejong is literally a stronger and slightly more unique burke

Without VLS its basically the same ship with a damage boost in game

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keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:35 PM

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it gets different torps and missiles

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:36 PM

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And again, they function exactly the same

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:36 PM

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while your suggestion is just '4/5ths of an ohio on a burke'

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i guess the merits can be varied

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:36 PM

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or 3/5ths cause thats what the burke is

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:36 PM

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i'd say we should ask sq for his opinion

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@long otter

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:37 PM

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Here you go

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:38 PM

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do you think we should have a Sejong the Great class DDG at level 7 with SSM 700s and Blue Shark torpedos or move the existing burke to Lv 7 with 8 tomahawks and 6 sams

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:38 PM

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Maya class is another Aegis destroyer and squirell already shot it down

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:38 PM

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oh lol

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well that throws a spanner into the works

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i'd still like to see what sq says lol

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:39 PM

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opal rose

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keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:40 PM

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opal rose ^

on this specific ship lol

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i assume he will shoot it down

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although the maya shares the same torps as burke unlike sejong

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and sejong can carry more missiles

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:42 PM

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Uno momento

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:43 PM

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opal rose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulsan-class_frigate

I suggested this ROKN design because arleigh wouldn't have harpoons anymore but the county class eventually won out

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:43 PM

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opal rose

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keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:44 PM

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i really should've read caht

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i'll get back to this tomorrow ll

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it's rather late here

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:44 PM

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Btw more levels may be added so Ulsan class has a chance

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:45 PM

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opal rose Btw more levels may be added so Ulsan class has a chance

oh thank god

opal rose May 3, 2026, 5:45 PM

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Bye Bye

keen hemlock May 3, 2026, 5:45 PM

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more levels

#New Level 5 Destroyer