New Ship Class Concept: Frigates (if the game ever gets updated)

[simple reef]

Frigates were a core component of a fleet, essentially the high mobility anti submarine class, and played the screening and scouting role vs subs.
it can be described as an "anti-submarine escort vessel that was larger than a corvette (based on a mercantile design), while smaller than a destroyer." ~check link

Im not super experienced with the game but deploying own submarines feels like the main counter against enemy submarines, which i find a bit lacking in dynamic. (especially for the mid-low levels). So this class feels like a healthy addition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigate#:~:text=unprotected cruisers".-,Modern%20era,-%5Bedit%5D

[azure elbow]

There are two Frigates in mk48
Visby and Buyan

[simple reef]

Those are corvettes

they are manoeuvrable but lack the anti submarine aspect

you put a corvette at the front of a fleet to screen for submarines and it will get destroyed by submarines

[azure elbow]

... Corvettes and Frigates both means 护卫舰 in chinese

[simple reef]

oh, translation error

try check the wikipedia

see how they are differentiated in chinese

[simple reef]

is it empty?

[azure elbow]

Frigates are called "护卫舰“ Corvettes are "轻型护卫舰“

[simple reef]

oh ok, i dont know chinese but they translate correctly back into english

[agile gyro]

does lcs count as frigate?

[azure elbow]

they are corvettes

[agile gyro]

yeah

[simple reef]

size wise and speed wise, yes

[agile gyro]

ok

[simple reef]

but not equipped to perform a fleets frigates function

frigates are anti submarine

[agile gyro]

it has a heli lol

[simple reef]

1

youd be dead before getting a kill

[agile gyro]

not really

47 knts is faster than set 65s

[simple reef]

a frigate is supposed to screen the whole fleet against submarines

[agile gyro]

we already have destroyers

[simple reef]

yes but 1 heli is...

underwhelming

[agile gyro]

is there enough distinction?

[simple reef]

destroyers are slow, and are only lightly equipped against submarines

the frigate is an anti submarine specialist

[agile gyro]

what kinda anti sub weapons u want?

[simple reef]

it is fast

give it sonar decoys and good torpedos

with the ability to scan subs

[agile gyro]

sonar decoys??

[agile gyro]

wdym

sonar decoys arent being added

[simple reef]

sonar decoys already exist

[agile gyro]

not for ships

its bc

ship ones

are towed

and thats hard to add

[agile gyro]

wdym by scan?

[simple reef]

better submarine detection

[agile gyro]

the first is anti missile...

not for torps

second is a depth charge

[simple reef]

the anti sub mortars were common on real frigates

[agile gyro]

ik, i was talking about the sonar decoys

[simple reef]

and with some depth charges

[simple reef]

right

[agile gyro]

i cant find any ones that already exist

[agile gyro]

thats a planned project

can you provide an example of a modern frigate that has them?

not future

[simple reef]

the system is presently in use

[agile gyro]

again, thats anti air

not anti torpedo

[simple reef]

https://www.terma.com/products/maritime/c-guard/

[agile gyro]

ok

[agile gyro]

cant find it on the fdi

[simple reef]

its already in use this one

[agile gyro]

"will be"

im just saying there arent many examples

[simple reef]

no it is in use

but i get your point it is surprisingly a newer technology

it seems most decoys have been towed

[agile gyro]

yeah

[simple reef]

since these systems are very new and most ships in the game are older, you can just equip the frigates with how they are histroically equipped

more offence heavy vs subs

investing some time into figuring out the towed decoys would be really cool tho

it cant be that hard

[agile gyro]

its pretty hard...

[simple reef]

why is that

[agile gyro]

ask sq

also

mk48 isnt getting many big updates

[simple reef]

did he try this idea before?

[agile gyro]

@low valve

[simple reef]

yeah im not too hopeful with this idea because of that. but talking about potential concepts is fun sometimes

[agile gyro]

yeah

[low valve]

Visby (has torpedoes + helicopter) and Freedom (has helicopter) are not totally useless against subs

[agile gyro]

freedom is actually very good against subs imo

ig not for fleets though

[low valve]

if that's the case (not saying it is), the motivation to add Frigates is diminished

[simple reef]

the point isnt to have a ship that "isnt totally useless against subs" tho
it is more to have a ship that can reliably screen the fleet against subs

[agile gyro]

a lot of ships can

essex, moskva, kirov, ect

[low valve]

your best bet is having a sub on your team for that purpose

[agile gyro]

or that

[low valve]

a tiny sub hunting ship will, on average, die to enemy fire (because it's healthy would be too low) before finding a sub (because subs are rare)

[simple reef]

i drew inspiration from how fleets are set up in reality

there is no fleet without a frigate 🤷‍♂️

[agile gyro]

us fleet?

[simple reef]

yes

[agile gyro]

usn has no frigates

[simple reef]

fairly certain they do

[agile gyro]

oliver perry retired a while ago

arleigh burkes are enuogh

[simple reef]

idk it seems to me majority ships are eaten up by subs of equal level

there isnt any anti sub ship

[simple reef]

all the articles i mentioned above about the decoy systems are focused on equipping frigates with them

[agile gyro]

moskva!

[simple reef]

there is no discussion of anti sub ships without them

[low valve]

this is a common observation by ship players, but I believe it to be biased in a subtle way

every time they are killed by a sub, the ship player sees a sub that got lucky (someone wandered into their metaphorical mouth)

but sub players have to deal with average luck most of the time (and complain that subs are underpowered)

[agile gyro]

i would complain they are lol

why did yasen get nerfed :(

[simple reef]

this is very likely for me to be the case, i am relatively new to the game and dont know how it plays

as mentioned tho i just came with the idea drawing inspiration from the main components of a modern fleet :D

[agile gyro]

kk

[low valve]

don't interpret my response as "I don't agree and won't do this"

my meaning was closer to "this is why I didn't already do this"

(#mk48 is a relatively mature game and I'm working on new games, so my time/motivation to update is limited regardless of agree/disagree)

[simple reef]

of course not. you have the most experience designing the game and have spent the most time thinking about nuances "obviously". so youd have the knowledge to assess effort put into an update to how it affects gameplay

[simple reef]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constellation-class_frigate

there is one currently built and will deploy in a couple years

[agile gyro]

i saw that

[simple reef]

:D

[agile gyro]

seems interesting

sure has a lot of anti ship missiles lol

[low valve]

only ~4m or ~2% shorter than arleigh burke 😂

[simple reef]

yeah it is quite similar to that xd

[agile gyro]

"frigate"

ships seem to be getting bigger

zumwalt is huge

[eager mountain]

um why are there so many messages in one post

[feral flare]

ppl chat a lot

[cinder temple]

honestly as a sub player the only ships I truly fear are Essex, Kirov and Iowa

I feel that there are significant capability gaps in tier 5, 7 and 9 in terms of anti-submarine specialists

[cinder temple]

and maybe anti-submarine/anti-air frigates would be a good addition as more defensively focused vessels with unique playstyles

(also I want to play with depth charge projectors ok) (explosions are satisfying)

[agile gyro]

i agree with essex and iowa, kirov not so much