Pick6 Prizing Update

[long walrus]

If every entry is -110, on average less than 300 2 pick entries out of 1000 would hit

[mellow citrus]

Did we go back to rolling slates?

[deft kraken]

I always get the 4 that I want to pick but always see the x10 20 and do extra picks that never hit. The 4 should payout in special picks like extra yards etc

I live in Oklahoma so we can only get pick6 and fantasy lineups that pay out piss poor between the winners.

[chrome cliff]

@frigid lynx Do you have any feedback from the team regarding the much lower daily limits since the update? I never once reached my max daily limit under the old payout model.
For the 5 game slate today, my daily maximum limits are 2-pick: $50, 3-pick: $25, 4-pick: $25, 5-pick: $25, 6-pick: $150

[burnt mortar]

I GOT NO BOOST YESTERDAY

[sleek field]

Rolling slates blow hard

[shut beacon]

DraftKings could literally make more money with 3 or 4 slates but they make one giant one

[sleek field]

I know it doesn’t make any sense at all

[tired horizon]

Everyone please give them 1-star review in App store.

@frigid lynx Are you still hanging you hat on the "don't think of it like that" BS response that your marketing dept. fed to you. If you're still on that BS, make a public post on LinkedIn from your personal account. No hiding behind your username. Make a statement publicaly if you truly believe this change wasnt to give more money back to DK. SOMEONE BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ONCE.

Lock it so no one can even comment on it, but put your reputation behind it...

And if you're going to say, "well that's what my "team" tells me..." then make them make the post from their personal Linkedin. @frigid lynx

[frigid lynx]

Hey @tired horizon really wish we had more to share on the update or what's coming but we don't at the moment. If we did, we would definitely share it. I do know we will be sharing an update soon, but don't have any more details than that. Appreciate the patience as we wish we had something to share right now but don't. We are still actively watching this thread and acknowledge that those of you who shared thoughts are unhappy with the state of it and we will continue sharing the comments and an update soon.

[frigid lynx]

I can see what info I can grab for you here kirk 🤝

[waxen stratus]

Any clarification on soon, 3 days or more like 2 weeks?

[frigid lynx]

I don't right now bluehawk, if I did I would just say it for sure. Definitely appreciate y'all's patience, know that it doesn't go unnoticed, and we will not stop until you all are informed and updated. Appreciate you.

[main solar]

That's because they are probably trying to find a way as a team to spin it, but they know they can't so they just say nothing.... Which is essentially saying we're not going to change anything because we need the money. Not coincidental numbers for the last quarter weren't what was expected. The winning tax they tried to apply this summer and didn't go over well, this is all that is now in pick 6.

[long walrus]

They’re not changing it back, just waiting out the bad feedback. The players who actually track how they’re doing and make better decisions about long term sustainability are not customers they want anyway

[lilac stream]

Those type of players still make pay into bigger contests if DK just collecting rake . So doesn’t matter if they’re good or not for peer to peer. I would think DK just wants handle , which would go down if those players play less

Also Sunday nfl contests are open. Still 40% rake unsurprisingly

[fickle sparrow]

This

[long walrus]

If it was truly p2p, I’d agree with you. But it’s not anymore.

[sleek field]

Just gonna leave these here…

[frigid lynx]

@unborn rose here is the thread you can share your feedback 🙂

[unborn rose]

So shady. 8 pick set, one player gets scratched voiding him. Making it a 7 player set. Void means empty or not legally valid, yet Ayton is clearly still valid because he counts against me. 6 of 7 should be a win. Void means empty. Yet they say it only counts if I got 7 of 7. Backwards and shady af

[tired horizon]

@frigid lynx here are screenshots you can share with your team. PLEASE EVERYONE CONTINUE BOMBING THEM WITH 1 STAR REVIEWS

[waxen stratus]

This right here, fix the void policy to account for insurance for 6,7,8 picks when one gets voided, we are already getting guaranteed min at least pay it out right

[frigid lynx]

Team as any team actively monitors and is aware of feedback including those. Again, all feedback is being shared and we are hearing all of you and will continue to. As soon as any update or news is available, we will share it. Wish we had more to share right now, but we don't.

[unborn rose]

Yall earned the bad reviews for bad policy. Void means empty so if a player is voided his spot by definition is empty or not legally bound. Meaning that voided player shouldn't be able to hurt or help you, yet he can't help you but can still hurt you. Voids in draftkings aren't voids they still count against you. No other site has a terrible policy like yall. Says a lot about you guys as a company

[lilac stream]

The voiding policy is frustrating with the locked entries . I do get it though because it’s a peer to peer contest for a certain pick quantity . So if somebody picks a player that’s going to void, now they only have to hit 5/5 when competing against other people that have to go 6/6.

[unborn rose]

Bs

[lilac stream]

40% rake though I don’t get. And voiding thing could be fixed if they went back not having dynamic lines and allowing swaps . So bad reviews are def earned

[mortal moat]

That’s not how it works

[lilac stream]

Anyway not looking to argue with other players. Want to focus on the bad update with insane hold%. Just saying it’s more complicated than how other sites that are player versus site can handle voids.

[main solar]

No news or updates because there's not going to be anything to come back with. It's just an appeasing response until it dies down. There has to be no noticeable difference in play and money coming in to pick 6, because with what everyone is writing and reviewing and not one thing changed about it, it's not hurting hard enough or at all or it would have changed by now

[lilac stream]

Hopefully more people are aware for this nfl weekend and they see a hit in handle

Agree that if handle is the same, and they can just take advantage and go collect more rake%, why wouldn’t they

Regular DFS is 17% Rake. Pick6 should get rid of min payouts, charge 17% rake, structure results to show up as a leaderboard so it’s clear how many people are in the running for getting 6/6 etc and then everyone understands what they’re playing and can have a fair hold .

[mortal moat]

Now they’re trying to bribe people to pick unders because they’re paying too many minimums when all the overs hit

[mortal moat]

I’d take this in a heartbeat. Feel like dynamic lines really negated the need for minimums for the most part

[past jackal]

The fact that we cant even see how many others got their pickset correct is frustrating. Why not show this info like in previous iterations?

I can live with not seeing the payout multiplier if you lost, but there is zero point to not see how many other people got their pickset correct if you went 3/3, 4/4, etc

[deft aspen]

3picks are the worst. 4x is criminal. UD gives 6x!

[lilac stream]

Or just put the rake back to 23% and leave all the other updates as is , and everyone will be happy enough

[long walrus]

I don’t think people realize how bad the hold is. They legit don’t care what you pick. They will make money with this absurd 40% take on every pick set - no matter what people pick

[mortal moat]

But they’ll make more if they can pocket the full 40% and not have to use it to subsidize the minimums

If they didn’t care what we picked they wouldn’t have dynamic lines and special rules for pga and batter vs pitcher restrictions

[sleek field]

Wasn’t aware that only three receivers and tight ends total were playing today

[long walrus]

Over the long run, if the lines are accurate which they are with dynamic pricing as you said - the over/under correct % will balance out.

[fickle sparrow]

It’s cuz there’s usually an edge on one side or the other for receptions props and they want to pay out as little bonus as possible to collect that 40% rake

[past jackal]

Wooo accidentally submitted more on a pick set than I normally do because we don’t have a confirmation page to confirm our pickset/wager amount

Great change!!!!

[shut beacon]

I noticed the same thing. It moves so fast and there is no confirmation page

[past jackal]

Yeah I could’ve sworn that I didn’t click submit but it prompted me to the “picks submitted” page

Customer service gave me credits after some bickering so they handled it well. Still think it’s a ridiculous change to make.

Asked for the reasoning behind the change and the agent said it was “to make it a smoother process for users to submit picks”

[mortal moat]

Yesterday I saw a line change as I clicked submit and it of course gave me the worse number

[dense perch]

Not holding my breath but when will we know whether NFL pays out more than the minimum tonight? Not until the payment actually goes through?

[lusty hill]

Yes

[waxen stratus]

6 legs and 3 legs are mins

[dense perch]

Sad. Both QBs and WR1s go under but we can't even get above a min payout. Will have to wait to check the CSVs but in the good 'ol days I bet this would've been like 40x on a 6-leg

[waxen stratus]

yup very sad I hit $50 to 1k and am disappointed, I think I’m done with pick6

[mortal moat]

Can’t believe nfl is all minimums tonight

[mortal moat]

Dk also bribed people to pick less today too so that doesn’t help

[dense perch]

Yeah saw that just now. Brutal. Wouldn't have played if I saw that earlier

40% rake and they are bribing folks to even out the picks on both sides in order to maximize the likelihood they get a full 40%. Insane times

Shoutout to everyone who has left bad app store reviews and removed the app from their phone. I just left a 1* review and will likely be joining you in removing the app soon enough

[mortal moat]

A day when all the stars don’t go over in a showdown used to be massive payouts

[sleek field]

The whole product is a joke now

[mortal moat]

I’m sick of my picks changing while in my slip before I submit without it notifying me

[sleek field]

Amen!

They won’t do anything about it but you better bet your bottom dollar they’ll “hear you and communicate with the team”

[mortal moat]

One the other day I literally watched tick down as I clicked submit

Might have even been slightly after but at the very least simultaneously

[deft aspen]

Another NBA night another weak payout

[sleek field]

It blows

[sleek field]

New batch of reviews just dropped!

[valid coyote]

The ceiljng payout Seems too low now with the minimum payout being higher . Nit sure if we can still hit a pick 5 and somehow get paid over 50 to 1 since we're play in ng agisnt others. I hut a pick 5 on PGA golf and it paid 134 it was sweet but I'm thinking those days r over. Overall Pick 6 is kinda confusing other then the oicksxand stuff . App doesn't give a whole lot of info unfortunately . Also pick 6 sort of has. A bad rep in the dfs world because of less pay I it's and not much stats offered . Overall it's okay but I am very disappointed since it changed recently m

[main solar]

Hard to argue with the stats.... I'm sure the team is reading this because it's getting passed on and going "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to do... We have no need to comment!"

[lilac swallow]

Please fix this

This was a golden app no way

[fickle sparrow]

Yea seeing the numbers come out every week makes me even more pissed that I was told “the effective rake will be the same”

Just straight lying is crazy

[long walrus]

Sure the game is doomed and the user base will dwindle continually but the revenue they’ll have over the next few months will be higher!

[jolly arch]

lol 😂 DK lost so much money this weekend you guys really should go back

[waxen stratus]

might just start limiting winners

[past jackal]

But hey, we got min payouts now! That’s what we all wanted as pick6 players right?

😑

[jolly arch]

lol they can’t the top 1% of players make up 50% of all entries

Anyways time to keep taking the minimum amount from them every week and continue to run it up

So they forcibly have to change

[waxen stratus]

if they keep losing money they are gonna have to change one way or another

[limpid ingot]

on any single game slate when all the overs hit, DK will lose for sure but places like PP/UD would lose boatloads more. Evens out over the long run though (in DK's favor obv).

[jolly arch]

UD won’t lose because they have variable payouts

[limpid ingot]

the correlation payout shift?

or something else

[jolly arch]

Yes

[iron hearth]

https://discord.com/channels/846793245790044281/851450569515991101

[jolly arch]

That’s up to them they wouldn’t have lost money with the old pay system

[sleek field]

What a pathetic slate of options tonight

[fickle sparrow]

Everyone hates the update and they lost money that’s actually great 😂

[deft kraken]

Be awesome if a offensive player get hurt they should replace the bet with the player that replaces the hurt player. Just an idea that would never happen

[mellow citrus]

I would've loved to be in the "brainstorming" room when this wild idea was born...

[long walrus]

“Everyone’s unhappy with the product, team. What should we do?”

“What if we add a +”

[lilac stream]

Still no update this week?

[sleek field]

It was fun for them to post this thread and then do absolutely nothing about it

Par for the course

[long walrus]

It accomplished what they wanted! Hide all concerning messages about how terrible the new updates are for the customers in a random thread no one looks at.

[frigid lynx]

I have said it since this thread has been opened, this thread is being monitored and all the feedback shared here is being relayed back to our product team. I understand its very frustrating not hearing any update, but I can promise you that the team is working tirelessly to share an update with all of you and when that is ready, it will be shared. Totally appreciate the patience you guys have shown and we got your backs with this.

[fickle sparrow]

Good news is I think the product is suffering so they prolly gotta do something about it most likely

[deft aspen]

So this thread was useless all along I guess

[frigid lynx]

As I said yesterday toshig, it is not and all the feedback is still being reviewed. An update is being worked on to share with everyone and appreciate the patience there. We hear and see all the feedback and team is working to provide an update. Wish I had one now but when we do, it will be shared.

[waxen stratus]

Can’t wait

[dense perch]

Before everyone gets all excited about the 25x payout minimum on 6-leg, do some quick math and realize your EV if hitting at 50% goes from 45% to 53% 🤮

And requires a 56.2% hit rate for it to be +EV at minimum payout. Still gross

For comparison -110 each way on a prop requires 52.4% to be +EV

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pXAeY2XZzfQo63pHfZq6ULZIVo1sjJDOU_P6Kgtj3UA/edit?usp=sharing

[sleek field]

Yeah I don’t think anyone with a sliver of actual knowledge of how this whole thing works thinks the 25x is “good” in comparison to what it used to be/could be

Nice work

[half nymph]

CBB paying only 2.5x for a Pick2 now ☠️

[deft aspen]

Why 25x only on NBA though? NFL NHL still 20x

[long walrus]

FYI on 6 pick entries. Pick 6 gives out:
25x for 6/6
1.5x for 5/6

underdog gives out
25x for 6/6
2.5x for 5/6
.25x for 4/6

[jolly arch]

What’s the latest it seems like pick6 is having less and less contests, leading to a downfall, are they finally realizing that they should revert changes?

[waxen stratus]

we can only dream

[sleek field]

Was only a matter of time

Parlaye is a new app I found that’s super new but very fun and unique. Straight p2p

Super small and new right now but the promise is outstanding

[shut beacon]

Moderators here have done more for me than DraftKings support. I think support needs to learn more about the discord. We literally couldn’t play in this weekends nba 50 percent booster because DraftKings support didn’t know what it was and it didn’t show up on our pick6 app

[long walrus]

Their argument that they changed it so it’s easier for newer players to learn quickly is so insulting. Just telling their established player base to their face that we care less about you than prospective new players

[sleek field]

Nba is insanely unplayable as it stands

One block line lol. One!

Maybe like 2-4 players from a team event have prop options

Embarrassing slate of selections

Anything with a rolling slate has to go too

[lilac stream]

They’re making it harder on themselves for no reason.
Pick6 was supposed to be a peer to peer game to go along with criticizing UD for their pick’em being unregulated sports betting.
Now they keep making pick6 less peer to peer with higher mins , larger rake, and limiting the options .
So more work for them, heaviest users hate it, smaller contests & less handle, and now they’re basically doing worse unregulated sports betting

[mortal moat]

This product caters to the uninformed that don’t even know how these contests work. They want the guy that complains that a second quarter injury doesn’t void and refund their $5 slip instead of someone entering thousands of dollars every day

They essentially admitted that in their statements. Such low minimums were scaring new users away because they have no clue how the contests work

[lilac stream]

That is definitely their thinking. But then they’re just head to head again UD with worse payouts . Should be like dfs where they want more people enter lot of money because they just get a rake

[sleek field]

Another single slate of nfl another outlandish prop pool.

Well at least prior to them just removing every single prop except dobbins 0.5 TDs, there was four receptions props and no completion props

The fall from grace contjnues

[lilac stream]

No completion props all weekend 😓

[sleek field]

Still only four players 😂

Such a laughing stock

11 receptions props on the Sportsbook, only four on pick 6.

[waxen stratus]

I think they are doing that on purpose

Game lost all its fun, the live prizing was fun and interesting and that’s gone, I never get bonuses anymore extremely sad

[sleek field]

Now this right here is customer service

Try parlaye people I’m telling ya. Actually listen to their base and are strictly focused on a P2P product

Literally DMd me out of the blue a few days ago

[mortal moat]

I’ve seen them interact on Twitter

[sleek field]

It’s a really fun idea. Just needs to grow but sounds like they’re on that.

Simple easy to follow concept

[long walrus]

Downloading now

[tawny pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ffs-baby-really-oh-god-just-stop-gif-20490509

[jolly arch]

Do they take high rollers? If you can ask I place bets 500$+ per bet

[sleek field]

It’s relatively new so the volume isn’t quite there yet.

I’d highly recommend checking it out and reaching out to them with questions/suggestions. they are seemingly brand new so it’ll be a bit before they get things rolling

[mortal moat]

31x worth a push notification now? These used to be 70-120x

[mellow citrus]

31 on a 6/6 with these trash NBA pick options... 😅

[sleek field]

This falloff will be studied by future apps and sites for years to come

Crash course in how not to operate a peer to peer product

[mellow citrus]

It definitely doesnt feel peer to peer anymore.. Draftkings only seleting a tiny amount of 50/50 picks for people to try to win a guaranteed prize is no longer peer to peer competition.

[deft kraken]

PLZ DO

[waxen stratus]

great site to see

[sleek field]

Yep just hoping more people see/realize how bad it’s gotten

[sleek field]

Not sure why people don’t care…it’s as if the cost of gallon of gas doubled overnight and people are just fine with it

[waxen stratus]

I wish I would have recorded contest sizes

To see if there changing

[sleek field]

The contest sizes are down tremendously from what I’ve heard and seen

Especially for bball nhl and ncaa

[long walrus]

People were defending a 25 billion dollar corporation doubling its rake overnight on an already profitable game

[sleek field]

Don’t tell that to the newbs on the “pick6 discussion” channel discussing anything and everything except pick 6

[waxen stratus]

Sadly double rake and half the players is still the same profit

[sleek field]

Yeah but those players they have now aren’t ones that will stick around

[long walrus]

There’s a difference between maximizing profit today and maximizing profit long term.

[sleek field]

Once that becomes apparent I’m expecting more changes

Because all of the veteran and daily players, such as myself, have severely dialed back involvement and entry fees

[waxen stratus]

Wonder when this Q&A comes out

[sleek field]

Sure they might get 100,000 new users but how many of those are depositing more than $10 or $20?

How many will play volume daily?

[sleek field]

It won’t 😂😂😂

[waxen stratus]

I don’t this they realize how encouraging the high payouts were and live prizing

[mortal moat]

I’ve been playing my same process and my return has significantly decreased this month. Small sample of course but even when I do get a bonus I can’t help but think how much more it should have been

[sleek field]

Same, it’s heartbreaking

[long walrus]

They honestly took away the most addicting part of pick6 which is the variable payout

It’s why slot machines are so profitable

[sleek field]

Agreed

[waxen stratus]

but majority of the time there is still bonus right

[sleek field]

I loved the thrill of the live prizing updates and the huge swings depending on a player or two going over or under

[sleek field]

I’d say it’s like 40% bonus

[deft kraken]

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON HERE A WHILE AND KNOW EACH OTHER. SOME IN REAL LIFE. WE STAY POSITIVE AND YES WE GO OFF TOPIC BUT SO WHAT. WE ARE HERE TO HAVE FUN NOT BITHC ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE

[sleek field]

But the “bonuses” are 11x instead of 10x, so not really a bonus

[mortal moat]

Volume players need the shot at a huge payday to make up for a bad run. I find it hard to believe the casual occasional $5 betters are more valuable to please but their data must say otherwise

[sleek field]

Why are you obsessed with me?

For now it does. I doubt that stays the same.

[long walrus]

This whole channel was made to discuss the prizing update. Which we don’t like. So we are discussing it.

[waxen stratus]

I get like 25% all bad only 1 good one

[deft kraken]

WHY ARE YOU STILL IN THIS SERVER? OBSESSED WITH A NEGATIVE PERSON I THINK NOT. YOU DON'T LIKE HOW THINGS ARE DONE HERE LEAVE

[sleek field]

Buddy, you’re out of your depth here.

[mortal moat]

To be fair this is the one channel we’re allowed to complain in

[deft kraken]

AND YOU WON'T FIND JOHN'S HERE, THEY ARE DRIVING AROUND THE GHETTO WAITING FOR YOU TO COME OUTSIDE TO WORK YOUR REAL JOB

PICK6 PRIZING UPDATE/ TALK IN GENERAL CHAT

[sleek field]

Lol I’m a CPA who can type in complete sentences without misspelling words and using all caps

[long walrus]

I’m just going to ignore the all caps man here

[sleek field]

Welcome to the party.

[frigid lynx]

guys please keep things respectful in here.

[waxen stratus]

check dms

[deft kraken]

CPA, C U M PLEASING A NAL

[mortal moat]

🤦‍♂️

[waxen stratus]

Any update on Q&A

[long walrus]

Please keep things respectful, all caps man.

[frigid lynx]

none to share right now but for now, please share any questions you want asked in the form.

[sleek field]

Don’t have anything from you from what I can see

[deft kraken]

SHE JUST TRASHING ALL ADMINS AND EVERYTHING AND EVERYWAY YOU DO THINGS BUT WONT LEAVE OR GET WITH PROGRAM

[frigid lynx]

https://dyno.gg/form/d6ea6ed8 @waxen stratus form here

[waxen stratus]

yes when is it coming out

[waxen stratus]

Check requests

[frigid lynx]

I mentioned above I don't have a date for the q&a at the moment. When we do it will be shared.

we are also giving time for you guys and others to ask questions in it that arent already mentioned in this thread.

[long walrus]

Thanks Mr aggy, we know you’re just doing your best as a liaison

[mortal moat]

It’s such a new product that the devs and other employees don’t have any experience playing it for themselves. Same issue with reignmakers and why there was always a disconnect on certain things

[waxen stratus]

Ok sorry missed the first response, sounds good

[frigid lynx]

great! 🤝

[frigid lynx]

appreciate you ❤️

[long walrus]

I tend to think management just pushed the prerogative of maximizing profit on every slate without dedicating a large team to the game - basically bleed it dry while we still can

[deft kraken]

THEN GO TO GENERAL CHAT OR IDEA HUB AND TYPE ALL THIS

[long walrus]

Because we listened to our nice mods, and they told us to do it here. Thank you for helping me clarify.

[mortal moat]

Why you forward my message to multiple channels

[deft kraken]

IM SURE YOU CAN MAKING THOSE CRAIGSLIST ADD EVERYDAY

[sleek field]

He’s either geriatric or a toddler

[deft kraken]

SO ADMIN CAN SEE ALL THE SHEET TALKING GOING ON WHEN YOU CAN JUST LEAVE SINCE YOU ALL DON'T LIKE IT HERE AND JUST WANNA COMPLAIN

[glass zephyr]

Hey guys, just a gentle reminder there that sharing feedback is okay even if it's critical, let's just make sure we're doing it in a way that's constructive and respectful towards each other please 😄

[mortal moat]

Of course

[sleek field]

https://tenor.com/view/aye-aye-captain-gif-22135481

[tawny pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/ernie-sesame-street-smh-shaking-my-head-dismay-gif-18210872

[mortal moat]

Can we help you?

[jolly arch]

I’ve got 300k+ played in pick6 me and a few others aren’t playing anymore other than NFL or NBA 2 mans on mistake lines

[fickle sparrow]

Yea I’d be concerned if I were DK because they may be gaining some new customers but a lot of the real whales have been scared off by this change

[fickle sparrow]

400k + and Im in the same boat

And I know others are doing the same

[fickle sparrow]

Lmao

I’m on here because I’ve put a lot of money and time into this product and really have enjoyed it in the past. Now it’s going in a direction I don’t like and want to let my voice be heard, respectfully. Not trying to be super negative just want to get a point across

[deft kraken]

Totally understand, I am new here and do see a few things that they need help with but instead of gripping about it. Help out.

[frigid lynx]

And we very much appreciate it and welcome it as we've said many many times in this thread. We appreciate all the voices here and the constructive feedback shared. Keep doing so as we are relaying the feedback and keeping all of you guys front and center for the feedback. Really appreciate you and everyone for sharing it ❤️

[deft kraken]

Anyone that I have asked for help has either helped or told me whom to talk to. This is a great group as far as I can see.

[deft kraken]

Let me ask you this if you are that tired and can't put up with it anymore why not find another group / server?

[frigid lynx]

stoln it is alright for james and anyone to share their feedback. they want to see change and evolution with pick6 and we welcome that. as long as all the feedback is constructive and is not attacking other members/team it is okay to share the feedback if change wants to be seen. ❤️

[deft kraken]

Of course its just a question as to why not move along

[frigid lynx]

gotcha 🤝

[deft kraken]

Or do what I'm trying. Asking what all I can do to help

[fickle sparrow]

If it were any other site that I cared about less I would just stop playing on the site and be like whatever. However I’ve ploughed 400k volume into this site and have been playing literally since the day the game came out in California. These changes have made it so that I feel like I can’t play at the volume I want to any longer, so I’m being vocally against it. It’s because I care about the product, not because I want to complain or spread hate or negativity.

[frigid lynx]

exactly, and we welcome all the feedback james appreciate you ❤️ as I said in my above message keep sharing the feedback its being seen and heard.

[fickle sparrow]

Appreciate you bro. I know being the mod in this is probably difficult and I think you’re doing a good job given the circumstances

[jolly arch]

This I am in the same boat with him and it’s hard to watch, I’ve got a VIP with DK and get bonuses and truly I don’t want to switch from a product I’ve liked, we know it’s not aggy whose fault it is, it’s always been upper management.

[sleek field]

Amen @jolly arch @fickle sparrow I’m in the same boat as well

[lilac stream]

Agreed

[fickle sparrow]

Doesn’t help that when you go to place a pick it will change the line without notifying you

Really shady actually every other app will make you confirm that you see the change

[jolly arch]

That has been broken I brought it up to my VIP

[fickle sparrow]

It used to work why is it broken now lol

I remember u had to confirm b4 the update

Sus

[mortal moat]

Yea it doesn’t always ask you to accept a change. Sometimes it just changes and doesn’t even turn yellow. I’ve discussed with my rep as well

[fickle sparrow]

I let my rep know too

[long walrus]

30% promo boost for a 7 leg pick 6 parlay

Can’t help but laugh

[sleek field]

This nfl slate is a joke

One huge cluster of a contest

Min pays all over the place happy thanksgiving!

[fickle sparrow]

Gobble gobble 🦃🦃

[sleek field]

UPDATE STILL F***ING BLOWS

JUST AN FYI

[mellow citrus]

^is that accurate or just a cherry picked stat with the changing slate options? Also wonder how much of it is because of player performances at this point in the season being either too volatile or too predictable to be options? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they’re doing everything in our best interest but not too sure they’re actively trying to kill their own product…

[lilac stream]

Both are 7 game 1pm slates so it is apples to apples. Also if this was still a peer to peer dfs game like it’s supposed to be and not ‘bad pick’em”, then volatility or predictability or unevenness of odds wouldn’t matter

[rotund coral]

I agree if it was peer to peer odds wouldn’t even matter

[mellow citrus]

I agree with that, it’s not p2p anymore. I think the problem with p2p in this format with a huge range of options is it would absolutely kill all low pick groups. DK would just end up collecting their rake and whales would have easier locks in low pick groups to guarantee wins and then they’d be fighting over pennies of a pool…. So if you truly did open the choices and odds don’t matter type pick choices, how would you keep your average joe betters? Who would be benefiting?

[lilac stream]

Increasing rake by 10% definitely not helping average better. Original pick6 with static lines seemed most fair because everyone had same options . Also not saying to include things that equal to -1000 but for example there’s barely reception anymore because some of them are like -150😱 on the sportsbooks . It should be just like regular dfs where there are chalkier options and some are worth it and some aren’t in a tournament like payout structure

[rotund coral]

Pros and cons to both sides.
That’s why I like DKs you can pick anybody. I guess that’s what I’d like to see here but I see your point as well playing to win pennies isn’t worth it either

[lilac stream]

Would guess they’re not trying to kill their own product , but if they were, I don’t know what different steps they would take than what they’re doing (higher rake, less options, largest users complaining nonstop )

[mellow citrus]

I try to think of ways that they can increase options to make "easier" picks to have less benefits etc but this format is pretty difficult to appease everyone. Its either open up to even -150's so everyone gets to enjoy a broader pick group, and then watch die hard gamblers fill pools so that youre just hoping that their locks have a bad week and you get their coin.. Or you keep the picks as close to being 50/50 odds and you're betting against DK to get your guaranteed prize and if youre lucky you'll get a piece of the pool because others didn't do well. It definitely would need a lot of work to have anything other than those two options. Clearly DK believe the first option would ruin their product (as do I unfortunately), so increasing the rake to help pay the guaranteed mins while keeping a high enough budget to attract new players is the way to go. New players coming in will be the only way this product does well. The guy betting $600 on a 3/3 is not what DK wants.

[sleek field]

According to pick 6 the saints and rams are playing a game today with no players

[fickle sparrow]

Yea the decrease in options is really disappointing as well

[long walrus]

All the evidence would point me to them just slowly ending this game, but they still advertise it like crazy

[woven flax]

I mean they made $1 mil on thanksgiving so I don’t think so

[woven flax]

Pick6 got there full rake yesterday on NFL night

[sleek field]

What an embarrassing selection of props for tonight’s nfl game.

Is anything going to be done about this?

[tepid vessel]

Golf only 3x for a 3 pick entry? I don't remember getting less than 5x playing before

[mortal moat]

What do you mean? 3 pick always been 3x. Other sports it moved up to 4x. Or are you saying you’re not used to getting the minimum

[tepid vessel]

Idk maybe I just had never gotten below 5x, either way they should up the multiplier to match other sports

[mortal moat]

Go look at 4-6 for golf lol it’s far and away the lowest minimums

NBA 6/6 25x
PGA 6/6 10x

[tepid vessel]

Yeah saw a 10x for 6 picks. Golf is hard 6 is craxy

[mortal moat]

Doesn’t look like your payout is finalized. Maybe still a chance at bonus

[valid coyote]

The new Pick 6 format and payout are.both absolutely ridiculous.. I use many dfs and books and this is turning into one that I might have to cross off my list.. fanduel and their.bs always been off my list by the way . why would I play 3 picks that only pay 4 to 5x when I can get them pay for around plus 600 to 700 on offshore book. ? Plus dk not having manylines available anymore makes it difficult to put some slips together. DK you guys used to be the king and I want you to keep being the king so please get it together. Maybe stop worrying about recruiting youngsters that deposot $10 and have No clue and only take overs . Please take care of the vets . Thanks DK

[woven flax]

they don’t care, nothing is going to change

[long walrus]

They’re just waiting out the complaints

Tough to continue to use Draftkings when it feels like every change they made is a negative for the customer

[woven flax]

The reviews on the App Store speak for themselves

time should be spent on promo clarity and fixing void policy instead of ruining the fun part of the game in high payouts

Q&A was made up too

[jolly arch]

Did they ever end up doing it?

[sleek field]

Still no completion props

What a scam

[woven flax]

no

[sleek field]

It’s dam. Near impossible to make any sort of slip this is infuriating

Plays constantly being removed

[fickle sparrow]

This would be a great Christmas present to pick6 players 🎅

[long walrus]

I have my hesitations that Draftkings employees care enough to put that much time into it

[sleek field]

All of the crappy things about available prop selections really come to light on single game slates I tell ya

One prop for rebounds in nba tonight, ONE! 2 for assists. Not even a player from the raptors has an assist line

1 three pointer prop, one block prop, one turnover prop

[mortal moat]

They heard you and added some

[sleek field]

😂 love it

Maybe they’ll do it prior to 20 min before tip off sometime

[shut beacon]

Pick6 made a ton of rake and more today . These 3 plus pick promos are the worst . They are updating and removing lines so fast now . Lots of losers tonight .

[silent locust]

It would be great so do something about voiding players that get hurt within first half of the game

Everyone that won got a good bonus tonight though

I hit a 24x on a four leg

[long walrus]

Draftkings woke up one day as a 20 billion dollar company and said “hey we actually don’t make enough money off of you”, lied and said the rake would be basically similar and there are still people in here that’ll defend them

[fickle sparrow]

The bonus really means draftkings won lol cuz they collect full 40% rake, and indicates that most of the field lost

Under the old rules the bonus would’ve been significantly higher on a night like last night

[mortal moat]

Yea Everytime I get a bonus I can’t help but think how much it would have been under the old system

[woven flax]

pick6 is now a losing game, players will lose all their money over time

[fickle sparrow]

I agree and I think people will eventually realize this and migrate away from the platform. Rake is too high for a chance at profitability especially for NBA

[woven flax]

hopefully, but realistically they may not

[fickle sparrow]

Intially they might be able to weather the storm with promos and brand name, but eventually even the casual bettor will look at pick6 and see they’re getting worse odds than PrizePicks, underdog and will migrate away

Or they will have to spent a lot in marketing and promotions to substain the turn wheel of customers

Maybe I’m wrong and everyone comes flocking to get a 3 pick parlay at the worst odds in the industry who knows

Maybe the industry is less price sensitive than I’m imagining or the increased rake collection makes up for any loss of sharps/ whales that they had in this move

[long walrus]

The Q&A with the team was announced on 11/22 to happen “within the next couple days”

[silent locust]

@fickle sparrow as long as I’m hitting a getting like 15-28x on 4 leg 5$ bets

Got 28x last night no other site pays that but I do wish they’d go back before the last update

[fickle sparrow]

Yea the reason why pick6 is appealing is this I agree with you and these bonuses paid out more the last update 100% agree

[spare sundial]

Man, I just got a 6/6 on $10 which is $250. Then my bonus is added on for the 6/6 and it’s $25. WTH

I got a 5/6 and got my $10 back on another but was added a $4 in bonus. That’s 40% for only getting 5/6

40% on the $250 would be at least $115 or so. Not 25

Yesterday someone turned a 6/6 ($375) into $2580 and they send that email out to everyone and today a 6/6 bonus is good for like 0.5%?

[mortal moat]

Yea bonuses sucked today. Just means too many of the popular picks were correct so more people sharing the pot

Also DK takes 40% off the top

[shut beacon]

Something else, I really miss using promos on 2 picks. We need to do 3+ picks for every promo including the discord promo now.

[woven flax]

Nothing has changed, why do we even provide feedback

[fickle sparrow]

Entertainment value

[daring hamlet]

Promos 🔥🔥🔥

[long walrus]

They wanted to make it seem like we’re being heard so we didn’t get as mad with the hopes that we’d eventually give up. It seems to have worked

[long walrus]

Are we going on over a month see they said we’d be getting a Q&A with the team?

[jolly arch]

<@&1006977846348087366> this is ridiculous we haven’t gotten any updates at all at this point the app is on it’s last leg

[wooden chasm]

Fix the injury rules

Like my ticket would win if ad woudl be voided he played 7 min 7 damn min

Prize picks would never

Y’all need to fix it this is the ONLY app that dose not void players who get hurt in the first half n don’t return the second

[placid ermine]

This app makes scam picks look legit lmao. Atleast their 3 pick entry pays out 5x lmao

[mortal moat]

Please don’t ever void injuries or ejections. Do not let people that don’t understand the game make the rules

Unless you want to take it straight from your already existing rake

[placid ermine]

Oh my God someone disagrees with me. LMFAOOO FOH

[mortal moat]

You can’t complain about payouts and also complain about injuries. If they void injuries payouts will get even worse. Go play prize picks or learn how to pick an under

[deep verge]

A player going into a game as questionable…then get injured in the first quarter….and the pick doesn’t get voided?!

[mortal moat]

Why would it

[deep verge]

Because dam-near every other competitor app void those picks. I’ve been doing this for about….13 years now…and never heard of such thing Mr. Jack.

[mortal moat]

You’re not betting against the house here. Not apples to apples

[deep verge]

You’re missing the point Mr. Jack.

[deep verge]

But that was expected based on your response to my question. Good night Mr. Jack.

[mortal moat]

If they start voiding first half injuries minimum payouts will go even lower. Or rake will increase. Knowing dk probably both.

They’ve already neutered our upside enough with all their changes

[civic elbow]

Why would you bet a Q player for their over anyway….especially one that is legit questionable. Sounds like a personal problem

[civic elbow]

Actually he is not. PrizePicks does it because anyone who hits a standard LU gets paid a flat rate. While that happens frequently in Pick6, the ability to make standard line picks and earn a bonus is a thing with Pick6. Tonight in NBA people who hit 6/6 got double the expected payout. Basically, PrizePicks keeps a massive amount of cash when chalk fails. In Pick6, the money from those losing LUs goes to those that hit.

[deep verge]

Who’s talking about prize picks?

[civic elbow]

Insert any name there. Difference between true P2P and implied P2P

Not you per se, but so many people play Pick6 assuming certain players will be “rebooted” or “voided” or some version of that. The rules are explicit and clear about what happens if someone does not play at all, and they are also clear that anyone who plays even one play is considered as playing. It really isn’t DKs fault if people play expecting a redo because someone gets hurt or only plays a minimal amount.

[deep verge]

Literally every other app voided the AD pick!!

Dude ain’t even make it past the 1st QUARTER!!!

[civic elbow]

Sure, but they are not actual P2P or parimutuel. True P2P and parimutuel spreads the pot among all winners….they don’t give people a redo because something did not work out.

[deep verge]

Sleepers, PP, UD, Dabble, Boom….all voided AD

[civic elbow]

No one is arguing that lots of sites offer some type of void or reboot. But the sheer nature of Pick6 and the type of bets they encompass mean no redos.

[deep verge]

Smh..if that’s the case, they should allow us to edit our slip up until start time.

[civic elbow]

That was nice, I agree. But just like any other parimutuel bet, once bet it is locked. I am surprised they let line edits last as long as they did. Again, I am not arguing that line edits are nice, but that isn’t an option if they are going to comply with true P2P/parimutuel betting rules. I got burned a few days ago because I took that loser LaMelo early, and he was announced out minutes later (6 hours before game time). Yes, it sucks. But I knew it going into it and I played the odds

I hate the rake on P6. But I have learned how to use the refined rules to my advantage. Yes, many of them are rough, but if you put some time into it you can actually play them to your advantage

They aren’t going to change their new rules, so take advantage of them. Play unders on Q players, especially those that are legit unlikely to play their normal amount of plays/time

I know that means nothing for bets lost today, but I promise you if you start playing those with the no-void policy in mind you will likely end up ahead

[deep verge]

Yea..being that they aren’t operating like other competitors…nor voiding picks that are ineligible long before start time…at the very least, for customers satisfaction, allow us to edit our slip…something has to change … I’ve rooted for DK for a very long time..but it’s hard to even take DK side these days with these crucial rules they obey by.

[deep verge]

Wow! You are a genius!! Wow 🤯

[civic elbow]

I think you will find most of us long timers agree with you 100%. We can take advantage of the current rules by playing contrarian and using unders. You obviously have been doing this enough to get it….the sheer number of people that don’t get it are our new advantage

[deep verge]

I’m not even exaggerating!!

[civic elbow]

Lol.

I hate that I can’t play P6 for another 2 weeks. The month we spend in NY for the holidays forces me to the SB, which I used to love until I realized P6 was more advantageous (rake aside)

[deep verge]

I like the way you think sir 😈

The stats that says expert win significantly more then newbies and average players makes alot of sense when you think about it that way

[civic elbow]

I also use the other sites, so I am in tune with the different stuff. I would be interested to hear other user experiences because at least for me I have found the lines on P6 (if they are not identical) tend to be more favorable on P6 vs PP. When lines differ, where do you see the better lines?

[deep verge]

Oh boy…then you are missing out

Is have a app that tells me the lines for every other app

[civic elbow]

ADHD….i struggle to focus on more than FD, PP and DK

[civic elbow]

I keep meaning to look at that….squirrels are a real issue….lol

[placid ermine]

Imagine arguing with a foo called bartender jack 🤣🤣🤣🤣 foh. Out here Dick riding

[mortal moat]

Can you explain?

That last sentence

[long walrus]

Was going to use the soccer promo until I realize how atrocious the payouts are

[fickle sparrow]

This idea doesn’t work with the way pick6 is currently structured

[fickle sparrow]

100% correct

[fickle sparrow]

And if they change the rules to accommodate this it will very very likely be a net negative to all players in the form of higher rake

They’ve already made the game worse so many times lol don’t need it to happen more

[long walrus]

Looking forward to the Q&A.

[fickle sparrow]

Insane

[lilac swallow]

Robbery

[sleek field]

Good to see y’all been doing the lords work in my absence

Might i suggest every one go out and vote this review from 12/20 as “helpful” so it is the first one to pop up when you look at pick 6 reviews in the app

[civic elbow]

They are clouding the convo by tossing out free credits. It also doesn’t help that all these new people are coming in spamming for reboots. They are essentially making the argument that the new format is great and they want it to just be PrizePicks. I may not necessarily feel as you do about the app, but I certainly don’t want it to get worse. So I am now trying to educate people from the play side and why doing crap like reboots will only make it even worse

It’s a hard battle for the smart bettor to argue why things need to be changed when there is a constant influx of people happily throwing more money into the rake pool.

[sleek field]

Yeah the reboot or void injury ppl are the worst (and dumbest)

Whenever started that Trend should have been taken out back and given the old yeller treatment

[civic elbow]

Without a doubt. I had a convo with someone a few days ago about why it sucked and it turned on a light for him. I don’t have the time or energy to do that with everyone, but maybe that message can start spreading

[placid ermine]

No one advocated for that, stop putting words in our mouth. We are simply suggesting the idea for the slip to be paid out as if the player hadn’t played. If the other player hits, you get paid your entry fee instead of losing it all. I’ve already took out all my money out of this app either ways, good luck to whoever keeps on using this scammer of an app lmao. 3 players 4x payout? Never have I ever seen that anywhere else lmao. 2 man on soccer, to win .5? you must be stupid if you ever bet money on this app with that payout

[civic elbow]

Cool story bro

[mortal moat]

Good riddance

[placid ermine]

Cry more 🤣🤣🤣

[sleek field]

You are an imbecile

[placid ermine]

Like I said, CRY MORE 😂😂😂 bich ahh nga

[sleek field]

It’s so funny how you can pinpoint exactly who the low iq people are in this chat.

[placid ermine]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh my God. My feelings are hurt. A Twitter finger called me a low IQ. Lemme go kms real quick. The guy who reacts to his own comment calls me low IQ. Imagine that💀

[mortal moat]

So dk celebrated increasing minimums hoping we wouldn’t notice they also significantly increased the rake. Now they are lowering minimums again while the higher rake remains the same. Guess I’m done with college football

Nfl probably next

[civic elbow]

Oh sweet. The most rewarding year ever

[past jackal]

Whatever happened to that Q&A we were going to have with one of the p6 team members

That was sent on 11/22 😑

[long walrus]

Any update to the coming days @frigid lynx

[fickle sparrow]

Only 15x for college football now

Not worth it

[jolly arch]

lol 😂 you’d get better odds on sportsbook

[fickle sparrow]

Leaving nba players up after they’ve been ruled as doubtful with a bad injury insurance policy where players get screwed if someone in their card is out is very scammy

And u can’t cancel ur entry either

For example if u have a two pick entry and u place a pick where someone is ruled doubtful then ur drawing dead bc even if the other pick hits u only get ur money back. If ur gonna have a horrible policy at least take those props off the board

[limpid ingot]

Just common DK scummery. Idk how this thing is still surviving at this point.

[rotund coral]

Ok without seeming like I’m twisted and messed up why would you bet on anyone that is questionable or doubtful to begin with. No way I’m throwing even 25 down on that

[fickle sparrow]

I didn’t personally but imagine if ur used to playing any other pickem site where the void policy is different and more favorable. u play it not realizing ur getting finessed

[rotund coral]

That makes sense actually

[jolly arch]

I have no idea why they don’t just revert back to before June update and make life easier

I’m buying puts on DK with my profit from Pick6

[long walrus]

Any update to the update on the Pick6 Q&A @frigid lynx it’s been 6 weeks

[long walrus]

@frigid lynx any update to the Q&A that was announced in November?