#Minimum Increment on Offers by Tier (prevent offer sniping)

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tardy zealot
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Collusion to do something we can currently do at any time? Not a big deal

sage fossil
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this isn't a problem in the direction you're thinking. If there are offers of $110 and $100, you should be free to offer $109.5 and not be required to go to $109.

clear garnet
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Of the solutions to "cball just ripped a serial 1 of the best player" I think 1% required min bid increase is great

tardy zealot
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I will laugh if I see a penny top at 1% increment, because that's a lot of work to be petty about your offer

sage fossil
clear garnet
quick fossil
tardy zealot
quick fossil
tardy zealot
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Unbelievable effort to save 99 cents

onyx vessel
clear garnet
sage fossil
tardy zealot
sage fossil
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I see no reason that you shouldn't be able to penny yourself.

clear garnet
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Mine will be to allow X.69 and set that as the 1% basis

sage fossil
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If someone bids $1000, why should someone be restricted from bidding $999.99

tardy zealot
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They shouldn't

clear garnet
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Yeah free game going down

quick fossil
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Do we allow ties of the highest bid?

sage fossil
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i think rolex was saying it should be a requirement to be 1% below that, and so was trying to show that's unnecessary

tardy zealot
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Whatever the current system is. I don't think they're allowed.

onyx vessel
sage fossil
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no RNG

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please no RNG

quick fossil
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that makes sense

clear garnet
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Yeah you can post any value at or under, 1% up so the race conditions (cball) have stakes.

quick fossil
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although they might just make it so you can select who you want, but that really shouldnt be a common issue with this

tardy zealot
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Weird. I didn't know we could match offers.

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clear garnet
quick fossil
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watch DK make the %10 instead of 1

pallid crane
clear garnet
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I do expect the implementation to ruin stuff, but that is the risk we take when asking for anything.

tardy zealot
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@gleaming shore 1% increment on top offer, but any offer at or below current top offer is allowed. That's the idea with the most traction/agreement.

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I think it would be a better experience. The increments are still quite small, but it doesn't feel like a 1 cent nut punch.

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Examples:

$10 top offer = $10.10 minimum offer for top bid. Meaning you couldn't bid 10.01-10.09. You can still bid 10 or under.

$100 = 1% is $1 increment
$2000 card = $20 increment

$246.41 is top offer. If you want to bid more, it has to be at least $2.47 higher (1% rounded to two decimals). That would be $248.88. But you could still bid $245 since that is under the top offer.

bright cloud
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Until they do this with packs 👀

sage fossil
bright cloud
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Just saying 1% increases on highly liquid packs is different than 1% increases on Leg cards.

Ignore me, not trying to open anymore worms in here

clear garnet
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Yeah this is where hard work pennying will pay off, which is fine I think.

proud tide
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I can't believe this conversation is still going on. Offer what you want. Accept what you want. It's a free market. It's not the same as "sniping" last second on an auction.

red gulch
red gulch
slate torrent
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Just saw this, my thought is I’d game it like auctions as would other offer people

quick fossil
slate torrent
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Or if it changes to $.10 or .25 I’d just do that instead of $0.01. No real difference

quick fossil
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If you want it youll spend 1% more if not you wont

slate torrent
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You’ll just see the bidders bid 1% more instead of .01 more

quick fossil
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That is the whole point

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instead of going back and forth 50 times and increasing the price .55 you would increase it 50%

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so you dont need 50 crap bids

slate torrent
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People will just go wahhh I got outbid by $1 on this $100 in my mind

quick fossil
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you will see the price for the highest bid with 10-20 id guess

slate torrent
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Note - I can’t speak for nfl much. I only really follow ufc at this point

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It could work for other ones if there are that many bidders I guess

quick fossil
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There are always going to be people being like waaah I lost out by a dollar.

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I just dont think there is any downside to making it a more reasonable number than .01 because of the elite+ card perspective

smoky nebula
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hopefully not by too big a margin

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otherwise offer gatekeeping is gonna suck

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just like the auctions where people get great deals because no one wants to pay the minimum step up

tardy zealot
red gulch
quick fossil
red gulch
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Yes it is. Most of them.

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If they weren't trying to low ball, then they would offer higher

quick fossil
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Offers are for getting a deal off of listing. Doesn't mean that you should be offering in .01 increments

red gulch
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If you don't like 1 cent increments, then don't use them. Aggressive increases eliminates most penniers. But everyone wants that low ball deal to get accepted. It's up to the bidder, not dk.

quick fossil
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In my experience I can raise a bid hundreds and i will just get pennied again lol

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lowballers just dont want it because they want to exhaust everyone into even lower balls

stark trench
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I think $1 increments would be enough.

clear garnet
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I would be a little upset at .20 needing to be 1.20 or invalid

tardy zealot
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Hopefully?

clear garnet
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I do not mind 1% on the way up and no extra math after that. And it would make the races feel pretty serious and the stakes grow quickly.

tardy zealot
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I think everyone would enjoy that change. It should be simple to implement also

clear garnet
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I think they do need to give us a "offer min increase" button vs making people math it themselves and have it tell them invalid when they click submit, but that is an implementation detail.

red gulch
clear garnet
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I do like the irony of you only posting this gif haha

tardy zealot
tardy zealot
red gulch
# tardy zealot

Great work, penny them fools. Although not sure what you're going to do with Rome lol

tardy zealot
red gulch
smoky nebula
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Implementation-wise I am concerned about hot items. the system doesn't seem ready to handle high demand items since multiple high offers seems to freeze the system and not allow somoene to click accept..

tardy zealot
red gulch
upper hill
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I say get rid of offers, bring dk jets back to life

red gulch
sage fossil
tardy zealot
red gulch
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Let's talk offer increments 🙈

gleaming shore
# tardy zealot <@1010217700259266711> 1% increment on top offer, but any offer at or below curr...

Okay! This is what I'll bring to the team then:

"1% increment on top offer, but any offer at or below current top offer is allowed. That's the idea with the most traction/agreement.

Examples:

$10 top offer = $10.10 minimum offer for top bid. Meaning you couldn't bid 10.01-10.09. You can still bid 10 or under.

$100 = 1% is $1 increment
$2000 card = $20 increment

$246.41 is top offer. If you want to bid more, it has to be at least $2.47 higher (1% rounded to two decimals). That would be $248.88. But you could still bid $245 since that is under the top offer."

quick fossil
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Finally progress

safe jay
quick fossil
safe jay
quick fossil
clear garnet
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When cball gets to ripping those offers better be ready to handle high volume on different specific items.

stark trench
proper cedar
minor crystal
# gleaming shore Okay! This is what I'll bring to the team then: "1% increment on top offer, but...

Thank you for bringing this to the team🙏 . I bid as much as anyone and recognize some of the X's to be the people who are doing the .01 bidding on higher end items that the original complaints are about. I appreciate Hands having smart counter points to some of the more drastic changes proposed. 1% seems like a safe and positive change that I am all for, but I do agree with gooddudz point about implementing this correctly so that it can handle high demand items getting multiple bids at the same time.

tardy zealot
smoky nebula
gleaming shore
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And by fair I mean what most of y'all agree on, which sounds like the latest proposal is the popular one

red gulch
quasi basin
# gleaming shore And by fair I mean what most of y'all agree on, which sounds like the latest pro...

I typed up a diatribe on different break points. Obviously it's probably near impossible to get an agreement on 10-15 different raises of a min line but it follows close to but a little above and below 1%. Minimum Increment is based on current top offer:

.01 min increment .20-2
.05 min increment 2-5
.10 min increment 5-15
.25 min increment 15-30
.50 min increment 30-60
1 min increment 60-100
2 min increment 100-200
5 min increment 200-400
10 min increment 400-800
20 min increment 800-1500
50 min increment 1500-3000
100 min increment 3000+

hazy sluiceBOT
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krieg2003 has been warned

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quick fossil
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Update?

gleaming shore
red gulch
gleaming shore
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The team is working on something here 😄 I will let you know when it's ready to share 💙

tardy zealot
red gulch
tardy zealot
red gulch
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I like the jseel offer approach. Wish you guys would follow.

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Stop being lowballers.

tardy zealot
red gulch
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Same with elite coffins

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Guess they aren't again good.

tardy zealot
red gulch
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Over 1k is lowball offer for leg coffins?

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Well I mean now it is

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Should be over 1.1k now for serious offers

tardy zealot
red gulch
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I'm helping people pay their rent I guess? Idk

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But no one was trying to offer with me except jseel. I didn't see u there

tardy zealot
red gulch
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Like I've said 10x. Bid more if you want a card. Don't be butthurt when your lowball gets pennied.

That is the life lesson in the end.

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I had zero issues buying RD and coffins this year. Offer system worked great.

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@tardy zealot what are you trying to buy right now? I want to penny you before it's too late.

tardy zealot
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Tired of buying rookies and coffins

gleaming shore
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Community update here! #📢│community-announcements message WE'RE LIVE! @tardy zealot

remote sleet
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Anyone see the downside of this? Because the bots always own the lowest offer | floor.