while I totally get where you are coming from, especially with server side suggestions. but when it comes to card suggestions, locking the mod devs out of being able to interact would likely result in none of those ideas being implemented, as there would be no good way to ask for clarification. Toxisity is def a thing that should be addressed in some way, but I'm not sure if blocking discussion is the right way to go about it.
#make a different channel for server suggestions
vestal bearBOT
when it comes ot the sugestion lopidav made, I think most of the negativity that came at it was out of frustration at the fact that there were multiple different places and channels explaing how to fix the issue and we were still getting dayly ocurences of people asking why rounds was broken. was it fair to take it out on that seggestion? no, but it does make sense why it happened
maybe I missed it? but i didnt see anywhere in your original message saying that the new channle would be just for server sugjestions. only that it would be a more locked down channle.
dragon707slayer ↩️
yup, i did indead miss that lol
I did infact say that it wasnt right
dragon707slayer ↩️
there are very few things that are objectively good.
often times it is just a colective subjective oppinon. and the less people talking about it, the harder it is to notice that fact
of note, I am not arguing against you. mearly pointing this out
if that is truely the case. then the solution is to deal with the toxisity, not to try to hide it
dragon707slayer ↩️
at thins point the staff dont frequent much of anything outside of @Moderator pings lol.
i mean, if there is an issue with toxic mebers, and it is casuing problems, then stricter policies or better enforcemnft of poicyes would be a good thing
dragon707slayer ↩️
what it poppy doing?
Scyye (banned, by co) ↩️
long musk
not being rude, but wouldnt a) making it so people cant respond and b) being confused at downvotes that arent explained conflicting points?
vestal bearBOT
they havent even said anything yet
long musk
not trying to be rude in the slightest, just a bit confused at the conflicting points
vestal bearBOT
I mean... I have been muted in the server before. sometime i diserved it, other times not so much (sometime it could have been avoided if the staff has simply talked with me). but i've tryed to learn from each issue that has come up. we arent above the law just cuz we work on shit.
dragon707slayer ↩️
long musk
okay but then the normal people also wont have a voice no?
vestal bearBOT
I don't like you and how you have interacted with me in the past, but I'm still treating you with as much respect as i can in this conversation. if you want people not to be rude, it is hypocrical for you to do it to others
dragon707slayer ↩️
long musk
okay, as a person who was a part of this server for a long time let me say, that is how it used to work (granted anyone could react) with all suggestions, and well it made the suggestions not as cluttered it also made it hard to tell the actual opinions of a suggestion
vestal bearBOT
no, it is not difrent. dont be rude. plain and simple. it is that easy
dragon707slayer ↩️
doesnt matter what the other party did. If you think they are a problem. be a better person. dont become part of that promblem just cuz they are interacting with you
long musk
i will admit, at many times im probably not the most clear with my points and likely rude, so yeah, sorry @swift bay if i came across as rude that was not my intention
vestal bearBOT
then in that case, your purposed solutions is not a good one
dragon707slayer ↩️
long musk
the main issue with this, in my opinion, is that toxicity is very subjective
vestal bearBOT
I think the root of the issues comes down to how disconected most of the staff have become at this point.
that is also quite true.
CHAOS MODE ENTHUSIAST ᴾᵘᵖᵖʸᶜᵃʳᵈˢ ↩️
long musk
(oh yeah and can i add as the "only" helper that this role is not a moderation role in the slightest, its only purpose is for helping people in #🚧get-help🚧 make their modded rounds work, so please dont treat it as a "higher role" for all intents and purposes i am just a card dev)
the only reason i have this role is because i used to help back when #🚧get-help🚧 didnt exsist and instead all problems were held in a single channel where anyone could respond
vestal bearBOT
out of curiosity, what toxicity happened in your suggestion about the template? to my knowage the only reply was mine pointing out that it appared to be visaible on mobile
long musk
i didnt even respond to that suggestion i think
to be fair i fully support having a pinned card template, it would make things easier, but even then the card template was outdated
vestal bearBOT
ah... so people disliking your idea is "toxic" in your eyes... I think you may be slightly to sensitive when it comes to this kinda thing tbh
long musk
effectively what downvotes mean is a person saying "i dont agree with your idea"
saying one doesnt agree isnt toxic though?
thats just a matter of opinion is it not?
vestal bearBOT
if they arnt being toxic/agressive about it (which a simple reaction isnt), then no
CHAOS MODE ENTHUSIAST ᴾᵘᵖᵖʸᶜᵃʳᵈˢ ↩️
it may be frustrationg to you, but it isnt toxic
dragon707slayer ↩️
long musk
I think the root of the issues comes down to how disconected most of the staff h...
i mostly agree with this, given how inactive 90% of the staff are
i mean @ascyst has also become slightly more active recently
i remember back when @ashen crown was active
old times
i disagree with this, they do have a meaning
vestal bearBOT
see class, what Scyye is doing here is an example of light toxicity
q:
see, now that would be a good suggestion to address the problem at hand
dragon707slayer ↩️
long musk
it doesnt change anyones likelyhood of implementing it for card/mod suggestions, this is true, but that doesnt mean they "lack meaning"
it wasnt meant condescendingly
this is a side tangent anyway, im not having this argument about the 
lmao
dont believe me if you wish, but it wasnt
^?
which suggestion?
are you talking about the "move the template" suggestion?
because that doesnt have any downvotes. . . at all
vestal bearBOT
its imposible to tell at this point cuz someone insists on deleting every single fecking message they send so there is no record of any reaction to them ether
Scyye (banned, by co) ↩️
long musk
again, i didnt respond to that suggestion so can we not call me rude for no reason????
you implied that they were "in here"
vestal bearBOT
you are hella paranoid. I genunily think you might wanna talk to someone. there could be some underlying problematic reason for why you are so paranoid about shit. /gen
dragon707slayer ↩️
you may want to get some help. that is no way to live
dragon707slayer ↩️
I've dealt with paranoia in the past, it can get very out of hand if you arnt carful, and in the moment, you wont really notice
I said that you might be, and you agreed with me. so i responed going off of your agreement
dragon707slayer ↩️
long musk
if you think this person is being a big problem just dm @tidal sandal its one of the few ways to contact actual staff members of this server
this server has banned multiple people for "dms" and "other servers"
including s.amers
not limited to s.ammers mind you
if this person is being as much of a problem as you say they are, just dm @tidal sandal
vestal bearBOT
freindly reminder that not all servers are the same. they have difrent rules and poicies when it comes to difrent things, and handle things in difrent ways. It cant hurt to try
dragon707slayer ↩️
see..... thats a you problem
long musk
for future reference you likely shouldnt delete messages unless you have a good reason to do so
at least imo
safe from what??????
"discord" rarely bans anyone, like, ever
discord servers might ban you from them but thats a per server thing
and how can you be certain they were banned for that?
were they underaged?
that doesnt give me any clear idea how old they were
its easily proven that a message was edited, this is why unban requests exsist
and also audit logs
okay, im going to leave this conversation here, i just have 2 things to add
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you could easily get a person banned for doing that no? if given evidence of them purposfully trying to get people banned
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who the fuck is evil enough to try and false ban someone, i know this is the internet but like, leave the servers with those people now, it will make your life better
lost sierra
you are hella paranoid. I genunily think you might wanna talk to someone. there ...
see a psych, explain this, and ask about SSRIs/SNRIs
vestal bearBOT
when were you gaslighting? /genq
dragon707slayer ↩️
yeah, that
I literaly had you muted when you said that i had no way of knowing what you were doing, and you have been to me
as for the first point. that came out of genuine consern
I cant spell well
but uh, I guess sorry for being worried about it in that moment?
I said that I find you obnoxious
and that i hand reasons, but they were personal
plain tapir
Maybe I said it to another person while you were in the vc, I’ve played with many players so their usernames get scrambled for me.
vestal bearBOT
*had
plain tapir
I’m aware I’m stubborn
vestal bearBOT
oh, you are stubborn as feck. to a fult lol
Anarkey ↩️
I told cats that it wasnt worth trying to convince you that you were wrong about what may or maynot be in my discord setting and the reasons for it
dragon707slayer ↩️
because, that argument was not worth having
the out come of it would change 0 things and improve no one's lives
no, I sent you a screenshot from my web browser. whatever setting you were talking about is one that is likely being A/B tested. I have never had that seting modded client or not
dragon707slayer ↩️
THAT ONE IS VENILLA DISCORD you were saying me having a modded client was the issue
dragon707slayer ↩️
sorry if that comes off as agressive, forgot for as second that emphisis can be read that way
it is not intended to be aggressive
even so, what comes of that argument?
it isnt worth having
it acomplishes nothing
hence me saying "Cats dont engage it isnt worth it"
it wasnt an argument that should have been engaged with
you say that eveyone is to sensitive, but like....... that is exactly what you are doing here.
taking me saying that cats should disenges from a pointless argumen as a personal attack on you
yes, I dont like you, I have you blocked. but no, I dont always make you out to be an aggressor. genuinly have no idea where you got that from
someone wanted to know why i have you muted
Cats is my freind, but regardless of that, I direced my comment at them becuase I dont have them muted, so i actually comunicate with them. I never siad you were the issue.
dragon707slayer ↩️
at any rate, i dont really see this going anywere, and from past expreinced I know these kinds of conversations tend to get woser and more heated the longer they go on. so i'm gonna disengage before one or both of us say something we'll come to regrate
heady heart
honestly, sometimes this server is worse than a cod lobby. you say you want to get rid of toxicity, but devs tend to be the main culprits, yet act all innocent when they're called out
idk what is going on here but calling this server worse than a cod lobby is very sensationalist, and wrong
if you're dealing with toxicity, harassment, etc, then do what you've mentioned before and clip it, then send to modmail or dm me directly
there are going to be relationships that simply don't work out though, and sometimes people just simply don't like each other and that's when you don't play with each other
i'm obviously missing some context due to deleted messages, but i want to comment on this due to personal experience
i lost my best friend due to paranoid personality disorder. it started off very small, covering his tracks all the time and essentially believing that everyone was out to get him, except for me and his mother.
it was not something he was aware of, but it was apparent to others.
i won't dive into details more than that, but i will say it may be worth talking to a counsellor about even if you don't believe it, if that's an option
ok
now, this topic has strayed so far from the suggestion
all of these tickets lately (and honestly for the past few months), are making me consider locking down suggestions
iirc, the old suggestion system allowed tickets to be created, but discussion was locked. might go down that path again if suggestions keep derailing so heavily like this
long musk
if you are refering to the actual cod lobbys, like the old ones, this place is no where near that level of toxicity
long musk
was it really n-word every second bad?
because that is the level of toxicity in old cod lobbies
