Mines game bugging out

[crude herald]

I was playing mines and suddenly my payout became negative how do i fix this?

[tawdry mica]

Welcome to the world of integer limits

Games have a highest number they can reach, usually around 2bil before the compiler reverts it to the negative of the same number

Because of how bits work, you can only store data of 2^(8*bytes)so say a number can store 4 bytes of information (integer function) which is 4.2billion values. Half of those are negative capping it at 2.1bil, anything higher rolls it over to a negative value

They likely used the double function, which has 8bytes, and can store up to 18.4 Quintillion. Half of which is negative so up to 9.2 Quintillion anything over that rolls negative

All games have integer limits. And double is the largest reasonable function one can use

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Tldr; Games can only store a max value of 9.1qi (usually) anything higher goes negative, it isn't a bug rather a computer limitation.

There is a fix which is how idle games get larger numbers, but it requires rather ugly math, and while this score is pretty much only obtainable by save reloading or exploits, it doesn't make much sense to do

[delicate yoke]

I'm well aware of Integer limits. But I can name a multitude of games that have gotten around it. So while technically not a bug, still something the dev should look into.

[tawdry mica]

Yeah essentially the work around boils down to

Is the number greater than 1000?
Yes, then divide it by 1000 and slap a different letter or word at the end of it

Which would work, but requires a very long switch function

And requires them to change how all the games would take money

[delicate yoke]

Yeah, I don't know the programming side of the problem. But as a user and player of the product. A limitation like this does impact how much I want to continue playing the game

And I can imagine others feel the same

[sand gull]

i meannnnnn if you play the game in a way that it was not intended

[tawdry mica]

I'll let James take care of that, he's cooler than me after all

[sand gull]

and then that breaks the gameeeee

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[delicate yoke]

Challange accepted. I will reach integer limit without doing the plinko cheese or any other unintended way of playing the game.

[sand gull]

thats the spirit

[tawdry mica]

If ya needed a 2nd I'd be down for it

[delicate yoke]

also, the OP of this tread. Didnt cheese anything

as far as we know atleast

[tawdry mica]

I'm a math major, I love that kind of |redacted due to filters|

[sand gull]

highly doubt that

to reach that money without cheating is astronomically improbable

[delicate yoke]

They probably did cheese at the start. but atleast I am unaware of a way to cheese minesweeper. So....

[tawdry mica]

Save scumming

[sand gull]

save scumming

[sand gull]

jinx buy me coke

[tawdry mica]

Gotcha, 8ball good?

[sand gull]

https://tenor.com/view/telmo-coca-harina-raquetaso-esnifar-gif-25660568

[mighty zealot]

Are the exploits gonna be fixed?

[delicate yoke]

no

[sand gull]

nope

[tawdry mica]

It'd be a hard fix cause that's how seeds work

[sand gull]

it's just play style

personally i think it takes away the fun if you resort to exploit, but we dont want to dictate how people should play our game

[delicate yoke]

Since the game isnt competative so on so on, no reason to fix exploits like that

[sand gull]

not everyone wants to retry again and again

[tawdry mica]

As a playtester (not of this game) I love my exploits

[sand gull]

if they want to cheat to reach the next stage, that's their chioce

this is not even like competitive game

[delicate yoke]

Ey man, I like the expoints cause the dopamine of seeing that number go ZOOOM

[tawdry mica]

And honestly, seeing the negative number is beautiful

It's an accomplishment

[sand gull]

yeah i totally understand that too

[mighty zealot]

I didn't know exploits existed until earlier. 2 friends and I played, and one of them did the plinko one, so we my other friend and I purposefully lost so that we'd fail the run lol. It takes the fun away imo

[delicate yoke]

But it def doesnt beat the thrill of betting it all on green and getting that sweet 35x

[tawdry mica]

If it takes a way the fun, don't do it

[sand gull]

this, ultimately, we leave it to the players

because in the end, people will still find ways to cheat

and it's just endless cat and mouse game

and our principle is about making casual fun game, and that means let the players play however the heck they want

[delicate yoke]

Imma need all the pro gabmlers I can get. So hell yeah btw

[sand gull]

like, I used to save scum enter the gungeon lol

[tawdry mica]

Wdym, I had 9 Quintillion on day 1 before entering the casino. I would never cheat or exploit a goofy game

[sand gull]

and binding of isaac

[tawdry mica]

If you're free Thursday, I can find the EV of all the games including how items would modify it

I got finals Wednesday I'm free tonight and most of tmrw

[delicate yoke]

Well, If we manage to reach integer limit without any exploits. Will ya'll consider increasing the cap?

[delicate yoke]

Wow, that is the complete opposite of me, I have wed off. And work thrusday. Friday though sunday though

[tawdry mica]

I work Th,Fr,Sat,Sun

[delicate yoke]

lmao

No time between shifts?

[crude herald]

Look at the multiplier on the mines table bro 😭

[delicate yoke]

Well idk how the mines work. I dont play that one. Just thought maybe it was a normal win if you got all 12 without hitting a mine.

[brave bobcat]

I’ll make a mod

[crude herald]

I mean it’s normal if you win 1/5 million odds every day

[crude herald]

Can’t believe this dumb bug report made it into tenstacks most viral video

[tawdry mica]

So did my physics exploit one lol

It was mad cool to see

[cold dock]

and buying bat was mine lol