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outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Hello! Do you have the customer ID that you're trying to get the default for?

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:07 PM

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yep

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I'm using CustomerService.GetAsync(cus_id)

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through debugging and breakpointing I can see that it has indeed fetched the a customer and the correct customer

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however, the InvoiceSettings.DefaultPaymentMethod is null

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(InvoiceSettings.DefaultPaymentMethodId is also null)

outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:12 PM

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What's the customer ID (cus_xxx)?

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:12 PM

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hmm, i'm seeing that a customer object has both
default_source and invoice_settings.default_payment_method

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ID: ||cus_KGNSSmcRwsp7xL||

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:14 PM

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tight elbow hmm, i'm seeing that a customer object has both `default_source` and `invoice_se...

so yeah, this. Which one should I use if I am certain that a user will always have only one card on file?

outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:28 PM

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It really depends on your integration - if you're relying on default_source in other parts of your integration (like with charges) then you should continue to use it. Otherwise, it's better to use invoice_settings.default_payment_method

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:29 PM

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what are the typical use cases of these two?

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i guess it's just me but it's confusing as to imagine what these two methods are for

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like, which one pays for subscriptions? which one pays for one-time products?

outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:34 PM

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default_source is meant for use with our older APIs (sources, charges) and will automatically be used when a Charge is created for the customer. This includes if a subscription is made.

invoice_settings.default_payment_method is meant to be used with our newer APIs (Payment intents, payment methods) and will only be automatically used for Billing payments (subscriptions, invoices)

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Well, I guess my first question to your answer will be why there are two ways to pay for a subscription? Which one will be used?

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You said default_source will be used when a Charge is created for a customer, including when a subscription is made

then, is.dpm (apologies for the shorthand) will be automatically used for billing subscriptions

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Is there something that I'm not getting?

outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Ah, are you asking what takes precedence if both are set?

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:41 PM

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yep

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(sorry for having so many questions haha)

outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:44 PM

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No worries at all (and I know this bit is confusing). So for billing subscriptions this is the order in which things are used: subscription.default_payment_method -> subscription.default_source -> customer.default_payment_method -> customer.default_source

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We talk about this here: https://stripe.com/docs/api/subscriptions/object#subscription_object-default_payment_method

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tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:45 PM

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I'l check that out momentarily!

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so... based on your explanation, I feel like default_source is old stuff?

outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:46 PM

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Yes, default_source is meant for use with our legacy APIs (which we still support, but no longer recommend for new integrations)

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:46 PM

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gotcha! That leads to my next question though

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earlier when I was setting up our test customer, I used the dashboard to setup the payment method (a test card). It populates default_source with the card, not is.dpm

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so... if I were to use the new stuff, how should i set it up? (from both dashboard and through API)

outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Yeah our dashboard sometimes is built on top of our older apis and haven't been updated yet

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:49 PM

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got it. So yeah, I'll have to set it up by manually calling the API (which is fine, since we're doing it anyways)

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I noticed that there is SetupIntent and there's PaymentMethodService I can use?

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I imagine Stripe allows customers to have a default payment method for a particular subscription that's different than is.dpm, which will not happen in our case (i.e. everything will be paid using the same card), so we will only need to set the customer's is.dpm

outer anvil Sep 20, 2021, 6:58 PM

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So if you want to save a card that is intended for use with future payments, that's something you could do with SetupIntents (https://stripe.com/docs/payments/save-and-reuse). Alternatively, you can collet payment information during the subscription flow and save it to your customer after it's been created (https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/elements). It really just depends on your integration. I'd recommend reading both of those docs through

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 6:58 PM

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Got it! thanks

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Well this is weird

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Sorry, but I guess the dashboard will only populate the new card into default_source?

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no matter which way I try

crimson karma Sep 20, 2021, 7:19 PM

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Checking in to this...

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Adding one for myself on the dashboard added it as a PaymentMethod. Where on the dashboard did you add this?

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 7:36 PM

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sorry for the late reply

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Customers/[customer]/Payment Methods/+

crimson karma Sep 20, 2021, 7:38 PM

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Interesting, I used the same thing. Do you have the id for a customer you did that with?

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 7:38 PM

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tight elbow ID: ||cus_KGNSSmcRwsp7xL||

here!

crimson karma Sep 20, 2021, 7:43 PM

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Interesting. I see that yours was added as a Source and mine a PaymentMethod. Still looking in to why that may be

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So you need to be able to attach this card as a PaymentMethod to that specific customer?

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 7:44 PM

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That's what karbi suggested, so I would want to do that yeah

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 7:45 PM

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crimson karma Interesting. I see that yours was added as a Source and mine a PaymentMethod. St...

Did you enter address details and all that (other than card deets?)

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Also, slightly unrelated question but when a user subscribes with a new card, does the card go under the subscription's default payment method or the user's default payment method? (We want the latter to happen)

crimson karma Sep 20, 2021, 7:54 PM

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I did not on the first but can test that in a second. And I will check in to that second question but off of the top of my head I think it is the subscription's default

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But I will have to check

tight elbow Sep 20, 2021, 7:55 PM

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cool!

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Yeah, how would I set that to customer's default?

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Use SetupIntent?

crimson karma Sep 20, 2021, 7:57 PM

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You will be setting the customer's invoice_settings.default_payment_method https://stripe.com/docs/api/customers/update#update_customer-invoice_settings-default_payment_method

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SetupIntent would be the way to collect that info as a PaymentMethod which you can then set invoice_settings.default_payment_method to

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