soumya

[upbeat flax]

If you're using trials, then there will be no initial payment due. So instead of there being a Payment Intent, we generate a Setup Intent

It's on the Subscription creation response, pending_setup_intent: https://stripe.com/docs/api/subscriptions/object#subscription_object-pending_setup_intent

You can expand that and there'll be a client_secret to use

[vague drum]

But will the added payment method will be attached to the further invoice for renewals for the subscription?

[upbeat flax]

Yep!

[vague drum]

so we dont have to pass any params to setup intent specifically right?

[upbeat flax]

No, the flow is largely the same as with a Payment Intent

You're just using a different field: pending_setup_intent.client_secret instead of latest_invoice.payment_intent.client_secret

[vague drum]

but even if we call setup intent to generate client secret key we need to call subcription api with trail period data as well right?

how is this both connected?

[upbeat flax]

You don't create the Setup Intent, it's generated by your Subscription creation call if you set a trial

Try it out, there'll be a pending_setup_intent in the response

[vague drum]

it is null

for me

await stripe.subscriptions.create({
customer: "CUS",
items: [
{ price: "price" }
],
trial_period_days: 5,
payment_settings: {
save_default_payment_method: 'on_subscription',
},
trial_settings: {
end_behavior: {
missing_payment_method: "create_invoice",
},
},
expand: ['latest_invoice.payment_intent'],
}) this is the payload

[upbeat flax]

What's the sub_xxx ID?

[vague drum]

sub_1NdAKbSCfQjwTWJ0YnGh4UVi

[upbeat flax]

Well that's because the cus_OCvVl2tkZW8b5J has a default PM saved so we'll automatically use that for subscription payments

[vague drum]

in this case how do we proceed ?

because we need client secret key for UI to show the payment sheet

payment_settings: {
save_default_payment_method: 'on_subscription', this settiing means make the newly added card as defualt one for subscription right?

[upbeat flax]

You'd use a different Customer object, or unset the invoice_settings[default_payment_method] field

[upbeat flax]

Yes, but it's redundant as the Customer has a default PM set already

[vague drum]

so before we call subscription api we can unset the invoice settings and the newly added card will made as default is that what it means?

[upbeat flax]

If you unset that field, and make the same API request we will generate a pending_setup_intent you can use with the Payment Sheet yes

[vague drum]

how can we unset this filed can u share the relevant doc?

by passing null?

[upbeat flax]

Pass an empty string

[vague drum]

Also one more query if we are passing this payment_settings: {
save_default_payment_method: 'on_subscription', this means the added card from payment sheet shd be the defualt one right? but in dashboard it doesnot reflect

[upbeat flax]

It'd be set as the default on the subscription not the customer

[vague drum]

so the same will be used for renewal right?

[upbeat flax]

Yes, default_payment_method will be set and that takes precedence for recurring payments

[vague drum]

"An invalid request occurred: "You passed an empty string for 'invoice_settings'. We assume empty values are an attempt to unset a parameter; however 'invoice_settings' cannot be unset. You should remove 'invoice_settings' from your request or supply a non-empty value

this error i got

[upbeat flax]

invoice_settings is a hash. You need:

invoice_settings: {
  default_payment_method: ""
}

[vague drum]

i tired with this approach but still client secret is null

sub_1NdAhNSCfQjwTWJ0L1UMo50e

and also withoun sending client secret key i can see the trail plan is active for the customer

with only backend api call the traill plan is active

[upbeat flax]

That's expected for a Subscription with a trial

Checking to see why there is no intent

[vague drum]

pending_setup_intent this is client secret key right?

[upbeat flax]

Bear with me please

[upbeat flax]

cus_O9SYxuk4MwNYvs has a default_source

You need to unset that, otherwise we'll use that (and we won't generated a Setup Intent)

[vague drum]

i hv unset from code

and is this correct?pending_setup_intent this is client secret key right?

i hv got this
pending_setup_intent:
'seti_1NdAl8SCfQjwTWJ02B6DCNtD'

[upbeat flax]

Ok, great!

[vague drum]

but with this how will we create payment sheet?

we need client secret for frontend right

[upbeat flax]

So you need to expand that field in your create call instead of latest_invoice

Then it'll return the full Setup Intent object, including client_secret

[vague drum]

expand: ['latest_invoice.pending_setup_intent'],
?

[upbeat flax]

No: expand: ['pending_setup_intent']

[vague drum]

Okay but am trying this const customer = await stripe.customers.update(
customerId,
{ invoice_settings: {default_payment_method:""} }
); to unset the payment methods which didnot work

then i manualyy deleted all cards of customer

how do we make sure this unset is done from dashboard?

[upbeat flax]

It's the default_source field that needs unsetting

https://stripe.com/docs/api/customers/object#customer_object-default_source

[vague drum]

Okay let me try this

How can we make sure that the newly added card is made as defualt payment menthod because in dashbaord apart from making card as defualt their is no differentiator to make sure it si working

i checked everywhere in invoice or in subscription customer it never says this is the so and so defualt method which will be used

hello?

[grizzled sun]

Hey! Taking over for my colleague. Let me catch up.

For payment method priority I invite you to check this guide:
https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/payment-methods-setting#payment-method-priority

What is the issue you are facing actually after setting the invoice_settings.default_payment_method of the customer

[vague drum]

after unsetiing this is their a way we make sure it is actually unset on dashbaord

is this mean making card defualt for a customer or this is different?

[grizzled sun]

yes I think so, I don't know what is the logic used behind the "default" of the dashboard but if you unset all default payment methods, customer's default source and set only invoice_settings then you should see that payment method in the dashboard

are you observing something different in your case ?

[vague drum]

It is very confusing

Also we are unsetting defualt payment method before calling subscription api and then passing this params const subscribe = await stripe.subscriptions.create({
customer: customerId,
items: [
{ price: priceId }
],
payment_settings: {
save_default_payment_method: "on_subscription"
},
expand: ['latest_invoice.payment_intent'],
}); even after this the paymenthod added with payment sheet is not attached to the customer

When we again call subcribe api we get this error - 'This customer has no attached payment source or default payment method. Please consider adding a default payment method

How is ths works?

we are unsetting priorly and mentioning that newly added card to be the defualt payment method but it doeanot work

Hello?

Is this chat on?

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ANYONE IN THIS CHAT?

[vague drum]

@grizzled sun ?

[grizzled sun]

Hi I'm monitoring your thread

please be mindfull

[vague drum]

Okay

their was no response hence

[grizzled sun]

Do you have a new requestId after setting a default payment methods

[vague drum]

yes

evt_1NdBOtSCfQjwTWJ0HG7g7WKH

this is generated when invoice was paid for trail period

[grizzled sun]

Yes and what is the issue ?

this is an invoice.paid event

[vague drum]

i hv set this in subcription but still it says defulat payment method not set

[grizzled sun]

Could you share the failure request Id ?

[vague drum]

req_sSnTiZU0kBSNfs

[grizzled sun]

that customer cus_OCvVl2tkZW8b5J don't have a default payment method in their invoice settings invoice_settings.default_payment_method

[upbeat flax]

save_default_payment_method: "on_subscription" saves the PM to the Subscription (default_payment_method), it does not set it as default on the Customer

If you want to do that, you need to update the Customer manually

[vague drum]

manually how?

how will we get the payment menthod id added because the webhook doesnot send that

[upbeat flax]

Make an API call to update the Customer object and set invoice_settings.default_payment_method

[upbeat flax]

Which event? It should be in customer.subscription.* events

[vague drum]

will this be generated when we are subscribing with trail periods?

[upbeat flax]

Yes, there will be a customer.subscription.created event

[vague drum]

what is the difference between invoice.paid and customer.subscription.created? both are same

[upbeat flax]

Not the same at all. One is a Invoice object, the other a Subscription object

invoice.paid will theoretically fire every billing cycle, customer.subscription.created only fires on creation (once)

[vague drum]

Okay so we can use customer.subscription.created this to update customers defualt paymenthod method is what ur suggesting?

[upbeat flax]

Well the default_payment_method probably won't be set at the point of creation

[vague drum]

Then how do we manually setup customerd defualt payment method ?

[upbeat flax]

There will likely be a setup_intent.succeeded event. Use that