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neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 1:10 AM

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hello! how can i help?

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 1:11 AM

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hi have u seen the thread

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i want to create a subscription and i couldnt get the invoice id at that stage

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because if i set the billing cycle anchor without proration then the invoice seems to be not generated?

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 1:13 AM

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can you share the subscription id of what you've tried?

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 1:15 AM

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one sec

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sub_1LeqNwLK0bfo5HSbY3zDHBi7

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 1:26 AM

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hrm, so just to make sure i understand the requirements correctly - you want to create a subscription, that charges the full price up front even though the customer starts in the middle of the cycle? and the subscription should charge on the 1 of every month

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 1:30 AM

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yes

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actually preferably the subscription starts immediately and charge for a full price, and then the next cycle will be set to 1st of every month

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 1:33 AM

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try using backdate_start_date :
https://stripe.com/docs/api/subscriptions/create#create_subscription-backdate_start_date
https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/backdating?dashboard-or-api=api#backdating-billing-cycle

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for example, if the customer starts the subscription today, set the backdate_start_date to 1 sep, and the billing_cycle_anchor to 1 oct

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it'll generate an invoice for the full month

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 1:35 AM

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interesting, aight lemme try

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thanks

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so i should set ProrationBehavior.CREATE_PRORATIONS or NONE for this case when creating a subscription?

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 1:37 AM

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leave it as the default which is create_prorations

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out of curiosity, does backdate_start_date work for your use case?

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 1:51 AM

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yeah it worked

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but how do i do the same for subscriptionitem?

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lets say a customer has an existing ongoing subscription and would like to increase the amount of subscriptionitems now

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 1:56 AM

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so you want to charge the full price even if the customer increases the quantity on the 29 of the month?

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 1:56 AM

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yes

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 1:56 AM

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there's no easy way to do it for a change in an existing subscription.~~ The only way i can think of is to update the subscription with proration set to none. Then create a separate Invoice to charge for the quantity change immediately~~

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hrm, actually it should be the other way round

create a separate invoice to charge for the quantity change
if payment is successful, update the subscription to increase quantity

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 2:00 AM

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ok, understood. thanks

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when creating a separate invoice do u suggest using the same priceid/ product and set the subscription end date to the next billing cycle or create a new one off product and use that instead?

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 2:10 AM

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you can't use the same Price as the Subscription - you should create a one-time Price . You can use the same Product if you want though.

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i don't get the bit about updating the Subscription - set the subscription end date to the next billing cycle or create a new one off product and use that instead. Why do you want to do that?

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 2:11 AM

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create a new subscription for only 1 month, so that i can reuse the priceid

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at the same time update the subscriptionitems in the old subscription so that the amount of subscriptionitems reflects in the next billing

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 2:17 AM

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i personally wouldn't do that, but it's up to you. A Subscription is essentially a recurring payment. It doesn't quite make sense to me to create a Subscription for what is essentially a one-time payment. But theoretically it would work.

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hmmm, looking at it from another angle, i guess it would work also, your customers are theoretically subscribing for X more quantity of that Price.

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you would probably want to use Subscription Schedules to update the quantity of the main subscription on the start of the next billing cycle

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 2:31 AM

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ok letme take a look

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 3:00 AM

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so with this subscription schedule i dont need to create a separate invoice for changes on subscriptionitems is that right?

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 3:05 AM

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if you're planning to create a subscription for the number of additional items, then update the main subscription to include the additional items on the new billing cycle. Then no, you don't need to create a separate invoice for changes on subscription items.

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i'd suggest you test it out to see what happens

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 3:12 AM

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ok gotta try out this schedule thing

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 4:56 AM

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apparently i cannot set phase if i setFromSubscription? then how should i updaate the existing subscription with this?

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 4:58 AM

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you need to do two separate requests

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like you mentioned, you cannot set the phase at the same time you create a SubscriptionSchedule from an existing subscription

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 4:59 AM

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neat egret you need to do two separate requests

i dont get this part, 2 separate requests meaning?

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what request?

neat egret Sep 6, 2022, 4:59 AM

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request 1 : create Subscription Schedule from existing Subscription
request 2 : update phases for Subscription Schedule from request 1

rich gull Sep 6, 2022, 5:00 AM

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hmmm okay

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i think this schedule api is not suitable for my use case and im better off using invoice + update subscriptionitem

narrow jasper Sep 6, 2022, 5:38 AM

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Hi @rich gull I'm taking over, let me know if you have a follow-up question

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