Attachment rolling for gold chips | Girls' Frontline 2: Exilium Official | Page 1

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 4:52 AM

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Hey everyone, this is a post to discuss the optimal % to aim for before using your gold chips.

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The odds for each % stat is weighted heavily towards average stat rolls, you can find each chance here:

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I created a simulator to roll 1m tries with these percentages to see on avg how many tries it would take to get to some stat breakpoints. You can try it out here: https://colab.research.google.com/drive/11G6t0H3UMILEE26mEkgpP4Vi8AKy4blh?usp=sharing

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A quick summary of results (this is not exact numbers)

+-----------+-----------------+
| Roll Avgs | Avg # of Rolls  |
+-----------+--------+--------+
|           | 3 Line | 4 Line |
+-----------+--------+--------+
| 140%+     |   15x  |   30x  |
+-----------+--------+--------+
| 150%+     |   30x  |   67x  |
+-----------+--------+--------+
| 160%+     |   72x  |  207x  |
+-----------+--------+--------+
| 170%      |  215x  |  900x  |
+-----------+--------+--------+

This considers all rolls must be at least 100%

balmy summit Mar 17, 2025, 8:18 AM

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related discussion where they make recommendations based on the amount of time to get gold chips (this might change with the new bp?)
https://gf2-bbs.exiliumgf.com/threadInfo?id=57325

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 4:01 PM

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ahh, nice they have it all calculated out.
Here is for the 3 line pieces:

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Here is for the 4 line muzzle pieces:

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weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 5:54 PM

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glad i was introduced to this thread. i've recently looked at this author's work and had some questions. though because i don't speak mandarin i couldn't contact them to get access to workings and clarification:

the calibration estimates seem to be taking the probabilities conditional on no roll being under 100% [1], whereas we need the probabilities of certain total calibration and no roll being under 100%. the effect of this is that the required number of calibrations are underestimated, indeed, as compared to [2];
when farming for 3 line sets, we are also farming muzzles, so by optimising sets and muzzles separately, farming time is overestimated and chip expense is underestimated; and
highest base stat rolls for ATK and HP are collapsed into the next lower level as per older works, and therefore chip costs are not precise.

with that in mind i've replicated the results of previous works by 无音 [2] and 聊以行国 [3] and extended the results to approximate the approach 啾啾喵 [1] used:

probabilities excluded cases where any calibration falls below 100%;
giving ATK 5 base roll scores to better reflect chip cost;
combined farming time and chip cost for 3 piece sets and muzzles into one table;
allow modification of chip/stamina/gold gain for future estimates; and
provide an estimate for full 4 piece sets.

i've included an excel file with full workings, and one with results only for ease of use. it would be wonderful if someone can help check my homework 3845happycat

edit: i've updated and released the tool as a google sheet here https://discord.com/channels/838924736720797727/1367760392842903614

references:
[1] New tuning chip analysis, 啾啾喵, https://gf2-bbs.exiliumgf.com/threadInfo?id=57325, also https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=43438074
[2] Calibration, 无音, https://gf2-bbs.exiliumgf.com/threadInfo?id=26756
[3] Substats and farming time, 聊以行国, https://gf2-bbs.exiliumgf.com/threadInfo?id=46322

📎 gfl2-attachment-special-chip-101.xlsx 📎 gfl2-attachment-special-chip-101-results-only.xlsx

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 7:11 PM

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some further observations:

at this stage it's hard to recommend a solid number to aim for
chip income is still uncertain due to other sources not yet known (event, new bp, new game modes). the author used 0.625 chip per day but i approximated report of 15 chips per month with 0.5 chips per day (15 * 12 / 360)
farming and calibration results vary wildly between accounts
matching chip income and expense results in ridiculously high level of base stat score and calibration requirement, which is not advisable when you still have other sets to farm (this is alleviated by us having a headstart before new chips hit, but we don't know when)
no one has done any analysis on the limiting factor now that gold is uncapped. for example, is attachment xp fodder an issue?
this will need to be tailored to each account's chip income and gold income from other sources and frequently revisited

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 8:09 PM

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Considering the head start the recommendation is probably going to be "start with your best pieces and the most shareable sets (i.e. phase strike)". Nevertheless, the math to strike a balance between farming attachments and obtaining chips is useful for new farms. It's also good to see the bigger picture of "how much time can I save on farming/calibration if I'm willing to wait a bit longer for more chips"

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I suspect fodder is not going to be a limiter since boundary push also yields a ton of fodders without actively farming attachments with stamina (how many runs of attachment stages that income is equivalent to is TBD). I've not ran out of fodder yet although tbf I have really strict locking plans

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:02 PM

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The recommendation from the BBS is:

Set : Level 50 - Average fine-tuning level 160% or more

Muzzle : Level 65 - Average fine-tuning level above 160%

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However, that is quite a high bar

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50+ according to the graph is 146 rolls or nearly 3 million gold per set piece

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and 65+ for the muzzle is nearly 290 rolls or close to 6 million

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getting above 48+ seems much more achievable as its only 72 rolls

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was surprised this was so high when their attachment recommendation was so low:

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Level 7+ seems like nothing

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:19 PM

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The NGA post did have 49/63 for pack whales and 45/60 for newbie/stamina-eco

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:20 PM

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45/60 is 30 rolls per set attachment and 67 for the muzzle

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which is definitely much cheaper suomiDork

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if u farmed as a f2p for an entire week on gold, including all the different sources, you would get what like 1.5m?

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:23 PM

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It's about 150k per day on natural stamina only so closer to 1m

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:23 PM

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its 12 stam per hour so 12 * 24 * 7 = 2016 stamina a week

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10660 per run of the gold stage i think

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:24 PM

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8.2k * 1.3

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lemme also check dispatch

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:25 PM

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also 50k/week from guild, 25k/week from weekly boss.

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:26 PM

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dispatch is 6k per day

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:28 PM

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15200 from this thing

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15.5k from the biweekly

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:31 PM

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it seems appropriate at this stage to find all other sources of gold and chip incomes and add them to the estimates. this should not affect farming time estimates but have some significant effect on calibration.

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:31 PM

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vepleyHeh yeahhh

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:32 PM

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i guess mica can't just release this chip and give everyone 'enough'. they probably reserve some for future game modes/events/packs

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which i think is the main deciding factor here

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:33 PM

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at 15 chips/month we are essentially going to take 4.5 months to get a perfect set as f2p if we go with 150% avg stats

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actually more since we need base stats too

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which is a long time to farm gold

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:35 PM

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tbh the present income is already more generous than I was expecting for a something that guarantees improvement. but I guess now we also have the collapse flower thing to worry about suomiDork

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:36 PM

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true 15 gold chips a month is a lot

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:36 PM

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I think the uncertain, recurring sources for gold chips at this point are

minor events
new tarkov
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long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:37 PM

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yeah, tarkov is variable too so hard to judge

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:38 PM

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does it reward based on difficulty? or milestones?

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:38 PM

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do you mean the current one we have in cn now or the flower thing they are about to implement?

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:39 PM

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i only play on global so totally unaware 7529_KEKW what's the current one like?

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:40 PM

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current you can farm up to this amount of chests a week, they each have chance to drop gold in quantities of about 800-2k

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:40 PM

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mica and their gachaception boxes Peepo_Cry

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do they declare rates?

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:41 PM

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not that ive seen

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:42 PM

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ah that a shame peepobeard

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thanks

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if you happen to remember any other sources of gold not available on global yet please do leave them in the thread i will add them to the sheet

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:42 PM

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hmmm

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:42 PM

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i can probably go and check the global ones in the following days

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:43 PM

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I think the rewards for our gunsmoke were changed

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but i cant see them rn

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:43 PM

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i think if we know it's a recurring source at regular intervals we can add them

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:45 PM

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the shop also sells 100k a month in gold can buy for 200 tickets vepleyHeh

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 PM

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do you guys have enough in cn to start buying gold in platoon shop yet? haroldpain

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 PM

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our battle pass is also changing next season

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yeah we do

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 PM

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oh yeah i've heard. 23 days instead of 30 now

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 PM

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it has the gold chips in it too now so some other stuff changed

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:46 PM

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right

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jack you play on cn too right?

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:47 PM

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long basin current you can farm up to this amount of chests a week, they each have chance t...

actually if you click into that question mark it gives you total amounts of gold for each tier per week. Also states that the attachment boxes are the same probability as rolling them in attachment stages

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:47 PM

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ohh

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:47 PM

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just found out suomiDork

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:47 PM

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if you're already satisfied we don't really run out of fodders i guess we could just focus on chip and gold for now

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:48 PM

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hah you right

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i forgot about this

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57k gold a week from this then

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:48 PM

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28 boxes

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:48 PM

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aren't they reworking this too?

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:48 PM

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that's like... 2 attachment runs

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yeah the flower thing. they showed in the preview that it has a similar reward structure

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:49 PM

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uhh theres going to be a new thing i dunno if they getting rid of this one

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:49 PM

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guess we will see after the update

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:49 PM

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the flowers are supposed to be another method of upgrades

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but we dont know much yet

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Also, for players who have been around since tarkov mode first came out everyone should have their characters max affection by now

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hopefully we can do something with the extra gifts

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 9:51 PM

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is that flower the collapse epyphyllum something related to the remolding pattern upgrade system?

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:51 PM

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ya

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this thing is the 2nd tab on tarkov mode page https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/841096823824973864/1350850398046654559/GmKPU5Ta0AAFvXk.png?ex=67d98e78&is=67d83cf8&hm=5c6ac365c133ae31eba92e367165aa2ffa3d836af49c83c6857e78124820b2fd&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1028&height=577

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:56 PM

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actually now that I see this pic again it makes me think this is in addition to old tarkov... since these rewards are lower. Was wondering if it replaced old tarkov with higher difficulty & more rewards

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:57 PM

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nah u can see the old tarkov name in the tab in top right

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so it seems u can switch between

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 9:57 PM

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hmm right

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 9:58 PM

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DushevPeek seems strange but for whatever reason they blurred out something in this pic

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in the top left

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 10:02 PM

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the bonuses on the right really sound like elemental bonuses

weary egret Mar 17, 2025, 10:03 PM

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iirc they blurred out the 50k gold cost when they previewed the new chips too. probably something not yet finalised 7529_KEKW

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 10:03 PM

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... but they don't remind me of any roguelike buffs

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kek

long basin Mar 17, 2025, 10:04 PM

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feral cargo the bonuses on the right really sound like elemental bonuses

Someone pointed out b4 that they look like monster hunter buffs

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lol

feral cargo Mar 17, 2025, 10:04 PM

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lol

royal kettle Mar 23, 2025, 8:12 AM

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Can the new chips max out any piece regardless of substat roll, or do they just send them to 200% and a non max sub will always suck?

long basin Mar 23, 2025, 8:32 AM

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it boosts base stats too

weary egret Mar 23, 2025, 10:33 AM

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royal kettle Can the new chips max out any piece regardless of substat roll, or do they just ...

it boosts base stats (3 to 4 steps) to max first before you can start boosting calibration

royal kettle Mar 23, 2025, 1:25 PM

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Nice, thanks

feral cargo Mar 23, 2025, 6:10 PM

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long basin Someone pointed out b4 that they look like monster hunter buffs

the new pic today has different buff names

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literally atk/crit/elemental buffs lol

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"throne shatter" sounds like def pen maybe

long basin Mar 23, 2025, 6:12 PM

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SKKHappyF nice

bronze nebula Mar 28, 2025, 9:49 AM

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long basin it has the gold chips in it too now so some other stuff changed

how many can you get from the battle pass? free vs paid?

bronze nebula Apr 1, 2025, 7:37 AM

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ah, lots more gold chips from tarkov as well

long basin Apr 25, 2025, 5:18 AM

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theres some more too

modern marsh Apr 25, 2025, 5:20 AM

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where else again
2 from gunsmoke?

long basin Apr 25, 2025, 5:21 AM

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yah 2 from gunsmoke

modern marsh Apr 25, 2025, 5:22 AM

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Botzu do you know if gold chips from tarkov crates is 1 or 2 again

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.chips

somber finchBOT Apr 25, 2025, 5:23 AM

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Fire Control Chip Income

In EN
Weekly:
Platoon Shop - 1

Monthly:
Growth Stack - 3

Per Event:
Event Store - 6

Paid Items:
Paid Items - 1+3+10, a total of up to $65 USD)

In CN Now:
Battle Pass (F2P) - 1
Battle Pass (Paid) - 2
Gunsmoke Frontline Individual Rewards - 1
Phase Breakthrough (Purification Rewards) - 1 per week

long basin Apr 25, 2025, 5:23 AM

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i cant tell if its RNG but you definitely get more than 1 total

modern marsh Apr 25, 2025, 5:23 AM

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aight

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so need to adjust
2 from Gunsmoke
1 from tarkov milestones
2~ from crates

long basin Apr 25, 2025, 5:24 AM

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we also got 2 from the relic recovery but dunno when that resets

modern marsh Apr 25, 2025, 5:25 AM

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that’s the RO patch roguelike?

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suomiDork

long basin Apr 25, 2025, 5:26 AM

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ya

modern marsh Apr 25, 2025, 5:28 AM

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Uhhh we’ll chalk that up to random patch events ig not consistent enough

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so for CN calcs as of RO patch

Weekly:
3~ estimated from Phase Tarkov
1 from Platoon Shop

Monthly:
Growth Stack Shop Reset - 3

Per Event:
Event Store - 6
Gunsmoke Milestones - 2
Free BP - 1

Paid:
$10 for Paid BP - 2
$5 for Pack A - 1
$10 for Pack B - 3
$50 for Pack C - 10

Monthly income:
(calculated by 8 weeks, 3 events, 2 months divided by 2)
32+ a month (F2P)
35+ a month (BP buyer)
56+ a month (BP + All 3 packs buyer)

Event modes like Roguelike not included

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suomiDork

royal kettle Apr 25, 2025, 7:04 AM

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long basin The recommendation from the BBS is: > Set : Level 50 - Average fine-tuning leve...

what does level here correspond to? can't figure out how it maps onto stats.

long basin Apr 25, 2025, 7:09 AM

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think like every 10% is 1 lvl

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set is 3 stats up to 200% ea stat

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so a piece with 160%+170%+170% would be 500% total or lvl 50

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thats what they recommending you aim for before using a chip yuzhongSmug

long basin Apr 25, 2025, 7:18 AM

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royal kettle what does level here correspond to? can't figure out how it maps onto stats.

royal kettle Apr 25, 2025, 2:26 PM

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gotcha, thanks for explaining

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level 50 before chip is wild

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i guess if you have pieces that are close to max base stats, so way higher than level 7 from the other image, you can effectively do average a level lower level plan though

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so i guess my strat will be to farm good base stats and average 150s or something

distant sandal Apr 26, 2025, 8:46 PM

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I think this is the best place to share this.
Made a little site to quickly check an attachment's calibration from a screenshot
https://morphthemoth.github.io/GFL2-Attachments-Calibration-Check

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cheetaEi

long basin Apr 26, 2025, 11:10 PM

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distant sandal I think this is the best place to share this. Made a little site to quickly chec...

Wow what u using to read the numbers from the screenshot?

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krolikSmile ahh it's a GitHub lemme looks

distant sandal Apr 26, 2025, 11:33 PM

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it just searches and counts the pixels from the white and orange lines
it can get it wrong rarely cause the pixels arent perfect and the white line in the middle could mess up the count a little
that's what the number in the parenthesis is for, its what the ratio is before rounding it, if its close to 5% it could be the 10% up or below, but it did work for all the ones i tried

long basin Apr 27, 2025, 12:44 AM

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I was wondering if u were using ocr suomiDork

weary egret Apr 27, 2025, 7:27 AM

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this reminds me someone shared another way to check #🧮theorycrafting-en message
still, it's wild that there's no easy and direct way

long basin Apr 27, 2025, 7:34 AM

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If u open the gold chips menu for a piece it shows the stats too DushevPeek Menu only available if its stats are over 100% ea

weary egret Apr 27, 2025, 7:37 AM

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oh cool. that's not terrible then CatRave

mild compass Apr 27, 2025, 5:23 PM

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dam, thats ultra cool @distant sandal 🍻

oak glacier Apr 28, 2025, 3:17 PM

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distant sandal I think this is the best place to share this. Made a little site to quickly chec...

I would suggest adding it to the general guide section. It's an extremely useful tool and a lot more useful than it just being somewhere hidden in the middle of a discussion on gold chips.. but it's your call.

distant sandal Apr 28, 2025, 9:48 PM

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i didnt post it initally because its not really a theorycrafting thing, but actually yea i agree i should make a post about it

wicked heron Apr 29, 2025, 7:45 AM

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I'm confused about something, can someone clear it to me

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how many ticks does flat attack needs to max the base

weary egret Apr 29, 2025, 8:03 AM

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flat atk and flat hp have 5 possible base rolls. so maximum 4 chips to go from min to max

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the rest of the substats have 4 possible base rolls, so 3 chips from min to max

wicked heron Apr 29, 2025, 8:05 AM

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weary egret flat atk and flat hp have 5 possible base rolls. so maximum 4 chips to go from m...

I'm confused because I've seen more than 5 base rolls

weary egret Apr 29, 2025, 8:06 AM

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that's interesting. it shouldn't be anything outside of these values
https://gf2-bbs.exiliumgf.com/threadInfo?id=46322

wicked heron Apr 29, 2025, 8:06 AM

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I've seen 20 and 22 flat attack

weary egret Apr 29, 2025, 8:06 AM

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could it have been atk% or another flat stat you saw?

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i see, that's interesting

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could you take a screenshot of it next time you come across it?

wicked heron Apr 29, 2025, 8:08 AM

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weary egret Apr 29, 2025, 8:09 AM

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thanks, these are great

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i wonder if it's some funny rounding or if they adjusted the base rolls to be all 4 to simplify things

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could take a look at the rest and see what possible values there are

weary egret Apr 29, 2025, 8:44 AM

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what's strange is that these are exceptionally rare haroldpain i have 600 attachments with flat atk but only 2 of them got 22 base flat atk

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the ideal situation is that it's just a display thing due to rounding, or they are grouped together, ie 19 and 20 both take 1 chip to get to the next break point at 21.

if someone playing on cn client can verify this it would be wonderful. otherwise i will revisit this when global patch drops.

wicked heron Apr 29, 2025, 8:49 AM

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interesting

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also yea they're very rare

wicked heron Apr 29, 2025, 9:08 AM

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just to confirm using one chip on 19 gives 21 right?

weary egret Apr 29, 2025, 9:14 AM

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based on this from the preview stream, it takes 4 chips to go from 17 flat atk to max base, so likely tuning would go to the next break point

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but ideally this is verified in game

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tuning from the rare cases of 20 and 22 atk however will be tricky. will be tough to find an atk cr atk% calibrated to 100%+ with that specific base atk 7529_KEKW

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unless someone makes the sacrifice for science

wicked heron Apr 29, 2025, 9:18 AM

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416Laugh

uncut cobalt May 1, 2025, 9:16 AM

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i know this is asked alot

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but i cant find it anywhere

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i get the "target 150% per substat on average"

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but what about base stats?
i found out that some needs for example 3 while others need 5 to max a base stat

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i think there is a sweet spot between farming for calibration to obtain higher base stats and using that same energy for more Sardis gold to obtain higher avg% rolls

long basin May 1, 2025, 9:34 AM

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uncut cobalt but what about base stats? i found out that some needs for example 3 while other...

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although this seems quite low requirements even for the standard plan

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so basically if you had an attachment with base stats:

21 ATK / 3.0% ATK / 4.0% CR
Thats 3 + 2 + 2 or 7 points

uncut cobalt May 1, 2025, 9:47 AM

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7 for pieces and 9 for muzzles

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aight , i will target 8 for pieces and 10 for muzzles
till i find my chip getting stacked unused

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thanks

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wicked heron May 1, 2025, 11:40 AM

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weary egret unless someone makes the sacrifice for science

it goes from 20 > 22 > 24

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feral cargo May 1, 2025, 11:43 AM

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so it skipped 23 and ended up being the same number of steps
like
17->19->20/21->22/23->24

weary egret May 1, 2025, 12:14 PM

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oh wonderful that’s great to know thank you CatRave

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so for our purpose it’s safe to treat 20 the same as 21 and 22 the same as 23. i was worried we’d have to add more combinations for some small chance of dropping these 7529_KEKW

misty zodiac May 1, 2025, 11:17 PM

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wicked heron it goes from 20 > 22 > 24

Did it start at 20 for some reason? I thought it was 17,19,21,23,24

wicked heron May 1, 2025, 11:17 PM

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wicked heron

@misty zodiac

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you can get 20

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and 22

misty zodiac May 1, 2025, 11:18 PM

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wicked heron you can get 20

wonder if it depends on your client

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Seems odd that I wouldn't see one in so many

wicked heron May 1, 2025, 11:18 PM

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it's very rare

misty zodiac May 8, 2025, 10:37 AM

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https://gf2-bbs.exiliumgf.com/threadInfo?id=68763&hash_flag=1 LE GOAT HAS POSTED A NEW GUIDE

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Imma translate this probably this weekend

jolly pumice May 16, 2025, 1:19 AM

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misty zodiac https://gf2-bbs.exiliumgf.com/threadInfo?id=68763&hash_flag=1 LE GOAT HAS POSTED...

me when I'm using my bachelor's in statistics to its full extent:

stuck gull Jun 14, 2025, 3:57 PM

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So basically, from this guide it seems that the advice is to reroll the piece until it needs x chips to max (2nd numbers for muzzle):

Standard: level 7/12 - 9/16 base stats (5 - 7 chips), level 50/60 - 65/80 rolls (10 - 15 chips) = 16 - 23 total chips needed
Kriptonian(?lol? wat is dis name): level 6/12 - 8/16 base (6 - 8 chips), level 49/60 - 63/80 rolls (11 - 17 chips) = 17 - 25 total
Newbie: level 5/12 - 7/16 (7 - 9 chips), level 45/60 - 60/80 (15 - 20 chips) = 22 - 29 total

I feel like these plans are not "calibrated" well, the 2nd one is way too close to the standard one, and the beginner is too far with too many extra chips lol

For example just now I rolled an AR sight that now needs 20 chips to max, according to these plans this would not fit into any plan, it would be very good compared to standard but very bad for the other two, which doesn't feel right imo

long basin Jun 14, 2025, 4:22 PM

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I think the stats to aim for rely heavily on how you are farming. The original guide was created in a time when gold stage was still limited. If you mainly farm gold stage might want to aim for higher avg rolls.

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Still 7/12 base stat rolls still feels very low

long basin Jun 14, 2025, 5:06 PM

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stuck gull So basically, from this guide it seems that the advice is to reroll the piece un...

My strategy is to aim a bit lower on the roll avg and higher on the base stats. i think 9/12-12/16 is pretty reasonable for base stats and 45/60-60/80 minimum for the attachment rolls. That gets you around 18-24 to max pieces.

long basin Jun 14, 2025, 5:26 PM

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With the odds of getting a 50/60 piece or a 65/80 piece you could only likely roll 1 attachment with those stats a patch.

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And that's with farming gold nonstop the whole patch

misty zodiac Jun 16, 2025, 9:50 AM

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anything above 350% is wasting money if you are using boost chips

weary egret Jun 16, 2025, 3:55 PM

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did the author explain anywhere else the rationale behind dividing the expectations by 2.5 to account for gold cost of calibrating set pieces using boost chips? frogthink

distant sandal Jun 16, 2025, 5:57 PM

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i guess thats for the gold cost, 50/20

weary egret Jun 16, 2025, 5:59 PM

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mhm, i was thinking about that. but it's 44k for 3 line and 52k for 4 line, over 20k without boost chips for both

misty zodiac Jun 17, 2025, 2:54 AM

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weary egret did the author explain anywhere else the rationale behind dividing the expectati...

the gold cost of using boost chips

weary egret Jun 17, 2025, 3:10 AM

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right. what i don't get is how he arrived at that 2.5 figure when gold cost using boost chips of 44k divided by normal gold cost of 20k gives 2.2

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since i'm effectively illiterate here, if you come across any mention of workings for this bit please do let me know prayge

misty zodiac Jun 17, 2025, 3:12 AM

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Honestly there are so many jargon I might as well be half illterate heh

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https://gf2-bbs.exiliumgf.com/threadInfo?id=68763&hash_flag=5 the original thread

weary egret Jun 17, 2025, 3:13 AM

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oh sweet thanks CatRave

bronze nebula Jun 17, 2025, 6:41 AM

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For reference I have the breakpoint at around 400-410% from random simming https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CVY5A5fT2628D4RdnCZYUmYMaEAwBca0hc9mdm0oFGQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

The difference is probably just from the gold cost difference

Google Docs

Calibration Level Probabilities

weary egret Jun 17, 2025, 8:52 AM

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yeah same. so i wanted to see some workings. his basis is also slightly different. he evaluated the expected gold chip saving if calibrating once more at each level

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which does not take into account the difference in cost/chance to get to that level in the first place, between using/not using boost chips

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so not sure if it can be considered a complete comparison between the two approach

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then again, this doesn’t contradict the generally accepted norm that boost chips are a scam. so there’s no real rush to investigate further

misty zodiac Jun 17, 2025, 5:02 PM

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I am just glad we have a the consensus that we should stop at about 350-400%

long basin Jun 17, 2025, 8:32 PM

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when you say 350% - 400% you are talking about just 3 piece?

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 3:06 AM

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yeah

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 3:47 AM

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400 is pretty a pretty high bar imo

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like 130/130/130-140 don't come by everyday

long basin Jun 18, 2025, 3:55 AM

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mfw spending a million gold to roll 50x per piece

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and i dont stop until at least 480%+

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suomiDork

bronze nebula Jun 18, 2025, 4:39 AM

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misty zodiac I am just glad we have a the consensus that we should stop at about 350-400%

wait what do you mean stop at 350-400%, isn't this for boost chips, not gold chips?

long basin Jun 18, 2025, 4:40 AM

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yeah i think its fine to sit on 400% for general gear but if you plan to use gold chips that definitely not enough.

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 4:44 AM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1awPzsvplCoNNp13O0lZ2jxVVc7NzFEPMVtXnjTIPRyo/edit?tab=t.0

Google Docs

A Simple Analysis of the Attachment System in GFL2 by 聊以行国

A Simple Analysis of the Attachment System in GFL2 Written by 聊以行国 Translated by DiggusDBickus Forward from the translator: It takes an insane man to write an essay-length analysis about a single system in a gacha game, and it takes a doubly insane man to translate said analysis, especially i...

high berry Jun 18, 2025, 3:16 PM

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misty zodiac like 130/130/130-140 don't come by everyday

some1 told me this is not good enough for gold chips PerityaDespair #🌄gfl2-screenshots message

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 3:20 PM

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bruh momento

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 3:20 PM

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high berry some1 told me this is not good enough for gold chips <:PerityaDespair:1321510294...

it really depends tbh

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since gold chips are the bottle neck, it might actually be better to get a better calib

high berry Jun 18, 2025, 3:22 PM

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misty zodiac it really depends tbh

thats my 2nd muzzle (1st one was 4x perfect roll base + 200/190/170/150, dont ask why, Lord just smiled on me), so i just got the base to perfect lvl and left it like this x(

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 3:22 PM

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570% for muzzles are the awkward zone tbh

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the 400% is really for normal attachments and even that was assuming you are prioritizing gold instead of chips

high berry Jun 18, 2025, 3:24 PM

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its so much easier to roll good on 3stat attachments x(

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 3:24 PM

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so true

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I wish they added a 10x calib button

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to spare me of spamming

high berry Jun 18, 2025, 3:26 PM

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i wish they lifted additional cost on orange chips chipping

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 3:27 PM

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mate that means my translation is worthless if they do that heh

high berry Jun 18, 2025, 3:27 PM

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it just exists for not reason (additional cost)

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all my homies hate it

misty zodiac Jun 18, 2025, 3:30 PM

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I just hope they don't over simplify the calib system

high berry Jun 18, 2025, 3:37 PM

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its already simplified enough (compared to all other gacha) and dont get me wrong - i am greatful for having gold chips, thats like a fresh breath of air compared to all this hoyo sht

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i jsut wish they listed cost on orange chips chipping

royal kettle Jun 18, 2025, 3:54 PM

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i wish other games had stuff like chips. wuwa i'm sitting on more resources than i'll ever use and have almost 0 reason to farm for anything other than to just spend the stam bc dailies tell me to. would be fantastic to have massive resource drain to perfect my equips

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gfl got me panhandling for gold for the next attachment roll lmao

high berry Jun 18, 2025, 4:23 PM

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royal kettle gfl got me panhandling for gold for the next attachment roll lmao

thats so true x(
i dont even have enough gold to cap crit on this one x(

long basin Jun 21, 2025, 9:31 AM

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I saw the spreadhseet over in the other channel

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with their guide the optimal path is rolling for 490% for set pieces and 630% for muzzle

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pretty steep tbh

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essentially 160% avg stats

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which would take about 16 gold chips per piece for the set and 25 for the muzzle on avg

misty zodiac Jun 22, 2025, 8:47 AM

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fml

long basin Jun 22, 2025, 9:17 AM

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i got one earlier today which was a set piece with 200%/90%/200%

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so depressing

jolly pumice Jun 27, 2025, 7:08 PM

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part of the process (is what I cope with)

royal kettle Jun 27, 2025, 11:07 PM

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skadidaijoubu

high berry Jul 6, 2025, 9:05 PM

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how bad of an idea is to chip 540% muzzle but it requires 8 chips to get perfect base? x(

misty zodiac Jul 6, 2025, 11:40 PM

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8, so your base now is 3 on average

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that is an awkward position, yiu want around 600 on calib, and your base stats arnt that good either

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shouldve goetten a better muzzle before calib

high berry Jul 6, 2025, 11:53 PM

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been farming smg attachments for quite some time, got tons of quite good triple offensive stats scopes/foregrips/underbarels but not luck with muzzles x(

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from earlier today for example

long basin Jul 6, 2025, 11:57 PM

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high berry how bad of an idea is to chip 540% muzzle but it requires 8 chips to get perfect...

no beuno suomiDork time to reroll some more

high berry Jul 6, 2025, 11:57 PM

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worst thing is that i have enough other parts for both leva and lenna

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but only 1 scope

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and its el garbanzo

misty zodiac Jul 22, 2025, 12:12 PM

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#Attachment rolling for gold chips