Extreme Projection Boss Guide

[spring vapor]

This Mech is a giant DPS check. Don't feel bad if you cannot get max reward.

Overview:

• Deploy 6 units, cannot use friends' units.

• Boss has a straightforward attack pattern, it can attack the closest target, deal AOE to all, or do a telegraphed AOE attack. Its attacks apply attack down.

• Must reduce HP to 39% for max reward (60 collapse and 2 precision chips, if you can't get it it's not a big deal)

• Tactical score is retained even after clearing/getting rekt. Most likely you'll need to fight this guy twice even if you lowered his HP below 39% to max out tactical score.

• Has no innate phase weakness, and has 105 stability regenerating 2 turns after

Basically it's our training ground to guild boss, except this guy deals damage. He has 737,121 hp, but not to worry because his passives will help us out.

He has 3 passives, the tldr for each is:

1. After getting hit by a phase element, gain the weakness if he doesn't have it, otherwise lose it. Takes bonus fixed damage and 2 more stab break when getting hit by a weakness.
   (Note: Forced phase element weaknesses such as Suomi S3 and Sabrina S1/S2 will remain regardless)

2. At 400k hp and 100k less thereafter, increases damage taken in exchange for more damage dealt.

3. When getting stab broken, summons 4 objects next to him, killing the objects will deal fixed damage and grant him new weaknesses. At the start of the turn when stab broken, get stunned, takes 50% more damage with each successive phase weakness hit, and remove elemental weaknesses next turn.

Apart from taking cover and aggro juggling, the only "strategy" is maximizing DPS and stab break. The units I brought were QJ, Wa, Sharkry, Suomi, Lotta, and Vepley. QJ, Suomi, and Lotta are essential, others can be replaced by DPS.

(Also mods, I think this guy plays differently enough that he warrants his own guide even though he's technically also under endless projections)

General flow of battle:

Suomi S3, aggro juggle between Suomi and whoever can afford to deal less damage, spam strongest stab breaking skills.

When stab broken, Lotta hits the objects with S3.

After the boss gets stunned, cleanse atk down debuff and heal with Suomi S3 (if mecessary), Lotta finishes off the objects (That means the adds must be 2-shot-able). deal damage in ascending order from least damaging unit to most damaging unit to take advantage of the bonus 50% damage per hit.

Boss gains stab, rinse and repeat.

Roster alternatives:
No QJ? Use Nemesis, you need the def down. Make sure to proc her prophecy passive on the tank by positioning her properly.

If your Vepley is so cracked that she can 2 shot the adds then you can drop Lotta for another DPS. But I don’t expect people to invest in her hence I suggest Lotta.

If you have no Suomi unfortunately that’s really rough, best bet is Colphne.

Unless you have nothing else do not use Mosin, Neme literally is better due to def down (boss has 7k def).

[wind talon]

👍 very helpful
First time to reduce HP under 60%

[coral mountain]

OP what lvl are your dolls, dupes etc? so I have a rough idea. I tried Lotta for the objects but prolly too low lvl as it took a whhile to kill them.

[spring vapor]

My units are quite strong, all level 50 with Suomi V2 + Sig, QJ + Sig, WaV2 + Sig, Sharkry + Guerno, Lotta V6 with her event wep, Lv 42 Vepley has trash gear as her only role is to apply vulnerable to the boss. If you have Tololo, Vepley is easily replaceable.

But I could have went significantly below 40% with optimal play (I suspect even 20%), I think even with lower level units this is still doable, the key is to have a huge hitter that hits after maxing out the damage bonus to 250%, for me that’s Wa, but Tololo would work better as she can hit twice. Lotta must also 2-shot the objects, S3 on the same turn you stab break, then immediately again the turn after when boss stunned.

[dreamy current]

doable without QJ?

[spring vapor]

I think so but you need cracked Tololo and Wa

QJ Suomi and Lotta are the key units here unfortunately

Replacements for them are rather copium

Oh right don’t forget to put murderous intent key on Wa

Yeah exactly that’s why I think you need cracked other dps to offset not having QJ

I’m not a math whiz so I wouldn’t know how that works, but TLL being 50% is just sad

Cracked V1 Wa may make it possible then, I think she could hit for almost 20k damage with an S1

[dreamy current]

i have a built tololo and v1 maki with samosek, and suomi v1r1. other units in guide are of okay-ish build

i might try it later and check

[spring vapor]

Who are your other DPS?

[dreamy current]

lotta and sharkry

vepley is unbuilt

but i have sabrina

[spring vapor]

Lotta is essential, so your team may be TLL Maki Lotta Suomi Sharkry, your last unit maybe Vepley or Ksenia, but I don’t know if Vuln 2 will be better than Ksenia proccing Sharkry and giving out blazing assault

Well the event lasts 2 weeks just keep that in mind

Krolik isn’t bad either, I forgot about her tbh yeah she can be a Sharkry proccer

[summer basin]

I have Suomi v3, Ulrid v2, Makiatto v4, others are v0 Tololo and QJ, Mosin Nagant is just there to shoot the pillar thing because even at v2 she does absolute wetfart damage and cant even kill a pillar at lv50.
Anyways, even with that line up, i still barely made it at turn 15 exactly and pulled its HP down to 37%
All that whaling i did just equate to 50 collapsed pieces 😭

[spring vapor]

Not using lotta smh

You waste turns hitting the rocks

When Lotta can clear them all

[stable cobalt]

so i just spam s1 with lotta until rocks then use ult ?

[summer basin]

unbuilt Lotta since most other contents was easier to have Elite dolls on the full line up, and i'm not a big whale so i cant buy "resource packs", right now my combat report and analysis blueprints are hovering at 10k, immediately disappear once i level up and have to keep my main dolls on their best form. Also i dont know if Lotta can really one shot the pillars though, my current team still clear all 4 in one turn.
And i dont recall all 4 pillars having ice weakness for Lotta to shine that much. Lotta can ult every turn i know, but the damage is not one shot for sure.

[spring vapor]

Yup, but make sure you have enough CI, clearing the rocks in 2 turns is ok, 3 turns is worrying if you can get full rewards

The general rotation with Lotta is S1, then S3 + S2, S3 + S2 again, then S1 and it loops

[stable cobalt]

need atleast 2 target isnt it for her to get extra turn after ult

[spring vapor]

You don’t need one shot, 2 shotting is enough. With her event weap and some investment it’s not hard to do.

But since you have already invested your resources elsewhere I get your situation, but you should know that Lotta will be very useful in one of the crossroad challenges because the boss keeps spawning adds and you have to kill them or else they will swarm your team. But if your team is so strong and can kill the boss before it happens you should be fine

[spring vapor]

Yeah, if you ult at the tank after the rocks spawn she can hit the tank and all the rocks at the same time

Make sure lotta moves last if the rocks haven’t spawned yet, that way as soon as your team stab breaks, Lotta can get an S3 immediately

[summer basin]

thanks for the tip, my Lotta is actually lv40 and since resources are so scarce, i cant really afford non elite dolls whenever its available, but Lotta has been a real one before Tololo and Makiatto coming along for me. She's benched for now but is it one of the built purple dolls and i know her value.

[spring vapor]

My lotta was level 49 with 1.4k attack, this was just barely enough to 2 shot the things, but funnily enough Vepley can also hit them all but you have to hit the tank dead center

So you can use Vepley as support like I did

[thick lake]

nobody uses ksenia huh

[worldly kiln]

i did

Though I have a lot of sigs, mostly level 42

WAV1/Tolol/SuomiV1/Lotta/QJ/Ksenia

way too close for comfort though, 39% on the last turn.

I have Suomi/Tololo/WA/QJ sigs each.

[thick lake]

im just gonna leave this here

[worldly kiln]

jeez what level wtf

and statlines

[thick lake]

lv52

clear turn 13

[worldly kiln]

we are in two very different worlds i think hahahaha

bc none of my tankers were that healthy

[thick lake]

ksenia perma atk up for qj/wa, and 3 chances to give one of crit stat, pen stat(def ignore), targetted dmg boost (stacks with normal dmg boost), and some other stuff

vep is perma vuln 2

stability break every 2 turns

roughly

[worldly kiln]

ah so i dont even have those keys yet i think

i used ksenia to hard stab break

every 2 turns.

[thick lake]

ksenia is supposed to basically only use heal skill

[spring vapor]

Ksenia is a totally valid option, in my team it was Sharkry and Vepley that are kinda replaceable if you have better DPS or have some other plan in mind

[thick lake]

buffer for atk and pen rate ignoring def to get that insane atk/def ratio up a bit

[worldly kiln]

I never used heal on ksenia 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I used her as a support attack bot

i am obviously playing her very wrong

[thick lake]

ksenia + rng buff key + cheeta key + stechkin gun = atk buff and 3 random buffs per use for 2 turns (which you can perma buff qj and wa)

sharkry has her own atk boost so unless you want to try to rng other buffs on her its fine i think

[worldly kiln]

I think I could have switched ksenia with vep but i didnt like that she couldnt create a phase weakness, is why

[thick lake]

you dont even need it, boss gives itself weakness if you attack it and it doesnt already have it

or you can aoe the towers

better just get easy dmg bonus from vulnerable

what does lotta even do

[spring vapor]

Lotta is the AOE, I didn’t invest in my Vep

If my Vep was more invested then absolutely her killing the towers while applying vuln is ideal

I suck at math so I don’t know if Ksenia buff or Vep debuff will do more damage

[thick lake]

atk/enemy def ratio is super low so probably ksenia

boss also gives themselves dmg bonus taken or something later

[spring vapor]

Absolutely this is the team I would go with if Lotta was unnecessary, unfortunately I invested in Lotta not Vep

[spring vapor]

Also out of curiosity what are the stats on your units

[thick lake]

mostly built for atk

qj and wa have around 2600 atk

sharkry has less base atk so i forgot

wa has 70% crit rate

total

i know people saying 100% crit rate

but if your wawa does less dmg on a crit than i do on a non crit im gonna laugh at you

still need to get better wawa attachments tbh

sharkry has just under 2k atk

[spring vapor]

Well I have no clue on the math but the reason I suggested Vepley and Lotta is to make the killing the objects in 2 turns easier since not everyone will have strong Lottas

[noble haven]

I don't think you should assume people's levels of investments are the same. and the mindset isn't healthy on a guide imo.

[thick lake]

with the same level of investment you can get either atk stacking wawa or 100% crit by simply using atk crit attachment or atk atk attachment
assuming no perfect subs

if your wawa does worse with 100% crit than atk stack im laughing at you

[noble haven]

Alright, post your wa

[thick lake]

what does mine have to do with this

[noble haven]

there you go. This is a guide

[thick lake]

surely 100% crit would do better if you properly built it

[thick lake]

what does "this is a guide" have to do with this

[noble haven]

Why are you laughing at people trying to clear?

[thick lake]

trying to clear? no
crippling your build with crit instead of dmg boost? yes

if you havent seen the so called "guides" in here yet you can go check the very correct guide called 100% crit makiatto

atk crit key over dmg key

[noble haven]

I think you're hyper focused on this for no particular reason so I should clear the air.

I don't think op mention crit on wa anywhere

"original post" by the way

[thick lake]

for this guide? sure
that being said i was also asked for my builds so i dunno why youre hyperfocused on the dmg part

[noble haven]

tbh we're derailing. should probably drop it.

I wasn;'t

i was focused on you laughing

lmao

I think i didn't get the intention across

[thick lake]

doesnt change the fact that i would still laugh

[noble haven]

yea. its just bad vibes and negative air

[glacial siren]

Fun boss

Qj tll wawa shark suomi lotta

[ionic hazel]

47% left with qj suomi shark wa ksenia lvl 45

guess ill wait for a couple levels

cant brute force without and sigs or dupes

[spring vapor]

Who your 6th lotta?

[spring vapor]

Or vep? Or someone else

[ionic hazel]

o yea lotta

[spring vapor]

Can you 2 shot the adds with lotta

[ionic hazel]

yea ez

btw when the boss gets broken, i think it only gets 50% dmg buff if you exploit phase weakness

[spring vapor]

Well if Lotta kills the adds first there should be no problem

[ionic hazel]

ye im just saying its not any hit like the guide implies

[spring vapor]

I dunno… the skill description says any hit I’ll check again

Ah yeah you’re right, I’ll update to reflect that. I never noticed because you’d want Lotta to kill the adds first regardless for phase weakness bonus damage

Thanks

[ionic hazel]

ye i autod with suomi and was like wheres my buff

i was stacking the buff with suomi + ksenia then lotta afterwards

since the 50% buff goes up to 5 stacks but ele weakness bonus is only 80%

[spring vapor]

If you're still stuck may I suggest a Vepley over Ksenia just to apply the vuln debuff

[ionic hazel]

i need the healing too im pretty sure

no v1 suomi

[spring vapor]

In my guild I helped someone he had V0 Suomi and V0 Maki he was 10% off from getting there, survivability was not the issue, it turns out his Sharkry was not geared lol

How are you aggro juggling?

[ionic hazel]

what lvl

[spring vapor]

45

[ionic hazel]

usually just tank with suomi or ksenia

does he have gold guns

[spring vapor]

only on qj everyone else was purple

[ionic hazel]

o nice

i only tried once since we got 10 days left im just chillin

can prob optimize the final bit

[next flare]

Did 32% without QJ, Nemesis is the key actually

[spring vapor]

Did your Lotta one shot the adds?

[next flare]

2-shot

[spring vapor]

ah right Neme still works she applies her thing to 2 targets

[next flare]

could probably use Vepley instead for extra debuff but she needs more precise debuff cleansing to 2-shot

[next flare]

yeah, just position her correctly

[heady gulch]

Invested veppy can oneshot the adds

Then you just stability break as hard as you can to keep the boss in a stun loop

[keen roost]

for those that can 2 shot the pillars with lotta can you show your lotta stats?

[spring vapor]

1.5k atk no crit, but I cannot show because I upgraded her gear since

Could be a bit lower

[keen roost]

should u be using ur skills on QJ or using ult?

[spring vapor]

Depends if you can proc all 4 support attacks in 1 turn

[keen roost]

finally got it done 1250atk lotta

[spring vapor]

👏

[keen roost]

i realized that using both skills when the boss is down and bringing up her atk so QJ doesnt need to throw knife made the diff

then throwing suomi ult at turn 14 before he does the most painful AOE also made the diff i used to wait till after he AOE then cleanse but on the last AOE shields were more important

[strange mauve]

made a vid to use nemesis instead of qj because I don't have her https://youtu.be/A2v3ccoA8CQ

[spring vapor]

Added roster alternatives, thanks

[unborn skiff]

I just wanna ask who's a good alt for TLL (No TLL) or Vepley (Underdeveloped). I have V0 QJ with sig, V1 Wawa with sig, V0 Suomi, Lotta, Sharky (LVL 50 for these 5 units). I was thinking v1 Sab with no sig (lvl 46) to alternate aggro between her and Suomi but the DPS might not be enough

[unborn skiff]

Nvm I just needed some coffee to clear it

[stoic salmon]

If I can't get Lotta to 2 shot the pillars, should I focus on increasing her stats?

[ionic hazel]

Yes Lotta is good for pva and drill anyways

[woven stream]

Who can trigger phase damage on support attacks other than QJ?

(So far my main team has been Lotta, Mosin, TLL, and Nem, which isn't conducive to that particular mission)

[spring vapor]

Who’s your 6 woman team for this boss

[woven stream]

I'm still trying to raise some others. Best I can do at the moment is TLL, Mosin, Nem, Lotta, Sharky, and Suomi to tank

(all SRRs V0)

I technically have wawa but she needs a lot of investment

I do own everyone besides QJ and Ullrid so surely I have an option though

[spring vapor]

No wa?

Mosin is ass for this fight

Wa is way better

[woven stream]

Time to sink some puzzles into wa then

[spring vapor]

WA also sees much more use and is one of the top 3 DPS as of now (QJ, TLL, Wa)

[mental gust]

@spring vapor

[spring vapor]

yes?

[mental gust]

Do you have the req stat for the characters

I brought tololo, qj, wa and yet not enough dmg

[spring vapor]

who's the rest of your team

[mental gust]

Unbuild sharkry, suomi v1 and veypley

[spring vapor]

Is your Vepley cracked enough to 2 shot the adds?

[mental gust]

Like 10% short

Tololo 1k7 atk, wa 2k, qj 1k8, veyley 1k6

I got to 45% at best

[spring vapor]

Yeah that's your main issue I feel

You need to 2 shot the adds

That's why in this guide I recommend Lotta

And Lotta + Vep if 1 isn't enough

If you don't have Lotta

Scuffed but maaaaybe Littara but that's real desparate

[mental gust]

Should i build lotta or go and farm gears for veypley then

My lotta is still at lv 1

[spring vapor]

You have TLL Wa and QJ I doubt you have any problems clearing, atk is fine

[spring vapor]

Since your Lotta is uninvested I think it may be easier to make your Vepley stronger

Prioritize atk and atk% for attachments not crit

and if you're willing make her neural helix maxed

You want her common key anyway

[mental gust]

Wait her common key is that good?

I didn't expect that

Thank you🐸❤️

[spring vapor]

Vep's common key is free 7% damage since enemies in this game have low move

[spring vapor]

I will beg for likes thanks

on this guide

[stable cobalt]

low move in this mode ? or whole game

[spring vapor]

All enemies

I mean I dunno how long you’ve played but I’m very sure the number of times a non-beepy enemy has moved any more than 4 tiles in 1 go is countable on 1 hand

[stable cobalt]

tbh never really care abt enemy movement in this game yet

[native burrow]

I need advice to improve my damage. Currently running Sharkry, wa, ksenia, lotta, suomi, and krolik. So far, I've been able to end the mission with 48% hp left.

Im not really sure how else i can improve it other that slowly leveling them up.

[spring vapor]

You need Nemesis

If you have no QJ

Otherwise you have no def down debuff

You have Suomi anyway so get rid of Ksenia and put in Neme

[native burrow]

I see, ill see what i can do with what i have left

[next flare]

madlad in my platoon made it without Nemesis and QJ, so it's possible. Just extra hard

[spring vapor]

Yeahhh but that would be less of a guide recommendation and more of masochism, not exactly what I’d do

[spring vapor]

Plus it just means all their other dps are just that cracked

I’m assuming they used Mosin but Neme is better unless Mosin V4 and up

[next flare]

yeah, Mosin

[slender frigate]

what stat levels are we aiming for? i have qj v0, suomi v0, maki v0, sharkry v0, lotta v6, vepley v0 but i dont have any gold weapons

[next flare]

buying a golden melody in the fragments shop is worth it

[slender frigate]

i dont have enough currency for that unfortunately

[native burrow]

OK i got Wa v1 and also got neme's key! i wanna see how much i can improve this now!!

im assuming, i dont really need to improve neme's damage that much right? i just need the debuff?

[native burrow]

yes... 42%... so close... ill continue tomorrow. Thank you for the advice!

[stoic salmon]

I feel like I have a decent team, but I'm barely beating 60%
Sharkry (V6 lv46) 1152 atk
Makiatto (V1 lv46) 1647 atk
Lotta (V6 lv45) 1362 atk
Suomi (V1 lv47) 1463 atk
Qj (V0 lv48) 2043 atk with sig
Tll (V0 lv46) 1663 atk with sig

Is it my strategy that's not working or is my team just underlevelled?
On the stun turn, Qj ult, Suomi to clear debuffs when necessary, Lotta to ult and then s1 to finish off the totems, Sharkry do whetever, Tll shoot and proc extra turn when possible and finish with Wa S1

It takes me 2 turns to stab break - I can't imagine how to get it in 1

[spring vapor]

On turns where you expect to stab brak, move Lotta last. Then she will S3 - S2. That way the next turn when the robot is stunned you can S3-S1 or S3 - basic

2 turn stab break is normal

I dunno about 40% but your team should definitely be beating 60%

[stoic salmon]

yup, that's what I've been doing

So is it just that my team is too low levelled?

[spring vapor]

Nvm that Sharkry attack is ASS

[stoic salmon]

Yeah, I had a feeling she was my weakest link...

[spring vapor]

Does your QJ have def down key

And Maki have murderous intent key

[stoic salmon]

yeah, I have the def down key, but not murderous intent

Which one is murderous intent?

[spring vapor]

Can’t remember I think key 5

[stoic salmon]

Ah, yeah, found it

Should that be my focus then?

or do something with sharkry?

[spring vapor]

1.1K atk Sharkry is your focus

Make her like 1.6k at least

[stoic salmon]

I hope I have enough time to lol

[spring vapor]

Max out the neural helixes

Do not focus on attachments too much

[stoic salmon]

About that... I only have 1 info core left

[spring vapor]

You spent them on Maki QJ and TLL?

[stoic salmon]

I spent them randomly because I didn't know how rare they were lol

[spring vapor]

Ok that is a problem

[stoic salmon]

I did max out QJ and TLL though

[spring vapor]

With this TBH you should be getting at least 60% or less

[stoic salmon]

yeah, I managed to do it, but was pretty difficult

[spring vapor]

Are you cleansing atk down? Suomi should be the one getting hit

[stoic salmon]

yeah, Suomi's face tanking

The rewards aren't that great anyway, so I'm okay not getting the last bit, but if it's possible, it would be a fun goal

[spring vapor]

Gameplay wise I don’t see anything you’re doing wrong

So I guess you’re just getting DPS checked

[stoic salmon]

that's good to know at least, thanks

[slender frigate]

the attack stats for them are currently:
qj v0 2090
suomi v0 1704
maki v0 2238
sharkry v0 1658
lotta v6 1077
vepley v0 778

[noble haven]

I think the benchmark is that you'd need to have a way to reliably clear the weakness spawns.

Your stats look pretty solid.

[slender frigate]

seems like in my case i might need to upgrade lotta and vepley then since everyone here is talking about talking the adds out with an aoe attack

[noble haven]

Yea. That seems to be your best bet.

[spring vapor]

Lowest someone did it with was a 1.25k Lotta

[floral ember]

Can Sabrina replace Lotta or you really need Lotta?

[spring vapor]

Unless your Sabrina has 3-4k attack, Lotta or a cracked Vepley is necessary

Because the adds need to be killed in 2 turns

[spring vapor]

Any more and you lose substantial DPS

[floral ember]

Idk how cracked my vepley is but I needed vepley + sabrina to kill the adds in 2 turns but then I wasn't meeting the dps check

[spring vapor]

Sabrina is ass in this fight

As much as possible this fight should be 5 DPS 1 Suomi, with a way to 2 shot the adds (Usually with Lotta, but possible with Vepley too)

[floral ember]

Damn 😔

I'm like a little shy from 2shotting with vepley

Don't know how to funnel more power into her

[spring vapor]

Helix

Unlock her common key

You should have enough time

[floral ember]

Ight, bet

[spring vapor]

Don’t spend too much on attachments

[floral ember]

I notice sometimes the boss has the global aoe in his queue but then he skips that rotation, anh idea what's causing that?

[spring vapor]

His stun animation

[thick lake]

endorsed by ceia

[smoky magnet]

do the pillars have to be destroyed the moment they appear? my vep can destroy them but need 2 casts of ult

[spring vapor]

The pinned message says you can 2 shot. Just make sure you hit them on the same turn you stab break, then immediately again on the stun turn

[smoky magnet]

Oh same as what Ive been doing, thanks! Seems like I lack dps
Does the damage buff only benefit elemental damages? Most of my damages are physical (qj v1)

[spring vapor]

What’s your roster

[smoky magnet]

QJ V1 sig
Suomi V1 purple suomi
Tololo sig
Sharkry giorno
Nemesis samsek
Veply V1 event weapon
all lv50

I have wawa in the dorms, waiting for when I get more cores...

[spring vapor]

Your Vep Vep can 2 shot the adds you should be ok

[smoky magnet]

yeah Ill just get some more commander level and try again later

[twin shell]

thnx for the guide, lotta is the way

[spring vapor]

Your QJ has def down key?

[spring vapor]

Hoorayyy

[spring vapor]

Make sure to like comment and subscribe

Thx

[smoky magnet]

yes

[spring vapor]

You should be fine even by just naturally levelling up, but what’s your Wa level? i think she’s better than Sharkry as long as Wa has murderous intent key

[twin shell]

for other ppl reference
V0 R0 QJ lvl 48 2k atk, all my good keys
V0 R0 Maki lvl 49 1.9k atk, cope purple keys
V5 BP Sharkry lvl 47 1.7k atk, blue keys
V0 4* Suomi 1.4k atk
Lotta 1.5k atk
V4 Cheetah w Ksenia key

i don't think my combat stats are anything extraordinary. it really is just making sure lotta can 2shot the spawns like guide says. focus on maximizing stab break, and managing skill CD so all of the uptime is during the 1 out of 3 turns boss is vulnerable

[smoky magnet]

wawa is at 40
mayyybe I can level her up, let me check how much time I got left

[spring vapor]

IMO don’t show the combat eff and then atk, that’s misleading, better make it uniform like all attack since Combat eff doesn’t say much

[spring vapor]

For others using this, Cheeta is good in this boss fight though seeing that she doesn’t have much viability elsewhere, if she is not already invested in, it may be better to just put in a Vepley for Vulnerable 2 debuff, or another DPS.

[alpine kestrel]

Hi all, I've brought the titan down to 36-39% health in multiple runs but it wont give me the suppressive mission completion. Is there anything I may be doing wrong?

[spring vapor]

Unsure what you mean? What is this suppressive mission completion? Are you perhaps referring to tactical score?

Oh

Uhh I hope not but are you perhaps doing this?

[spring vapor]

That x39 means how many health bars they have left, but they have 52% hp

[alpine kestrel]

Oh I may have been confused by that. Guess I got to grind more levels then.

Thank you.

[dusky ridge]

Thanks goodenzo
Do you know how the for each phase weakness aquired this way +20% def works? Does suomi work with or against this?
Do I want 1 of each element or?

[spring vapor]

I don’t quite understand what is this +20% def you mean

Suomi’s forced ice weakness will stay on the boss when you S3

No you don’t want 1 of each element, you just want 1-2 more Ice units to spam proc Suomi

[dusky ridge]

nm I just cant read apperently, it lowers its atk not increase its defense (per phase)

[distant bloom]

thx for the guide OP, helped me get down to 51%, but can you give me advice on what I can improve here? My main issue rn is 2 shotting the adds but I can invest a bit more into lotta, but idk if i should spend the last day trying to get vepley up. What do you think would be better? Here's what I have rn:

• Wawa V1, 2206 Att, 155% CD, 51% CR
• Suomi V1, 1925 Att
• Sharkry V4, 1209 Att, 160% CD, 28% CR
• QJ V0 2331 Att, 120% CD, 30% CR

As for the other 2, I've been running Neme and Lotta, but I haven't invested much into Neme

• Neme V6, 1465 Att, 126% CD, 40% CR
• Lotta V6, 1363 Att (just upgraded b4 typing this)

My Vepley is at lvl 30 rn with no neural investment, but I do have her signature weapon slotted onto Lotta. Should I spend the last day investing into Lotta or Vepley? I have a good amount of access keys I can burn through to get vepley up to at least lvl 50 i think.

Additionally, I can invest into Cheeta (lvl 47 V6) or Ksenia (lvl 45 V6) for their dmg buffs, but from what i've been reading in this thread, applying debuffs to the boss seems to be more important

[spring vapor]

I see you’ve done your research well!

Someone has done it with even less Lotta attack, so I think your Lotta is sufficient, especially with Vepley Sig.

There are 2 improvements I see:

1. Improve Sharkry. 1.2k attack is miserable; she’s worth it in the long run to invest in anyway

2. Replace Nemesis with Vepley.
   Nemesis (who only has 1.4k atk) becomes redundant since QJ has def down anyway. Instead, Vepley’s Vuln 2 debuff stacks with QJ’s def down. You want to level up Vepley to level 40 anyway because her common key will be useful down the line. In a sense, Vepley is “buffing” your other DPS by making the boss take more damage. Mine was also level 40 when I attempted this.

Her rotation is just S3 - basic - S3, and so on, she can also hit all adds if you aim dead center at the tank, if in case your Lotta needs help.

Some more things to make sure:
Your QJ has def down key

Your Maki has murderous intent key

Suomi is always in range to apply Avalanche debuff passively

[distant bloom]

Thanks! Yeah I forgot QJ had def down 2 as one of her keys, oops. One more question, should I keep vepley's sig on Lotta or put it on Vepley?

[spring vapor]

You need Lotta to 2 shot so it’s best to keep it on Lotta

Also if only now you realize you had no def down key I think that was the biggest problem since that reduces the boss def by 1.8k XD

[meager wharf]

we need to clear barrel first ?

for QJ always use her ult every turn ?

[spring vapor]

Yes, as soon as the pillars fall Lotta must S3 them

They must be 2-shot-able

[spring vapor]

Generally yes however on turns where you will only get 3 attack procs you may want to S1

[meager wharf]

i cant reach 39% last run
i 'm planing to use QJ sharky ksenia suomi waa lotta
but i dont know how to use ksenia, she is focus on buffing QJ ? if yes she will not attack it's worth doing that ?

[spring vapor]

IMO Vepley is better than ksenia, but if your Vep is not invested Ksenia is alright.

Your Ksenia can buff Wa or QJ. Most of the time QJ needs to S3 for more damage

What are the stats of your units?

You need to kill them

Also this doesn't tell me anything, I need to see their attack value and weapon equipped

[spring vapor]

Something like this

[austere basin]

good that i checked inhere, mosin bad for this, got it. i always got never got under 42% (did kesenia instead of now lotta), just did the first run with lotta and still only got to 43%.

here are screens of my failed attempt + quick combat effectiveness score

will be replacing mosin now, need to check what do cause i disassembled some guns (that were calibrated) of units i dont use that often, so veplay is worse rn...

i need to get the 60 gems for my last wa banner pull, lost all 5050s this time, just praying for really early ssr

i really wanted wa v2 because of +1 overwatch

ksenia v2 also using R4 lvl 32 curva because i did use colphene at some point, maybe disassemble for xp + lvl up stechkin?

gonna do veplay, fuck it

[spring vapor]

I need to see your whole team’s stats

[spring vapor]

!

[austere basin]

yeah, ok wait a sec

ksenia looking better then veplay rn but i have some mats i can use

[spring vapor]

Your stats are way more than enough to clear

I reckon even with mosin

I think you may be forgetting some keys or misplaying

Make sure was has murderous intent and qj has def down

[spring vapor]

And make sure lotta can 2 shot the adds, finishing them on the turn he gets stunned

[austere basin]

prolly that

[austere basin]

was already this way

[spring vapor]

I think your error may be that you’re not hitting in ascending order

When he gets stunned you start by killing the adds (Lotta S3 + S1) then hit him starting from the weakest unit and move up from there

[spring vapor]

Take note Lotta should have hit the adds the turn prior

[austere basin]

can you explain the weakest first?

[austere basin]

yeah i got that, i read a bit in this thread before posting, s3,s2 and then s3 again and hopefully that kills the adds

[austere basin]

ohhhh

now i get it, i didnt before

[spring vapor]

I put that in bold because it’s the most important mechanic, because while stunned, he takes 50% more damage for each successive phase weakness hit

So you go from weakest to strongest

To maximize the amplifier

[austere basin]

ok sure. I have enough doll mats for either lotta lvl 50 or veplay lvl 49

[spring vapor]

Lotta is good enough no need for Vep

I just happened to use Vep

[austere basin]

but vep def down should do more then mosin, right?

*vulnerable does 20%dmg increase not def down

[spring vapor]

Unsure not a math whiz, but if you do want vepley no need to level her, she does the same job anyway since she just wants to apply vuln 2

[austere basin]

ok sure, ill do lotta lvl 50 rn

[spring vapor]

Good luck

[austere basin]

thank you, gonna ignore veplay gun and won't level it, will see what'll happen haha

so sad that mosin isn't really that useful with bosses because i like mosin

to make sure lotta kills the stupid things in two turns im gonna spend all weapon mats for lvl 46, should be fine, right?

[spring vapor]

That should be fine

You want lotta for an eventual boss at level 50 anyway

The corssroads thing

[austere basin]

Completed it with 35%, could have done better but didn't care after hitting 39%, let 5 dolls die

(i got a blue with the resulting pull yippie)

but yeah I totally forgot about crossroad challenges today, maybe I can clear something, kinda doubt that tho (i need to check how to do the tumor boss, i was completely overwhelmed)

big thank you for this guide!!

[distant bloom]

Just re-attempted today and got the boss down to 33% after getting Sharkry better attachments and lvling her gun, as well as making sure i was running def down on QJ lol, and I just wanted to say thanks again for the guide

[spring vapor]

Don’t bother attempting tumor boss until you’re level 60, trust me I malded so hard

[austere basin]

i actually did get it

[spring vapor]

3rd phase is impossible

You have to deal with 2 of them

[austere basin]

yeah nor eveb thinking about 3rd phase haha

[austere basin]

(i got rewarded with krolik v6 on my final wa banner roll 🥴)

i still want to be consoled because of my 3 lost 5050s. just wanted v2

[spring vapor]

It’s ok mr atomic number 56

[woeful carbon]

I killed the first tumor boss below 55 :x

[spring vapor]

Try phase 3

[woeful carbon]

Couldn’t kill phase 2 why bother xD

[final rain]

how do you guys do the phase weakness support attack thing who do you use

or do we just ignore that

[spring vapor]

Unsure what you mean?

The boss gains weaknesses anyway after you kill the adds so really anyone

[potent matrix]

took me a while to figure it out, since I only have access to support attacks that do physical damage, and you can only apply elemental weaknesses to the boss, but yeah like OP mentioned, the Fortress Devices the boss spawns come with bullet type weaknesses, kill them and those weaknesses transfer to the boss so your support attacks can start counting towards the total

[final rain]

yeah i just saw that, was wondering who tf had elemental support attacks until i killed the adds

[shadow oar]

tried following this with restrictions and yeah can say that ksen's ult and s1 are really good, moreso if shes at the proper fortification to get another action support

trying to get the full 105 down within 2 turns is a pain in the ass, and for some reason lotta is inconsistent with regards to ulting the 4 towers, some die, all die, sometimes none die

[spring vapor]

Prolly because your Lotta doesn’t have enough attack and is critting sometimes

[shadow oar]

whats the attack needed? i have 2315 and that was with squeezing out attachments the best i could

[spring vapor]

Huh?

[shadow oar]

also just getting this out of the way

[spring vapor]

The guide suggests 2 shotting

Not 1 shotting

[shadow oar]

😂

[spring vapor]

Oh you were trying to 1 shot

[shadow oar]

been trying for a while with groza/nem/colph/lotta/ksen/wa and ive been able to get to mid 50s left, it's pretty rough but for what it is it still works trying to tailor the guide

trying to find a balance of wanting more dps at the cost of taking 4 turns a break, vs breaking in 3 turns but having bad dps

gonna try again with 2 shot though because ive been playing with the intention of 1 shotting the towers with lotta

[spring vapor]

Not reading smh nowhere did I say 1 shot

[shadow oar]

for personal reasons i refuse to use suomi and i dont have qj so i tried to push the living shit out of what i already had and the tiny tease of barely being able to 1 shot with lotta ult made me want to give it a go

i understand the guide says lotta qj suomi are essential but damn it that aint stopping me from trying

[spring vapor]

It’s Suomi who is most irreplaceable

Lotta can be replaced by Vepley but why invest so much when Lotta is a better DPS

QJ can be replaced by Neme for def down

[shadow oar]

[stoic harbor]

in projection event, need to kill titan to get full rewards or I can redo the stage?

[toxic stag]

Hi my team is lv35

[dim orchid]

@stoic harbor redo

@toxic stag gg

[woeful carbon]

You get it to 39%

[spring vapor]

39% also plz read the guide before asking

[toxic stag]

how mamy levels am I short

[woeful carbon]

Like 15

[spring vapor]

Plz like and subscribe thx

[woeful carbon]

Wait short for what ?

[toxic stag]

levels

[stoic harbor]

I already got all the mission points

[toxic stag]

xp

[dim orchid]

Okay so I always use qj ult unless he is stunned

And do I need to try and time when I kill adds?

Or just before he gets stability broken again (before new adds spawn)

[spring vapor]

In terms of tactical points yes just redo

[dim orchid]

I got to 41% hp with lvl 40 units

[stoic harbor]

yes tactical points, aight thanks

[woeful carbon]

1800?

[stoic harbor]

no, missing the tactical points

score*

[woeful carbon]

U have 1 hr and 30 mins left to do it

[stoic harbor]

yeah

[spring vapor]

BRUH READ EVERY SINGLE QUESTION HERE IS ANSWERABLE BY THE GUIDE

You need to hit them once the moment he gets stab break, then kill the turn he gets stunned

[woeful carbon]

Reading is hard

[dim orchid]

Sorry I can't read fast enough 🙏

Do I need to time suomi ult?

I saw you mention I could do it during stun but

Am I supposed to just save it for then?

[spring vapor]

You need to spam it every time to stay alive in general, but if you can afford to wait, it’s best to do it on turns where he is stunned to cleanse the attack down. That way you deal huge damage

[spring vapor]

If you won’t die sure, but generally you need to stay alive

[dim orchid]

Does it make a difference if it is on stability break turn.

[spring vapor]

FUCKING READ BRO

[woeful carbon]

Boss does debuff you so cast her ult to cleanse the debuff after boss stunt

[spring vapor]

That thing in bold, what happens if your units are all attack down and you attack him at that state?

Compared to if they didn’t have attack down?

[dim orchid]

😭

[woeful carbon]

Breath

[spring vapor]

Huh?

[woeful carbon]

It was a joke as in calm down

[dim orchid]

Do you know how many turn it takes for suomi ult to recharge?

[woeful carbon]

You do and test it out

[spring vapor]

From the first turn she casts it, 2 turns, then 3, then 2

[dim orchid]

Ya it did feel like it changed

[woeful carbon]

It cd faster the first time

[dim orchid]

Okay thanks guys

I'll do my best

[dreamy current]

managed to clear stage 5 using wa v1 (no sig), lotta, sabrina, suomi v1, tololo v0, sharkry v6

im lv 56 though. made it way easier.

[dim orchid]

But not sure I'll make it 😅

Ya levels may make it easier

[dreamy current]

just tried to level as much as i can before it ended lol

coz i have no qj

[woeful carbon]

V1 Maki is the main dmg

[dreamy current]

it wouldve been way easier if i had qj