Guide to Whaling by Yang

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[low meadow]

Quick Questions:

1. Do items like the Journey Logs listed on the spreadsheet include the CT first-purchase bonus?
2. Does the Weapon Pack $/TPA include the value of the weapon selector?
3. Are you planning to update this post as long as you are actvely playing this game?

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1. No because Journey Logs lasts forever and while it requires CTs you can gain CTs by buying monthly contract with 300 CTs each month meaning in 4 months you can buy Journey Logs paid track (You can stack up to 60 days of monthly contract)

2. Absolutely not because you cannot quantify the value of said weapon

3. Yes, to clarify if somebody wants to take over as it happened in other gachas i am more than willing to share everything that i have, i only stepped up to this task because nobody ever did.

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Am i sorry i did not see that pack

Can u link an image

[final bone]

@fallen arrow

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Its very good

How did i miss it

I think they added it later

Because i can swear to God i did not have it a few hours ago

[sacred snow]

i just followed the guide. how should I use the coins? For pulls or save it up for the hidden secret treasure?

[fallen arrow]

Which coins?

[sacred snow]

my bad credit tokens

oh my bad you answered that partially?

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In my opinion and that just me, you should save them and accumulate them with monthlies to then buy the Journey Logs paid track

Which is in the event tabs

[sacred snow]

Gotcha thanks!

[fallen arrow]

Np

[stoic mason]

There's no f2p access to CT like there was for Gems right?

[delicate hollow]

No

On cn, they gave out 600 for free for nys but who knows if thatll happen again

[stoic mason]

Understood. Unfortunate, but thanks for the news.

Guess it's a game of buying the cheapest coin packs to get costumes then.

[mystic osprey]

Hmm the credit token packs that are standard give a bonus still after first time 2x. This isn't listed in your spreadsheet. I think it ups their value slightly.

[candid granite]

hi, I made a spreadsheet with more calculations about the packages.
my approach was Credit Tokens / $, instead of $ / TAP
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wV9u_dks-_FVocz5du7FSQE6p5pV29bZkBcMRQmSOh0

[candid granite]

where did you get this one?

[delicate hollow]

Check your event page

[candid granite]

oh its in the rookie tab

[fallen arrow]

Yes somebody gave me a screenshot and i had a cn whale give me another screentshot i will update the list tomorrow with the HaoPlay version since they gonna give out the EU prices as well

🙏

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Not really no

Buying the skins directly is cheaper than buying the tokens

When you go to buy skin you have the option of buying the directly rather than using CTs and that had a far better value than buying CT packs

[final bone]

I guess its to incentivize people to spend more $ rather than buying only with CT hoarded from monthly card

What is CT even used for besides outfits / journey logs / converting to collapse pieces?

[stoic mason]

Shame the soft handed approach of gems felt very reasonable.

[fallen arrow]

Yes and some special packs that are basically worthless

The point of converting real money to CTs is a way to desensitize people from spending as the average spender wouldn't go all the out to calculate the conversion and would fall for this trap making them more prone to buy bad packages

[small mason]

Doing whale's work.

[fallen arrow]

The way they also divide CTs and CPs its the same logic

Why can't you use CPs to buy costumes and other stuff

Because that wouldn't be profitable

Its all marketing strategies made by people so smart that they understood that the only way to make a living and become rich is to take advantage of other people frail mentality and limited knowladge

[small mason]

So for the chart what should you look at to know bang for buck? It's mostly for pulls anyways right

CP/TAP/AP value?

[fallen arrow]

Just look at the lowest cost per ticket on the right

[small mason]

Cost per TPA, lower the better right?

[final bone]

yes, the $ column for now as euro is not updated (will be updated with haoplay release i guess)

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^

[small mason]

Thank you

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This thread will be deleted btw

Will move it to #1309568280700387400

Tomorrow

Along with the updated chart

[candid granite]

oh might as well post my sheet there too

[dense pewter]

Pointing out that it might be only true if you're ONLY interesting in purchasing the skin. If you are looking into having extra, for instance, buying 100$ worth of currency and using part of it to buy the skin, then you'd get more TPA per $ no ?

[fallen arrow]

No because as of now Credit Tokens are an extremely bad deal

And you only have limited use for them

[dense pewter]

alright

[stoic mason]

Seems like the bogo CT sale right now would be worth it though?

[fallen arrow]

This one is very good @stoic mason

But for some reason i missed it yesterday

But that about it, the raw CT packs are not worth it in fact they should only be purchased as a last resort

[final bone]

yea I bought it before the monthly card

[fallen arrow]

Oh sorry i pinged

Didn't mean to

[valid oracle]

where is this option lol

[final bone]

Shop/Trading Post -> Quality Selection -> Beginner Package

[valid oracle]

mmmmmaybe its not a Haoplay thing :x

[final bone]

maybe, or maybe it appears later after some progress. Because even Yang says he missed it at first

[valid oracle]

oh hey its there

think you just have to complete chapter 1

or reach lvl 10, because a bunch of stuff unlocks afterwards

[torn pond]

I noticed Patrol doesn't include the 4 tickets, or the potentially 110 you get from the boxes

With both included it pushes the hunter's path one right above the recruitment boxes II

[spark tendon]

should I buy the recruitment gift box 2 ?

[candid granite]

oh i mentioned about the 4 tickets in the italic note right above it.
however i cannot include it in consideration for purchaser order.
it depends how much the user players, if they can even reach it at all

[torn pond]

I understand not putting it in the purchase order, and i did see the italic, but you should include the tickets and cp from the track in the calculation for the people that know their are gonna get the rewards, because otherwise the numbers are very misleading: the 20.99 version looks to be about 90% as good for the money like this, which would be reasonable for the profile ribbon, but it's actually 68% as efficient which is much much worse value. Just saying "imo only, this one is worth. up to you" when the numbers are this close doesn't feel justified at face value even though it's completely correct if you do include everything

[candid granite]

i might add additional rows for "fully claimed" rewards, like the one i did with "Monthly Crystal Contract" that had a duplicate row for its discounted value

[torn pond]

As an aside dunno if you looked at the BP quests, but it's really trivial stuff, if you are logging in 30 days consecutively to get all of the rewards from the monthly card i don't think expecting someone to add 2 or 3 clicks to their dailies for half of that time is really assuming that much extra play time

[candid granite]

i did buy BP for another game once, but only logged in 2 days the whole time.
the format of having unclaimed and claimed rewards shows both extremes. we cant put any other expectation on players

thanks for the suggestion, i updated the sheet accordingly

though im not sure if it's just 165 collapse from BP, i checked the boxes quickly

might have missed some

[torn pond]

It's just 110, 11 boxes 10 each form the paid upgrade

[candid granite]

oh thats right, coz the 5 collapse from the top line are also for free user

[torn pond]

yep

[candid granite]

thanks

[torn pond]

Also i think adding something like this to the lucky bags would be useful

[candid granite]

good idea

[torn pond]

And maybe including specifically Lucky bag I+II in the purchase order because they are really good only if you get both I and II

[candid granite]

hmm they're already side by side there anyways

but i it's 180.24, it must go above [Elite Weapon Gift Box]

actually you're right. combining them might be required.
what if someone stops spending right at Lucky Bag I, they wont get the actual worth

[torn pond]

Exactly what i was thinking

[candid granite]

coz I is just up there because it's required for II

[torn pond]

yep

[candid granite]

i added a note on hover for more info about it. thanks

[torn pond]

Thank you for making notice the five day feedback contract, would have never bought it otherwise

[candid granite]

i learned it the hard way and already got contract before seeing it ❤️‍🔥

[balmy nacelle]

hi, what does 2x mult means ?

[final bone]

its the first time 2x purchase bonus on tokens

where you get double CT for every of those packs first time

[balmy nacelle]

ahh i see

thankss

this one right?

[final bone]

yes

[balmy nacelle]

thanks

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For clarification i did not include the free track rewards inside the calculation as obv as it sounds those are free so you are not really purchasing them along with the paid track

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[upper valley]

is the 49.99$ weapon crate expires? it says limited but no date

[hardy minnow]

Beginner packages never expire

[upper valley]

thanks 👍

any future packs to look out for?

[hardy minnow]

Currently in CN there is no new beginner packages

But i will check back on CN anni

And see if they refresh

Or new anni packages

[hardy minnow]

EN has the same packages as CN

[upper valley]

got it

[umbral geyser]

Is BP only good enough?

[raw yacht]

Depends, but kind of?

Pretty sure everything is clearable with starting characters

You spend if you want your characters to be stronger

[umbral geyser]

I see, thanks

[hardy minnow]

2nd most valuable just before Monthly pass

Get it for Gold weapon (AR highly recommended), Cores (extremely rare), Pulls, Gifts, etc

[umbral geyser]

oh