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Everybody is obviously not pleased with the way we got this shitty dorm gacha system
So who knows maybe mica will throw us a bone here


'guys, we didnt expect anyone to be upset over this, alright'
'heres a bunch of ticket, now be happy'
man I wish mica would double down on this gacha
those ungrateful f2p shits need to be taught a lesson on economics
all skins should be locked behind gachas
all interaction should be sold seperate
I am totally not sponsored by EA or MHY

they know how to make money tho, ill give them that
its kinda smart of them to wait until the last day to give out infos on the gacha
ppl would have less time to organize countermeasure and by the time it happens, most ppl that could really hurt them in the pocket would already pulled all the skins
on that note tho
they clearly knew from the beginning how this would end
since dorm update was the main focus of that stream they did and the most importance details was conveniently left out until the very last day
It's clear they predicted this
Both the whales and peasants' reactions
But what's next
gacha for gacha
no more selector banners
you role gacha to see what character you can get to pull
cooking recipes unlocked from gacha
maybe even common key gacha 
I killed the boss with an 81-day account 
Thank you, Snows, for your broken AK-15 
Oh wait, that was Rex’s AK-15 
Thank you, Rex.

Even if we join as top 100 guild
Can we tell people here to stop spending
I've been on this boat since day 1 karnma
i'm a veteran
or so I wish, holy fuck I've spent so much money on this Closed beta
It's mica's fault
They gave people a sense of united
Now they are going to unionize
The horror
the one thing I REALLY don't agree it the refund part
its a weird grey area
where If u where willing to spend money and get scammed willingly
that's on u bro
I mean
yuh
i dont see a "refund skins" section in the newest version of the declaration
which version are you guys looking at?
im looking at the reddit post on gfl2
maybe I miss read it

yea the only thing with "refund" is wawa's skin
(the interaction)
it doesnt really have a price per se
It costs 1080. And andoris's is 980
its crazy
Very similar price to the coin costs
So presumably Mica thinks that a skin with interaction on gold tier should cost about 30 usd or 40
oh you mean in the weird exchange tokens
This one I'm legit sad about
Just plain numbers
well the expected exchange tokens per pull is around 22
bro in snowbreak u pay 1/4 of the price and u get 3 times the animations and interactions
plus u get married lmao
insane lmao
no one gonna pay that much
Now that is just a theory
Bc in the case of Andoris. 980 should be the price of that skin in coin
Purple tier with no parts
1080/22=49.09...
times that by 12 and divide by 7.2 you get 82 dollars
yea i dont think 30-40 is a good estimate
No. I meant is that if we take the 1080 but in coin
Put on top of whatever that skin costs
That should be the price mica wanted to put on that type of product
but the 1080 doesnt work that way
They should have just put the skin in the shop at the price of the SF legendary skin
the new skin doubloons are worth about 0.54 cny each
I know it doesn't work that way
And let us low spenders try to fish for it in the gacha and if we didn't get to spend $$$ to buy outright
But hypothetically speaking if mica were to put the skin in package instead of that
Also it's bc they want to double dip on an old products

Af is 21
Sf is 21
Direct purchase
And to be frank
An aspect no one has mentioned
Mica seems to not understand how the internet works
Or outright ignored it
They just had controversies on global servers. And people all over the world will know this
its a tradition at this point
They knew it is bad
There is only so much before people will feel fed up and leave
Can they wait like. 2 more months before doing another bad takes
arknight endfield will destroy us
also im pretty sure you arent able to get all the stuff you want with skin doubloons with just hard pity anyways
the andoris skin is 1k and the wawa interaction is 1k
that depends on your luck tbh
and youve still got like half a dozen components and avatar decorations to go
well the EV is 22/pull
It shouldn't be like that in the first place
ye, Im not justifying it
just saying that the data is maximum luck related
and youre then stuck between a rock and a hard place

What can I say
if you decide to pull more you might even get the andoris skin through pulls
and thats why there is so much literal garbage in the exchange store
ye but like it's on you if you want to spend on garbage
I have some personal grudges for this kind of bull
But i will save you guys from hearing it
well if you got the andoris skin through the gacha after hard pity
you kind of have to spend your tokens on garbage
uh
The main point is that I agree the gacha can sty
you can save them for next shop
nope
im pretty sure they get turned into old coins
And lives in the murky grey area between f2p and paid
huh?
and you fucked it up like that
Who knows if they are willing to do anything
oh those
And i am saying that without the snarky attitude of en players
i highly doubt the prices will make sense
well that's going into speculation
also given gfl1's track record
Probably will be 1 to 1
especially with the new shitshow
And not 10 to 1
you can expect at least a 3-6 month delay before old skins are available through the general store
dunno after this shitshow
well
Since it seems this banner will last longer than we might predict
I would just remove premium skins from the gacha and put some Achievements Store level skins in there, then u increase the ticket income so u can guarantee the skin in like 1-3 months and fill the gacha store with dorm stuff in it.
I would be fine with the skin in gacha
if there's an option for getting it in a package too
like leave the gacha for people who think they can get lucky
or f2p via grinding
Might sound weird from me
that could work too
But I think they won't do that
Bc that would make spenders to have 2 ways of getting skins
their bottom line would be mad though
Yeah. They have 2 ways parallel to each other
eh, more people would buy it
cuz thatd jusy be giving away free skins
Especially for globals
you're underestimating the want of having the skin immedietly at the release
yeah the outrage is for this main reason
well if someone gets the skin in like 5 pulls they dont pay anything
and if they dont the just pay the standard price
lmao
so youd just be randomly giving away skins which you could've sold for money
Even 10 bucks per fucker can go along way
ehh, that's a small enough probability that people would just go for the pack
the fuck up thing is that glf2 had one of the best quality/price ratio for skins
ye the packages are cheap as fuck
well there are free pulls
they are really good too
And certainly that it took them 1 full day to come up with. We will say this clearly, so fuck off. Imagine taking them until Tuesday just to have another fuck off or nothing burger
and they decided to raise the bar on their main selling point rn
so there is literally no reason for someone not to try their luck on a few pulls before they buy
Or lock other interactions of old skins behind gacha
I cannot imagine the rage
Okay that part might not be so bad at least on the ground of 'they didn't announce it for the skins beforehand'
its was a series of bad decisions lmao
well their main selling point in cn is ak15 at this point
shes powercreep incarnate
just for cn tho, I can see how most of EN meta slaves are saving just for ak15 now
also pvp is so beyond dead
i had 9/10 successful defenses in pvp today just because the ppl attacking didnt have a good enough ak15
Defeated smile
its so fkin hilarious how dumb it is
I know mica is far from perfect
But this feels like engineered to be shit
In every manner of the term
the glittering elmo thing was shit as well
I personally don't give a shit bout AK15 being strong as fuck, it's pretty cool looking and pvp was already dead
so that built up quite some rage even before this debacle
personally ak15 just killed any wish from me to get any v6 at this point lmao
What is glitering elmo?
The popularity stuff is eh too since it's just some side shit that is whatever for me
the popularity ranking
what's the point on v6 anything if they can powercreep this hards at any point
and removing all gameplay at that too
well you can still use whatever you want tho
it's not turning anything else shit
but pvp was at least playable before this
bro u everyone tell me my account is now bricked
why
i need to reroll
why is it bricked
Ak15 tho, I have my own position against her
is there any content that requires V6 Ak15 lol
pvp requires v3 tbh
Bc I think she is really dumb. To the point of laziness and pandering similar to how old gachas do
that's only if you care about the extra profile title or shit
this
youd be losing 3 turns a day just to get the 30 per day
ehhhhhh
nobody really puts her there tho
at least i never found one
well im seeing more and more at this point
I guess depends on the server
either way that ak15 business really is sour

Meh I think she's cool as shit and the did really good job with her art/animation/voice acting
Making pvp faster for me is also a bonus lol
she makes everything faster
Plus easy kills on guild
And if I want to actually play on let's say heroic event, I just don't use her
Tho v0 ain't that gamebreaking there
isnt that pretty dangerous for the game tho?
At least the ground of this is so weird that gfl2 doesn't require ak15 lvl to run
So she is alone on a high ground you may dip into if you are getting butt fucked
u can only enjoy oneshooting everything for so long
It's like playing a soul game and you suddenly feel like to be on easy mode
And for the Future of the game
yup
Let's hope she is an outline
That's why I just switch to other units desu
that was kluk's thing tbh
but then u cripple yourself for fun
Something they pulled out of their ass every few years
Is that a problem when I want to have fun in other way
ak15 is like installing an autoclicker
That's kinda a stupid argument
let me put this in this way
heroic mode
was something u could be somewhat feel proud of yourself doing it
nah
now u can ak15 that shit
Now now
the one that came with lind's event was complete BS
Does me just not using her and clearing with other units invalidates me feeling happy /proud
And by god Im too poor to have her at high V
Hey. I killed this without Lind
Again that's a stupid argument
not at all, but imagine being someone who enjoyed pvp
now all they get is a black screen
lmao
That's a completely separate topic
Ye but not what we were discussing about the heroic stuff
well they had to nerf krolic hard for it to even be possibke to complete
that was just an example tho
For Lind's heroic mode
Fuck that shit
I hate everything in that patch
Every single second I had to open the game during that period is miserable
that sweet sweet cash baby
gotta appeal to the whales one way or another
nah mdh the lore is still good
Burn out
That's fair
hell story is the last bastion of this game at this point
"balanced"
Story/art
As in good on v0, that's my type of balance in this game kewk
I think recently they did a nice job at making low investment dolls rather enjoyable to play
YES
Unvoiced story is so so with mtl
And it fits me more since I'm a collectionkek
So not caring that much about dupes and just getting the dolls is good for me
Nothing can be done about that
I loved it pre kluklai era
its the same gameplay patch after patch so...
So not like im here for the thrills
I quite like my heroic runs bar Lind
remember struggling on launch on story stages
shit was dope
using daiyan to do some spc operations in the back
Well you had the same CN players seethe that it's too hard

when there was a point in bringing a healer
Now you see the effect of it
Ye at least heroics are still fun for me

Tldr buy reverse collapse
But I can understand how this system has turned into something so far away from the base design
aoe ruined the game tbh
That it is, in a more relatable comparison, reaching anime style of development
i got mixed feeling about that
mines is v1 so she's tame enough to let the enemies move

I used leva v6 + 416 v6
Not the best comp
Struggle against bosses
But enough to get some thrills
Igla in challenge stahe
Igla in story is meh
Still lethal but not for the same reason
i'll let u know when she's done kicking my ass
every single battle uses Voy
yeah this is prob the worst update theyve dropped in a long time
almost makes me want to quit
i dont mind the dorm besides the gacha parts
but encountering Voymastina makes me sad
Pissing off cn players when they have nothing better to do since no endgame was a move of all time

(I'm never letting the no endgame bit die)
endgame is player vs developer
onto something ❌
on something 
Spending too much time in the dorms smoking that hashleaf
He wishes he was in a dorm.
So
Are we joining the whole top 100 guild protest?
@bold helm
Aren't you the 2nd in command?
Im just a pawn brother
where i can sign the petition 
Ive started a poll in kcco
Its no longer top 100 protest as more guilds joined it
Including global guids too now
where is our guild master
I cant mobilize people to be active during gunsmoke you think I can rouse them to protest
ultimately it's a popular enough movement where my input on u guys here is not a factor, if you want to join in doing so then do so
wheres the link to the petition?
i dont think there is any
it's just a general idea of "our platoon is joining the cn platoons is not spending or playing the game"
which some guilds in global are joining in on
altho idunno how many
I know kansaidorito and his guild is like the biggest known one
i feel like if guilds and in general the community want to be heard they need to sort of centralize their complaints and actions more and yeah make an actual petition of sorts that they can actually Send to Mica: theres alot of misinformation like the 200 dollar thing are too rampant and taking focus, the complaionts are all on social media and not being actually sent in a good way to Mica, people are trying to craft solutions that really arent reasonable such as not considering the people who have spent on it alr
I think the Steam reviews are good impact from the gbl side altho obviously again alot of it is based in misinfo
honestly I've seen a worse botch job than this in a gacha so i dunno what even to say about this situation
which was?
summoners war
what happened there lol
they had a collab, and they botched the gacha rate (I think they like doubled the intended rate of collab SSRs), so people are whaling hard for the collab since the collab SSRs are super strong, the devs decided to recall all the SSRs rolled during a certain time period and give back only 10 rolls
it was fucked
people are pissed but I dont think there are any organized boycotts
but people start petitioning to get them to back down
and eventually they did
yeah but the compensations are pathetic

Tbh these companies dont gaf about filed complaints when it comes to monetization and gfl2 has been always review bombed so that doest really work either lmao
Just let money do the talking
Best mediator ever
We'll see about that
well it's already set up, dunno what they will talk about tho
Last PR gaves us 5 tickets to shut us down 
well it won't work again
Mica PR still needs improvements
How hard could it be to put someone who play these games in charge of that position ffs
I would agree with that if not for how hard they have milked global
doesn't change the reputation th
Global was fine
Hold off doritos is not that big of a deal if we consider that ak15 and leva will have very low spending now
And I had 40 pulls when doritoa dropped on cn
Not even a pity
They have in the hundreds
I shame Peri pullers
Dodged that bullet
When she will get a key you will eat your words
i dont mind much about the skin gacha drama
yes the model is literally the worst I ever seen
i would prefer them to do something like PGR one
or any other games
where it's a guarantee
and the offrate rewards are much more bearable
but the biggest insult to me is what they did to the WA skin
like what the hell mica
isnt that just straight up fraud and misleading?
wdym i bought the skin and now i have to gacha for interaction?
and I dont want them to get away with this specific aspect
it will set a pretty bad precedence imo
I couldnt care less about the compensation and shit if they are so doubled down
just dont ever do this shit again
imagine if it wasnt WA but your favourite doll instead
Well, gonna see what the discussion tomorrow brings in
They haven't showered the list of questions and demands
Since the player representative seems optimistic about it
Hopefully micum learnt from this
I'm pretty sure mica saw it
im already on verse of quitting after learning about WA skin shituation, and that is the only reason mind you
as much as I like MICA and this franchise, this is just bottom cockroach behavior
if people let this get away now the whole industry will see that players will allow Dev to sell incomplete skin and who know what else in the future
One thing that makes me think tho
Didn't this kinda fit with the skin parts for skins

The closest quitting moment for me was this whole gacha thing as well
literally the only thing that make me think about quitting tbh
i never thought about it ever before
hell even with all the shitty drama they have
The one before that was Lind patch
Let's see how they resolve it now
but im not gonna let them do that to my girl
Welll
On a brighter side
Now that Mica chose to interact with the community
From the players' perspective
This will be the final straw
i think global are much more upset
because they also have to deal with asceleration as well
there are 0% chance they will get compensated farily
this is a facts
no other gachas done this
Acceleration is kinda mixed from my experience
Like most of my friends who never played gfl before are all about it lol
Just because they don't want to be behind
yeah i get that as well
whole reason why i shill playing OG server
imagine dealing with the late release
and spoiler rampant throught your feeds
We can only hope for the best
Pgr did it pretty good imo
I got a surplus of premuim currency like crazy
So who knows
ye PGR is ok
oh i didnt know about PGR
i quit PGR long ago
after hanying patch
green wamen upset moment lol
Lmao
i was mad they make her shitty phys A rank
i know later down the line they ""fixed"" that
but i was out of the line so
no come back here
Bro A ranks is where the fun is at
S ranks are just ultimate simulator at this point
I hope so 
If anything it would make en players shut the hell up in cn channel
smh
i mean
there already doomposting all over the media
glob ppl already posting on weibo as well
people need to realize that they need to be more attentive and address the situation
if you dont make any meaningful conversation they will just straight up ignoring you
Only en players entertain en posts
This is a public forum but cn players know each other to a certain extent
And frankly I find en players to be a pest
i stated my case, selling incomplete skin is bad, period
you fully commit to 1 aspect of monetization, dont be half ass
asking more money (in this case not even guarantee) after purchase is foul, and it's borderline illegal as well
just dont fill the channel with all the nonchalant, tell them why it's wrong, and what could work out for both them and the player (be more reasonable)
@bold helm @real isle @quartz saddle application finally set, sorry for the delay. Sheet is up (I am not translating everything today).
3/8 is yesterdays score cutoff, next days will show normal daily scores
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YEHjzk4MKagwyPyvqxrMCKrdEchsQ-FE9eqm0T4al1I/edit?usp=sharing
@cedar field hey so what are we doing with the guild sheet?
This is a handy way to track hits
I thought snow had a similar system and abandon it because its too much hassle
also ewww comic sans
I'll ask Aggressor to use impact

its doneee
you better do your hit megane
its almost guranteed she wont be here for at least 2 months
.cn banner
yeah we have 3 small banners before the big one comes
inb4 its soppo/star next event
I think we're gonna go to dollistan next
Faetussa and please please be the strange doll
freebie rosaline


Might miss today
Currently outside but ima try
If you need I can try driving
Thank you!
first time max score 
now do it consistantly
GS ends in 2 hours
Even less
Alicia
Minh
Neko (not sure about this one, error in program)
Kirou
Nelliel
舰长
BlazH
Nero
Loklie
oh good we are well above top 5%
I was worried cuz we dipped to like 4% on 2nd day
You wont, you did too well for that
another couple weeks of no gs
This amount of misses wont let you come back to 100 tho
Done
didnt i do my hit today?
Table app had issues cose I didnt start first day, it might have been correct or not
I also put smaller scores a day ago to fit with your prev day scores
On the moment I checked your score was the same as yesterday
huge improvement from last season
Not sure if its any of my doing, you guys did it yourselves
Did I hit yet
gunsmoke ended alr



smh
wtf full pity?
i think there are 90+ pity
brom noooo
if u do then u really have to put back on the clown outfit
wild to me that people actually spent on the gacha
worth to buy only if you need 20-30 rolls to hard pity
severe case of Stockholm syndrome over here
any therapist in the chat

Too poor to afford therapist

lemme look, it better still be there
if they stealth nerfed my alva
!!!
team with just wawa and Alva, tested with a basic atk since she has 100% crit chance 
11k shield
pretty nice indeed
lmao lets go
Wtf cheater
rigged
Ok, status update
We are 39/39 currently, I remember there was someone asking for a slot in the guild but I cant find them
To form the sheet I dont need to be directly in the guild, I onlt need screenshots of the table daily around vahta time, so its possible without being a member of the guild
what are you using for ocr?
Some slavic magic agressor stampled together into an app
ah icic
Its kinda faulty with my screen setting I think but its ok
Nah. I left it on purpose

luck sack

Prepare for mica to rug pull
After some unspecified amount of pulls
I have enough to exchange for almost everything minus the gift boxes
can mica buff my win rate for gacha
nonstop 50/50 loss and multiple wep banner loss in a row
"the devs should take players feedback seriously!!"
players feedback:
hey I expressed some good points, I only overdo it a little bit on the sarcasm front
saving every skin ticket until the next major event to see how often they drop new ones

all I said was to just never do the skin gacha again 🤣
Half of my feedback was
"can you fucking stop shooting yourself in the foot everytime things are starting to go right"

same
This isn't mica's first bs
other interactions will be free now too
howdy folks
As if it wasn't already free, at least in the manner that we can get it without topping up
I already had enough token to exchange for it within first week of the update
So now it's just "more free" I guess
Someone might get very unlucky
To get something that a lot of people expected to be freer
the choice to not pull yet vindicated
Q3. I already obtained Klukai’s Swimsuit Outfit but haven’t redeemed all items from the [Outfit Procurement] Exchange Shop. Will this issue be improved?
A: Yes. With the free availability of Makiatto’s interaction, the Trajectory Token cost for items in the Exchange Shop will be significantly reduced.
Starting from the next [Outfit Procurement], purple-rarity Doll outfits will also be purchasable directly, further lowering overall Trajectory Token demand.
Additionally, the gold tier rewards pool will be expanded to include high-value items such as [Basic Info Cores] and [Targeted Calibration Chips], providing more variety beyond Doll outfits.
A pity system will also be introduced: if a Commander reaches a set number of pulls without receiving a gold tier reward, a guaranteed gold reward will be granted.

ah so other ppl were right they do intend to put an outfit gacha out ever major banner
they say so in the news
15 weeks per banner is a bit short
Q4. What is the update frequency for [Outfit Procurement]? Are Doll interactions only obtainable there?
A: No. In addition to the free method for obtaining Makiatto’s interaction, the next 42-day patch update will introduce a new free interaction, obtainable through event participation.
New [Outfit Procurement] banners will generally coincide with Major Story updates, so Commanders need not worry about them refreshing too frequently.
need like 3x the free coins lol
yeah about 3
just 2 so far
free chinese weapon soon 
it all depends on the gain desu, purple skin being buyable is decent too
yah thats not bad
I have that skin too you know 
0
kinda good since now I can just save for the next gacha and spend less
416 doesn't like me one bit
think ill leave after getting klukai skin

just gotta keep going ok
Noooo

still 100 pity, still gonna keep the ass gacha, still nothing done to fix voymastina
so
yeah
ahh icic 
rip
HSR
Huh... so no one in the meeting asked about any new ways to obtain tickets nor about the pity (lowering it*)

At this point its just whatever
I'll just get ando's skin and be done with it
Free interactions is cool tho

Are theere any insiders out there talking about what happened in the meeting?

I get the impresion that they decided to put out there only the positive answers
Or it was staged af


they said we'll get more gacha improvements info later so who knows
so who is gonna update the excel file now?
He'll stay when he sees the kluky toes
honestly, hopium if some of that nga post info is true
Ye, it did have stuff from the official post and it released before it
i want to believe
I just need them to refund my coins for buying the scam 2k mr pizza and other furnitures

since they're changing the ratio
I think they said you will get back the difference
Ye they did
Y'all get 1200 coins back

nice
its 40% discount
Yeah thanks Wewe for your hard work
🫡 for a real one
yeah
cuz I bought out the entire store

soppo funds now
did u see that the colab is on the 9th?
super short patch
are you saying it will be a different JY or something?
bet
oh not the 7th its;
Project Neural Cloud collab will be online on Sep 9
guarantee that has a new banner

Surprise. 416 alter

From PNC
She a has a chopper and a cat
means jiangyu rework patch is only 2 weeks
which is why they released the bp a week early

@real isle Just as a heads up, I'm dropping gfl2 cn after the upcoming season of Gunsmoke ends. Was a long and good run for all of us 
it's over
Pretty easy to geab good players rn, people left platoons after shitshow
he'll return
In kcco?
Not in our platoon as we haven't joined bullshit alliance
btw Brom, lmk about wewe's sheet upcoming progress if you need any helps, me and others still maintain the EN side of the sheet and the editing parts 


merge soon
i dont rlly get what u mean then
People from good guilds with bad gm's who insisted on not spendings and continuing the campaign, basically got fed and were looking for a shelter
Still kinda hard to find recruits ofc, I want to get QQ somehow, maybe will make it easier
Will need cross checks proof reads and adjustments, also want to add some new stuff in and will need your guys opinion after 26th when we will have raw data
aight sure
One of new additions is notes on skills
oh you're putting notes on the effects
yea
I wanted to get some pop ups like on gf2 cn wiki
But sheets only supports this kind of notes
Its alright tho
Nice name brom
Also want to add support attacks and other effects bullet/melee
And gift preferences maybe
Oh and remoulding
oh yea remoulding info, I talked with wewe ab where can we put it before he retired

I guess under the weapons
yea the bottom right corner
Gift info can be compressed into one row of data so those wont tak much space
I'm sorry man, I can barely push myself to log into the game and my interests have diminished 
I appreciate all of the effort you put into pumping up 90wish, really
My remould guide for en is the last community contribution 



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