#Maybe reconsider the Terms you mute/warn people on?

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tribal jacinth
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People get muted even when the messages are flagged, I do not think it serves a point in helping the server because the messages are already getting blocked. If people bypass the automod in the server and type those words, then it'll make sense to mute them. And, player drama, what do these words mean? Until they're talking in limits yeah, there is no need for a warn is there. And one more thing, on discord I've experienced this thing first hand where 2031 asked what my profile picture was and then when I told him, I got muted for racism? Isn't my profile picture self explanatory? Even when I specifically asked to not consider that as racism, it gets ignored and is assumed as it.

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Overall just a suggestion you implementing it or not totally depends on you and opinion may vary from person to person.

modern walrus
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@fluid void

fluid void
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erm?

modern walrus
teal lion
tribal jacinth
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the person who was wearing the bullet proof vest doesnt even know they got shot bro tfym 😭

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trying to shoot someone and trying to offend someone are two very different scenarios

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ill tell you what i want to in your own example of someone being shot

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alr

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so

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the person is not wearing a bullet proof vest

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there is a barrier infront of them which does protect them in this case which is the automod

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alright?

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tho it does protect the person but it does not let them know if they got shot or not

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in this case

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sworn or not

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if people by pass the autmod we know the barrier has been breached where THESE moderators and helpers need to step in to do something

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YOU helpers and moderators are the persons bulletproof vest

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infact, you are like a gun shooting the person back at him to shut him up

modern walrus
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🦅 This

teal lion
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Fair point, but indeed see the vest more as a barrier. We should punnish them no? They didn't know the barrier was there.

tribal jacinth
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Cancels it out

teal lion
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So you just don't care someone tried to shoot you?

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You think the shooter gave up cuz a tree was in the way?

tribal jacinth
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let's say you have a sniper on your head

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But you have a layer of glass covering up you, you can't see the shooter

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Nor can you see the shot being shot

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How will you ever know

teal lion
tribal jacinth
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nobody is

teal lion
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God

tribal jacinth
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bro 👎😭😭😭😭😭

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tf are you on

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😭😭😭😭😭😭

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I. Knew. It

fluid void
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@teal lion i have vencord ❤️

teal lion
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Reporting you too discord

fluid void
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Erm

nova mason
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Aksh has good points here this happened to me before

tribal jacinth
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Happened with me aswell

marsh ginkgo
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Strawman

teal lion
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I've been on this server since the beginning and I haven't had an issue with it.

tribal jacinth
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🤓🤓🤓

modern walrus
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🤓 🤓 🤓 🥑

tribal jacinth
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😡 🥑

modern walrus
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🤓 😡🥑

marsh ginkgo
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💀😭

marsh ginkgo
teal lion
marsh ginkgo
teal lion
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Lemme check

marsh ginkgo
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Or in that case u claim something that does not apply to you

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Since you have been staff before

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Also ur whole argument is a strawman

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Bad look

teal lion
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Because I was staff rules don't apply to me?

marsh ginkgo
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I think

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Wait lemme check what that claim is exactly

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Anyways it’s false

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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Ur assuming I said that but I never said that the rules didn’t apply to you

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That is just lying

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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Read the messages carefully I never said that

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
teal lion
marsh ginkgo
teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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I thought that was common knowledge

teal lion
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Now, why was I able to not get muted?

modern walrus
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🥑

marsh ginkgo
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The question was never why you weren’t muted

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You are changing the subject around

teal lion
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I'm taking a detour so you can understand it.

marsh ginkgo
teal lion
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I'm asking a question, that isn't an arguemeent

marsh ginkgo
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You change the subject rather than create a real reason

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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Unless you just don’t understand my argument at all

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Which also doesn’t make you look good anyways

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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Duh

teal lion
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Alright so building of that

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You say this announcements doesn't apply to me because I don't get muted. However I'm still part of the community no? It's normal that I don't want the community to be racist / toxic right?

marsh ginkgo
teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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I’m getting really tired of trying to explain this stuff on a toddler level

marsh ginkgo
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Oml just stfu

teal lion
# marsh ginkgo BRO THAN GIVE A REAL ARGUMENT

Brother, it's not because I'm against your suggestion that you should label it an arguement. It's only for selfish reasons, think broader. The community should be a safe place, and if we don't punish blocked messages they'll just keep saying harmful stuff and perhaps even (accidentally) bypass the flag system.

marsh ginkgo
teal lion
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Unless, you don't really care if the community gets toxic. In which case I wwould understand your arguement..

marsh ginkgo
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Still waiting for a real argument

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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Which implies that more mutes means less toxicity

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And not just more mutes

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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Mutes for messages players can not see

marsh ginkgo
teal lion
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Or perhaps just mute the toxic people?

marsh ginkgo
marsh ginkgo
teal lion
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Perhaps by looking who's saying toxic stuff?

marsh ginkgo
teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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And would rather mute someone who says something that isn’t even displayed in chat

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Chat

marsh ginkgo
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Also an investigation into some YouTube rank people

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Since the most toxic player I have met on bridgerland had YouTube rank

teal lion
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So as long as a player reports toxicity / Racism etc. the staff should handle it

marsh ginkgo
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It is not like there are 20 game modes

teal lion
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So indeed, I do agree a staff should ffocus on in game messages

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However, they shouldn't neglect the attempted toxicity

marsh ginkgo
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You could say that without 100000000 fallacies beforehand

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Now I understand your point of view

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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Like if you see blocked messages and immediately after see the player who sent them was reported for toxicity or smth

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But if the message is blocked and the player gives up who tf cares

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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Also the server needs to be better about choosing who has YouTube rank and who gets staff

teal lion
teal lion
marsh ginkgo
marsh ginkgo
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And a YouTube rank here tried to get me kicked from tournaments cuz I’m the goat

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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He changed his ign and hid it though

teal lion
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What's your Ign againn

marsh ginkgo
teal lion
marsh ginkgo
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My old ign is still in the system

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Kingjonkler

teal lion
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Oh

teal lion
marsh ginkgo
teal lion
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What did yyou do to him

marsh ginkgo
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He was mad I proved him wrong on smth or other

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“Staff disrespect” for disagreeing with him

marsh ginkgo
teal lion
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your history is bad lol

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You're muted atm as well 😭

tribal jacinth
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come on bro js sht up

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we jus want the terms to be a little less harsher

teal lion
tribal jacinth
teal lion
marsh ginkgo
nova mason
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Hoooly f*ck the yapping level

marsh ginkgo
solar prairie
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The malicious intent was there, who’s to say you won’t try to bypass that barrier? Best to play it safe. Whether a player sees it or not, breaking a rule is breaking a rule, the intent was there but because of OUR efforts you failed.

Your malicious intent and behaviour is what gets you muted, not just the fact you had a flagged message. Sending a slur, you had racist intent, just because you got stopped doesn’t mean we want a racist in our chats.

When you advertise on hypixel. It gets blocked yet you’ll likely still get muted.

You say suicidal encouragement phrases in mmc, you’ll still be muted even if it gets blocked.

Why should we now allow malicious behaviour just because the victim didn’t experience it.

Take note that the main people who complain about this, are people breaking rules

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Less harsher punishments I can stand for, but not being punished for having a blocked message yet having the intent and effort there just cant happen.

nova mason
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This two does happen i can confirm

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💀💀💀

marsh ginkgo
solar prairie
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🤓

last dust
nova mason
tribal jacinth
tribal jacinth
tribal jacinth
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You don't tell a Dumb (a person who can't speak) to shut up bro they alr cant speak 😭😭😭👎

last dust
tribal jacinth
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when your messages get flagged

last dust
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What’s “a dumb” 😭

tribal jacinth
tribal jacinth
last dust
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Bro

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I meant

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Nvm

tribal jacinth
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well

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I'm saying

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A person

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Who can't speak

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In this case when the person gets flagged

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What's the point in muting them? Hmm??

solar prairie
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It’s not even worth replying too…

solar prairie
tribal jacinth
tribal jacinth
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Bro.

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If I can't speak, why would you mute me ?

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If they get flagged, blocked, a warn is enough isn't it

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Youre trying to just protect yalls decision I'm just telling you that a warn is more appropriate than muting

solar prairie
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Whatever you say to me applies to you, respectfully, you’re just upset you got punished for breaking a rule. You tried to do it, and failed, and now you’re upset you were dealt with.

There’s no case you can make in your defence, you’re applying people who are disabled in some form to being racist or breaking other chat rules but being blocked from doing so.

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It’d be like trying to cross the border with illegal items, you were caught, no one knows you tried except authorities. They do not leave you with illegal items (in most cases) and rather confiscate or charge you as necessary.

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I think the fact majority of servers follow this same format says something against your point of view”i should be allowed to break the rules aslong as no one is affected”

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It’s the intention that matters just as much as the effect.

Want it to stop? Stop breaking the rules… simple.

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As I said, I do not want punishments to be harsh. There should be no witch hunting and i am all for verbal warnings “please do not spam” but the aspect of not punishing a player simply because we have filters in place just wont happen. Intentions matter, it’s what we do with the intentions. In some cases it may be verbal warnings, other punishments.

tribal jacinth
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I get no happiness from breaking a rule

tribal jacinth
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Disabled ???

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I'm giving a reference

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Like you gave a racist example in dms

tribal jacinth
tribal jacinth
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I remember

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Back in the day the limit was 4

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NOT 3

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I think many ogs would agree

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But guess what

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Nobody's left

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Because you all

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Are making a more "staff" ruled community than a player ran community

tribal jacinth
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My messages were

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999
999
999
⌛

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And I got muted for yjsy

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That

tribal jacinth
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I'm not even crying about it atp its just

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Nobody will talk here if yall keep gun pointed at our heads

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And I assume you don't want that

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This is becoming anarchy day by day

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I'm a person who uses this platform daily, who comes on this community to talk, every damn day, its been 4 years since I've been doing so, the people we had from the start left because you all acted like this, nobody would've been gone, if you all acted a little civilized and looked into the problems like we want you to

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If you can't look into a problem from our perspective there is no use for staff

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You all created suggestions, the suggestions with almost 15-20 upvotes wasn't implemented because nobody comes here, they just wanted the damn pack, why cant you understand

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This is a hellhouse for a new person who doesn't know the unwritten rules

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I literally told you to hold in-game polls for suggestions made on discord so that it is more reachable to people, you take players for granted which I'm telling, you is not a good thing to do

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I have been staff, I know what the rules were, but you can't just change 3 coherent messages to be called spam

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Add a fricking timer if you really g.a.s

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You all never look into the things I say because you think I blabber shit, because I still have hope that this place can be way better

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Nobody tells you ANYTHING because you all overlook it

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I have hopes, I have hopes you can all change, can listen to people for one damn time, your smart ass replies do not shut me up

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I have my own right of speaking

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And if you say you're running this place, then I'm sorry, I've lost all hope for this place

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You say I'm upset yes godforsaken I am

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Your rules are valid, your punishments aren't

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That's so stupid

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And one rule stating 3 messages in a row is stupid

solar prairie
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This has been implemented since 2022 I believe I can check when it was implemented

solar prairie
# tribal jacinth I get no happiness from breaking a rule

Okay in your case spam it may not be 100% applicable, intention wasnt there. If you wan’t my honest opinion, your case could’ve just been a verbal warning. I do not think you intended to flood a chat and were rather making a joke to another message, everything is case by case. Your instance was 100% punishable according to our staff guidelines, but do I think it was necessary? No.

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Which is my whole point, it comes down to intentions. If you intended to tell someone to physically harm themselves, you punish them even if it was filtered. As for slurs and other things.

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I do not think spam is always necessary but it is often case by case, and I personally feel that a verbal warning is often enough for those who weren’t intending to spam a chat maliciously.

solar prairie
# tribal jacinth I think many ogs would agree

I can agree, I mean the staff guide at the start of the server had legit no details in what was punishable, it just had times. It left everything up for interpretation, when I was Mod I just muted if I seen they were meaning to do it, and it wasn’t some little joke like “999”.

That doesn’t mean you actually know the details tho, when I became staff manager for the first time the rules got an overhaul because they were so unclear.

Upon me leaving the first time for MMC, Zack and I both made changes to the rules and one was indeed, 3 messages in one chatbox that are identical is spam.

I do not think that in itself will change, as that is a common format for spam in a large list of servers.

Do I think we should be less strict?
Mate, 100%. I’ve been on break due to my life being quite messy, and as such I haven’t really paid much attention. That comes down to me.

So how may we resolve this?

Lets figure it out, as I do not want to end this on a no, clearly there’s a problem here and it needs to be fixed.

I will host a staff meeting addressing a few issues, I will not send a clip of all of it but will send a clip of me addressing “witch hunting”.

I will address the use of verbal warnings being more frequent rather than immediately punishing.

tribal jacinth
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Ok

solar prairie
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So what WILL change?

The way my team are going to handle punishments are going to be case by case, meaning it will require the staff member to see context for minor infractions such as “spam” or “flood” to properly handle a situation, rather than just seeing a flag and putting you on trial immediately and executing your punishment. I will try my best to SHOW you this is happening, by showing things such as staff announcements, clips of certain calls and possible discussions between staff.

What will NOT change?

If something is flagged, you will still be punished. I can not allow things such as racism, suicidal encouragement just pass solely because the victim didn’t receive it. The intent was there.

I will not be changing the spam format. 3 identical messages in one chatbox is spam. The change is how strict we are on it. Maybe even make spamming okay aslong as its flagged, tho bypassing will result in punishment. That part isn’t final tho!!

tribal jacinth
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Erm

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k y s

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And

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Fyl

solar prairie
tribal jacinth
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And

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Pr*ick i

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And

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Kunt

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And

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Bl!**s isn't flagged

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Might add that to the list

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In game chat

tribal jacinth
modern walrus
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imagine if you get muted rn for that 🙏

tribal jacinth
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nah I'm losing it

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If I get muted for that

modern walrus
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😭

solar prairie
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I also want to put it out there that we aren’t the soul reason many og’s left. I was friends with them, it’s actually down to beef between parties of the community. If anything it’s everyone man, we need to try and work together more. I do not want to be ignorant to your situation simply because I’ve been on break

tribal jacinth
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I am not talking about your break

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Or saying you don't deserve

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It

solar prairie
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Huh

tribal jacinth
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I'm telling you that

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People

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Will not

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Engage in your community

solar prairie
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No no I am saying I don’t want to sit here and say you’re wrong when I haven’t even been here I mean

tribal jacinth
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If they don't like the way they or others are bring treated

solar prairie
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I am not saying you’re saying anything against it

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I am letting you know that I apologise for my ignorance, I haven’t been here, which is no excuse and why I want to make sure this is resolved.

tribal jacinth
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Ok

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I just want to let you know

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To implement

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SOME

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SUGGESTION

solar prairie
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At the end of the day an issue is an issue. No matter how small or how big it is, thankyou for bringing it up. When I manage to organise a meeting this weekend hopefully I will try to send a clip here

tribal jacinth
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S

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Onto to the damn server

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These suggestions are useless

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Nobody comes on here

solar prairie
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Finalised changes are up to him because he is the one who has the devs

tribal jacinth
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The upvotes

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Makes 0 sense

solar prairie
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I mean not really it shows us what people want more, but yeah I can’t really add anything. That comes down to Zack. Like I said I’ve been on break I haven’t really seen how anythings been handled, clearly it has been messy.

I will try to bring things up, and let everyone know the responses so you aren’t left in the dark so much.

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I get it tho I can see suggestions rn that’d take 5 mins to do, I just can’t do em lol

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Ill send them to Zack

last sierra
tribal jacinth
marsh ginkgo
nova mason
nova mason
tribal jacinth
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That made me snarf

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Holy gpt made me snarf

marsh ginkgo
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And yes u are sped asf

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Read anything above wiggleez msg

marsh ginkgo
marsh ginkgo
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Or some kind of a bot

tribal jacinth
nova mason
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I dont enable reply pings

marsh ginkgo
nova mason
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I do this to everybody bl comm or not its a habit

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Why are you tryna fire up an argument over this

icy talon
marsh ginkgo
copper forgeBOT
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marsh ginkgo
# icy talon ?

I beat u in boxing multiple times even when u s tapped out of my combos 🥱

icy talon
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lmao

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you were jump resetting out of combos

marsh ginkgo
icy talon
marsh ginkgo
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Also jumping is fair game u just suck

icy talon
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and u call me the runner

marsh ginkgo
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What do you not understand?

icy talon
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it's not my fault ONE of ours wifi's was acting up

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it might look like an s tap

marsh ginkgo
icy talon
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but u need to learn the difference between holding s and flying out

icy talon
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my wifi is dog shit

marsh ginkgo
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U were running to try and save ur ego

icy talon
marsh ginkgo
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Ass mf can’t even win me in boxing

icy talon
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then i would deny u winning

marsh ginkgo
icy talon
marsh ginkgo
icy talon
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cuz you were flying out

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and jump resetting

marsh ginkgo
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Other than the first game I when I was rusty asf

icy talon
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we were both flying out

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and it was my wifi's fault

marsh ginkgo
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U ignoring the other 5 games 🤦‍♂️

icy talon
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6*

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could be wrong though

marsh ginkgo
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U kept rematching

icy talon
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yk cuz it was 2 weeks ago

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and ur still caught up on it