cosmic radish
Does the light airdrop Mantlet block LOS as a medium base model would or does it block LOS as an obstacle would based on its modeled height?
I guess this question also applies to fire pit and powder kegs defenses.
None of these are considered models, they are terrain. I can't find any rule where they get to block LOS as if they were a model. If they block LOS as terrain then every defense on a base can be modeled to block the LOS desired by the modeler.
wintry bridge
If it has a base size on its card then it’s a model and uses model volume
cosmic radish
If the fire pit or mantlet is a model according to that, then you could attack them. The powder kegs specifically has rules on how to treat it as a model because it isn't one.
quaint solstice
They are not models, they are just on 40mm bases
tropic talon
I'm fairly certain that Defenses are not models, and don't do anything other than what they say (be rough terrain, grant cover, etc)
quaint solstice
Obstacle means they are up to 1" tall and therefore wouldn't block LOS on a flat plane
tropic talon
Correct.
cosmic radish
So obstacles in the book are always 1"
tropic talon
But not all of them even are Obstacles
cosmic radish
Effectively a mantlet does not block LOS at all
tropic talon
They state on their card what they count as. They are not models.
Correct, it doesn't block line of sight as if it were a 40mm model, because it's not a Model at all
It's a Defense,
cosmic radish
Cool
wintry bridge
Apologies, I misremembered the ruling from this thread as being that they use model volume and misspoke #1382946376396050433 message
cosmic radish
So this means a fire pit alsomight provide cover, so might a powder keg, but all of them grant +2 def in melee if the bases cross the obstacle.
tropic talon
No, they don't provide cover because they do not say that they provide cover (like the defense wall does)
Obstacles do not provide cover.
Many Obstacles have an additional rule on them that says they do provide Cover, but it's not an inherent property of Obstacles
For instance, the Spell Rock Wall generates an obstacle of a certain size which grants cover. The spell calls out that it grants cover, it wouldn't otherwise.
cosmic radish
K, just confused by the obstacle section saying they may grant cover based on "the nature of the terrain"
tropic talon
That's to indicate that terrain on the table has no set rules determined by the rulebook, you and your opponent determine what each piece specifically does.
For instance, my group has a bunch of hay bails, we uses them as Obstacles that grant Concealment (hay not being the most bullet resistant material).
lofty bluff
Its not a model and doesn't block LOS like one, but it is an Obstacle so it is 1" tall.
modest jewel
Its not a model and doesn't block LOS like one, but it is an Obstacle so it is 1...
For LOS purposes is the "footprint" the model or the base?