How do you define faction?

[tired sky]

Exulon Kythos is described as a "cryx Cephalyx hive mind cadre warcaster"

Exulon Nostilla is described as a "Mercenary Cephalyx solo"

Does this make them friendly faction? As they both share the Cephalyx tag?

[south magnet]

Cephalyx is not a faction

Cryx and Mercenary are

[tired sky]

I get that Cephalyx is not listed in the app as a faction. It's just that the definition of faction is very unclear in the rules book. Could do with some clarification

[royal viper]

the tags here after the format, defines the faction of the models in the army

[silk grail]

The first word or phrase on the second line of the Models name is the Faction, and it has to be one of the Factions listed in the app as Tekanans screenshot shows. Kathos’ Faction is Cryx, Nostillas is Mercenary

I do wish they’d put commas between the distinct phrases in the model names.

[tired sky]

Key words like this need defining in the rules.

[weak sun]

It exists, though is admittedly a little loose.

[finite helm]

The big one is that faction is always the first tag on a model

[tired sky]

I read that rules section, before posting on here. I love this game for its clarity. The definition of faction just needs to be worded better

[finite helm]

Except on Southern Kriels, apparently, which I just realized and is kind of baffling.

[tired sky]

Brilliant! 🤣

It just needs clarification in the rule book and standardising

[shut frost]

Don't some models change faction based on context

Raheera for instance

[silk grail]

Not anymore, no. Rahera in Cryx is a different card than Rahera in Mercenaries. Her Cryx card says "Cryx Blackfleet Scharde Warcaster", her Mercenary card says "Mercenary Privateer Scharde Talion Charter Warcaster"

[narrow leaf]

Mercenary Attached models change to become the faction of the model they are attached to.

[shut frost]

They are both raheera 1

[silk grail]

I’m not sure how that’s relevant

[shut frost]

They are the same card

The location changes their keywords

So the faction isnt tied to the card

Its 100% arbitrary

[silk grail]

They are not the same card, they have different tags and are in different locations. You cannot add a Rahera card that’s says “Cryx” to a Mercenary list. If your list includes Rahera the Mercenary Warcaster she is never also a Cryx Warcaster in your list.

By that logic the card for Vilkul the Warcaster in Winter Korp and Vilkul the Solo with the Journeyman Warcaster rule in Old Umbrey are the same card despite being totally different model types with different rules.

Outside of the situation Loren presented with Mercenary Attached models the Faction on the models card in the Army you are playing never changes. Some models simply have cards in multiple Factions

[shut frost]

If they arent the same card why are they both raheera1?

[distant pivot]

They're not the same card but they are the same character.

If, somehow in the future, there were ever a way for them both to possibly be in the same force, they can't both be there at the same time.

The fact that they're not different "numbers" doesn't really matter, because they're not in same army, so there's no need to further distinguish them.

[shut frost]

Then why are old witch 2 and 3 distinguished?

[finite helm]

Because they didn't use the same rules when they came out in an edition in which the army set up didn't exist.

[shut frost]

Heard

[celest glen]

The numbering system for characters feels either vestigial or not yet robust enough to really be needed in this edition

[finite helm]

It's needed for legacy reasons, really.

Because legacy factions do have multiple versions of the same character that they could theoretically field together.

[silk grail]

and who knows, maybe someday they'll do a Farrow Army with Carver 3 in it, for example

[distant pivot]

Or Magnus3 might show up.

[finite helm]

Even in Prime Army of Legends - Blindwater Congregation features both Barnabas 2 and Barnabas 0.

[silk grail]

I would really like to see the second model name line split out into clearer sections now that they don't need to squeeze onto a physical card.

ex
Kapitan Yana Kovoskiy
Faction: Khador
Army: Old Umbrey
Tags: Warlock

Hazaroth, Narcissar of Ruin
Faction: Dusk
Army: House Kallyss
Tags: Warcaster, Eldritch

Admiral Boomhowler
Faction: Southern Kriels
Army: Brineblood Marauders
Tags: Warlock, Trollkin

or at least put commas in

ex
Admiral Boomhowler
Southern Kriels, Brineblood Marauders, Trollkin, Warlock

[distant pivot]

And what, miss out on gems like these?

[royal viper]

This is especially useful for newcomers who have no or very little knowledge of the setting.

What may seem obvious to us may not seem as such to them.

[proud stratus]

Or just Bold or Italic the Faction