If a unit with prey attacks their prey target with a momentum weapon, do any other models in the prey target unit suffer collateral equal to the POW of the weapon +2 damage for prey if the model is slammed into them?
#Momentum and Prey
glass finch
Additionally would a preyed unit take +2 collateral if a non preyed model is slammed into them by the friendly unit with Prey?
sterile bear
I know it's off topic, but I've played this game for a LONG time and never even thought about this. It makes me unreasonably happy.
iron kettle
I'd first like to ask what army has this combo? it sounds like an interesting combo.
Second, here is those abilities
My understanding is that since Collateral damage isn't from the weapon/model, it's just using the POW from it. It wouldn't receive the bonus. Much like how electro leap or the like wouldn't.
astral flax
Collateral damage is not considered to be damage from the model, so it doesn't benefit from Prey.
(electro leap on the other hand does benefit from Prey)
glass finch
(electro leap on the other hand does benefit from Prey)
Why would electro leap? It is also not from the model. Same reason it doesn't get magic weapon from the model?
glass finch
I'd first like to ask what army has this combo? it sounds like an interesting co...
New Black 13th.
astral flax
Why would electro leap? It is also not from the model. Same reason it doesn't ge...
Electro leap is damage from the model: #1326761411677917317 message
wild swift
Does Gladiator not function then?
It's a rule on the model, thus it's ignored while making the damage roll? It shares identical wording on its damage modification as Prey, with the exception it specifies only power attack damage rolls benefit while prey inclusively applies to all damage rolls.
Both of them are modifying the normal rolls for damage rolls which would supercede the typical rules? If one works why does the other not?
astral flax
Gladiator does not work because the collateral damage from Momentum is not a "power attack collateral damage". It is just collateral damage.
wild swift
Its a rule on the model. Does power attack Collateral Damage rolls allow those then?
So rage would benefit them for example?
And by the same, if a model with prey did a power attack the resulting collateral damage would benefit from the prey because it's not a collateral damage roll, it's a power attack Collateral Damage which is different?
I mention rage because that's generally more accessable for models doing power attacks
And would then by that logic apply?
blissful lodge
Gladiator works because it specifically calls out the interaction with collateral damage
wild swift
By rules you don't modify damage so both are changing how you normally play. Prey/Rage is the more inclusive applying just to damage rolls. And all three, including Gladiator are rules on the model. Does a modifying rule need to specify exactly what damage rolls it applies to to supercede rules in the book?
Both Rage and Prey specify damage rolls
But that does not supercede collateral damage and gladiator does
astral flax
Because Gladiator specifically calls out collateral damage rolls
wild swift
Does a rule need to specify what it's modifying to supercede normal rules
blissful lodge
yes
wild swift
Ok
blissful lodge
if prey mentioned collateral damage rolls it would modify them
wild swift
It doesn't mention ranged or melee either, does it still modify those?
blissful lodge
yes
wild swift
Alright