#Scoring Timing on Wolves, Payload, Invasion

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carmine horizon
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What is the timing on victory condition via jackpot ( bonus score) that happens at the end of the denoted turn?

Do you:

Score the objectives you hold
Check win condition
Move objectives
Score Jackpots

Or is the win condition checked again after jackpots score?

oblique heath
carmine horizon
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The link in that thread is dead and it fails to address the specific timing question on all aforementioned scenarios

scenic anchor
sudden bronze
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Sometimes tagging the Infernals helps them notice threads that may otherwise get buried

scenic anchor
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True. Let's do that. @versed kelp @vale anvil : SR24 is almost over. Any chance we can know how it's actually played before we start asking questions about SR25? (btw, hoping SR25 wordings take these questions into consideration and are clearer)

versed kelp
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Let me take a look
I know we discussed it, posted what it was in our internal discussion. I think we may have forgot to post the final result

versed kelp
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So end result can't down to this
You'll move objectives, score
Then check for victory

minor heron
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When do you score the other objectives?

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And is there a check for victory phase after that (and thus before moving the objectives)?

carmine horizon
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Does the victory check happen before or after jackpot scoring?

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All it says is to check “After scoring”

minor heron
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It isn't the first time when a ruling regarding SR2024 has been directly against what the rules say/said. Just please make it crystal clear to everyone how it should be played. At least to me it still isn't.

scenic anchor
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I think what Bulldog's saying is:

  • normal scoring
  • move
  • bonus scoring
  • check for victory
    @versed kelp for confirmation?
oblique heath
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Also please confirm if Wolves bonus point timing is different from payload/Invasion bonus point timing as Wolves just says score then move, while the others trigger the bonus with the move.

carmine horizon
oblique heath
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RAW yes, and it makes it an even scenario as a result

carmine horizon
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Both players have 4 opportunities to move the objective

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2 on bottom of turns and 2 on top?

oblique heath
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Right

carmine horizon
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Gotcha.

minor heron
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This is not a rules discussion but I'd say with that interpretation the 1st player has a clear advantage because of the board position

carmine horizon
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So wolves order is
•Jackpot
•Move
•Score
•Victory check

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And invasion and Payload go
•Score
•Move
•Jackpot
•Victory check

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@versed kelp is this correct?

oblique heath
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Recon:
• Score
• Check for victory

Battlelines:
•Score
•Check for Victory
•Move objectives

Wolves:
•Score (including bonus)
•Check for Victory
•Move objectives

Payload:
•Score
•Check for Victory
•Move objectives
•Score bonus if applicable
•Check for Victory

Two Fronts:
•Score (including bonus)
•Check for Victory

Invasion:
•Score
•Check for Victory
•Move objectives
•Score bonus if applicable
•Check for Victory

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This is my understanding based on prior infernal/dev commentary and RAW.
Would love a comprehensive definitive answer on it

versed kelp
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I agree that some go out of order of how they are presented in the doc, Loren has definitely made sure to address for the new doc. Give me a moment and I'll post for 2024 please

vale anvil
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Recon

  1. Score
  2. Check Victory

Battlelines

  1. Score
  2. Move Objectives
  3. Check Victory

Wolves

  1. Score
  2. Move objectives
  3. Check for Wolves Bonus
  4. Check Victory

Payload

  1. Score
  2. Move Objectives
  3. Check for Payload Delivery bonus
  4. Made to Haul (if 50 has been removed skip this step there is no objective to move toward)
  5. Check for Victory

Two Fronts

  1. Score
  2. Check for Victory

**Invasion **

  1. Score
  2. Move Objectives
  3. Check Invasion bonus
  4. Check Victory

I admit the text describing the timing wasn't as clear on that as I was hoping. Something that is going to be improved for '25

oblique heath
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Thank you for this

vale anvil
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of course :)

carmine horizon
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The text of wolves says different in the SR packet. Does order listed above supersede the text of the packet?

versed kelp
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Yes

scenic anchor
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Thanks a lot!

minor heron
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Great to have it covered clearly. I think this is how the scenarios have been played most (as that's the most intuitive way) even though the rules text is different regarding wolves and payload.

carmine horizon
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Thanks @vale anvil and @versed kelp feels good to have this cleared up. If nothing else this is a testament to how well you’ve trained the player base to want a timing chart 😂