DCS

[tired apex]

they actually changed the origial message

5 min after they posted it

[violet brook]

whats the difference

am i blind

[whole cove]

Originally it was "A/A and A/G on launch" Now it's "A/A now and A/G later"

[violet brook]

ohhh

i see now

man i do hope we at least get like dumb bombs on release

and deal with PGMs later

[forest flint]

Surely ccip mk82’s cannot possibly be that difficult

Knowing HB they need to make it so that each electron carrying the electrical impulse that signals the pylon to release needs to be as accurately modelled

[naive osprey]

I mean their OG post in 2021 also stated A/A first, probably just a typo or miscommunication

[sinful fiber]

We love heatblur

[summer depot]

Force feedback UFC OBVIOUSLY.

[stone plover]

according to their IG, upgraded operation and hard keys

[mortal badge]

force feedback on a stick is sick

tried it out at an airshow yesterday in a t-38 sim and it was so cool

feels a lot more realistic

[silent yarrow]

I’m waiting for the soon™ to be released Cyber Taurus. Gonna make the Tomcat come alive.

[rugged fog]

https://tenor.com/view/devious-sneaky-mischievous-devious-emoji-emoji-gif-7227221993209595045

[mortal badge]

an affordable ffb stick might actually get me back into dcs

[gusty pollen]

moza has the ab6

it's like 400 bucks and includes a stick

[mortal badge]

😢 400

[summer depot]

100% worth it, recently bought one.the best part is there is no center detent,you can snag one up on alibaba for like 250$ and it's compatible with any flight stick that use DIM connectors

[stone plover]

VIRPIL keeps teasing FFB. Would be very interested if they make it backwards compatible with the grips. Would 100% pick up a VFX grip just for Tomcattery if that's the case.

oh damn...it looks like the VFX grip has been discontinued 🙁

[gusty pollen]

It's sadly as affordable as it gets

before the ab6 was the ab9 which is 500 for just the base (another 100-150 for the stick)

and before the ab9 the only other viable option was some dude who either diy'd one or sent you the parts to diy one (~1000 bucks)

which you had to order via google forms lmao

[mortal badge]

i will wait to make expensive flight sim purchases until summer, need to save up a bit for potentially a newer car idk yet

i might get into dcs still with my regular hotas tho idk,

[stone plover]

Get in if you want to...don't need to have a crazy hotas or FFB

Only thing I would say is a TDC joystick or hat is helpful for A/A and A/G but it depends on what you want to fly.

I'm trying to get back into it with my puppy figuring out his routine. Def trying to put some more time into the F-14 and RIO specifically so I can be ready for the upgrade from Heatblur.

[summer depot]

Dude, I started on a tflight hotas x

If u have a keyboard and mouse that's more than enough

[mortal badge]

i have an okay set up that i got to get a good grade on this one exam

it’s just time commitment on learning in dcs is not very appealing since my friends do not play

[stone plover]

get new friends

[mortal badge]

it’s the t1600m with rudder pedals i got off marketplace

[stone plover]

but yeah...I get it

1600m is great...that's what I did a lot of my learning on

[mortal badge]

you may be onto something

[stone plover]

LOL

I've yet to find any IRL friends that want to play DCS unless it's over at my place

[summer depot]

Nice to notice that DCS Isn't the problem here

[cerulean vapor]

RIO'ing in dcs is definitely some of the most fun ive had on the game

the backseat in the 14 is so clean

[summer depot]

Schlong

[cerulean vapor]

i like being in the back seat for the f4, but on so many pvp servers you are just hugging the deck, so you are kind of useless as the pilot can manage all the boresight stuff

[stone plover]

Some of the most memorable flights was when I had Emann in the back as I was learning the tomcat. Also jumping into the back solo to do a TWS launch just feels cumbersome

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/ik2ImTT5ia8?si=hYc1XZB_44Bhy6tz
More Flankers, meanwhile the F-5 doesn't get AIM-9L/M, Digital Radios, or INS.
(It has been confirmed by Wags the F-5E is no longer the -3 model, but rather something more reflective of a USN / USAF aggressor version, a buyback from the Swiss Air Force or so, which has a newer RWR suite, Digital Radios, and perhaps even the APG-67 Radar and INS.)

[gusty pollen]

pretty sure this is a mod and doesn't have much to do with the F-5

[whole cove]

What I’m saying is; a team of third party people (not even contracted to work with ED) do more work than ED does

[gusty pollen]

incredibly retarded take but ok

🤷‍♂️

[whole cove]

Fair to think that way.
To be honest,
A) I don’t give a shit about Flankers
B) I’ve only been asking and begging ED for an F-5 weapons update for two years
C) The quality of work on the Flanker mods is up there with even the older/not as polished 3rd party modules or better. Good enough to potentially be contracted with ED as a Third Party and actually get paid to do it.

But that’s just my $0.02

[gusty pollen]

It's one thing to disagree with what ED does or doesn't do (of which there's valid criticisms to be made) but saying that a mod team does more work compared to the company that literally built the game that the mod requires to function just because they dont want to add some aim-9s or radio is wild

crazy-ah entitlement

[whole cove]

More work in a shorter timeframe. How many Flanker mods have the Flanker team made in the last 4 years? How many original aircraft have ED made in the last 4 years?

But whatever

[gusty pollen]

Those metrics aren't comparable in the slightest but either way the flanker team seemingly made 2 (Su-30 and Su-35) while ED made 3 (Mig-29, AH-94, and CH-47)

if you dont wanna count the mig-29 then they're tied i guess

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/j-hQrOJmRoc?si=0gIIYxMvv_HO-sC5

[violet brook]

god damn she sexy

[tranquil breach]

Might hop on later tonight int the tomcat if anyone wants to join

[violet brook]

seeing things like this makes me want the f4 so bad but man its old systems are awfully intimidating

[whole cove]

It's fun. Jester is good, but a Human WSO is better-ish, most of the stuff is actually really simple once you get in the groove

[sinful fiber]

The human won’t get you the funny early ejection moments

( I got shot at and lost half my wing, perfectly valid to eject)

[whole cove]

New video out on YouTube and Patreon:
https://youtu.be/1q19IxY6T1o
https://www.patreon.com/posts/cockpit-ep-6-dcs-154972987...
If you like the video, subscribe to my YouTube Channel: (It doesn't cost you anything) https://www.youtube.com/@20thFS
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Thank you, and enjoy!

[whole cove]

Probably gonna try and make another video this week

That, and hop back in DCS for the first time in a month. Maybe just 4YA or something.

[stone plover]

might be down for some fun tonight if the puppy isn't being an asshole

[whole cove]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9Af0cTu8P-g?si=wnburX2217qw1NSt
https://youtube.com/shorts/iLFiO3mAC6g?si=_6gu_OHoD-_xTEik
Gunsight and Snakeyes.
Want to try my hand at shorts quick. lmk what you think! 😁

[hushed imp]

I might be able to fly

[stone plover]

https://tenor.com/view/the-blues-brothers-blues-brothers-john-belushi-dan-aykroyd-band-back-together-gif-227133821018348453

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/7ISn1GytpdA?si=KRm0V-2nZqFKbMeU

[stone plover]

should be jumping on in ~30

[hushed imp]

@stone plover @whole cove I can get on dcs now

[stone plover]

Cool. What server you want?

[hushed imp]

tti?

[stone plover]

Sure. I'm on Socal 1 right now.

[violet brook]

anyone here got the mirage f1?

[whole cove]

I'm waiting to buy it for the F-1M

[violet brook]

yeah i wanna get around to learning it before the f1m comes out so i can get into that

was planning on trialing it sometime this week

figured id see if anyone round here knew how to fly it and could lend a hand

[stone plover]

not as of yet...I keep waffling between "you have enough modules" and either the C130 or Apache

[stone plover]

also @hushed imp - no idea what happened to you last night...TACVIEW showed you were diving for the deck and then just disappeared well above terrain with no ordinance anywhere near you

https://tenor.com/view/langley-thanos-gif-20432464

[whole cove]

deeecooooos

[whole cove]

Finally found my F-5E flight manual that talks about the INS. Yes, F-5E had an optional INS set. DMd Wags, NineLine, and BIGNEWY on the forums including the place to find the manual, along with some T-38 and F-20 data.
Maybe some change will finally come of it

[summer depot]

yet another wt player leaking manuals

[keen scroll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/s/brWzvZCkEN

Holy reddit post batman

Guys going on a schizo rant

[summer depot]

you know its over when they pull out em charts

this guy thinks hes smarter than everyone thats ever flown a dogfight

[keen scroll]

He has such groundbreaking statements as "if you are both at 500kts and one pulls 9g and the other 7.5g, the 9g fighter wins"

Wowzees

Who would have thought that

[summer depot]

he must be the son of his father

what a fucking genius'

[weary pawn]

"Hello sir, there might be a slight misunderstanding. The F-16 has a G limit of 9G (9.5G in Falcon BMS). That being said, once you’ve reached the 9G limit, you can’t pull any harder or convert more energy into angle gain. And as you said, gaining more energy under such conditions will result in overspeeding and losing the fight.

Furthermore, you don’t win a fight because you have more energy, you win because your gun is pointed at your enemy. Hence, what we are doing here is trying to get the kill as quickly as possible, even if it means trading all our energy for the first shot."

[forest flint]

“The fighter pulling 9G’s will”

The 9X i just launched at 85° to the side:

[gusty pollen]

didnt read the post yet but fwiw I do think USAF is teaching new BFM in someway

There's this instagram page that's like a FAIP shitpost page and one of their memes was this incredibles scene

https://tenor.com/view/math-meme-math-is-math-meme-mr-incredible-the-incredibles-the-incredibles2-gif-20591317

But in relation to BFM and their new way that they're teaching

And how one circle and two circle wasn't emphasized as much or somethin

they called the new way some acronym which I couldn't find on google

[whole cove]

Allllrighty, Wags says nope! They're 100% focused on "Swiss buyback F-5s" so my 1978 manual source doesn't have the applicable info.

https://giphy.com/gifs/finally-atlast-itsover-t8QSeqwoy0Ol2

[keen scroll]

Let's just say I know a guy that knows a guy that clowned on that post (and the guy happens to be USAF)

Also holy

Hes kirkenuenly stupid

He can't even read his own EM diagrams 😭

[whole cove]

Can we get this guy banned from life 😭

[keen scroll]

What could those funny contour lines be for

Must have been the wind

Also what 😭 😭 😭

A clean F-16 keeps accelerating past 500kts 9g on the deck

This guy should become a politician

I have never seen someone be so confidently wrong in the face of facts and logic

[forest flint]

Thats so awesome for all the clean f-16’s that get into dogfights during active combat

[keen scroll]

The humble DCS dogfighters server

[fringe pine]

I wish I could time travel to 5 minutes ago when I didn't read all this incorrect slander on my aircraft. He's painfully wrong.

[whole cove]

Go teach 'em a lesson, big dog

Also hi, haven't seen you in a while!

[fringe pine]

Hey dude!

[whole cove]

New Video on YouTube and Patreon!
Today's Lesson is Takeoff and Landing in the F-5E Tiger II for DCS World.
https://youtu.be/F2lq3Iipr1E
https://www.patreon.com/posts/cockpit-ep-7-f-155637551?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
https://www.youtube.com/@20thFS

Share with your friends if you like, be sure to subscribe for more content! Thank you for watching.

[whole cove]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gjwXWajtIdg?si=CpOgmJjbm0-phJUc

[whole cove]

Today's Mission: Air Combat.
New video on YouTube and Patreon:
https://youtube.com/shorts/uoOjYfWCGRQ
https://www.patreon.com/posts/cockpit-shorts-3-156110240?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Like what you see? Feel free to subscribe to my YouTube Channel and join my Patreon, share with your friends, like, comment, and I'll see you in the skies!
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[stone plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5pJ8Sge_iE

[naive osprey]

holy refresh pull

[stone plover]

right? sometimes right place, right time

[whole cove]

AIM-9Es? FINALLY!

Also Shrikes and Bullpups, gonna be an AWESOME complement to the Phantom.

Hehehehe

MOAR LOW TECH!
I’m totally gonna make some videos about The Hun. It juuuuust barely squeaks in my timeframe (‘69-‘99.)

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/MGGIYTyKdXo?si=Uj6_RLVtT_nv_hge
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[violet brook]

oh fuck yeah

[orchid dew]

Hoolyyy shitttttttt

Winter Syria map 🥹

[stone plover]

y'all ever hear of this server?

sounds interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf0dl0WBkRI&t=533s

[silent yarrow]

Eh, looks like a Shadow Reapers concept, which was fun for a minute but then ended up just being a waste of time. It’s a cool concept if everybody follows the missions.

[late torrent]

Hotas has arrived... time to sink a portion of my existence into this game.

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-tucker-the-thick-of-it-glare-did-you-know-gif-18523223

[stone plover]

welcome to the addiction

https://tenor.com/view/crying-gif-7535225382251488243

[abstract gulch]

ive finally gotten away so if you want my addiction you can have it!

get ready for 1,700 hours in 4 and a half years

[whole cove]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[sinful fiber]

I have about 400 hours in the tomcat just doing dumb shit lol

I’m not good by any means

[silent yarrow]

Which modules are you interested in?

[stone plover]

I fully expect to be back in Tomcat exclusivity when the B(U) update happens.

[late torrent]

The game plan is to free trial the F-16 until the steam sale hits. Then hopefully it's F-16 & Syria

Then the Typhoon

In 1 Billion years

[silent yarrow]

Yeah, if you are going to buy a map, it’s Syria.

[teal dune]

i need to get back in to dcs
i got some very barebones knowledge of the hornet but then stopped a few months ago
now probably isn't the best time with exams though

[late torrent]

I'm going to say something controversial so brace yourself... I think the F-18, is ugly.

[teal dune]

i mean it's not my favourite plane
i just picked it as a good multirole to learn the game with
i'm intending to main the viggen once i learn the game better

[late torrent]

First of the Viggen is based asf but tbh, the F-18 is the best multirole in the game rn right? I just dont like the looks personally

[silent yarrow]

I’ve been spending a lot if time on the SPS Contention server. Right now it’s Era 1 in Syria (no fox3, no smokeless a/a missiles or sams). Getting into the Tomcat has been really fun.

[late torrent]

That sounds fun

[teal dune]

f16 and f18 are very similar in capability
the only reason i chose the hornet over the viper is since it's carrier capable

[late torrent]

Yeah It's hard to sacrifice the carrier stuff but I just love the viper too much lol

tiger tiger tiger iykyk

[silent yarrow]

The Viggen is pretty awesome. Trialed it a while back, but decided not to pursue.

[teal dune]

i love the low and fast strike style (it's the main thing i run in vtol with the f45 in non-ops) so that's what really drew me to it
plus the short runway capability

[stone plover]

Hornet seems to have the best toys at the moment armament wise + boat stuff if that's your jam.

[silent yarrow]

If you are looking for something simplistic and pretty much capable of anything, the JF-17 could be worth a look.

[stone plover]

overall, can't really go wrong with either Hornet or Viper for a first choice as far as depth of systems + usability online

I am interested in taking a look at Jeff...that one could be a lot of fun.

[silent yarrow]

True.

[stone plover]

JF-17 cockpit reminds me of Harrier for some reason, so it makes me sad I never got it 🙁

[silent yarrow]

It’s not really as capable as the 16/18 but also is incredibly easy to employ.

[stone plover]

cries in Razbam

[teal dune]

i would have loved to fly the harrier
it's a shame

[silent yarrow]

M2000. Was on my list to try but never did. 😔

[stone plover]

also, F-15E...more multicrew forever

at least we have the Tomcat

[whole cove]

https://tenor.com/view/dcs-f4-wobble-gif-15887440356278607769

Embrace Spooky

[late torrent]

If anyone would like to teach me how to fly an F16 then yeah, I'm here

[stone plover]

Chuck will be happy to do so

https://chucksguides.com/aircraft/dcs/f-16cm/

[whole cove]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGo_N6aPluMIqnapWb5-i6VwP3bM6fb_e&si=tdxCUYTptvL-OKLf
And this guy

(I was gonna do a series like this on the Viper wah wah)

[stone plover]

gets really good around page 553

but start off easy...learn one or two things at time, practice and then learn one or two more things
my .02-
I always begin any module...startup, takeoff, landing

rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat

once I feel mostly good there, I'll start to branch out to whatever interests me most (A2A, A2G, etc)

[whole cove]

This^^

Get the basics down first, then venture into systems and weaponry

[stone plover]

Download some of the missions that are basically just gunnery ranges so you can practice with everything.

I think this is the one I use-

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3328191/

Start offline to practice some basics and get some reps in. Multiplayer can quickly become overwhelming and more importantly many have an expectation of proficiency. You don't want to get banned in your opening days in DCS from Grayflag, TTI or 4YA because you hadn't figured out IFF'ing or accidentally collided on a runway.

Also...your true FIRST step is actually figure out your binds...

https://tenor.com/view/goodfellas-wiseguys-funny-guy-gangster-hilarious-gif-19855283

folks here are happy to weigh in, give tips and tricks and occasionally fly together

I think almost everyone has the Viper

[whole cove]

I guess I gotta hop back into the seat again this week. Anyone have any ideas for videos for me to make? Kinda burned out from low tech stuff, and all this F-16 talk got me in the mood.

[cerulean vapor]

“Burn out from low tech stuff” what did you do with Joe.

[whole cove]

I know right? lmao.

[stone plover]

<@&1095016968643428422> diccus tonight?

[north ermine]

It's D&D night bruv

nobody is ever free fridays

[lime tulip]

TnT is tonight, but I'm going to be away

[hushed imp]

I can probably be around

[forest flint]

vintorez cooki8ng up some viper mods

woops wrong mesage

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/qKj4FyCaHXs?si=XOJlrn7fcBOYGXGR
SEX

[summer depot]

Indeed.

[violet brook]

sex

[whole cove]

Deeecooooos

[late torrent]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Tu5YzWenRCrQZEnGp5

[whole cove]

Flying the F-15E again reminds me just how awesome it is. Even just the TGP and A/G radar flying around NTTR.

[late torrent]

@whole cove What server are you in? Mind if I join you?

[whole cove]

I'm in Singleplayer, sadly. My DCS is not up to date.

[late torrent]

SMH

[whole cove]

I'm waiting for the big Summer update to hit

[late torrent]

Could've been cinema

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/JenH3nam0xY?si=8Lg3lWW5gU9CQjL2
I never knew the Viper had DBS A/G Rdr mode. Insane quality.

I'm gonna be playing the shiz out of the Viper now.

[stone plover]

I don't use ground radar enough to know how this stacks up against the Hornet...my knee jerk reaction is that this looks far more detailed

[keen scroll]

Hornet has more radar wattage so realistically it should be worse than the hornet

But in DCS nothing makes sense

The hit simulator where the decade newer pod has worse resolution and a warmup three times as long

[whole cove]

The Hornet should have a better absolute closest EXP clarity. The APG-73 does have medium resolution SAR ground mapping mode.

The Viper does not. It has DBS 1 and 2, but no SAR capability.

[weary pawn]

I only use the 16 radar in GMT, only way to really pick up anything in a timely manner

[silent yarrow]

The F-14 RIO syllabus is crazy! Trying to understand how to interpret DDD symbology and how it is different depending on the WCS mode. Confusing.

[whole cove]

iirc, some modes show closure, some show distance

[silent yarrow]

Yeah

[whole cove]

Alright, I'm biting the bullet and updating to latest version. I figure the QoL updates for stuff like the F-4, C-130 and Viper are worth the risk of other stuff being broken.

[stone plover]

I shall have to get the Viper back into rotation.

[stone plover]

it gets negelected in the rotation

[whole cove]

Ah yes, the A-10C II which I most certainly have and don’t fly 😭

Same with the Viggy

Bought it and have yet to fly it

[silent yarrow]

I’ve been flying the Tomcat a lot more recently. Been a lot of fun. It’s so capable. Really looking forward to the B(U). Although it does have some quirky flight characteristics.

[whole cove]

Man, F-18 JDAMs are a pain!
F-16 supremacy

All the WPDES this, TDC depress that.
It took me about 40 minutes to drop 2 GBU-32s on a MP server tonight. That's how long it took me to figure out the TOO workflow in the Hornet. (Plus the first time I got shot down by a stinger, and after the second (failed) drop, I got shot down by an AI hornet with AIM-9M) Wah Wah

Another reason why the F-16 (although limited in carry capacity) is better than the Hornet.

I really wish the inner pylons were smart-weapon capable. It's sad when you can only carry 2-4 JDAMs and up to 6 GBU-12s or 4 GBU-10/24.
Unguided Bombing is still tons of fun, up to 6x Mk82s and still have two drop tanks and four AAMs.

[cerulean vapor]

I really hate how bad the 18s waypoint system is

I like bringing 4x mk 83 and then 4x zuni pods when I’m trying to have more fun, because I agree tossing dumb bombs is a lot of fun

[tired apex]

the f 16 is the f45 of dcs

[teal dune]

maybe I should get the viper

[stone plover]

Is it not just arm/align JDAM, TDC depress on target, fly to launch zone and profit?

[whole cove]

Kinda. The whole mark point / waypoint thing kept tripping me up

[stone plover]

oh yeah...I normally stay far away from that shit

I'm a simpleton. If waypoints aren't provided, I make 2 before I takeoff - where I'm going and where I'm heading back to

[silent yarrow]

You mean you don’t want to start with an IP, to which then you are given coordinates of a jtac position, to which you apply offset aim point numbers to, to then find the target location?

[stone plover]

The day I encounter a live JTAC online that doesn't let lines 1-3 start from the overhead, I'll spend the time to learn.

[stone plover]

Question for you viper glazers-

I'm jumping on to change around some binds and wanted to ask how often Dogfight mode or Missile Override are used by y'all. Current just got the A/A and A/G buttons bound readily, but want to see what I was missing.

Trying to see what I can offload to the control panel versus what needs to be on the throttle. Damn DMS hat is fucking everything up.

[whole cove]

I used it just last night when I got bounced by an Eagle lol.
It's probably situational, depends on if you're flying CAP or Strike. I have enough binds to make it work on my Hoggy HOTAS.

[rugged fog]

if you have A/A bound you dont really need missile override but dogfight is always useful and will get you to acm radar modes super quickly

the other advantage is that because of how the viper saves things you can pre set your dogfight mode to have 9x or 120 selected, a specific hsd scale and stuff like that

[fringe pine]

The dogfight switch is extremely useful, especially in mixed role sorties where A/G, BVR, and WVR employment needs to happen quickly.

[whole cove]

Ayyy! My favorite resident Viper expert.

New Drip. New emblems on the sides of the intake, see image 6.
I'm in love with the early Hill scheme. Have Glass V is cool and all, but this is really sexy. Classic Fighting Falcon.
(There's a goober on the tail, and the guy I commissioned this livery from forgot to mirror the ACC emblem on the starboard side of the vert stab, I'll try and fix it someday.)

[whole cove]

Fixed emblems and up to date livery. Install in your Saved Games Folder, Liveries, F-16C_50
Free for you all to use in SP, MP, all of the above. Supports Custom Board Number.

The Specular / Metallic / Roughmap is INSANE. The dude I commissioned for this did an incredible job.

The tinted glass is not shown, but I do believe it works/is compatible.

[summer depot]

only dogfight mode is useful tbh

[tired apex]

Yuh

I have never used missile override, I just switch to a/a

Dogfight mode however is goated

Especially if you have trackir or vr

Cause you can slew the radar to the hmcs

[stone plover]

thanks for the feedback folks...I'll look to incorporate dogfight mode into the binds!

[weary pawn]

Dogfight mode is vital. Missile Override is just a fast-track AA mode.

[tranquil breach]

The way I use it is I set my normal aa search to rws or vs and my missile override to tws, and I can switch between them just by flipping the switch

[whole cove]

RWS my beloved

We STT up in this bih

[tranquil breach]

Vs also lets you squeeze out some range on hot targets

[whole cove]

True!

[weary pawn]

DTT for RWS is where its at

[whole cove]

I gotta figure out how to make the Bort Number the light gray, but YOOOOO Have Glass V Livery WIP!!
(I'm learning livery shiz yayyyyyy!)

[whole cove]

I'm finally finished with my first livery for DCS!
Holy cow, as compared to the SD ANG livery it looks LEGIT!!
No Dynamic Bort Number sadly, as I couldn't figure out how to make it light colored / work as I wanted it to.
Huge Thanks to TEXAC for the template
Shmoo42 for the original 20thFS "Flight Lead" livery this is based off of, and Wyvern, Mach3DS, Mustang, and everyone else who helped me out on the DCS Livery Art Group Discord.

If anyone is interested in a 20th FS livery, let me know. I might make a few for some of y'all on here if you want.
(I'm also gonna try and make one for the F-4E too hehe)

[whole cove]

I just noticed I forgot the walkway/no step lines on the wings! Doh!
(Fixed)

I thought something was up.. haha!

This template is AWESOME!
I only hope Heatblur's paintkit for the Phantom will be this good.

[whole cove]

I got the yellow glass working 😁
Copied it from another livery, it was just the main color wasn't working

[whole cove]

Sneak peek at the next WIP:
Based off of the F-104C Avril "Drag Racer" paint from Ace Combat 7.
Gotta add some patchwork paneling, adjust the anti-glare mask and radome roughness, and the cowling / engine shroud material. Unfortunately the drop tanks cannot be painted with a metallic / shiny roughmet, unless I somehow reverse engineer the roughmet with weathering and the stencils. I might also tone down the shininess a bit.

[whole cove]

F-16C "Drag Racer" livery,
Based on the F-104C Avril Skin from Ace Combat 7
Shiny with a metallic effect save for some "patch / primer panels" as well as a custom anti-glare stripe on the nose and radome.
Black Decals, No Bort Number, No Walkway Stripes, ideally made to be used without pylons for pure straight line speed. I'll have to figure out how to upload to user files.

[whole cove]

New Video!
Introducing the F-16CM to the 20th Fighter Squadron in DCS World.

https://youtu.be/f4llbEpLj-4

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[stone plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYwxAlfBhM

[whole cove]

I love all how HIP’s weekly news just goes over everything we ALREADY KNOW

It’s not that difficult to read the newsletters, or watch DeepHack and Jon do the same thing but better.
Same with keeping up with the updates on the website, change log, and reading Heatblur’s dev shouts.

I stopped watching HIP for this reason when people called him out on it, all he does is rehash things that have been known about for a week to few weeks or more

[cerulean vapor]

its good for the people who are looking into getting back into dcs but arent active in discords or constantly checking the website for patchnotes

(like me)

but i do also agree it seems like alot of the same stuff most of the time, or overhype

[whole cove]

I suppose, but I watch deephack. He's much friendlier and easier to talk to in his livestreams and on discord.

[whole cove]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFYNpsBahuYHgHSRWB1rjf6darg3M78gF&si=5GFb90Wzme4Y04r6
PEAK INCOMING

[stone plover]

fuck work...DCSing tonight

https://tenor.com/view/jim-breuer-half-baked-whos-comin-with-me-gif-16213738

[whole cove]

From Spudknocker's latest video, a pre-release look at the Hun:
AIM-9B to M, holy shit!
And AGM-45B!!!!

If it comes with the big summer update, we'll get Shrike B on the Phantom too!

BIG W

If only ED weren't morons and added the AIM-9 L and M to the F-5

morons

CONFIRMED

[stone plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHSz4-zeBD0

neat

[whole cove]

B(U) confirmed in ED's hands (kinda)

[stone plover]

not sure RIO practicing now is gonna help or hurt me with the new systems

[whole cove]

It'll be a good stepping stone

Man, these dev timeframes sure are long 😭

[rugged fog]

Radars the same and thats the biggest deal for Rio

[violet brook]

huge

really considering getting the f100d

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/PZhkhVMoDSQ?si=mvj4w4pWFvdfYxVa

HYPEEE

APG-71 in Grinnelli's latest video on the RHAW... 🤔
jk, I know it's just them playing around with all the data they have and doesn't mean much haha.

[stone plover]

Remember to close your eyes when firing at night.

[whole cove]

#1071574236403081287 message
F-14 Leaving Early Access next update. (When that comes, nobody knows)
Early A, IRIAF, exterior fixes / additions, glove vanes, TARPS Basic Functionality (no display in cockpit)
Yippee

[tired apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071574236403081287/1512215566541127872/tis_hud_recording_3.gif

ayo

[violet brook]

just tried to forward this

and got timeout nuked for 7 days lmfao

interesting text along with it....

perhaps tomorrow we will hear more about the B(U)?

[whole cove]

👀

Tomcat enjoyers eating good this year bro

[woven swift]

Eurofighter soon hopefully

[whole cove]

Not this year I'm afraid

[violet brook]

rafale coming before ef2000 at this point

[whole cove]

God I hope not.
🇫🇷 🦨

[stone plover]

I wonder if this is gonna move the needle for folks that didn't tomcat beforehand and we'll see nothing but F-14s online for the forseeable future.

[whole cove]

Probably for the first six months

Then people will go back to their main

[forest flint]

we will also be seeing super sabres too around the same time probably

we'll have lore accurate 1970's -1980s USAF/USN

[weary pawn]

50 dollar upgrade.. ontop of a 50 dollar (onsale) module 🥀

[cerulean vapor]

nah they said that it wasnt going to be full price

but who knows how expensive that means

[naive osprey]

For what aircraft?

[weary pawn]

14Bu

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/f-14bu/

[tired apex]

yuh

[naive osprey]

$50 for an upgrade💀

[tired apex]

baha should do that

[cerulean vapor]

i was wrong

[naive osprey]

Fucking 80 + 56

Yeah it's heatblur but that's ridiculous

[tired apex]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-so-over-it's-so-back-we're-back-furrend-we're-back-gif-14776134527725176612

[naive osprey]

It's not full price though😭

[cerulean vapor]

you can buy the f100D for the same price as the upgrade

[naive osprey]

Yeah but 80 is the full heatblur price, so 56 is under that

Fucking scummy

[cerulean vapor]

they better send you a 1:1 replica atp

[forest flint]

oh wait theyre selling the BU as an entire seperate module??

i see

i thought they were doing it like the F-5 remaster

but with an absurd price hike

yeah thats fuckin insane

[stone plover]

worth it

[naive osprey]

Seperate that requires the og f-14 module

[forest flint]

bro

so if yoiu dont have the f-14 its a $110 or somethhing

[naive osprey]

Ye

[stone plover]

can't lie that I'm a bit disappointed in the price...this feels a bit grabby

[violet brook]

it very much is

[stone plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Da8rs5U-a4

[naive osprey]

okay that continuous dogfight shot was really cool

[whole cove]

It’s an entirely new aircraft save for the model, what do you guys expect lmao?

A LOT of stuff is coming from the Phantom, so it’s worth it.

Plus, this has been like 5 years in the waiting. If you don’t want it, don’t buy it

It’s HeatBlur. They’re the best in the business.

I’ll put it this way, you can either buy the B(U) for DCS, the best sim in the genre, or buy the F-14D premium for snail thunder.

Which is a better deal?

[forest flint]

both suck lol

[naive osprey]

okay sure, but why do you need to buy the A/B model first then?

[silent yarrow]

Ya know, they gotta pay the bills too.

[whole cove]

Probably because it uses the same external MODEL as the B. Why wouldn’t people need to buy the existing model if that’s how it works?

[whole cove]

People don’t realize they spent $10,000 a DAY laser scanning their model in a museum.

[stone plover]

Indeed. I might be disappointed on how this is priced and sold, but if there is going to be a most expensive module it feels like it should be the F-14 based on the absolute depth and crazy good work that HB does.

but I don't disagree that $110 is a tall ask

[silent yarrow]

Yeah. But you are getting 4ish different aircraft.

[naive osprey]

4?

[silent yarrow]

Early A, A, B, B(u)

The early A and B(u) were not part of the original module agreement, so it makes sense to charge $ for them.

(Or at least for the B(u).)

[naive osprey]

I fully understand asking money for the BU

I just find it a bit off-putting that you can't get the BU separately
and that if you already have the A/B (not on sale), getting the combined package is more expensive for you than peeps who didn't have the A/B

[whole cove]

We get TWO campaigns with it, they run about $10-15 EACH, so really we’re getting the jet for $20-30 bucks.

One is a Baltic Dragon campaign too, and for modern jets he’s like the Reflected of campaign devs

[naive osprey]

that's missing the point

[violet brook]

i really wish they wouldve made it standalone

i dont really care for the A/B just because its in a weird era of technology that isnt that fun to me but id love to fly the B(U)

especially since the strike eagle is dead

[whole cove]

The point is, people will buy it who are truly passionate about it. If not, no sale

[naive osprey]

whale mentality

[violet brook]

so now to fly the B(U) i gotta cough up 136 bucks excluding any sales

and god knows theyll probably ride the storm of it coming out of early access and barely put the thing on sale for the next year

[whole cove]

That’s the norm

[naive osprey]

and that's bad

[whole cove]

If you don’t own it, you can get it on the HB website for $98.00

[violet brook]

still i mean

[whole cove]

Cope

[violet brook]

like i get im getting multiple aircraft technically from that 98 dollars

but

im literally only interested in flying one of those

thats where the problem lies i think

[whole cove]

That I can get. People ONLY want to fly the B(U) because of the new goodies and QoL stuff

[violet brook]

like as far as im concerned i wouldve had zero problem with them selling the B(U) as an entirely new aircraft lmao

[violet brook]

its not even that for me

i like old aircraft just as much as the next guy

but the A/B sit in this weird era of technology that just feels like an odd mix of just barely 3rd gen but just barely 4th gen as well

[whole cove]

I agree

I consider the 14A to be the last 3rd gen

[violet brook]

flying the A/B feels like using 3rd gen controls and panels to operate 4th gen equipment

just doesnt merge well for me

[whole cove]

That’s the limitation and niche that makes it fun

B(U) is a true 4th gen, maybe even 4+

[stone plover]

Shuttle face scan running up module costs

[naive osprey]

nah that's patrick

[naive osprey]

mirror image

[whole cove]

100%

[whole cove]

Had to laser scan every one of his mustache hairs

[stone plover]

fuck...you're right

[stray glade]

That heatblur trailer for the F-14B(U) was 🔥

[forest flint]

All the meme references in it was great

[whole cove]

I wish they had picked a more family friendly song though, I was watching it in front of my parents when LIMP BIZKUT started belting out f bombs

[gusty pollen]

yeah the pricing is a bit wild

Especially considering that the mirage f1 module is 4 aircraft packed into one for the price of one

I don't mind paying a bit more for an upgraded f-14 but 50 bucks is kinda out there

[old wedge]

😼

[rugged fog]

shuttle did it first

smh my head

[whole cove]

I actually wonder if the HB guys saw that somehow and took inspo

[rugged fog]

the pricing thing is weird, because from a development cost, time and distinctness compared to the other 14s puts the value proposition right at 50$ for existing owners. For someone that doesn't own the F-14 already the value proposition falls inline with all other FF modules at $80. Yet if you are only interested in the B(U) as a non 14 owner your paying 28% higher. The pricing scheme really should be selling it at $80 standalone $50 for an upgrade, and as a package for $120

[whole cove]

It is $80 standalone.

[weary pawn]

I just dislike how high the price is for the B(U); it's super neat, don't get me wrong. But it's a nearly FF price for a variant. I feel it'll set a bad precedent of "we'll make different variants of aircraft, and price them at FF prices while requiring the original aircraft", which I think is just bad for anyone getting into DCS.

[rugged fog]

the B(U) should be $80 standalone for non 14 owners

[rugged fog]

the upgrade value is spot on for how much is different, its the requiring the og module thats the real problem

you should be able to get just the B(U) for 80

[weary pawn]

agreed

[whole cove]

I gotcha. I mean, it is $98.00 on HB's website for the entire bundle

For $100 you get 4 aircraft, Early A, A-135, B, and B(U). That's $25 per aircraft for non-owners.

Not bad

Especially considering ED is selling the F-5E for $60+

[rugged fog]

yeah I mean thats objectively an amazing deal, but only if your interested in all the 14 variants

but even at $110 it undercuts current 14 owners a bit too much imo

there should be a discount for getting both at the same time but not more then $10-15

[forest flint]

something Mirage F1 4 planes

[violet brook]

I think the F1 and the F14 have the same thing though

actually wait no

the F1 variants are quite a bit different in-between each other

but like

with the F14 its hard to argue the whole 80 dollars for 3 planes thing because

if we're being so for real

[forest flint]

$50 for 4 planes for the F1 lol

[violet brook]

the A early, A, and B, are all very similar aircraft

like very tiny differences between the three

[forest flint]

speaking of horrible money purchases

im considering the suber sabre because i like th F-5 and A-4 quite a lot, but im hesitant because i have the F-5 and A-4 and like them a lot

[violet brook]

I want it because it looks awesome but I have no idea how much id actually play something like it

[forest flint]

i know its something i would like playing bc its so similar to the F-5 and A-4, but also its so similar to the F-5 and A-4

for $40 tho i mean its basically a steal

im a little worried the documentationmight not be good

[forest flint]

i jsut realzied F-100D looks like Flood

[rugged fog]

Early A is pretty distinct. Although and B is essentially an engine swap. B(U) on the otherhand is a bigger change than any of the mirages so it does deserve to standalone, the pricing is just a bit off

[forest flint]

No rwr and dumb bombs to full mfds and guided weapons is a pretty big jump compared to a better hud and digital mfds instead of crt’s

[rugged fog]

The jump is about equivalent if your going early A to B(U), but only if your considering the yet to be showcased f1M

Which massive props to aerges if they dont charge for it (likely) but that seems far more likely to be a fault of misguided early promises, there is no way that development cycle is profitable as is

[forest flint]

F1M maybe this year 🙏

[subtle ivy]

What if I don't want the campaigns

I'd be fine like you kind said $20-30, 40 at most

but 50 is a lot of clams

[forest flint]

n

4 sidewinders and still having more pylons is enticing

the rwr scares me

and the vag shaped front window

the spud spike video is saying lots of "if you like the F-5 but wanted a little more from it the F-100 is that experience"

[austere gyro]

Should i get the 16 or the bu i dont have the f-14b-a

[violet brook]

entirely depends what you wanna do

completely different aircraft to some extent

[austere gyro]

im thinking 16

[violet brook]

have you ever played DCS before

[austere gyro]

Yes i have the 18 f-4, and 15

ive been playing for a year

or 2

[violet brook]

then yeah man all up to you

depends which plane fits your interests

getting the BU means getting the full f14 lineup which means a more unique experience than getting the 16(especially considering you already have the 18) but if you enjoy the 18 considerably more than the f4 for example then go for it

[austere gyro]

prob the 16 i trialed it and i like it but the 14 is carrier capable and probe and drouge

i already know a bit of the 16

but i want the bu and not the a and b

but to get the bu i need the a and b

and i dont have that much money

[forest flint]

well then sounds like its not an option lol

[summer depot]

F-16 🔛 🔝

[stone plover]

Can you not trial the F14?

I'd say it's worth kicking the tires on it even if you plan on flying the BU.

[whole cove]

I think all HeatBlur modules are not opted in to the trial system

[hushed imp]

Viggen and tomcat are, phantom is not

[whole cove]

Oh weird

[hushed imp]

At least last time I trialed an aircraft that was true

[violet brook]

tomcat is intact triable

hmmmmm

I really wanna decide if I want the f100d or not

she looks so hot..

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/8sa-3BNYmUc?si=rNCGo6RiVll78Zas
Last chance to pre-order at the end there, two weeks

Hopefully Ugra has Syria good to go, F-4E fixes finally, and B(U) this summer

[subtle ivy]

You need to own the original F14 to use to BU