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Hello @muted bobcat can you share the transaction hash here. Please beware of scammers

muted bobcat
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Yes sir absolutely

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Thanks tony

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Redelegate tx hash 1

166b02caeff00bec713066c01309cff074c91b6a08ef3ed58852f3f0beaeed25

Redelegate tx hash 2

c1af19af63252d0f96cea332ecfd7ed1d5174683f862459b6eba66f8e8969456

One of these are the culprit

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One of the 28.47k redelegate hashes went through but the other did not

There are exactly 28.47k tokens missing from my total stake

So I know it's 100% one of these txs that's the issue

Need to recover these tokens

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muted bobcat
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Please check and let me know if you still think there's an error.

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@muted bobcat

muted bobcat
muted bobcat
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muted bobcat
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The tokens did not go missing UNTIL I submitted those two green redelegate transactions

Idk maybe the tokens are stuck/5 elements has to manually unstick them

muted bobcat
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I can send you my address so you can see

muted bobcat
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muted bobcat
dreamy hull
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Hey, out of the lab atm
I'll try to check it out later 🧐

muted bobcat
jolly fiber
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Someone had similar UI issue if u have more than 30 different validator delegation , i forgot which one it was but one of the interface support it

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My guess

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Is this the issue still ?

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There is same amount but different decimal

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248470 and another with .548399, you might be confused with total number of tokens you have ?

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May be you tried to relegate to two different validator and mistakenly did it to 1 on two transactions?

tacit moth
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this thread is all over the place

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I'll have a look later

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@muted bobcat could you please state in concise terms exactly how many tokens you believe you had delegated before redelegation and what you think happened to them (and how many you should have delegated to which validator now)?

tacit moth
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staking balance

muted bobcat
# tacit moth <@868663011462762516> could you please state in concise terms exactly how many t...

Right to be as concise as possible @tacit moth

I had 28470 NAM staked to TWO validators one was coverlet and I have forgotten the name of the other one

Long story short BOTH of those validators were JAILED so I decided to REDELEGATE from these TWO validators(I had 28.47k Nam staked to each one of the TWO validators)

I redelegated BOTH two separate validators to 5elements @dreamy hull

I also chose to redelegate ONE at a time to 5Elements nodes not both at once as we seem to be having lots of bugs as of late.

@dreamy hull hence the two redelegate transactions 28470 and 28470.5 total 56.94k (56940.54839)

The total amount I needed to redelegate from the two validators is 56940.548 that 56.940k was re staked to 5Elementsnode @dreamy hull in TWO separate transactions above

I then redelagated from each validator to 5 elements nodes ONE BY ONE (28470)

So the correct amount of nam that should be there showing on valopers and interface is 1,291,950 NAM!!!!!!

Look at my address on the explorer now and you will see ONLY 1,263,480 NAM

So in total I have exactly 28470 missing so I am ASSUMING as it's exactly 28.47k missing one of those redelegate transactions failed or tokens are stuck glitched or whatever

I want to get to the bottom of where those tokens are I want them back.

Yes one transaction had a decimal point of 0.5 something nam but that's irrelevant

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I really don't want to spell it out in this chat but you are forcing me

bag size is

28.47K nam missing exactly only 1263480.291 showing through valopers/5elementa namadilo interface should say 1291,950.291

We are short 28.47k nam

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If you don't believe me please look at my exchange deposits on valopers and do the math

It's absolutely CLEAR I have missing tokens here this is a serious bug.

Those two transactions are the culprit so wherever the tokens are gone it's to do with those two redelegate transactions that were directed from the jailed validators to 5 elements nodes one by one.

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Now do the math for me guys?

What is 1291950 (what should be showing as staked on valopers.) minus 1263480?(What is currently showing on valopers) = 28470!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can literally see the bug/problem in the math

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So the question is where are my coins?

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Add up every single exchange transfer to my wallet and you will calculate 1291950 NAM (including all staking rewards I've restaked)

nothing has been withdrawn and all yield has been staked

With common sense we can see 1.263 million showing on valopers (short 28.47k) which tells us one of the 28470 transfers has been staked but one of the transactions has caused 28470 exactly to go missing/transaction glitch whatever it is

We need to recover it

the tokens went missing in THOSE two redelegate transactions one clearly worked because we have

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I don't think I can get anymore clear than this

You can see I'm being genuine this is my address check my deposits for yourselves and you'll see the correct amount that should be there and you will see my total is short due to this redelegate bug

tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz

muted bobcat
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I hope I get my coins back 😬

jolly fiber
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I counted 31

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  1. 5ElementsNodes: 290,595.526789
  2. Mandragora: 87,089.174170
  3. Poetic Technologies: 48,470.549270
  4. Architect Nodes: 48,470.000000
  5. L0vd: 45,689.200000
  6. Cosmostation: 35,470.684309
  7. CerberusNode: 28,470.820013
  8. Staking4All: 28,470.549775
  9. ASTRALISK: 28,470.549749
  10. polkachu.com: 28,470.548479
  11. Wavefive: 28,470.445470
  12. anodeofzen: 28,470.174457
  13. Firstset: 28,470.174287
  14. CroutonDigital: 28,470.173971
  15. TuDudes: 28,470.136724
  16. Stakecito: 28,470.135225
  17. Chainflow: 28,470.000000
  18. TdrSys: 28,470.000000
  19. Crypto Universe: 28,470.000000
  20. MELLIFERA: 28,470.000000
  21. papadritta: 28,470.000000
  22. namada.online: 28,470.000000
  23. nodemeister: 28,470.000000
  24. PRO Delegators: 28,470.000000
  25. pro-nodes75: 28,470.000000
  26. DSRV: 28,470.000000
  27. MH Ventures: 28,410.383809
  28. OriginStake: 27,470.549716
  29. Palamar: 27,470.515067
  30. Stake&Relax 🦄: 27,470.000000
  31. Citizen Web3: 27,470.000000
    Verified Total: 1,263,480.29128
muted bobcat
# jolly fiber I counted 31

sorry my bad lol you are right I beg your pardon I got rid of a few validators recently so I thought it should be below 30

jolly fiber
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I dont think that issue is fixed

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But not sure

muted bobcat
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I delegated the 56940.548 to five elements in those two separate redelegate transactions 28.47k in each (forget decimal amounts)

jolly fiber
muted bobcat
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290595.526789+28470

= 319065.526789( this is what explorer should be saying for five elements)

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If you check out my deposits from exchange

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And add up you will see that plus my staking yield the amount of nam I should have is 1291950.291

But 1263480.291 is showing in valopers

28.47k (half of the two redelegates totalling 56.94k to five elements in two separate 28.57k redelegates) did not register or go through

jolly fiber
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I would try few more relegation and make the count to less than 30 and check if anythingchanges

muted bobcat
jolly fiber
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I am in phone so UI not great to see explorer

muted bobcat
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Im short 28.47k

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So it's prob best to verify that the missing funds are safe and that chain is safe before making any more changes or breaking anything else

jolly fiber
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I am not expert so i am leaving the conversation to other experts who might have more tricks .

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I dont think they can do much because its privcy project people have to work with limited data

muted bobcat
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tacit moth
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just to avoid confusion, what is registered on-chain (cli) for your address, is the same as valopers is showing.

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I can see hellofriend typing šŸ™‚

tacit moth
dreamy hull
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Hey there, checked this thoroughly using our local archive indexer. Both redelegation transactions are applied, and the stake on the source validators is now 0, meaning the redelegations were effectively executed on-chain.

There are no missing NAM. The perceived discrepancy comes from the accounting method: can’t compute a ā€œstaked balanceā€ by summing bond + redelegation transactions, because redelegation is a transfer of stake, not an increase in total stake.

The correct ā€œstaked balanceā€ is the one reflected in the PoS state (active bonds), which matches what the explorer/UI shows.

Also, our indexer shows there are no active/pending redelegations for this account (all redelegation records are already expired at the current epoch), so nothing is ā€œstuck in transitā€.
@muted bobcat

tacit moth
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for reference, these are the bonds on-chain for your transparent address, shinobi. (the entire file is 23k characters....)

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you are making life a bit complicated for yourself with the sheer amount of different delegations of same (!) amount to a heckton of validators. it's allowed, but accounting gets difficult cf hellofriend's remarks above..

dreamy hull
muted bobcat
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Hey @dreamy hull

Glad to know my full 1.29M nam is safe but I can't unbound more than 1.263M nam how do I access my missing 28.47k (maybe it's not missing its just innacessable?)

So to confirm I should have 1.292M nam which is saved in my portfolio tracker and you can also check my deposits and see

Valopers is showing 1.2634M

I can only unbond 1.26364M as well at the moment

How do I get my missing 28.47k

muted bobcat
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I managed to find a screenshot of my account before you can clearly see on valopers that I'm missing 28.47k it says 1.263M I should have 1.29M and be able to unbound my full bag

Why can't I unbond my full 1.29m bag or see the missing 28.47k?


muted bobcat
# dreamy hull Hey there, checked this thoroughly using our local archive indexer. Both redeleg...

Where I am confused is you say the correct balance is tho one reflected in the Post state which matches the explorer

But the explorer says 1.26M bonded which is short 28.47k

There should be 1.29M bonded showing on explorer not 1.26m.

I bonded 56k to your node in those two transactions my balances all added up to 1
1.29M UNTIL I redelegated to your node in those two transactions that's when the tokens went missing from explorer and interface.

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So we need to get to the bottom of either the interface/blockchain not reflecting the correct values?

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What I need to know is my full 1.29M nam safe?

muted bobcat
muted bobcat
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Ā· balance BEFORE redelegation (per your explorer/tracker): ~1.292M

Ā· balance AFTER redelegation (per everyone): ~1.263M

Ā· Change: -28.47k NAM

A redelegation cannot cause this loss.

This "accounting method" explanation is invalid.

because it contradicts the observed state change...
Your explanation is logically impossible.

A redelegation is not a new bond; it moves existing stake.

My total staked balance should be invariant.

The observed decrease of 28,470 NAM proves a fault in the chain's state transition during one of the redelegations from a jailed validator.

I demand a formal audit of the staking module's handling of my two transactions at blocks 5,330,389 and 5,330,403

This is not a display issue.

Provide the historical on-chain staked balance for my address at the block immediately preceding the first redelegation transaction to prove your claim.

@dreamy hull @tacit moth

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28,470 NAM LOST DURING REDELEGATION FROM JAILED VALIDATORS

  1. EVIDENCE OF LOSS:

Ā· Address: tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz

Ā· Pre-redelegation balance (Explorer UI): ~1,292,000 NAM

Ā· Post-redelegation balance (All sources explorer/interface): ~1,263,480 NAM

Ā· NET LOSS: 28,470 NAM

  1. TRANSACTIONS (SUCCESSFUL ON-CHAIN):

Ā· TX1: Redelegated ~28,470 NAM from Jailed Validator A → 5Elements

Ā· TX2: Redelegated ~28,470 NAM from Jailed Validator B → 5Elements

  1. CONFIRMED BY VALIDATOR:

Ā· Both TXs successful. No slashes.

No pending redelegations. Source bonds = 0.

  1. CONTRADICTION & BUG PROOF:

Ā· Redelegation does NOT change total stake.

My total decreased by exactly one 28.47k redelegation's worth.

Ā· "accounting method" claim is invalid it ignores the observed state change.

  1. DEMAND:

An immediate audit of the staking module's state transition for my address at block 5,330,403 and block 5,349,705

This is a protocol-level failure requiring developer intervention.

If the chain has a bug that eats funds during redelegation from jailed validators, everyone needs to know.

I am not asking for a favor.

I am reporting a critical failure that threatens the network's integrity.

@noble crag @dreamy hull

tacit moth
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mate, knock it off please. read what 5elements wrote again but carefully this time. There is no 1.29M, you did the math wrong.

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there is no protocol-level failure and you are not missing any tokens

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it would be extremely helpful if you would be concise and not write page-long essays about this.

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@muted bobcat

muted bobcat
# tacit moth mate, knock it off please. read what 5elements wrote again but carefully this ti...

Hey @tacit moth think carefully here because I can prove it and you will look very wrong.

The math isn’t wrong.

You’re telling me my total staked is 1,263,480 NAM right now.

You’re telling me both redelegations succeeded, and no slashes happened.

That means before I redelegated, my total staked balance was also ~1,263,480 NAM.

If that’s true, then add up all my deposits to Namada.

I have withdrawn nothing and never unbonded.

If my total deposits equal

~1,292,000 NAM, then

~28,470 NAM is missing

from the staking module — not from my math.

If my total deposits equal ~1,263,480 NAM, then the explorer showing 1.29M before was wrong and we can close this.

Do this for me:

Pull my full deposit history from the chain.

Add it up.
If it’s 1.29M, the coins are lost in the protocol.

If it’s 1.263M, I’ll drop it.

Don’t tell me my math is wrong. Show me the deposit ledger.

tacit moth
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now, it is entirely possible there is a display bug in the interface including a redelegated stake post redelegation, but that's another matter entirely.

muted bobcat
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You’re telling me both redelegations succeeded, and no slashes happened.

That means before I redelegated, my total staked balance was also ~1,263,480 NAM.

If that’s true, then add up all my deposits to Namada.

I have withdrawn nothing and never unbonded.

If my total deposits equal

~1,292,000 NAM, then

~28,470 NAM is missing

from the staking module — not from my math.

If my total deposits equal ~1,263,480 NAM, then the explorer showing 1.29M before was wrong and we can close this.

Do this for me:

Pull my full deposit history from the chain.

Add it up.
If it’s 1.29M, the coins are lost in the protocol.

If it’s 1.263M, I’ll drop it.

Don’t tell me my math is wrong. Show me the deposit ledger.

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Please @tacit moth math it?

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Don't tell me to knock it off this is serious

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Very dismissive and not helpful

tacit moth
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no, burden of proof is on you. hellofriend did the math and believe your math is wrong based on tx. if you think he is incorrect, please put up a table where you show it's wrong, but concisely.

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what I am telling you is unhelpful is long emotional essays when the likelihood of a protocol-level inconsistency here is extremely low.

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(have to go now but will check back later - please provide tabular evidence in a spreadsheet format if you want us to check it)

muted bobcat
# tacit moth now, it is entirely possible there is a display bug in the interface including a...

That's exactly the point.

If there was a display bug showing 1.29M before the redelegation when the real on-chain total was already 1.263M, then:

  1. The display bug caused this entire confusion.

  2. My actual total has always been 1.263M, and no funds are missing.

But if my actual deposit history adds up to ~1.292M NAM, then the display wasn’t wrong — the chain lost 28.47k NAM during the redelegation.

Instead of debating interfaces, settle this with on-chain data:

Please provide:

Ā· The sum of all inbound transfers to my address from genesis to now.

Ā· The sum of all outbound transfers (excluding staking/delegating fees).

If Total In - Total Out = ~1.263M, I’ll accept the display bug explanation.

If it equals ~1.292M, we have a critical protocol issue.

Let’s move past 'possible display bugs' and check the real ledger.

@dreamy hull @noble crag

tacit moth
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again @dreamy hull meticulously did the math..

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and please stop tagging adrian - there really is no need

muted bobcat
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It should be 1.29m

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Look for yourself

tacit moth
muted bobcat
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There is exactly 28.47k nam missing from those two block heights was when the bug occured

muted bobcat
tacit moth
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you are not listening - please read what @dreamy hull wrote again.

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there is no protocol bug

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at least going by current evidence

muted bobcat
# tacit moth again, burden of proof is on you if you think it's wrong and you need to provide...

You're right. Burden of proof is on me.

Here is my evidence:

  1. My Tracked Deposit Total: I have recorded ~1.292M NAM deposited to my address from all exchanges and transfers.

  2. On-Chain Evidence of Loss: My current total staked balance is ~1.263M NAM.

  3. I have withdrawn NOTHING from self custody and never unbonded.

Therefore: ~28,470 NAM is missing from the staking system.

If you are certain my on-chain total is correct, then you must believe one of two things:

Ā· A) My deposit records are fraudulent (I never really deposited 1.292M).

Ā· B) ~28,470 NAM left my address via an on-chain action I did not authorize.

tacit moth
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and again, if you believe the numbers add up wrong, please provide in a tabular format all the summations that make up what you think should be 1.29 M

muted bobcat
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I have withdrawn nothing to cex check the account yourself!

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This screenshot was taken a while ago at 1.28m before I built it to 1.29m

How could I have withdrawn 28.47k to make my explorer and interface drop down to 1.26m?

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I built it up to 1.291M

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Why the hell does my interface and explorer say 1.263M? @tacit moth

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I can get you timestamps of the screenshots

muted bobcat
# tacit moth and again, if you believe the numbers add up wrong, please provide in a tabular ...

Right I've gone and tracked down the exchange data manually

I will make this simple.

My verified, on-record deposits from KuCoin (proof to come):

Ā· December 2025: 655,305 NAM

Ā· January 2026: 622,089 NAM

Ā· February 2026: 7,528.3 NAM

Ā· TOTAL DEPOSITED FROM CEX = 1,284,922.3 NAM

TOTAL STAKING REWARDS received over the last 3 months of being on NAM = 7258 NAM

TOTAL SHOWN AT PRESENT ON EXPLORER/INTERFACE = 1,263,480

CORRECT TOTAL THAT SHOULD BE SHOWING = 1,292,180 NAM

My current on-chain staked balance: 1,263,480 NAM

The discrepancy: 28470 NAM missing exactly.

The core issue remains: my base capital is 28.47 NAM short.

You have repeatedly stated the chain's accounting is correct.

Prove it. Reconcile the 1.284M NAM deposited with the 1.263M NAM staked.

If you cannot, this is a protocol-level issue, not a user error.

@tacit moth @noble crag @dreamy hull

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Add up those three kucoin withdrawal figures for the months of December January and February.....

You guys can see very clearly I've deposited 1.284922M from kucoin to my namada self custody wallet
tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz

It's all been withdrawn to this wallet

I'm short 28.47k exactly it's impossible to not be able to see or deny it at this point.

tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz

tacit moth
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please stop tagging adrian

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we are not 24/7 support here, you have to have a modicum of patience

muted bobcat
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And I repeat I HAVE not withdrawn a single NAM out of self custody

tacit moth
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will be back

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stop shouting please

muted bobcat
tacit moth
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relax

muted bobcat
# tacit moth relax

Those tokens being in anomaly has frightened me in scared to even call a function because I don't want more going missing man

tacit moth
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they are not missing

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at least that's extremely unlikely

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now as a courtesy to you, we will try and track down totals etc but you have to have some patience here

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and not exaggerate what is by far most likely a miscalculation on your part

muted bobcat
# tacit moth at least that's extremely unlikely

I hope it's just a display bug

But the bit that scares me is last time I had the display issue with the namada interface the explorer still showed correct remember?

But with this missing 28.47k the explorer also shows as short

tacit moth
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display bugs happen

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you need to demonstrate that the transfered totals match

muted bobcat
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Maybe in terms of it being a protocol issue

tacit moth
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you have not done that yet as best I can tell

muted bobcat
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And not a display glitch

tacit moth
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put all the tx in a spreadsheet please

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it's not a protocol issue

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show us the math

muted bobcat
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Right I've gone and tracked down the exchange data manually .

My verified, on-record deposits from KuCoin (proof to come):

Ā· December 2025: 655,305 NAM

Ā· January 2026: 622,089 NAM

Ā· February 2026: 7,528.3 NAM

Ā· TOTAL DEPOSITED FROM CEX = 1,284,922.3 NAM

TOTAL STAKING REWARDS received over the last 3 months of being on NAM = 7258 NAM

TOTAL SHOWN AT PRESENT ON EXPLORER/INTERFACE = 1,263,480

CORRECT TOTAL THAT SHOULD BE SHOWING = 1,292,180 NAM

My current on-chain staked balance: 1,263,480 NAM

The discrepancy: 28470 NAM missing exactly.

tacit moth
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mate

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it does not help repeating the same messages

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all transactions in a spreadsheet please

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show us the proof

muted bobcat
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Mate look at the withdrawls for December january febuary

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Add them up

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That screenshot is proof and the chain will say the same

tacit moth
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no. please provide the entire calculation for us to check

muted bobcat
# tacit moth all transactions in a spreadsheet please

All transactions are already provided:

  1. Three KuCoin withdrawal screenshots — December, January, February — totaling 1,284,922.3 NAM deposited to my address
    tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz.

  2. Current on-chain staked balance: 1,263,480 NAM.

  3. Discrepancy: 28,470 NAM missing.

If you require the transaction hashes for those three deposits, I can provide them.

But the burden is now on you.

You claim the chain's accounting is correct.

Then you produce the spreadsheet:

Ā· List all inbound transactions to my address from genesis.

Ā· Show how the sum equals 1,263,480 NAM, not ~1.292M NAM.

I've provided the evidence of the gap.

Now either audit the chain to find the missing 28,470 NAM, or show your reconciliation that proves my verified deposits never happened.

Waiting.

tacit moth
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i've asked hellofriend to provide his but expecting it will take time

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sigh....

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mate you need to provide the evidence asked for please

muted bobcat
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Nightmare bro I really don't wanna be solving this lol

tacit moth
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no long essays but a table of transactions

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that's all

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until then it's on you to provide this

muted bobcat
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How do I do this?

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You can see through my kucoin Dec Jan and feb withdrawal screenshots that it adds up and screenshot of my valopers showing 1.28 million

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Why do you need a spreadsheet it is absolutely clear that funds are missing/not showing/unable to be unbonded

What spreadsheet can I give you there are many types of spreadsheet?

tacit moth
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make a spreadsheet with all the transactions you believe should add up to 1.29M

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we can't use your kucoin screenshots for anything

muted bobcat
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Isn't a screenshot more valuable than a spreadsheet?

I didn't just provide kucoin screenshots I provided my valopers too!!!

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I'm not bullshitting you!

You can see I've withdrawn nothing from self custody!!!!

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Literally by looking at the chain!

tacit moth
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please be constructive

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the screenshots are more
or less meaningless

muted bobcat
dreamy hull
# muted bobcat All good we will wait for the data from validator side Again man thanks for yo...

Hey @muted bobcat, thanks for your patience.
After cross-checking the data from client + RPC, it looks like we’ve clarified your case:
in epoch 1660 the validator tnam1q8lhvxys53dlc8wzlg7dyqf9avd0vff6wvav4amt recorded 13 ā€œDuplicate voteā€ infractions, and the applied slashing for that window shows rate = 1 (100%).

As a result, the active stake you had delegated to that validator in epoch 1660 was fully impacted by the slash.
You can verify this independently with
namadac slashes --validator <validator>

Based on what we observed, this is not a protocol-level issue or a validator/interface bug, but the protocol applying slashing as designed.