#staking balance
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Hello @muted bobcat can you share the transaction hash here. Please beware of scammers
Yes sir absolutely
Thanks tony
Redelegate tx hash 1
166b02caeff00bec713066c01309cff074c91b6a08ef3ed58852f3f0beaeed25
Redelegate tx hash 2
c1af19af63252d0f96cea332ecfd7ed1d5174683f862459b6eba66f8e8969456
One of these are the culprit
One of the 28.47k redelegate hashes went through but the other did not
There are exactly 28.47k tokens missing from my total stake
So I know it's 100% one of these txs that's the issue
Need to recover these tokens
Please gimme some time while I look into the matter.
Thank you brother, appreciate you helping me out
Hi, I looked into your account and transaction. It looks like both of your transactions went through. The failed transaction you mentioned is : a2f0f606f5b6de2e758c1ecc5c2d761fdf35f730ad8247509181347b7f55ac5d
Which is earlier than these 2 transactions. You can verify it here: https://namada.world/account/tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz
Please check and let me know if you still think there's an error.
@muted bobcat
Also can you please choose and use updated infra/interfaces from this list: https://namada.community/infra/interfaces
Yes it says they both went through
Did you notice they were both 28.47k = total tokens 56940
Now what I can tell you for sure is only 28.47k tokens have been added to my total staked number 28.47k is missing from my balance
That transaction was a failed redelegation no tokens moved anywhere
The first two tx hashes are me redelegating from two jailed validators (coverlet and another one) back to @dreamy hull 5 elements nodes
my balance should be 1.291M nam staked but only 1.263M is showing on valopers and interfaces
Which happens to be EXACTLY 28.47k missing
Let me check further. . . .š
The tokens did not go missing UNTIL I submitted those two green redelegate transactions
Idk maybe the tokens are stuck/5 elements has to manually unstick them
Thanks Tony lol stressing me out a bit
I can send you my address so you can see
You can see all my deposits and see how much should be there based on what I have deposited via cex and you will see the 28.47k anomaly
Understandable, don't worry.
Thanks bro, this is the price we pay to build
We'll have to deeply investigate it. It may take some time. I'll update here as soon as I can. Meanwhile don't worry, we'll find a fix for it. Thanks for being with us
Thanks Tony much appreciated you guys in the community are honestly legends and have been great with all my past issues
And no worries I'm locked in 
Hey, out of the lab atm
I'll try to check it out later š§
Thanks man catch you l8er on ā”
Someone had similar UI issue if u have more than 30 different validator delegation , i forgot which one it was but one of the interface support it
My guess
Is this the issue still ?
There is same amount but different decimal
248470 and another with .548399, you might be confused with total number of tokens you have ?
May be you tried to relegate to two different validator and mistakenly did it to 1 on two transactions?
this thread is all over the place
I'll have a look later
@muted bobcat could you please state in concise terms exactly how many tokens you believe you had delegated before redelegation and what you think happened to them (and how many you should have delegated to which validator now)?
Right to be as concise as possible @tacit moth
I had 28470 NAM staked to TWO validators one was coverlet and I have forgotten the name of the other one
Long story short BOTH of those validators were JAILED so I decided to REDELEGATE from these TWO validators(I had 28.47k Nam staked to each one of the TWO validators)
I redelegated BOTH two separate validators to 5elements @dreamy hull
I also chose to redelegate ONE at a time to 5Elements nodes not both at once as we seem to be having lots of bugs as of late.
@dreamy hull hence the two redelegate transactions 28470 and 28470.5 total 56.94k (56940.54839)
The total amount I needed to redelegate from the two validators is 56940.548 that 56.940k was re staked to 5Elementsnode @dreamy hull in TWO separate transactions above
I then redelagated from each validator to 5 elements nodes ONE BY ONE (28470)
So the correct amount of nam that should be there showing on valopers and interface is 1,291,950 NAM!!!!!!
Look at my address on the explorer now and you will see ONLY 1,263,480 NAM
So in total I have exactly 28470 missing so I am ASSUMING as it's exactly 28.47k missing one of those redelegate transactions failed or tokens are stuck glitched or whatever
I want to get to the bottom of where those tokens are I want them back.
Yes one transaction had a decimal point of 0.5 something nam but that's irrelevant
I really don't want to spell it out in this chat but you are forcing me
bag size is
28.47K nam missing exactly only 1263480.291 showing through valopers/5elementa namadilo interface should say 1291,950.291
We are short 28.47k nam
So the correct amount of nam that should be there showing on Valopers AND interface is 1,291,950 NAM!!!!!!
Look at my address on the explorer now and you will see ONLY 1,263,480 NAM
https://namada.valopers.com/account/tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz
EXACTLY 28.47k missing
If you don't believe me please look at my exchange deposits on valopers and do the math
It's absolutely CLEAR I have missing tokens here this is a serious bug.
Those two transactions are the culprit so wherever the tokens are gone it's to do with those two redelegate transactions that were directed from the jailed validators to 5 elements nodes one by one.
Now do the math for me guys?
What is 1291950 (what should be showing as staked on valopers.) minus 1263480?(What is currently showing on valopers) = 28470!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can literally see the bug/problem in the math
So the question is where are my coins?
Add up every single exchange transfer to my wallet and you will calculate 1291950 NAM (including all staking rewards I've restaked)
nothing has been withdrawn and all yield has been staked
With common sense we can see 1.263 million showing on valopers (short 28.47k) which tells us one of the 28470 transfers has been staked but one of the transactions has caused 28470 exactly to go missing/transaction glitch whatever it is
We need to recover it
the tokens went missing in THOSE two redelegate transactions one clearly worked because we have
I don't think I can get anymore clear than this
You can see I'm being genuine this is my address check my deposits for yourselves and you'll see the correct amount that should be there and you will see my total is short due to this redelegate bug
tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz
Please be sure to check and add those exchange deposits to verify the correct amount I'm saying should be there
This is a serious issue that needs to be sorted asap I have never on any chain had tokens disappear like this due to a redelegation bug of this nature scary tbh
I hope I get my coins back š¬
I counted 31
- 5ElementsNodes: 290,595.526789
- Mandragora: 87,089.174170
- Poetic Technologies: 48,470.549270
- Architect Nodes: 48,470.000000
- L0vd: 45,689.200000
- Cosmostation: 35,470.684309
- CerberusNode: 28,470.820013
- Staking4All: 28,470.549775
- ASTRALISK: 28,470.549749
- polkachu.com: 28,470.548479
- Wavefive: 28,470.445470
- anodeofzen: 28,470.174457
- Firstset: 28,470.174287
- CroutonDigital: 28,470.173971
- TuDudes: 28,470.136724
- Stakecito: 28,470.135225
- Chainflow: 28,470.000000
- TdrSys: 28,470.000000
- Crypto Universe: 28,470.000000
- MELLIFERA: 28,470.000000
- papadritta: 28,470.000000
- namada.online: 28,470.000000
- nodemeister: 28,470.000000
- PRO Delegators: 28,470.000000
- pro-nodes75: 28,470.000000
- DSRV: 28,470.000000
- MH Ventures: 28,410.383809
- OriginStake: 27,470.549716
- Palamar: 27,470.515067
- Stake&Relax š¦„: 27,470.000000
- Citizen Web3: 27,470.000000
Verified Total: 1,263,480.29128
sorry my bad lol you are right I beg your pardon I got rid of a few validators recently so I thought it should be below 30
#1454796587984224349 message i would try less than 30 for now like before
I dont think that issue is fixed
But not sure
I delegated the 56940.548 to five elements in those two separate redelegate transactions 28.47k in each (forget decimal amounts)
I see those two went through #1469651095768010884 message
290595.526789+28470
= 319065.526789( this is what explorer should be saying for five elements)
If you check out my deposits from exchange
And add up you will see that plus my staking yield the amount of nam I should have is 1291950.291
But 1263480.291 is showing in valopers
28.47k (half of the two redelegates totalling 56.94k to five elements in two separate 28.57k redelegates) did not register or go through
I would try few more relegation and make the count to less than 30 and check if anythingchanges
I'm sort of scared that more nam will disappear if I redelegeate more to drop some validators (which is the same function that now has me missing 28.47k nam)
I am in phone so UI not great to see explorer
Im short 28.47k
So it's prob best to verify that the missing funds are safe and that chain is safe before making any more changes or breaking anything else
I am not expert so i am leaving the conversation to other experts who might have more tricks .
I dont think they can do much because its privcy project people have to work with limited data
Thank you for all your help anyway bro
When we get to the bottom of it I will reduce validators as well when I know that the missing half of the funds I redelegated to give elements are safe
All these are transparent
We will get to the bottom of it
mate, this is not concise š let me read through and do some digging..
just to avoid confusion, what is registered on-chain (cli) for your address, is the same as valopers is showing.
I can see hellofriend typing š
let's not jump to conclusions, nam can't just "disappear" - that's pretty much impossible. UI display bugs however are somewhat common at this point.
Hey there, checked this thoroughly using our local archive indexer. Both redelegation transactions are applied, and the stake on the source validators is now 0, meaning the redelegations were effectively executed on-chain.
There are no missing NAM. The perceived discrepancy comes from the accounting method: canāt compute a āstaked balanceā by summing bond + redelegation transactions, because redelegation is a transfer of stake, not an increase in total stake.
The correct āstaked balanceā is the one reflected in the PoS state (active bonds), which matches what the explorer/UI shows.
Also, our indexer shows there are no active/pending redelegations for this account (all redelegation records are already expired at the current epoch), so nothing is āstuck in transitā.
@muted bobcat
for reference, these are the bonds on-chain for your transparent address, shinobi. (the entire file is 23k characters....)
you are making life a bit complicated for yourself with the sheer amount of different delegations of same (!) amount to a heckton of validators. it's allowed, but accounting gets difficult cf hellofriend's remarks above..
On that note, I want to clarify that the fix was only related to and applied to the UI pagination, and it was successfully tested. No logic in the transaction-building flow was changed.
Hey @dreamy hull
Glad to know my full 1.29M nam is safe but I can't unbound more than 1.263M nam how do I access my missing 28.47k (maybe it's not missing its just innacessable?)
So to confirm I should have 1.292M nam which is saved in my portfolio tracker and you can also check my deposits and see
Valopers is showing 1.2634M
I can only unbond 1.26364M as well at the moment
How do I get my missing 28.47k
This is pretty technical so what your saying is the 1.29M nam is safe but I currently just can't see it because of a glitch?
I managed to find a screenshot of my account before you can clearly see on valopers that I'm missing 28.47k it says 1.263M I should have 1.29M and be able to unbound my full bag
Why can't I unbond my full 1.29m bag or see the missing 28.47k?
Look that is a screenshot of my previous bag I built that up to 1.29m with rewards
Why is valopers saying I have 1.263M
Where are the coins how can I access them?
https://namada.valopers.com/account/tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz
Where I am confused is you say the correct balance is tho one reflected in the Post state which matches the explorer
But the explorer says 1.26M bonded which is short 28.47k
There should be 1.29M bonded showing on explorer not 1.26m.
I bonded 56k to your node in those two transactions my balances all added up to 1
1.29M UNTIL I redelegated to your node in those two transactions that's when the tokens went missing from explorer and interface.
So we need to get to the bottom of either the interface/blockchain not reflecting the correct values?
What I need to know is my full 1.29M nam safe?
Do you guys get my alarm here I can't access my whole stake?
I just need to know my full 1.29m is safe.
Ā· balance BEFORE redelegation (per your explorer/tracker): ~1.292M
Ā· balance AFTER redelegation (per everyone): ~1.263M
Ā· Change: -28.47k NAM
A redelegation cannot cause this loss.
This "accounting method" explanation is invalid.
because it contradicts the observed state change...
Your explanation is logically impossible.
A redelegation is not a new bond; it moves existing stake.
My total staked balance should be invariant.
The observed decrease of 28,470 NAM proves a fault in the chain's state transition during one of the redelegations from a jailed validator.
I demand a formal audit of the staking module's handling of my two transactions at blocks 5,330,389 and 5,330,403
This is not a display issue.
Provide the historical on-chain staked balance for my address at the block immediately preceding the first redelegation transaction to prove your claim.
@dreamy hull @tacit moth
28,470 NAM LOST DURING REDELEGATION FROM JAILED VALIDATORS
- EVIDENCE OF LOSS:
Ā· Address: tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz
Ā· Pre-redelegation balance (Explorer UI): ~1,292,000 NAM
Ā· Post-redelegation balance (All sources explorer/interface): ~1,263,480 NAM
Ā· NET LOSS: 28,470 NAM
- TRANSACTIONS (SUCCESSFUL ON-CHAIN):
Ā· TX1: Redelegated ~28,470 NAM from Jailed Validator A ā 5Elements
Ā· TX2: Redelegated ~28,470 NAM from Jailed Validator B ā 5Elements
- CONFIRMED BY VALIDATOR:
Ā· Both TXs successful. No slashes.
No pending redelegations. Source bonds = 0.
- CONTRADICTION & BUG PROOF:
Ā· Redelegation does NOT change total stake.
My total decreased by exactly one 28.47k redelegation's worth.
Ā· "accounting method" claim is invalid it ignores the observed state change.
- DEMAND:
An immediate audit of the staking module's state transition for my address at block 5,330,403 and block 5,349,705
This is a protocol-level failure requiring developer intervention.
If the chain has a bug that eats funds during redelegation from jailed validators, everyone needs to know.
I am not asking for a favor.
I am reporting a critical failure that threatens the network's integrity.
@noble crag @dreamy hull
mate, knock it off please. read what 5elements wrote again but carefully this time. There is no 1.29M, you did the math wrong.
there is no protocol-level failure and you are not missing any tokens
it would be extremely helpful if you would be concise and not write page-long essays about this.
@muted bobcat
Hey @tacit moth think carefully here because I can prove it and you will look very wrong.
The math isnāt wrong.
Youāre telling me my total staked is 1,263,480 NAM right now.
Youāre telling me both redelegations succeeded, and no slashes happened.
That means before I redelegated, my total staked balance was also ~1,263,480 NAM.
If thatās true, then add up all my deposits to Namada.
I have withdrawn nothing and never unbonded.
If my total deposits equal
~1,292,000 NAM, then
~28,470 NAM is missing
from the staking module ā not from my math.
If my total deposits equal ~1,263,480 NAM, then the explorer showing 1.29M before was wrong and we can close this.
Do this for me:
Pull my full deposit history from the chain.
Add it up.
If itās 1.29M, the coins are lost in the protocol.
If itās 1.263M, Iāll drop it.
Donāt tell me my math is wrong. Show me the deposit ledger.
now, it is entirely possible there is a display bug in the interface including a redelegated stake post redelegation, but that's another matter entirely.
Youāre telling me both redelegations succeeded, and no slashes happened.
That means before I redelegated, my total staked balance was also ~1,263,480 NAM.
If thatās true, then add up all my deposits to Namada.
I have withdrawn nothing and never unbonded.
If my total deposits equal
~1,292,000 NAM, then
~28,470 NAM is missing
from the staking module ā not from my math.
If my total deposits equal ~1,263,480 NAM, then the explorer showing 1.29M before was wrong and we can close this.
Do this for me:
Pull my full deposit history from the chain.
Add it up.
If itās 1.29M, the coins are lost in the protocol.
If itās 1.263M, Iāll drop it.
Donāt tell me my math is wrong. Show me the deposit ledger.
Please @tacit moth math it?
Don't tell me to knock it off this is serious
Very dismissive and not helpful
no, burden of proof is on you. hellofriend did the math and believe your math is wrong based on tx. if you think he is incorrect, please put up a table where you show it's wrong, but concisely.
what I am telling you is unhelpful is long emotional essays when the likelihood of a protocol-level inconsistency here is extremely low.
(have to go now but will check back later - please provide tabular evidence in a spreadsheet format if you want us to check it)
That's exactly the point.
If there was a display bug showing 1.29M before the redelegation when the real on-chain total was already 1.263M, then:
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The display bug caused this entire confusion.
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My actual total has always been 1.263M, and no funds are missing.
But if my actual deposit history adds up to ~1.292M NAM, then the display wasnāt wrong ā the chain lost 28.47k NAM during the redelegation.
Instead of debating interfaces, settle this with on-chain data:
Please provide:
Ā· The sum of all inbound transfers to my address from genesis to now.
Ā· The sum of all outbound transfers (excluding staking/delegating fees).
If Total In - Total Out = ~1.263M, Iāll accept the display bug explanation.
If it equals ~1.292M, we have a critical protocol issue.
Letās move past 'possible display bugs' and check the real ledger.
@dreamy hull @noble crag
again @dreamy hull meticulously did the math..
and please stop tagging adrian - there really is no need
again, burden of proof is on you if you think it's wrong and you need to provide the evidence
There is exactly 28.47k nam missing from those two block heights was when the bug occured
You use namada don't you @tacit moth
Do you want this to happen to anyone else?
Or do you want to fix and improve the protocol?
you are not listening - please read what @dreamy hull wrote again.
there is no protocol bug
at least going by current evidence
You're right. Burden of proof is on me.
Here is my evidence:
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My Tracked Deposit Total: I have recorded ~1.292M NAM deposited to my address from all exchanges and transfers.
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On-Chain Evidence of Loss: My current total staked balance is ~1.263M NAM.
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I have withdrawn NOTHING from self custody and never unbonded.
Therefore: ~28,470 NAM is missing from the staking system.
If you are certain my on-chain total is correct, then you must believe one of two things:
Ā· A) My deposit records are fraudulent (I never really deposited 1.292M).
Ā· B) ~28,470 NAM left my address via an on-chain action I did not authorize.
and again, if you believe the numbers add up wrong, please provide in a tabular format all the summations that make up what you think should be 1.29 M
Pretoro open your eyes
I have withdrawn nothing to cex check the account yourself!
This screenshot was taken a while ago at 1.28m before I built it to 1.29m
How could I have withdrawn 28.47k to make my explorer and interface drop down to 1.26m?
I built it up to 1.291M
Why the hell does my interface and explorer say 1.263M? @tacit moth
I can get you timestamps of the screenshots
Right I've gone and tracked down the exchange data manually
I will make this simple.
My verified, on-record deposits from KuCoin (proof to come):
Ā· December 2025: 655,305 NAM
Ā· January 2026: 622,089 NAM
Ā· February 2026: 7,528.3 NAM
Ā· TOTAL DEPOSITED FROM CEX = 1,284,922.3 NAM
TOTAL STAKING REWARDS received over the last 3 months of being on NAM = 7258 NAM
TOTAL SHOWN AT PRESENT ON EXPLORER/INTERFACE = 1,263,480
CORRECT TOTAL THAT SHOULD BE SHOWING = 1,292,180 NAM
My current on-chain staked balance: 1,263,480 NAM
The discrepancy: 28470 NAM missing exactly.
The core issue remains: my base capital is 28.47 NAM short.
You have repeatedly stated the chain's accounting is correct.
Prove it. Reconcile the 1.284M NAM deposited with the 1.263M NAM staked.
If you cannot, this is a protocol-level issue, not a user error.
@tacit moth @noble crag @dreamy hull
Add up those three kucoin withdrawal figures for the months of December January and February.....
You guys can see very clearly I've deposited 1.284922M from kucoin to my namada self custody wallet
tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz
It's all been withdrawn to this wallet
I'm short 28.47k exactly it's impossible to not be able to see or deny it at this point.
tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz
please stop tagging adrian
we are not 24/7 support here, you have to have a modicum of patience
And I repeat I HAVE not withdrawn a single NAM out of self custody
I am sort of rattled mate as you can imagine
relax
Those tokens being in anomaly has frightened me in scared to even call a function because I don't want more going missing man
they are not missing
at least that's extremely unlikely
now as a courtesy to you, we will try and track down totals etc but you have to have some patience here
and not exaggerate what is by far most likely a miscalculation on your part
I hope it's just a display bug
But the bit that scares me is last time I had the display issue with the namada interface the explorer still showed correct remember?
But with this missing 28.47k the explorer also shows as short
It is definitely not a miscalculation in terms of math
Maybe in terms of it being a protocol issue
you have not done that yet as best I can tell
And not a display glitch
Right I've gone and tracked down the exchange data manually .
My verified, on-record deposits from KuCoin (proof to come):
Ā· December 2025: 655,305 NAM
Ā· January 2026: 622,089 NAM
Ā· February 2026: 7,528.3 NAM
Ā· TOTAL DEPOSITED FROM CEX = 1,284,922.3 NAM
TOTAL STAKING REWARDS received over the last 3 months of being on NAM = 7258 NAM
TOTAL SHOWN AT PRESENT ON EXPLORER/INTERFACE = 1,263,480
CORRECT TOTAL THAT SHOULD BE SHOWING = 1,292,180 NAM
My current on-chain staked balance: 1,263,480 NAM
The discrepancy: 28470 NAM missing exactly.
mate
it does not help repeating the same messages
all transactions in a spreadsheet please
show us the proof
Mate look at the withdrawls for December january febuary
Add them up
That screenshot is proof and the chain will say the same
no. please provide the entire calculation for us to check
All transactions are already provided:
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Three KuCoin withdrawal screenshots ā December, January, February ā totaling 1,284,922.3 NAM deposited to my address
tnam1qrt0mumaym57y4rl8we8q85w9f9uauvvwqj3qztz. -
Current on-chain staked balance: 1,263,480 NAM.
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Discrepancy: 28,470 NAM missing.
If you require the transaction hashes for those three deposits, I can provide them.
But the burden is now on you.
You claim the chain's accounting is correct.
Then you produce the spreadsheet:
Ā· List all inbound transactions to my address from genesis.
Ā· Show how the sum equals 1,263,480 NAM, not ~1.292M NAM.
I've provided the evidence of the gap.
Now either audit the chain to find the missing 28,470 NAM, or show your reconciliation that proves my verified deposits never happened.
Waiting.
i've asked hellofriend to provide his but expecting it will take time
sigh....
mate you need to provide the evidence asked for please
Nightmare bro I really don't wanna be solving this lol
no long essays but a table of transactions
that's all
until then it's on you to provide this
How do I do this?
You can see through my kucoin Dec Jan and feb withdrawal screenshots that it adds up and screenshot of my valopers showing 1.28 million
Why do you need a spreadsheet it is absolutely clear that funds are missing/not showing/unable to be unbonded
What spreadsheet can I give you there are many types of spreadsheet?
make a spreadsheet with all the transactions you believe should add up to 1.29M
we can't use your kucoin screenshots for anything
Isn't a screenshot more valuable than a spreadsheet?
I didn't just provide kucoin screenshots I provided my valopers too!!!
I'm not bullshitting you!
You can see I've withdrawn nothing from self custody!!!!
Literally by looking at the chain!
All good we will wait for the data from validator side
Again man thanks for your help I don't want to stress y'all
I just want to get to the bottom
Hey @muted bobcat, thanks for your patience.
After cross-checking the data from client + RPC, it looks like weāve clarified your case:
in epoch 1660 the validator tnam1q8lhvxys53dlc8wzlg7dyqf9avd0vff6wvav4amt recorded 13 āDuplicate voteā infractions, and the applied slashing for that window shows rate = 1 (100%).
As a result, the active stake you had delegated to that validator in epoch 1660 was fully impacted by the slash.
You can verify this independently with
namadac slashes --validator <validator>
Based on what we observed, this is not a protocol-level issue or a validator/interface bug, but the protocol applying slashing as designed.