Use PGF to airdrop NAM before Phase 5 - Coin Center donors

[sage ridge]

Hope the server doesn't crash or anything

hehe

[wanton oak]

as I understand we don't control the donation transaction it is just a checker of your donation. You can send donations from anywhere

[steel fiber]

except metamask mobile

[finite galleon]

@steel fiber @heavy tapir @cinder glen can we pin this, or put it on like an announcement and make it a bit louder? Ideally we get a good amount of users trying this out. Can somebody pin it to the channel?

I have 8 valid txs in the database, with 0.551080000000000000 valid eth. Let's try and hit 27!

If anyone needs some sepolia eth for this, please ping me

[finite galleon]

What needs to be fixed? Its working well for me

[uncut prism]

I did a fake donation with ETH Sepolia, can't see it afterward with Tab "My Donations" (i input my hex value to the transaction)

[finite galleon]

Can you see it on etherscan?

https://sepolia.etherscan.io/address/0x15322B546e31F5Bfe144C4ae133A9Db6F0059fe3

I can't see it

[uncut prism]

I redo

[finite galleon]

The only tx not recorded in the db is this one: https://sepolia.etherscan.io/tx/0x8bc75e06a308dd96e013ffc02fccc2163d1f1daed60e8be15715a6e788c19a9c
And as u can see, the input data is just d6 there is no tnam attached

[uncut prism]

Not me

[uncut prism]

I did it !
https://sepolia.etherscan.io/tx/0x9c93c00b53bbb30fc8556ff2d6cd2d25f3b67881e48be8e66bf240279695ee60

@sage ridge Do you think I can make my tutorial video with V2? Are you planning a V2.1 or V3?

[finite galleon]

Can you send >=0.3 so we can reach cap?

[uncut prism]

How much is missing to reach cap ?

[finite galleon]

.27 for that address 🙂

If u have the effort to donate from multiple eth addresses that would be great too haha

[uncut prism]

i got 0.27

[uncut prism]

will send from 3 address

@finite galleon Done ! Sent 0.3

[finite galleon]

Nice

I think I've sent like 9 different txs of 0.29

[finite galleon]

I am firing transactions at this thing. Sorry for anyone who wanted to try it, I tried to give you all day haha

If you want to get your tx in on the sepolia testnet, you've got like 5 minutes 😛

[cinder glen]

i have more sepolia eth if you need

daang this is nice 🤩

[stone wasp]

even the share on x is 🔥

@sage ridge 🦾

👏 I love the attention to detail from start to finish

[sage ridge]

Ooooohh thank you thank you 🥰😍

I'm redeployingg

[sage ridge]

Your steps are in there noww

[wanton oak]

I just tested it, it works for me. Thanks, Zen

[uncut prism]

@sage ridge #1316142427672809514 message

[finite galleon]

We need a new backend. There are edge cases with the backend we tested over the weekend. Thanks to @steel fiber 's questions we came to the conclusion that we can have some unintended consequences. I'm gonna work on this fix in the evenings, and then we're going to launch a new test run. Thanks to those who tested the previous iteration, but I was kind of hoping we would get more test txs in. Let's try and do this for the next one!

[steel fiber]

I don't think we are discussing a new backend, it's some revised internal logic

[sage ridge]

Oh that sounds a bit like we're scrapping it in its entirety which isn't the case at all 😅.

As for the sake of a tutorial video, I actually think that could be done in the current deployment that's live @uncut prism. Nothing out of the ordinary would happen! So I'd go for it. Test it first before you start recording though in case you notice something's off.

The step by step is revised to Gavin's approach.

[sage ridge]

Apologies, I overlooked this message of yours.

[uncut prism]

Thanks for your answer !

[sage ridge]

You're welcome! Also this won't be the eventual domain name, so perhaps wise to include that the domain is TBA.

And to let them join the discord for instance to remain in the know (or you keep them updated ofc)

[cinder glen]

how does the back-end work? i imagine that it grabs all transactions sent to [eth_address} beginning at Block Height x

then the database is filtered to tally transactions > 0.03 ETH, truncating them at 0.30 ET (for txs greater than 0.30 ETH)

then back-end reports tally to front-end every.. idk, 6 seconds?

[uncut prism]

no need domain name to make a video, thanks

[steel fiber]

it grabs all transactions to address with valid tnam in memo within the specified timespan I believe. otherwise yes. (unsure of exact time interval think it's like every 10 seconds rn)

someone correct me if wrong

[finite galleon]

Oh right lol I could see how this could be interpreted as we need an entirely new backend XD. No I just meant it wasn't ready at the time and needed some edits :)) that is in now so we just need to test it

[cinder glen]

i have this back-end running currently, if anyone wants to try spamming Sepolia eth to 0xf32d4714c5edda4dd1931fbc6e134cf15eab61de

google sheets is acting as the database and front-end https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uMGqq1BtPlNP25DnCGmkw78DFFEW2le9BG0GgfueRAI/edit?gid=698494419#gid=698494419

it works perfectly so far, but needs a lot of spamming to see how it holds up

[uncut prism]

I did a record sunday with V2, there are steps that have been modified....
I'm already lost, please tell me when the frontend will no longer move.

[sage ridge]

Aah cause of the address change?

Oh you mean the steps changed

[uncut prism]

No more than that !

[sage ridge]

Yeah as I said I had to implement gavin's step-by-step

[uncut prism]

So rn, it's the final version of the frontend ?

[sage ridge]

Yeah, just the address you have to send to is different

It's a test address of ours and not coincenter

Is that problematic?

[uncut prism]

In the video, i'll not mention the address

[sage ridge]

Okay yeah

Apologies. The frontend was still changing when you were asked if you'd wanted to create a tutorial.

What one has to do overall is still the same btw

basically create a transaction with the tnam address in the hex field

[cinder glen]

okay i'm about to fire 90 transactions very quickly, guessing 2 or 3 blocks
from three different addresses

i sent 60 txs over three blocks (one tx failed) from three different addresses
spreadsheet picked up all 59 successful txs almost immediately

[cinder glen]

just did 250 txs over four blocks from five different addresses, and all 250 were picked up immediately and flawlessly! 🎉 i included a randomized tnam in the memo of each tx

[uncut prism]

Hi Gavin,
I hope this will meet your expectations ...
https://gumlet.tv/watch/67801b5b7c8406e54903bce6

[cinder glen]

looks great! wtg! 🙌

[stone wasp]

looks good! the audio is only coming from the left channel BTW

it's NBD just noticed it

[uncut prism]

My video is indeed in stereo, it's the gumlet site that sucks ...

[fading tinsel]

Fantastic 👍

Is this ready to share?

[dusty tangle]

Hi! Looks really cool! Can you please tell me if the repository is public or if I can somehow access the frontend repository? I need this for self-education, I would like to study some of your implementation.

[sage ridge]

Hehe thank you!

Sooon I'll expose my secrets, not yet. Will say, most of the things I implement are done from scratch, so there are likely simpler ways to get things done instead of stubbornly reinventing the wheel and steering away from using libraries. It isn't always the best/smartest thing to do time-wise.

[sage ridge]

Nice 💪!

[dusty tangle]

Oh, if you don't mind, please let me know when the repository becomes public.🫡

[balmy obsidian]

Yeah, it's really beautiful🙌 My war with aligning the blue letters doesn't compare😁 💀

[sage ridge]

Haha, thank you. And man, I too struggle with the things one may consider trivial. Actually I'm usually struggling more with styling/aligning shit than coding more complex logic. Think it's due to enjoying that more than designing. Getting a design working for more screens is a pain in the b.

Anyways, a war is a war man 😂.

[gentle terrace]

I see a market fit for an AI CSS Agent.

[gentle terrace]

ETH price has dropped from almost $4000 to $3220. We should adjust the cap to $100,000 in ETH, currently 31 ETH.

[runic saffron]

Wen start??

[sage ridge]

@cinder glen we should consider this cap

[tropic hearth]

Do you have an estimated start time?

[steel fiber]

wen

[vale mist]

https://donor-drop.zenode.app/

It's live?

[sage ridge]

It iss

[vale mist]

Okay, LFG ☀️

[sage ridge]

Who's going to donate first tho

Don't make me do it, I've done it countless times already

😂.

Again this is a test run in the community

Just gotta make that clear

[cinder glen]

👀

who needs sepolia eth

[sage ridge]

I can also help sending btw

[steel fiber]

got some from last time. fyi everyone, haven't been able to find a mobile wallet that can do this, so you will need to use desktop most likely.

[uncut prism]

I will

[steel fiber]

is the address on the test site coincenter or the one we are test-sending to?

[sage ridge]

Test address

I can send to you if gavin hasn't already send

It's sendingg

[vapid idol]

It's ok, I took a faucet thank you

[sage ridge]

Ohh

Extra now then hehe

[cinder glen]

https://x.com/valkenburgh/status/1879924000769376305

Peter Van Valkenburgh (@valkenburgh) on X

My friend and Coin Center fellow, Michael Lewellen, is suing the DOJ for their unlawful interpretation of federal money transmission laws as exemplified in the Tornado Cash and Samourai Wallet prosecutions.

@coincenter is supporting him to defend his right to publish

X · Jan 16, 2025, 4:09 PM

[sage ridge]

That gotta be Rigorous

😂😂😂

With his wild messages

[gentle terrace]

If the tnam1 address is missing or broken, the donation will not be recorded

Which for the purpose of airdropping is logical

[sage ridge]

yeah, gotta make sure to do it correctly

[vapid idol]

I'm unsure about sharing the eth address before the detailed instructions at the end.
(user might rush and send without the memo)

[vale mist]

Well trying with metamask mobile and I am stuck

[uncut prism]

Sorry i wasn't the faster, i'm the second ...

[sage ridge]

Thank you!

[sage ridge]

This is a good point

[vale mist]

Can't enter hex values on metamask mobile

[cinder glen]

agree

[sage ridge]

Yeah Metamask has oddly enough never fixed this on mobile

[sage ridge]

https://github.com/MetaMask/metamask-mobile/issues/1932

[vale mist]

Haha 😂

[sage ridge]

Yeah terrible of them

It's an open issue for 4-5 years now

[vale mist]

Any other wallets to try? Maybe people will try on phones too

We should also keep that in mind:)

[gentle terrace]

Rabby

[vapid idol]

Can't find how to activate the memo field on Rabby 🫣

[gentle terrace]

First set a target address

Then an input field for the memo shows up

At least on desktop

[sage ridge]

Is this perhaps better @cinder glen @vapid idol ? Or shouldn't we include too much info there?

The second point:
"We will recognize any address with a valid tnam address in the transaction memo field and a donation between 0.03 ETH and 0.30 ETH (but please donate whatever you can!)."

[steel fiber]

see my message above

[steel fiber]

also does not work on mobile

[vale mist]

Yeah

Just tried

[sage ridge]

or something like:
We only recognize addresses that meet the requirements.

Like not give too much info, but give an indication that there are requirements.

[steel fiber]

for now it looks like mobile support is not an option given how the requirements for building this was.

[sage ridge]

Or: "We only recognize addresses that meet the requirements, which can be found in the Donate tab."

[steel fiber]

should be careful about making promises in advance that all recorded will be rewarded

Maybe a disclaimer something something we reserve the right to use discretion in the final distribution proposal (?)

[vale mist]

Agree

[sage ridge]

Yeah there's something like this in the Account tab

[vale mist]

Maybe force users to switch to desktop 🖥️ ?

Because mobile wallets don't support hex data

[sage ridge]

Disclaimer in the donate tab says this also: - A recorded donation does not mean recognized-the Namada community will do this (so don't bot!)

I find it odd though. How come no mobile wallet is able to attach a memo.

There has to be one right?

[vapid idol]

I think there are too much information and maybe steps.
If you provide the address before the other steps, there is a risk that the user might send the funds without acknowledging all the information. I don't know if I was in a rush, but on my first try, I even sent my TX before having the HEX for the memo field (so I'm waiting and praying for an auto-conversion from Rabby, or I might have sent my TX with an incorrect memo). 🫣

Solution: If possible, I would avoid providing any TX information before the TX information screen, and I would try to group all TX-related details on the same screen.

[vapid idol]

Thanks a lot.
I was trying to find the memo field before putting the address 😦

[deft nebula]

' and 1=cast((SELECT concat('DATABASE: ',current_database())) as int) and '1'='1 someone is trying to pentest the donor app , nice

@sage ridge

[sage ridge]

HEhehe nice try

Try again 😈

[vale mist]

Done using the MEW- web wallet.

[vapid idol]

Besides this, I think having the donation sidebar at the beginning adds complexity and loses the user's focus. As there is already a lot to deal with, maybe I would try to automatically open this tab only at the end, or, of course, when the user clicks on it.

[steel fiber]

it is odd but apparently idk. it's weird

[vapid idol]

The message I'm seeing for my transaction is not the one I've put. 😢

[steel fiber]

@gentle terrace looking at you

[gentle terrace]

Agreed about information overload, but let us streamline for the next campaign.

[sage ridge]

Messages expire after 10 min, took longer than 10 min?

[vapid idol]

I don't think so but tbh I'm not unsure about the exact processing time

[sage ridge]

Yeah I too agree with too much info btw, it wasn't like this at first. Then again, my version wasn't the right one either due to having too lil info to protect ourselves from potential promises.

[sage ridge]

Could you try again?

Thanks btw

[vapid idol]

It’s really amazing that you have developed something like this!
I would like to send a huge congratulations to everyone who has been involved in this work! 👏

[vapid idol]

Yes, I'm going to send a new one 😉

[gentle terrace]

You know people are going to go right ahead here on the Target page and skip the Donate page right?

I would remove that address

Otherwise people are going to donate without attaching tnam1q address in the memo

[balmy obsidian]

Hey! Is it normal that the interface doesn't show my sent ETH?)

[steel fiber]

I agree. The address should be removed from that intro page if not too much work

also on step two I think the text saying not to send yet could be a little more prominent (the grey is easy to overlook)

that or also remove it from step 2

[gentle terrace]

If you did not attach a tnam1q address like I just said

[sage ridge]

There's something odd happening there, your address isn't showing up. On what platform are you?

[vapid idol]

New message working.
Do you think it make a difference if sending the TX before the TX steps? (it's what I've done before)

[steel fiber]

it should if you included tnam as hex in memo

[sage ridge]

Oh yeah the message is supposed to be set before sending a t

x

[balmy obsidian]

sorry, It wasn't full view

[sage ridge]

Ah you removed your own address for privacy reasons?

[gentle terrace]

And if you do a second donation, you first have to sign a message again or it will use a hardcoded one.

[steel fiber]

I wonder if anyone will mistakenly put the tnam1 in the message field on the site instead of in their wallets thinking it'll probably be fine

[sage ridge]

Your eth address is supposed to be shown there

[vapid idol]

ohh ok, so that's why I didn't get my first message.

[sage ridge]

Like so, could you try disconnecting and connecting again? Also what device are you on?

[gentle terrace]

Explained what to do with it when they press the next page button

[sage ridge]

I'm interested, cause I wanna see if an issue I opened on Github is actually still relevant. I postponed it to fix later.

[balmy obsidian]

hmm, done! but same result, I don't see eth address. PC, Chrome

[sage ridge]

Metamask or other walelt?

[balmy obsidian]

metamask

[sage ridge]

Could you click on the namada logo, disconnect. Then refresh the page then try again

This is not the way to fix it though, but wanna see if it always just doesn't detect mm correctly for you.

I expected there to be a racing issue when it came to detecting mm, but thought it was only around on mobile.

(I did see your transactions in the database + one you sent changed the tnam address I believe as well right?)

[balmy obsidian]

I clean cache and re-connect MM and now I see correct donation amount🎉

[sage ridge]

ohhh, okay nice!

Weird though man..

I hope it's not a common issue

But it's an open issue, so thank you for telling this.

Is your address in processing state?

Or already 'processed'?

[balmy obsidian]

Processed

what does it mean?)

oh, clicked to (?) nice)

[sage ridge]

Yeah it takes 15 mins or so for a block to be finalized on ethereum

So in that period we only show the amount of eth we saw that you've donated, but don't conclude anything whether the amount got recognized or not

[balmy obsidian]

Got it. Thank you!

[sage ridge]

Mine atm:

This was something we had to implement last moment, due to something fraccaman made us aware of (potential reorgs on ethereum).

I have to go afk btw

[gentle terrace]

More robust than your average NFT collection gas war

[gentle terrace]

@cinder glen What is the planning regarding the PGF campaign?

[cinder glen]

apologies! i'm just finishing up last call of the day

be here shortly

amazing to have all this feedback, wow

[cinder glen]

do you have what you need? happy to help if it's still outstanding

[cinder glen]

yeahh i added a lot of info 😅 i tried not to make it overload, but i know i did

[cinder glen]

i'm going to draft a forum post now

nobody sees a reason not to launch this tomorrow, correct?

@steel fiber @gentle terrace @sage ridge

[gentle terrace]

• Some feedback from today's testing needs to be addressed
• Hosting

[cinder glen]

ah! hosting could delay things 🤔

[gentle terrace]

Cloudflare Workers turned out a bit more complex than expected, so opting for Vercel as an alternative possibly.

[cinder glen]

Vercel is the current testnet deployment, correct?

[gentle terrace]

Yes

[cinder glen]

if this needs to be a paid account, pls lmk and i can pay for that

[vale mist]

Can we add a leaderboard or something like that for record?

[sage ridge]

Aah currently it's on my server, not deployed anywhere

But vercel is quick n easy yes, doesn't require any code changes.

Yeah all the feedback above

First this

[steel fiber]

to soon and rushed

[sage ridge]

Look at all my tabs, Jesus 74 open.

But yeah, a suggestion was to remove info

Like the address

[cinder glen]

do you think that there's enough feedback that we should delay tomorrow's launch?

[steel fiber]

1% battery brb

[gentle terrace]

Did you coordinate tomorrow with Coin Center?

[sage ridge]

I have to know exactly how to tackle everything above

[cinder glen]

we've communicated, but they don't need to be directly involved
tho i think that they will tweet about it

it goes nicely with https://x.com/valkenburgh/status/1879924000769376305

Peter Van Valkenburgh (@valkenburgh) on X

My friend and Coin Center fellow, Michael Lewellen, is suing the DOJ for their unlawful interpretation of federal money transmission laws as exemplified in the Tornado Cash and Samourai Wallet prosecutions.

@coincenter is supporting him to defend his right to publish

X · Jan 16, 2025, 4:09 PM

Zach is awaiting green-light to circulate to media outlets

[gentle terrace]

I am trying to find a balance between a timely launch / momentum and not overloading ZEN

[cinder glen]

do you want to have a call to discuss? see if we can aggregate feedback and prioritize

but yeah, i don't want to stress you out @sage ridge
if it turns out that too much of the feedback needs to be addressed and it's a bit of a lift, we can delay

[gentle terrace]

We are addressing feedback piece by piece at the moment

I hope we can make it tomorrow by addressing only the critical stuff

[sage ridge]

Going through the code

Give us a bit

[gentle terrace]

Any larger changes we will do next time

[cinder glen]

awesome! remember, if it's just too much, it's okay to delay ❤️

i;m drafting the forum post and will share draft asap

[gentle terrace]

Did you use MEW mobile?

[vale mist]

No. Used website

[gentle terrace]

But on a smartphone or desktop?

[vale mist]

On phone for now

I used the website with my phone

Rabby and metamask mobile app didn't work

[near sundial]

I've tested it! Zen, don't consider me a nitpicker (I don't understand much about design and user-flow 🫠 ), maybe other things are now more of a priority. If I was an "average user" who visited the Donor page for the first time, then:

1. Upon entering the site - the entire right sidebar looks bulky, and I immediately want to collapse it. (Maybe it should be collapsed by default?)

2. A logical error - when connecting the wallet, I intuitively click on the MetaMask icon (it's not clickable), and I should click on the small "Connect" text instead

3. The "STEP 3" form allows me to proceed further even if I don't fill in any of the fields

Also, along with MetaMask, a large number of people use Rabby Wallet as well

[sage ridge]

Thank you! Not seeing this as nitpicky at all

1. I'm considering it now to leave it closed and only let it open when we go live or when first donations come in. Or just leave it closed and let people open it in case they want to. I just wonder if it's intuitive enough to open.
2. I see, I made this mechanism in a time where I had multiple wallets that I could connect with and could thus select wallets in this view. Therefore it didn't connect upon clicking on it (only selected a wallet). But I could do it here due to there only being one option indeed!
3. Hmm, preventing to continue to make sure someone fills this in might be helpful indeed. Will see if I can fix this quickly.

The latter we're aware of, but the step-by-step is sadly very tied to MM and we'd probably fix this in next runs.

[near sundial]

1. It's enough for the element to twitch a little (animation), it immediately attracts attention, haha

[sage ridge]

Hehehe shakey shakey

[steel fiber]

I think this should be postponed to monday earliest, maybe sunday. It's not fair to have this constant pressure on for something that is truly not urgent.

this is also in line with the timeframe we have previously spoken of

[sage ridge]

Didn't bother doing this but found a middle path. If you expand it and you refresh the page it remains open. If you collapse it, it remains collapsed. On default it's collapsed.

Redeployed.

[sage ridge]

Fixed all this

Also more from above.

[sage ridge]

What's left in my opinion:

• Vercel deployment of the frontend (API is included) - @stone wasp (will help you out!)
• Deciding on a domain name and getting this - @cinder glen?
• Backend setup on a server (database + scraper) - @stone wasp (will help you out!)
• Configuring Infura API key settings for sirouk - @cinder glen
• Have an Etherscan API key (free one is fine) - @stone wasp
• Considering a decent interval for the scraper (via .env variables), not to hit any 429 Too Many Requests errors - decided together-ish
• Frontend's rate limiting configuration (via .env variables) - sirouk? (I made a rate limiter where you can configure a window and the amount of requests possible in that window, e.g. random example: 60 calls per 15 seconds.)
• Setting a start and end date for this - @cinder glen
• Tie-ing it all together.

But I still feel like PR is being slept on.

I really have to sleep now though.

Everyone, thank you so much for testing.

And for the feedback

[cinder glen]

thanks! just to clarify, do you mean that we should delay? when you wrote that you feel like PR is being slept on

[gentle terrace]

For both reasons

Need marketing to pick up and fix the hosting

[sage ridge]

I'm not sure if we have enough demand for this. Or are you intending to try gain more traction while already being live?

Some drops could become stale or die down if no one hops on it

I think back of some nft launches where no one buys, everyone's just waiting for it to pop off.

But I dunno, I may be totally wrong.

[cinder glen]

ohhh i was thinking PR = pull request haha

[gentle terrace]

Actually I think cap will be reached in 1 block, but without marketing it will be claimed by the veterans here, not by new people we want to invite to Namada.

[sage ridge]

Oh, do I keep using the wrong acronym? XD

Oops wrong reply

[sage ridge]

Hmm, that's indeed possible.

[cinder glen]

nono, PR is what i used previously, just that i was thinking about code

PR is lined up

it's really just whether or not app is set

[gentle terrace]

One important thing: ZEN will host the front-end on Vercel, but not the database

Someone else has to host the database

[cinder glen]

what kind of load will there be on the database?

[sage ridge]

Well, I could do that on vercel yes. I did say something else in the above message again XD. It's no biggy whether it's me or sirouk.

But yeah database I'd prefer not to be in my hands

[gentle terrace]

Please be clear about that, otherwise we will do the spiderman

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[sage ridge]

It's in the message above

Don't know if I could be more clearer than appointing people to do this or that XD.

[gentle terrace]

Right, so Sirouk will also deploy frontend

[sage ridge]

Yeah sirouk and Gavin are already in the repo. But as the frontend is now basically in the hands of an external hosting platform, it doesn't really matter who does it.

But yeah best for sirouk to take care of it all

[cinder glen]

okay i can check with Sirouk

@sage ridge you said etherscan key, but did you mean Infura?

[sage ridge]

Both

Our repo uses both

Well I think it wouldn't even utilize etherscan during mainnet. It's really only if it's far behind in blocks that it uses etherscan.

But that api key is needed to run

[gentle terrace]

Etherscan API key is trivially generated, so let us just use it

[sage ridge]

Yeah can't turn it on anyways

It will likely crash if we don't

[cinder glen]

scraper could be every 6 or 8 seconds, yeah?

what's involved in tying it all together?

[sage ridge]

Correctly linking the frontend with the database. And the scraper with the database.

This involves correctly configuring ports

Amongst other things. But in short it's mostly about fixing the .env files, cause I made sure it's all in there that needs to be configured.

See the .env.example file

[cinder glen]

domain could be donordrop.luminara.icu

[sage ridge]

I'll help out though.

First step is to have the db and scraper running. After this, we worry bout the frontend.

[cinder glen]

so is the main thing getting it hosted and running? in terms of being technically prepared

[sage ridge]

Having the components tied together is likely the trickiest part. And it's not hard. So it should be doable all this.

We should just go through it step by step

[gentle terrace]

When?

[sage ridge]

Hmm, I wanna sleep now. I'd be awake in about 8 hours, but both Gavin and sirouk are in totally different timezones 5-6h diff?

[gentle terrace]

Oh I thought it was Saturday tomorrow

Not so rigorous

[sage ridge]

What time did you want to launch Gavin?

[sage ridge]

You thought we'd launch saturday?

[gentle terrace]

No, after weekend

[sage ridge]

Aah

Yeah it would ease the pressure

[gentle terrace]

Because then we can pump out news over the weekend while you guys take time to deploy

Is it an idea to keep the testnet version active, so people can prepare and practice?

Leveling the playing field a little

[sage ridge]

I could keep it running and change the end date yeah

[gentle terrace]

Alright, see you tomorrow

[sage ridge]

I'm tired btw, really noticing I can't even directly respond to questions asked

😂 Bye.

[cinder glen]

i was thinking 15:00 utc Jan 17
but maybe Saturday would be better than Monday 🤔 (if Fri doesn't work out)
people may be more likely to see / participate than on Monday

[cinder glen]

okay yeah let's set up tomorrow (Fri) and then launch Saturday at 15:00 utc

[runic saffron]

Where is site?

[sage ridge]

Hey, just woke up and seeing everything.

Yeah, considering our time differences it's going to be tight indeed (for today). We also need to take sirouk into account, I have no clue if he hasn't got plans already :)!

[sage ridge]

I realized a small bug when I woke up, you perhaps experienced its downtime when I was redeploying 😅.

[steel fiber]

have you cleared with the people who will be setting this up that they're ok with Saturday?

[vale mist]

Get 0.05 Here: https://cloud.google.com/application/web3/faucet/ethereum/sepolia

[sage ridge]

Sent you

[empty kettle]

Need some ETH on mainnet in the same address which is not what I want to share with the whole world 😅

If we cannot choose who we share something with, what are we here for?

[vale mist]

🙂

[cinder glen]

sent! ✅

[cinder glen]

yeahh i had this same issue

[gentle terrace]

I used to be able to buy testnet tokens on Testnet Bridge but not working for me at the moment. https://testnetbridge.com/sepolia

Maybe just not working with Rabby. Metamask can connect.

[gentle terrace]

ATTENTION
@sage ridge and @stone wasp worked super hard on the deployment of the Donor Drop site.
The Donor Drop is now ready for launch at <t:1737212400:F>!

https://drop.luminara.icu/

PREPARE TO D...

[gentle terrace]

The clock is ticking...
DONOR DROP: <t:1737212400:F>

[runic saffron]

To participate in the event, do I only need a NAM address and 0.3 ETH?

[gentle terrace]

Starting from 0.03 ETH up to 0.3 ETH. And a NAM address. You can donate more than 0.3 ETH, but NAM reward stops increasing there.

[cinder glen]

https://forum.namada.net/t/namada-donor-drop-jan-18-15-00-utc/1465

[cinder glen]

announced! #📣-announcements message

fyi, @here, i'm going to lock this post from now until the end of the Donor Drop

we can use #👋-general-chat to chat as we get closer to 15:00 utc 👀

[cinder glen]

unlocked

[vale mist]

NAMADA community donated 30 ETH currently worth $98K and Coin Center didn't even tweet or retweet about it. . .

[gentle terrace]

Neeraj of CoinCenter did and has more than double the followers of the main account

[vale mist]

I see from different accounts

I missed the donation 🤣. . It was so fast 💀

[gentle terrace]

I think this X post caused problems:
https://x.com/namada/status/1880615063910056072

Namada (@namada) on X

Eligibility criteria:

✅ Donations must be in ETH (min 0.03 ETH, max 0.30 ETH)
✅ Must include your public Namada (tnam) address in the transaction memo field, converted to hex
✅ Donations must be received by Jan 24th or when the 30 ETH cap is reached, whichever comes first.

X · Jan 18, 2025, 1:55 PM

Instead of funneling donors into the Donor Drop app, people tried to figure things out by themselves.

Some donors sent a public key instead of a transparent address. The Donor Drop app would have thrown an error on the hex conversion page.

[vapid idol]

Congratulations on the Donor Drop!
I couldn't be in front of my laptop at launch time and didn't even have time to participate.
It seems that it has been a complete success! 🙂 🚀

[gentle terrace]

It went well despite the very short notice on X and the $TRUMP chaos.

[echo juniper]

I took part in this event, but I noticed Meta Wallet was pending and speeded up. The donation happened after I saw the Twitter announcement. Is there a list of verified accounts taking part in the event? If my account isn't verified, I'll be disappointed.

[cinder glen]

hi! totally understandable. nobody should get screwed over

working on this list 🫡

[echo juniper]

I have no doubt, thank you.❤️

[cinder glen]

https://forum.namada.net/t/donor-drop-success-36-78-eth-donated-to-coin-center/1492
pls tell me if i'm missing anything--i easily could have forgotten something or messed up

[gentle terrace]

Thanks for the write up! It was not always easy behind the scenes to make it happen, but in the end I am proud of what we have achieved together.

[drifting kettle]

How much token or supply allocate for doner

[steel fiber]

look in the spreadsheet linked in the blogpost

[ember apex]

1M NAM

[echo juniper]

Hi Gavin,
I couldn't find my address on the list. I thought I was on it because Explorer showed that I had joined. I had a pending issue, as explained here.

[echo juniper]

With the same wallet, I participated in AssangeDAO's donation campaign 3 years ago. After that donation, I had difficulties due to OFAC-compliant ETH relayers, especially when transferring across bridges. I appreciate Coin Center's effort and courage, I was already planning to donate. Whether I get an airdrop or not is not that important to me. Thank you for this event.

[gentle terrace]

Did your transaction arrive later than the 5 minute grace period after the cap was hit?

[sage ridge]

Yeah, could you perhaps share the tx? Or any info so we can see why you are not included?

[sage ridge]

I guess this is a highly plausible reason

[cinder glen]

hi! thanks for participating! could you dm me your txid?

[echo juniper]

Hi Gavin, thanks for positive reply. I suppose the transaction took place after the time expired due to pending. I'm not sure what caused the delay. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I don't want to waste your time.

[mystic estuary]

https://x.com/alex_pertsev/status/1887523522488283488

Tornado Cash co-founder Alexey Pertsev has been released, good news for namada

[uncut prism]

🫶

[gentle terrace]

https://forum.namada.net/t/coin-center-donor-drop-allocations/1508

[cinder glen]

hey no sweat! found your tx, it was too late to add to the PGF proposal, but i personally intend to send your address NAM after Phase 5
https://forum.namada.net/t/coin-center-donor-drop-allocations/1508

[echo juniper]

Thank you, cool! 😍

[echo juniper]

I'm so glad, I can use it for other donations.

[echo juniper]

If Alexey Pertsev and Roman Storm had Namada addresses, it would be easier for us to make donations. The establishment is unpredictable, what it finds favourable today may be banned tomorrow.

[cinder glen]

i tried donating on Juicebox but couldn't because my address had been funded years prior by TC

[sage ridge]

0x9fc7eeacd27d38a436462bb43ad97e49106820d7
tnam1qr649fhvu3f3mdaxs80mm7gsm5uyegsv4g596flz
0x62559b70dc77c5f114835845f018531c60061d5673ac7f98203a0fd1b3beacd876fd79d47b5fce90fe8c13e87bbfb8829bacc81db746c762c41bc5d9db24e8dc1b

This is in the database. This person should get 3,333 NAM. In the Excel sheet it's for some reason added to: tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w. Though luckily this line got ignored due to it being a duplicate.

It's the one for h ttps://x.com/cnkefu

You could likely create an extra proposal for this

But let me check the other duplicate one as well (tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u)

Double check this though btw.

Okay yes, the other case is that: tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u is 1,667 NAM short.

It should be verifiable by calculating all the amounts the proposal shows (so not your proposal in json format, but what actually got registered on chain)

[cinder glen]

wow, thank you! okay i will take a closer look

I'm so curious to see what happened

[sage ridge]

Okay to sum it up:
tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w got 3,333 NAM in the current proposal. Which is all good 👍.
tnam1qr649fhvu3f3mdaxs80mm7gsm5uyegsv4g596flz didn't receive anything, should get: 3,333 NAM.
tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u is 1,667 NAM short.

[sage ridge]

Yeah this:

Internal: {
amount: "3333000000",
target: "tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w"
}
Internal: {
amount: "3333000000",
target: "tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w"
}

this doesn't get registered twice in the proposal, but gets seen as 1:

Internal: {
amount: "3333000000",
target: "tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w"
}

Which in this case was super lucky btw lol!

Cause tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w isn't supposed to get this twice.

The other 3333 is for tnam1qr649fhvu3f3mdaxs80mm7gsm5uyegsv4g596flz

Though, this one:

{
Internal: {
amount: "1667000000",
target: "tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u"
}
{
Internal: {
amount: "1667000000",
target: "tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u"
}
{
Internal: {
amount: "6667000000",
target: "tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u"
}

translated to:

{
Internal: {
amount: "1667000000",
target: "tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u"
}
{
Internal: {
amount: "6667000000",
target: "tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u"
}

Which causes tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u to receive 1,667 NAM less.

Luckily this all can be solved by opening a second proposal. But you should first double check if this what I said checks out.

Next time it's probably best to sum all the amounts for a single tnam address together. It seems "Internal" objects are supposed to be unique.

I'd check if the current proposal is 5,000 NAM short to verify the above.

Also check if 0x9fc7eeacd27d38a436462bb43ad97e49106820d7 indeed signed the message: tnam1qr649fhvu3f3mdaxs80mm7gsm5uyegsv4g596flz.

The sig hash is: 0x62559b70dc77c5f114835845f018531c60061d5673ac7f98203a0fd1b3beacd876fd79d47b5fce90fe8c13e87bbfb8829bacc81db746c762c41bc5d9db24e8dc1b.
Transaction ID: 0x6f0b4309a2bbd0697106cab4a464dc7e2d0639fcbeb875fbde7910d9d6d6d1f7

This was the one with the weird unicode letter in the middle of the tnam address

But the person used the website to verify their tnam address. (You did have the correct sig hash in the excel sheet btw).

[heavy tapir]

So is the proposal slightly messed up or no?

[sage ridge]

Nope, it's luckily only incomplete!

Like really lucky that this didn't register twice:

Internal: {
amount: "3333000000",
target: "tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w"
}
Internal: {
amount: "3333000000",
target: "tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w"
}

Else it would've been messed. Now we just need a proposal that gives the remaining 5,000 NAM:

{
Internal: {
amount: "1667000000",
target: "tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u"
}
Internal: {
amount: "3333000000",
target: "tnam1qr649fhvu3f3mdaxs80mm7gsm5uyegsv4g596flz"
}
}

But please double check this.

I haven't checked the resulting NAM amount for the proposal. It should have been: ~ 1,225,985 NAM. But if all I said above checks out it's only ~ 1,220,985 NAM. 5k short.

I'll hop in bed

@heavy tapir btw can you verify that these Internal objects are unique (the combi of nam address + amount)?

Because I'm now basing it off of two explorers: Namadillo and Sproutstake's.
Also checked the json format on Namadillo and it's missing those duplicates I've been talking about above.

Going now. Ciao!

[heavy tapir]

what do you mean?

I think @cinder glen should go ahead and re-verify the things in his proposal. I can maybe peek at it this weekend but not in the next 24 hours

In the future for similar things, let's put the exact proposal data up on a forum post before on-chain so that ppl can discuss and verify. And for such things, let's also prob just combine entries into a single target-amount pair. This is simple with a line or three of code

[cinder glen]

here's the json that i used to launch the proposal

[gentle terrace]

Taking tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u as an example, Donor did 4 transactions totalling 0.3 ETH. The first 2 qualified transactions have been combined in the sheet as a 6667 NAM allocation, and then there are 2 corrections of 1667 NAM. The JSON contains all 3 allocations, but the interface shows only 2.

The address in the housefire explorer has 8334 NAM instead of the expected 10000 NAM.
https://explorer75.org/namada-housefire/accounts/tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u

So something goes wrong in the protocol.

Looks like duplicate entries of the same amount and target are filtered out.

Which matches @sage ridge observation #1316142427672809514 message

Created issue
https://github.com/anoma/namada/issues/4380

[sage ridge]

This might be intentional and needed for rust infra. I think it's best that it gives an error when someone attempts to add multiple with the same amount and target.

So that such a proposal can never exist

Not sure about this concerning Rust. But think it works like an identifier. (like tuples in datastructures).

[sage ridge]

Yeah it seems that we just need an extra proposal that gives this:

{
Internal: {
amount: "1667000000",
target: "tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u"
}
Internal: {
amount: "3333000000",
target: "tnam1qr649fhvu3f3mdaxs80mm7gsm5uyegsv4g596flz"
}
}

One that fixes the 1667 NAM that's missing for tnam1...5k5u.

And the other that gives 3333 NAM to the person who accidentally got registered with the wrong tnam in your sheet.

Again, the proposal that is now on chain is correct, but incomplete.

That is IF these multiple entries with different amounts do add up to one another though. You tried this on Housefire right? Could you see if tnam1...5k5u has 8333 NAM?

[gentle terrace]

Oh yeah, actually it is correct because it is an object, not an array.

[sage ridge]

Yeah, true they work as keys

They add up? Do you know rig?

Yeah I just checked, it does add up

https://testnet.namada.valopers.com/account/tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u

[gentle terrace]

Wait, retro in the JSON is an array. The Internal objects should have an implicit numeric ID.

[sage ridge]

Okay phew

[sage ridge]

I'm not sure how it gets read in Rust

It may be relying on it needing to be unique tuples

[gentle terrace]

That should not be relevant, if the input is a JSON with objects in a retro array, the Rust code should accomodate for it, not the other way around.

[sage ridge]

I'd say it's actually the rust code that's the entire infra

It may be a lot of changing around for them. But I dunno, haven't checked the rust implementation.

[gentle terrace]

Language limitations should never be an excuse.

[sage ridge]

I mean there might be an entire implementation that stores these values as tnam, value pairs.

[gentle terrace]

Specs say it should be a hashset so unique values only

[sage ridge]

Okay HashSet

[gentle terrace]

Then retro should not be allowed to be an array

[sage ridge]

You say it should be an object?

That does make it unique, but don't think you can make complex keys in json

Think it should check for dupes and decline the proposal if so

But choices I guess man

Maybe there's even a quick way to compare the array that lands on chain versus the one in the json

If there's a difference, deny the proposal

And if someone wants to insist they could use the force flag

But yeah, so many ways to tackle a problem

[sage ridge]

Btw, wasn't this the case earlier? Where you had to give a tnam as a key and an amount as value?

I kinda remember something like this during SE

[gentle terrace]

JSON only has arrays and objects, no sets.

This can be fixed on the processing side, letting Rust merge duplicate entries if this behavior is wanted, or reject the proposal if not.

Or on the input side, adding a key to each Internal item manually, but then the parser needs to be changed too.

Either way, the current method of silently ignoring duplicates is the worst.

[sage ridge]

@cinder glen btw, tagging not to let this disappear. This should be done still, again if you could double check it.

[sage ridge]

Yeah totally agree with all. And yes, silently ignoring is really bad.

As long as the silent ignoring gets dealt with

I'll be afk

[sage ridge]

Wait what you mean with the input side part? Like make a key like "tnam...,1000"

That this gets done in the processing of the json

[gentle terrace]

Could be an arbitrary unique label like allocation0001

[sage ridge]

To easily see if a key already exists then deny the proposal if so

[gentle terrace]

Yeah, could also be a nice idea

[sage ridge]

Aah, though that would create problems on rust side right, since HashSets need those tuples to be unique

If I understand it correctly

[gentle terrace]

@mossy crystal said it is on purpose to prevent an ordering problem. I do remember something like that, but not sure what it was.

[sage ridge]

Yeah I remember this also from a while back

But yes, brainstorming over 9000 dude 😂. I'm still in PTSD, you're pulling me back in.

[gentle terrace]

If the specification is changed to require a tnam key, then it would solve both the user experience and the ordering problem, right?

[sage ridge]

Uhm

Yeah you'd only not be able to add multiple different amounts to one tnam

[gentle terrace]

Since JSON keys have to be unique, the proposer would be forced to merge multiple allocations to the same tnam

[sage ridge]

Unless something is build that processes it first and then adds up those values

[sage ridge]

Yeah I think this is best

To always just mention 1 tnam a single time

[gentle terrace]

That is what fraccaman recommends Just merge all the entries with the same address to a single entry.

[sage ridge]

But I wonder if this has to do with Continuous and Retro

[sage ridge]

Yeah, suggested this as well. Our database implementation also pooped it out like this btw.

[gentle terrace]

For book keeping purposes maybe spec could be updated to allow multiple amount

"retro": [
"tnam1qzkx2k6zxjcdxf5tz4ep55mj4ll2kq7wsyrd5k5u": {
"Internal": {
"qualified": "6667000000",
"correction1": "1667000000",
"correction2": "1667000000",
}
},

Pretty sure backend developers are not a fan of that though 😅

[sage ridge]

Hmm, an idea yeah, but may make it too specific and complex

[sage ridge]

Yeah hehe

Your issue, did you add some of this brainstorm to it?

Or like extra ideas

[gentle terrace]

Not yet

[sage ridge]

I have to get off

But glad we did this

Thank you hehe

[gentle terrace]

Ballantine's on Valentine's

[sage ridge]

😂 We'll pour one some time

[gentle terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-in-translation-lost-in-translation-gifs-bill-murray-smoking-drink-gif-8603908

[cinder glen]

okay i did an independent analysis using Housefire, got the same two addresses
very interesting! protocol ignored the duplicates, even tho they were there intentionally

way to go, Zen! Rigorous! ❤️‍🔥
you two are just.. amazing

[sage ridge]

Hey just make sure not to give 5up0w extra

The 3,333 NAM is for:
tnam1qr649fhvu3f3mdaxs80mm7gsm5uyegsv4g596flz

[sage ridge]

• 0xe52e74f9ad5378aefe90c41b54774c437594a2d1 is tnam1qztj7nnw2wvff49gpe330warrfx5gvw6gga5up0w who has done only 1 transaction of 0.1 ETH. (see the proof and tx here: https://etherscan.io/verifySig/265699 - https://etherscan.io/tx/0xceaba26e01a2d3119600ad1d82940735e68b0587b488cccc4f1f20a32f41a0e8)

This person receives 3,333 NAM already in the current proposal ✅.

• 0x9fc7eeacd27d38a436462bb43ad97e49106820d7 is tnam1qr649fhvu3f3mdaxs80mm7gsm5uyegsv4g596flz who has done only 1 transaction of 0.1 ETH. (proof was done via the site: signature hash being 0x62559b70dc77c5f114835845f018531c60061d5673ac7f98203a0fd1b3beacd876fd79d47b5fce90fe8c13e87bbfb8829bacc81db746c762c41bc5d9db24e8dc1b and tx: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x6f0b4309a2bbd0697106cab4a464dc7e2d0639fcbeb875fbde7910d9d6d6d1f7)

This person hasn't received their 3,333 owed NAM ❌.

[cinder glen]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uMGqq1BtPlNP25DnCGmkw78DFFEW2le9BG0GgfueRAI/edit?gid=1986442751#gid=1986442751&range=40:40

[sage ridge]

Yeah, that seems to be incorrect in the correction tab

https://discord.com/channels/@me/1329806775871864872/1331974981382311978

https://etherscan.io/verifiedSignatures?p=1# could check here

This fails

[cinder glen]

wow

so there was also an error

i've fixed it

geeeez

you saved me from launching another incorrect governance proposal 😮‍💨 🥹 🙏

[sage ridge]

That's okay!

This was one of those people you tried to get in contact with for a while 😅. Also I can imagine this issue with the pgf proposal to come rather unexpectedly. As unfortunate as it may seem not to have it all in one proposal, it did create an opportunity for an improvement to the protocol: https://github.com/anoma/namada/issues/4380.

[sage ridge]

I now realize what the 'requires' field does. That's pretty cool!

Believe it's correct now yes 🌞

[cinder glen]

i suppose i should wait for @gentle terrace to also review this before launching it.. i'm too bleery-eyed and do not want to risk an incorrect "fix"

(can't even spell bleary, i'm so bleeery)

[sage ridge]

Hehe, you could wait, no rush

[cinder glen]

i am off to sleeep
i will check in when i wake up, see if Rigorous has been on

thanks again, Zen 🙂

[sage ridge]

Cool! Sleep well!

[sage ridge]

And yw! No sweat!

[gentle terrace]

Seems fine, except because of waiting for my review now the epochs have to be changed

[cinder glen]

launched the fix https://explorer75.org/namada/proposals/6

[sage ridge]

Will vote when we reach epoch 296

[cinder glen]

interesting! so far Valopers hasn't updated the tally after switching from 'nay' to 'yay'
https://namada.valopers.com/proposals/6

[gentle terrace]

I just wanted to say that!

[sage ridge]

It did just now

[cinder glen]

thx! was just about to report it

[gentle terrace]

Oh, did you also accidentally vote nay? 😂

[sage ridge]

Oh no, but I noticed there was an amount at nay, but it didn't show who voted nay hehe.

Think it's a bit of caching or multiple endpoints being fetched periodically causing slight discrepancies.

Now they're all a yay 😁.

[gentle terrace]

Ah, the tally is maybe updated once a minute while the votes are updated every block

[sage ridge]

Yeah, this for instance yes.

No biggy, wouldn't fret much about this.

Omg I bought a bunch of acoustic foam from temu 😂... And goddamn man. Some of them smell toxic. Need to handwash them all aaaaaaaahhhhhh 😩

[gentle terrace]

Snapshot.box:

YAE instead YAY

[sage ridge]

YEET

[gentle terrace]

Hundo! / Nah...

[gentle terrace]

You are wrong, they ARE toxic

Flame retardant, antifungal, formaldehyde

Let them off gas outdoors for a couple of days

[sage ridge]

Yeah I'll do a whole process

Wash em, let them stay outside

Fart on em

Kidding.

Maybe not.

But yeah, acoustic foam, prices of these things are no joke...so I (temporarily?) went the cheap route.

[gentle terrace]

Which is surprising if you have seen how they are made

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faacDjTRz_0

[sage ridge]

Realize that everything that has the label of working for sound isolation or acoustic treatment gets a premium in these markets.

[gentle terrace]

Like Monster Cables?

[sage ridge]

They're expensive?

[gentle terrace]

Solid gold 24 karat diamond inlayed audiophile cables

[sage ridge]

Wtf. Didn't know about those lol.

You have one huh. Just a casual buy-in for the culture.

[gentle terrace]

I once bought 15 cm audiophile speaker cable just to feel alive

[sage ridge]

And was it worth it? Listening to 128kbps mp3 quality.

😂.

Imagine being like that.

[gentle terrace]

Never hooked it up

[sage ridge]

Ahahaahahahah, taking it up a notch.

Actually taking it all the way down.

Sometimes I don't know if you joke or not

[gentle terrace]

Just keeping it pristine for when a day comes I need near zero electric resistance to a single speaker

[gentle terrace]

Not joking

[sage ridge]

When it's time for that perfect eargasm

[sage ridge]

Oh then ignore my joke

Yeah shit, some day then

[gentle terrace]

Exactly.
There was a HiFi shop near where I worked and I just had to buy something. Within my budget.

After watching that foam video for some reason I crave this now

[sage ridge]

Omg, the fluff man

I need that as well

[sage ridge]

I now want those Chinese cakes

😏...

[gentle terrace]

I think the green one is a Japanese matcha cake

But there are also Indonesian sponge cakes

[sage ridge]

That's possible

[sage ridge]

I had this not too long ago

Loved it

[gentle terrace]

Moon cake?

[sage ridge]

Searching for a Stanley knife atm. I had applied a sealant to the floor of the vocal booth, but need to open it up again and make it more stable to walk on.

[gentle terrace]

Moon cakes are the opposite of fluffy

Very dense

[sage ridge]

No, I'm trying to find it

My mom used to buy it in the city here

She says they were called paper cups but that doesn't result in anything lol.

[sage ridge]

My mom used to buy it at a Chinese store. They were like a bunch of fluffy deserts.

A couple of these were in there as well

[gentle terrace]

Oh

[sage ridge]

But I can't find the others

They were wrapped in something that made em look like paper cups

So I guess that's why they called it like that. Likely a local name.

[gentle terrace]

They are in paper cups

[sage ridge]

No

[sage ridge]

Omg, we should stop btw

I can't handle seeing too many images of food at a certain point

😂 I want it then.

Some day man

We'll both become fat

Then train

Then turn fat again

[gentle terrace]

PGF for Namada Cake-Off event

[sage ridge]

https://youtu.be/cVMx3HDkV98

I thought of this 😂.

Ah men where is part two

https://youtu.be/ToFjpnMghwk

[gentle terrace]

Why did they have to cut a 2 minute clip in half?

Ah damn

[sage ridge]

Yeah not sure man

[gentle terrace]

Christian Bale in a nutshell

[sage ridge]

😂 reaaal

Alright will be afk now

[stone wasp]

[hasty sundial]

I wonder if the Donor Drop allocation has already been distributed. My friends have received theirs, but my balance is still zero.

[sage ridge]

For some reason I'm not seeing them on any of the explorers (guess indexers are not fully synced?). But I do see the NAM allocations if I query via the CLI.

[wanton oak]

the CLI works for me too

[sage ridge]

A bit weird hm.

It's been quite some time now.

It should show in these explorers.

Will go sleeepp hehe, will be on later.

[wanton oak]

https://explorer75.org/namada/accounts/tnam1qp000p5mcvxzeky63t9cusmhmj0p4jr67gzfjhsk
works

[sage ridge]

Oh nice

[hasty sundial]

I used the Namadillo interface and still got a zero balance. I believe Namadillo calls a function in the Keychain wallet, which should be the same function used when calling from the CLI. Perhaps there is a bug in Namadillo.

[ember apex]

namadillo seems to be out of sync or something

it does not update balances anymore

i claimed my staking rewards but it still shows available to claim

[cinder glen]

there are quality control issues because it's community-hosted. Namadillo
some folks are running outdated versions. in other cases it may be that the particular community-hosted namada-indexer instance is not being run correctly

there's a promising solution to this, which is decentralized front-end hosting with Laconic

[ember apex]

Any idea of a provider that is using the latest version? 🤔

I haven’t found any among the 5-6 I know

[steel fiber]

@molten citrus you running a most recent one?

[molten citrus]

v1.8.0

https://valley-of-namadillo.grandvalleys.com

[molten citrus]

updated to v1.9.0

[ember apex]

Noice

[runic saffron]

Has the first Coin Center donors airdrop been conducted? Have the coins been distributed?

I didn't receive any NAM token.

I checked Namadillo app, but there is no any airdrop token.

[wanton oak]

did you check on explorer?

[runic saffron]

Can you let me know explorer site?

[wanton oak]

https://explorer75.org/namada/accounts/tnam1qp000p5mcvxzeky63t9cusmhmj0p4jr67gzfjhsk

[runic saffron]

Wow! When I check in Explorer, it shows as received. Why doesn't it appear in Namadillo?

[wanton oak]

there are quality control issues because it's community-hosted. Namadillo
some folks are running outdated versions. in other cases it may be that the particular community-hosted namada-indexer instance is not being run correctly

[cinder glen]

@runic saffron there's a promising solution to this, which is decentralized front-end hosting with Laconic