**S-Class Review After the Submission

[fathom rose]

Please update the spreadsheet

[alpine mural]

@median harbor Hey
can check dm for my shielded app task?

[hexed hearth]

@median harbor Pls check my DM Spork, I want to submit Shielded Application. thank you

[proud hearth]

What is the point? anyway, at the end of the expedition you will write that those people who made the repeater on servers not in Asia will not be accepted or something like that.. haha ://this may be true

[fathom rose]

@median harbor Sorry for disturbing, but can you check dm please, a question about shielded application

[forest pilot]

i hope the team can extend the winners slot. i'm pretty sure 1-150 top ranks have spent a lot of time for the project

[idle wharf]

https://namada.izt.cc/explorer tpknam1qqwhx6lfqyzf8jg2efrr9zqzz39s3wg9pwgh6jphtm7a33spywxz2ka33ew
https://namada.ezd.cc/explorer tpknam1qrlzyncrr8vleuyzpvkfwacm9h4r7d0yvm0n9cf9r2qw93fn9hh55hnlyrj
https://namada.12cw.com/explorer tpknam1qqznj4vnp8vd9656qksau4q8nmuj0nd7gv2s3f56hlfpx8g8h3vrj05a8u5
https://namada.zhanguifa.com/explorer tpknam1qzr49f33287ty88hna2dht48n7r8nc2pzr2u0cv230sztk7zuf7wc0jgjjw
https://namada.xqzy.com/explorer tpknam1qqp8m7agf5j93zczy455k9c9nucy525qsjfcall8wju3q80takm3g8fw2up
https://namada.fanwenyun.com/explorer tpknam1qpptyc6mtrhgxu9r0g4cqe42wwcg7lpj9gq8wkles7nkxxe522pg5p7ngaj

https://namada.azhidao.com/explorer tpknam1qqsw58c4yddw3l82n7av6cd7rgdmfyuz32k8ruc38aaxaay96fupwhtvrmu
https://namada.gonglue1.com/explorer tpknam1qpryrkfs4yas2h2a48vtstxmnm5au53zs7vnvhq29hamh7dyz4hj7wj78u5
https://namada.cshz.net/explorer tpknam1qpr9pm84zjfgcct6ga6m93748d93tg79r9jj85vhkzgmm8ha75kzclsv0w7
https://namada.pzpz.net/explorer tpknam1qpnn046jlccrga2muqcmczhae7stje3vqpnx3dnk9vlam2zg9947g2ysveh
https://namada.car3.com.cn/explorer tpknam1qzyj7zczvhajtahnqncy5u86qy09vywdl7gvnef5suzdq77tq0c9z29k39h
https://explorer.yxo.cc/explorer tpknam1qqt92d8xfpqhmkeewxehwph0w8t2qr2vhwe3uljuvy00g32s8eh6k63g4cl
https://explorer.bubugou.com/explorer tpknam1qqhtz27rfsjglf43thkyqsnydnn7f2n58ftdvf8m444as5fqtwhpc5wt9jh

https://explorer.zexiaoyi.com/explorer tpknam1qpjc6l5ca4hcrzl7nsccqzy04qavd7tm696eqtdw359luyjsmj3pk5gfakn
https://explorer.6qq.net/explorer tpknam1qqt92d8xfpqhmkeewxehwph0w8t2qr2vhwe3uljuvy00g32s8eh6k63g4cl
https://explorer.ebooom.com/explorer tpknam1qpnkqs4levh6q2sfwgwpnjgcrnsp799epa6px0fq8kg8slqjd749srn9763
https://explorer.yxo.cc/explorer tpknam1qqt92d8xfpqhmkeewxehwph0w8t2qr2vhwe3uljuvy00g32s8eh6k63g4cl
https://namada.salesshow.com/explorer tpknam1qzwfk48q9nsz8zwpfjflf72gawaxuul2y2xsmzumh6z63z5488q0vym7ngn
https://namada.paitupian.com/explorer tpknam1qradvfq45akvgsgrv05saqu0m4n0eg29egudtgcw2adyawwyf52axvaxrva
https://namada.eeape.com/explorer tpknam1qq5mfa53zxpsqq6x724ym20dtgwwwuaptyv26tmnpdhzngxc0u50c0lgzm0

I discovered a ridiculous spam on the S class; someone submitted the same task at least 23 times (and that's just what I found).

[hexed kiln]

hey @median harbor, how can we clarify questions regarding some of the submissions ? should we dm you or there will be some form to submit ?

[lapis axle]

Did you upload source code on GitHub

Or makr it open source anywhere

[strange smelt]

Please, check 2201. fell into the wrong category. this is block explorer. tpknam1qqk90mhxe64lguv5v7ts4z5mtyu5jz7qlxwl8m8gmvdgfauv0qdacw6w9uc @median harbor

[topaz obsidian]

Hi @median harbor , what's Bad format meaning for my submittion at 2526 ?

PK: tpknam1qqjgef9zsd0gsyqn3af9nrgxyhapef3cjn5cyxpjcjgtq60de6502p8rf8h
Category: Operating Namada infrastructure as a service

[sweet spear]

@median harbor I've submitted the task S(Building Namada ecosystem integrations & tooling), but the Google Sheet hasn't been updated with it. Please check my DM.

[lone trench]

@median harbor can you see DM I can't see my task in the googlesheets sent on the 11th of March

[lapis axle]

Did you submit after epoch 90

[lone trench]

in epoch 90

[cunning meteor]

look for a message from gavin or spork explaining what is the good format for a submission
you have to put a link in the link, copy other submissions

[quick heron]

any info about mainet?

[lapis axle]

@median harbor task 2785 is commented as duplicate then why eligible for roids.?

[lyric lagoon]

duplicate tasks are automatically only counted once in the process as formerly explained

[foggy palm]

The results will come on April 22, right everyone?

[lapis axle]

means that task wont getting roids

[lyric lagoon]

means if there are two in same subclass same pubkey, only counted once

[sharp lintel]

What is the total score for Classes other than S?

[random oriole]

@round goblet @median harbor the definition of shielded actions is quite clearly stated in namada blogs:

You can use Namada to directly interact with other chains and their respective dApps with shielded actions.
Shaping Multichain Data Protection by Awa Sun Yin

It would be great if you could that this in your meeting with Anoma

[final pewter]

I sent explorer in the 2340 post, but it was rejected because it was not https. Could you please check again, my domain also supports https.

@round goblet @median harbor

[cyan cairn]

tpknam1qrue8uzgckzvvq9kuxt8eavxrvpr52mp8m53cnmj6qzxwrhmrpj6vrvg3c6 i submited as a namada tooling . but was categorized incorrectly as a rpc by you . please can u check? i have a faucet tools with p2earn game.also i didnt get any roid from this submit.

[tawdry latch]

look at the last tab in the googledoc, you're banned for copying another guys telegram bot

should be way more of this in my opinion.. using other peoples code with some minute, if any, changes seem to be rampant

[charred tapir]

shit im never submitted it, or maybe my friend that help me to operate node submitted it 😭

[hardy eagle]

I think spork is just getting started)

[pine lantern]

Has the team made it clear what they will do with these types of Spam submissions?
#1227752700498677810 message
#1220430590315204660 message

[candid cargo]

I see it already marked as spam on the sheet

[charred tapir]

@round goblet @median harbor check my DM plis

[pine lantern]

#1220430590315204660 message
The ones in this list are still not tagged with Spam. it looks like they just copied the same code with minor modifications. 🤖

[pine lantern]

@median harbor please check

[winged wolf]

Please review 306 - I added a comment to the spreadsheet - I should have submitted it to subclass "Building protocol and cryptography improvements" as the PR modified namadac (and I already have a submission for the other subclass).

[forest pilot]

those participants with spam tagged submissions are disqualified from the eligibility too, right?

[twin zenith]

Compared to the distribution of Roid, do participants receive the same number for a task or is it relative to the work requested?
In the case of an explorer for example, I created a custom indexer + an explorer which took me quite a bit of time, and I see that many people used namadexer.
If it is the same number of points no problem, my question is more if it is necessary to notify in some way that it is the work carried out in addition to the initial task because the submission of task S limited the number of characters and we do not could not specify exactly what we had done.
In any case, once again congratulations to everyone and have a good weekend everyone 😉

[random oriole]

No it's not, it's quite clear.

Shielded actions

You can use Namada to directly interact with other chains and their respective dApps with shielded actions.

On application-specific chains like Osmosis, users can trade ATOM for OSMO while remaining shielded. On Namada, the user signs a sequence of actions that get triggered automatically:

• Transfer ATOM from the shielded account on Namada over IBC to a transparent account on Osmosis.
• Trade ATOM for OSMO on Osmosis (this interaction is transparent).
• Transfer the OSMO from Osmosis to the user's shielded account on Namada over IBC.

This way, the user has traded ATOM for OSMO while remaining shielded, as there is no correlation between the identity of the source ATOM from the shielded set and the resulting OSMO to the shielded set.

Shielded actions are not limited to application chains that are IBC compatible, it works with any chain that is connected to Namada, e.g. Ethereum, and the actions can be generalised to interact with any dApp, such as trading NFTs or staking ETH.

Shaping Multichain Data Protection by Awa Sun Yin (Namada CEO)
@round goblet @median harbor

[candid cargo]

what he said is not related to the announcement about accepting cli instead of sdk

[teal ingot]

I know what he is talking about, he is mentioning about shielded action,
But in a way ibc gen shield transfer of shieldd asset for example shield (from znam add ) Naan to osmo is part of shielded action

[candid cargo]

shielding/shielded/unshielding not the same

[teal ingot]

So you mean, osmo to znam is not part of shielded action?

[candid cargo]

it is shielding action

[teal ingot]

Yes, that's what I was trying to refer. My bad on the misinterpretation on the cli

[random oriole]

what is shielded action:

[candid cargo]

you can use the cli that accepted, as long as you do correctly action

[teal ingot]

Yeah, agree.

[candid cargo]

hmm it should be shielded swap that is complicated flow

[teal ingot]

What hkey is referring I completely get it,

You can send naan from your znam address, to osmo transparent it swap for the current as per pool, and then osmosid send backs to namada znam address.

[random oriole]

You can use Namada to directly interact with other chains and their respective dApps with** shielded actions**.

[teal ingot]

Could be this simple

[candid cargo]

shielded action is a part of shielded swap. in the shielded swap we will use 2 shielded action

[teal ingot]

Correct

[random oriole]

no

shielded swap is a shielded action

[hardy eagle]

My opinion is that your own indexer can be counted as two classes - service and tools

[candid cargo]

i dont think so

[random oriole]

?

[teal ingot]

Shielded swap is what you did hkey

And that's it. It's part of shieldd action

Well let's not complicate thing and wait for spork to validate. But as far as my knowledge I'm correct

[exotic wraith]

hi @median harbor Let me clarify, I revised the document and labeled it as Building Tool. However, Hades also made enhancements to the document. Why is it now being referred to as a Improvement. I must be counted as an improvement 😀

[candid cargo]

yes, it is my understanding about shielded action and shielded swap, because we can do staking from znam address

it also a shielded action

in the future we can trading the NFT by znam address

it is shielded action

🙂

[teal ingot]

Yeah that makes sense.

[random oriole]

https://hackmd.io/@hadesguard/building-shielded-app

there is no shielded action

[candid cargo]

so that mean any action using znam as the source should be call shielded action

[random oriole]

just an ibc transfer

[teal ingot]

If you trying to say, that shielded swap is the only way shielded action is right.

I'll defend myself till the end.
If necessary I'll make it right.

But, if you're using znam (shielded address) as part of transaction to interact or transact to another chain it's part shielded action

[teal ingot]

We use the term/command ibc gen shielded to generate memo there!!

[random oriole]

?

it doesnt matter

the definition of shielded action is quite clear

[random oriole]

.

[candid cargo]

hmm let the reviewer works, I dont want to talk about that too much, let spend your time with family. Have a nice weekend guys

[random oriole]

please read, it is not difficult to read 10 lines

there are hundreds of submissions that are rejected after being approved. people try to bend the rules and definitions to get their simple apps approved. it's funny

[teal ingot]

Honestly I did like to stop advocating my own ideas and ways to be done, but the point is, none get "yes" without a demo or a proper review from the reviewer. If that makes sense.

So it's best if we can stay peaceful and appreciate what i/ someone has done.

Well, have a good weekend ahead.

[random oriole]

so namada's CEO doesn't know what shielded action is, but you do 🤣

[alpine mural]

I agree that usual ibc transfer it's not shielded action

You devalue the work of those who created the actual apps

[twilit fog]

Lol =]] I think this CEO need to firee Spork 😄

Spork had make wrong decision 😄

[alpine mural]

Sheilded app - when you can send tokens from a shielded address and receive them back as previously stated.

If usual ibc transfer fits these criteria I would create a backend in 10 minutes for generate proof

[alpine mural]

Also after hermes update these applications will not bring any benefit ecosystem when proof will be generate on the relayer side

Useless apps

https://github.com/anoma/namada/pull/2631

Still not think that it a usual IBC transfer?

[twilit fog]

Still cry =]]

[random oriole]

good point

[twilit fog]

Hmm. I see some application wrap cli need to input mnemonic. I think these app will not help in mainnet. Nobody will input seed pharse.

[idle wharf]

It seems that many 'S class' have not been reviewed yet (the cells are blank). Does this mean they have not passed?

[lyric lagoon]

imo the term is ambiguous and there isn't one right answer here. is what I think is the most correct answer. (and yes I lean towards your view that scoring should be as exclusive as possible, but I think it's a stretch to say definitions are crystal clear here)

[fathom rose]

@median harbor @round goblet Good evening. We had conversations in DM and I don't know if I should write again, but just in case I am reminding

[finite dirge]

@median harbor please check DM before chain is down

[cyan cairn]

@median harbor

[charred tapir]

@median harbor @round goblet check my DM please need ur help 🙏

[foggy palm]

Time ended

Why wouldn't you do it earlier than epoch 91?

[idle bloom]

It's weekend. We all need rest.

Including team

[charred tapir]

bro

[earnest basalt]

what can i do for the comments "Possible Duplicate" in sheets cell?

[foggy palm]

Wait update 😂😂😂

[limber bay]

Hello, my submission for IBC channel creation rejected with reason bad format. I did not save the TX hash when created channel. Can you pls suggest how to find it? can you suggest explorer to look for the TX hash. Pls guide someone.

I found my IBC channel create Tx. Want to appeal, Pls suggest how to do.

[lyric lagoon]

mintscan

look at the format guidelines

[limber bay]

Yes bro, I show the format now. I am not able to submit again. How to do so. pls suggest/

[lyric lagoon]

idk wait for more info I guess

sunday today, I'm guessing everyone is enjoying their newly won free time 🙂

[limber bay]

absolutely.

[fathom rose]

You need just ibc tx hash, which you made using your channel, i think. Check your receiver address in mintscan

[exotic wraith]

Hi @median harbor Can you look at this case for me?

[foggy palm]

What matters is whether you submitted it or not? If it was considered a good idea but you didn't submit it, now you can't.

[limber bay]

yes bro I found the tx. not sure where to submit to appeal.

[fathom rose]

Just check other's submitts.

[remote fox]

@median harbor please check DM

[twilit fog]

Poor you

[limber bay]

cant submit S task, form is closed.

[fathom rose]

Bad news

[median harbor]

in general, the categories for submissions are going to be reviewed to make them more consistent, so for now don't sweat it too much and consider that part a work in progress

more to say on this later, but rn just want to check off the remaining submissions, today if possible... down to about 40 left only

[finite dirge]

thank u for your work

[random oriole]

🔥💛

[lavish latch]

@median harbor Regarding submission #2221. It was rejected as ios link didnt work. I have updated ios build link as it got expired. Submission even had source code repository. Please have a look.

[lapis lantern]

Thanks for your hard work

[charred tapir]

thanks 💪

[quaint oar]

@median harbor Hello Spork, can you check on my rpc? Why there is bad format? Everything works properly as I see and meet all the requirements. Thank you in advance.
rpc-namada-exp.ttyan-tyan.lol

[idle wharf]

Have you not applied for an HTTPS certificate?

[limber bay]

Hey Spork, I created IBC channel between SE and osmo-test-5. However, my entry at A2302 (entry 2301) was rejected with reason 'bad format' as I did not provided the Tx hash. Pls check the Tx and revise. https://www.mintscan.io/osmosis-testnet/tx/F76E50AA089657CA1232095E94BEFD175695AF1897039CBE461A905FFA32831C?height=6353081

my address tpknam1qqh46ekn3mwslm00226pjyc4qdwpuvredwgq04n5qunqcm3qk0psgmtnn7m

[loud osprey]

my S task submit on 24/03. but review result still pending

[quick python]

Do you mean requalifying previous submissions that were accepted, into other categories?
Like you got a Yes in a security and it becomes a building tool or something like that?

[solid willow]

it would total revamp of roids 😄

[quick python]

Feels like it, with no way to resubmit some category where you might have lost your spot

[solid willow]

chill and relax finally, the race is completed 🤓

[median harbor]

@here

down to the last half dozen submissions, which I should be able to finish tomorrow... apologies to anyone in my pings/dm's asking for rechecks that I haven't gotten back to yet.

There's a few I'm unable review yet due to missing info; if one of these submissions is yours, please dm me:

#2838 (Building Shielded Apps)
tpknam1qrq9x32kr46r3drz7830azdwww6ve0mj27kx6xexnlyy7pk7em4hjxy0a4h

• youtube video is private; and more evidence needed (eg code, demo app)

#2846 (Building Shielded Apps)
tpknam1qr9236k0every8fufge6qxf239gs3hyyng0ddtk3vrg7my6v5ntpsc0cz8y

• unable to view app; and would like a short summary or code

#3108 (Building Integrations/Tools)
tpknam1qpc4zj5z3h5swg9dynmkvc47ff2707afq5ct34jzf6kxtuwzvzayw7vmncw

• will be really helpful if you can provide an apk for testing

[foggy birch]

@median harbor apologies

[charred tapir]

thanks

[limber bay]

check dm pls

[true glade]

ah ok, I will provide an APK ASAP (#3108). (I'm traveling with my family, will be back to home asap)

[median harbor]

@here

there's a new page in the Google Sheet named 'WIP - results' which contains all completed reviews so far (for all valid submissions up to the cut off time)... it's a work in progress, and there will be changes coming, but in the meantime feel free to check it out and do a Ctrl+F and make sure everything looks ok with your submissions.

(and apologies to those of you who messaged me over the last few days and are still waiting for a reply from me)

[foggy birch]

@median harbor @here

I've reviewed the submissions and provided feedback in the Google Sheet. If you have any questions or concerns, please let me know.

(and no worries, I'll try to be more responsive in the future)

[lyric lagoon]

wasn't that the one you copied wholesale from someone else?

[foggy palm]

I remember correctly that the tele bot was copied code

[tulip pewter]

@median harbor
Hi, guys! I believe there's a high possibility that my contribution was reviewed when osmo-test-5 chain experienced halt thus the reviewer thought it's not functioning. I would appreciate it if you could review it again. As additional proof that the app is fully functional, here's the video demo: https://youtu.be/KEonasOmwH8?si=KwAizvXFSxwmhxpm
Have a blessed day ✌️

#3089 - tpknam1qr4585y6xuktgvtekfkqqv3dffsamw4tjzwjkrwj227j3gyg37p5s92l324

[tawdry latch]

imo, if you get caught cheating you should be disqualified completely

[strange smelt]

@median harbor

[lapis axle]

Why not.?

[lyric lagoon]

it's entirely fair, but maybe you can hope for some leniency/grace idk

[exotic wraith]

Hades who placed at top 2 at leaderboard so I think his task has got improvement is certainly true.
Please update my category soon as possible buddy. 😅

[true glade]

Hi @median harbor , I updated the Readme file to include the APK to install. Please check again. Thank for your understanding!
#3108 (Building Integrations/Tools) tpknam1qpc4zj5z3h5swg9dynmkvc47ff2707afq5ct34jzf6kxtuwzvzayw7vmncw

[flat kiln]

I wonder why two people can use the same submission and both get roidd, I can't believe it can be accepted 😂

If I have 2 accounts and I do that, then I only need to do 1 submission and submit for 2 accounts, I will have 2 slots in the top 100, I think I will do it in both crew and pilot. Once for the pilot and once for the crew. It's a perfect plan. I dont think it should be happened in the big project and big competition.

[idle bloom]

Team is still reviewing submissions. You can post what you find out and help them

[flat kiln]

I think team know it bro, I see it noted on the sheet

[idle bloom]

If it's marked, of course it will be reviewed again...

[flat kiln]

I think it must be considered that only 1 in 2 people are allowed to receive roidd

[idle bloom]

If I were to undertake this review task, I would first calculate all the qualifying scores, and then consider the issue of duplicate submissions. This is a straightforward strategy for eliminating redundancy.

[idle wharf]

Indeed, this is indeed too unfair. Why should a submission from an S class complete the tasks for both pilot and crew? This is extremely unfair to the other pilots and crew members. Such submissions should be invalidated.

I think we can keep the tasks that the pilot and crew do not want to overlap, and reject the overlapping tasks. This way, it is fair to everyone to a certain extent.

I think we should cancel the S class task submissions from members who are registered both as pilots and as crew (or cut their S class ROIDD in half). This is because their one S class completion covers both pilot and crew tasks, which is extremely unfair to the other pilots and crew.

[blissful oar]

@median harbor Hey Spork! Please check out my DMs

[agile ingot]

The energy they put in doing both pilot and crew at the sane time shouldn't go to waste. There was no rule against that. You could have done it too. For me if they come out top 100 for both crew and pilot. I think they deserve it. I'm not in that category but they do deserve it.

[lyric lagoon]

in fact it was explicitly allowed and stated multiple times as within the rules. thanks, Favour

[lyric lagoon]

this is not true sir. they are different submissions, different tasks and different works.

[pine lantern]

Please exclude such submissions that forked the same repository code for deployment when calculating scores, it's unfair to the people who actually put effort into writing the block browser if they also get ROIDS. #1220430590315204660 message

[cyan cairn]

I totally agree. Because it will be unfair to the people who created the original work.

[idle wharf]

For details, please refer to the article at 'https: //namada.net/blog/the-namada-shielded-expedition' under the section 'In this expedition into the shielded ecosystem, you can join as a pilot (validator), or as a crew member (user)

Therefore, being both a crew and a pilot is a violation of the rules.

[idle wharf]

A significant part of the S class is overlapping.

[idle wharf]

I'm not denying their efforts, but getting double the rewards for one effort is clearly unreasonable.

[lyric lagoon]

then that's the issue that needs addressing

however, most are actually distinct submissions

[lyric lagoon]

honestly this is just another slander. I spent double time on making cool stuff and have been rewarded in both classes so far. I can guarantee you it was not just one effort

[idle wharf]

Yes, you can see from my statement that I am only saying we should address the overlapping parts. The non-overlapping areas indeed involve the same effort.

[lyric lagoon]

I have no issues with cleaning up if there are any double submissions

My impression is reviewers have been quite aware of the issue though (for my submissions i've sought clarification from reviewers before submitting)

[foggy palm]

It seems to me that there are some duplicate monikers between pilot and crew, maybe it's just 1 person?

[lyric lagoon]

some of us are competing in both classes yes. it's a longstanding discussion in the discord if you look back on history..

see more extensive comments in #🫂︱se-community-support

[foggy palm]

And I also see your moniker between pilot and crew

[lyric lagoon]

yes. again, as has been discussed extensively before. mrpaopao knows it's not against the rules. that being said, because so many have objected it is brought to team's consideration, and it's part of a list they will consider at some point

but because this was started in two channels atm, there is more comment over in community-support..

[foggy palm]

Ok, I understand but this might be something for the team to consider. There are a lot of people doing that now

Most of us wouldn't be able to accept that

[lyric lagoon]

my dude, it was explicitly allowed and confirmed allowed by team before and during the competition

so while I understand people are asking for it to be reconsidered and I suppose that's fair even if not my favorite thing, painting it as if we did something wrong is a bit of a stretch

and to be perfectly honest I feel it's really shitty for people to start this so far into the thing, but I can't really stop that.

(there are quite a few who chose to use different monikers between crew and pilot btw, those of us who chose to be transparent are somehow taking the brunt)

[foggy palm]

I have yet to see confirmation of it from the core team, if it is confirmed please cite it for me. Thank you

Currently I am keeping the duplicate file edited by me

[lyric lagoon]

it's been confirmed by spork several times during the competition. in advance of the competition, it was confirmed by moderators when we asked. I can link you those former interchanges if you want?

[foggy palm]

Ok, bro. Please send it, maybe I missed that.

[candid cargo]

please guys it already discussed many times before. It is not the same case with pretoro

[lyric lagoon]

and yet it keeps being discussed...

[candid cargo]

let’s team make a final decision, but for the case two participants can use the same submission and both get roidd completely unfair

[lyric lagoon]

can I send you a dm so we don't clutter up the chat with this further?

[lyric lagoon]

of course

but is that a thing?

[candid cargo]

the fomula should be changed like the total roidd/total passed submission

[foggy palm]

Those are discussions and it has not been verified from the core team, but what we need is a confirmation post from the core team. Because we also need to know about it by a post instead of having to search for discussions about it.

@lyric lagoon

[idle wharf]

agree,In fact, I haven't seen any announcements regarding this matter. If someone has seen it, please post it.

[idle wharf]

I think you can definitely post it, because I believe there are many people like me who haven't seen it. Moreover, I just searched for announcements on this matter, but I still couldn't find any.

[lyric lagoon]

I think you guys are being really shitty about this again, but yes, I will find what I have on this and post it here for the nth time

it's me

and yes I'm just one person

unlike some other accounts (but that's allowed too btw)

[foggy palm]

Hey guys. We'll stop talking about that here. And wait for that confirmation from core team

[twilit fog]

Anw wait for team. 🙂

[lyric lagoon]

well you are just a gem

[idle wharf]

Yes, for you, violating your interests is terrible.

[lyric lagoon]

it's not about that

[idle wharf]

In fact, just looking at the public key is enough.

[lapis lantern]

as I know participants with the same public address for crew and pilot only could participate in pilot category and they banned from participating in both.

[lyric lagoon]

you can't tell from the pubkeys, they are by definition distinct

[lyric lagoon]

correct

some community we have here

[lone trench]

@median harbor Can u check dm?

[lapis lantern]

@median harbor do we have any update of security email submmissions?

[idle wharf]

I hope Spork can re-evaluate 3076 and 3077, because obviously, two people cannot complete one task. If such is allowed, then 1000 people could complete one task, and moreover, this is just a faucet, it shouldn't be classified under Building Shielded Applications.

It's completely absurd that two people collaborated on a faucet and both received points, and they even submitted it as Building Shielded Applications.

[lapis lantern]

I'm pretty sure he will consider this it's unacceptable imho

[wanton thunder]

@median harbor Nr 670 in the WIP - results sheet has an https url instead of a tpknam1 address in column D! Might be very unfortunate for that person since it is eligible!

475, 479 and 483 also have tnam addresses instead of public addresses!

[foggy palm]

The http://ip_address addresses should be reviewed and removed. I think it's a mass spam flag

[flat kiln]

hmm the collab is not matter bro, but it should be count as one submission instead two.

[round goblet]

@idle wharf fyi #📣-se-announcements message

i also have not found the issue sufficiently clarified, regarding one playing as both Pilot and Crew. also i think it's pretty lame to find this out after registration ends. but my understanding is that one player can play as a Pilot while also playing as a Crew Member. we have also put it here to make extra sure with the Anoma Foundation: https://hackmd.io/@gaving/SkfYu80a6

[idle wharf]

Thank you for your reply. I believe there will be a good solution. By the way, is it allowed for two people to submit one task (both people receive scores through one S class)?

[lone trench]

@median harbor DM pls

[shell briar]

Every community member participating in the competition is putting in great effort. Don't they deserve a reward?😂

[twilit cape]

I've developed a fully automated CLI Application for conducting Shielded transactions, including Shielded IBC, from any Linux server.
The CLI app/script is fully automated, featuring proof creation, entering memo and installing the necessary binaries/deps among other capabilities.

The user simply needs to run it on any Linux server, select the direction of the shielded IBC transfer and pick wallets/amount to execute the Shielded IBC transaction. After preliminary review, a restriction was noted in the table, but I think this also applies to Create an application on another device/platform supporting a shielded action on an IBC chain since Linux is also a platform and this Bash script is quite complicated it can technically be considered as an Comand-Line-Interface app.

Could you please take another look. If this is not applicable, could we make some changes, such as improving the visual interface to make it acceptable? We believe we've made a good product that significantly improves UX so it's a shame it didn't pass..

on WIP-results
tpknam1qrlu4t3y8s632eq4jzhdxkt3jahcgf2wkg466ck43jscfd380x5w7tm3dhq

[agile ingot]

At least it was stated top 100. Whatever you think you deserve for your effort I think its in heaven if you don't end up in top 100.

[foggy palm]

Hey bro, I think your thinking is not correct, we participate in the contest with fairness, for example, if 100 people are on the same team, won't 100 addresses receive points for the same task? Is that unreasonable?

[foggy palm]

I think you should participate in many competitions to realize this, put in the effort and you will think correctly.

[agile ingot]

His topic is different. He's just not comfortable with tge top 100 reward. He fill everyone efforts should be rewarded

[foggy palm]

Ok, I think beyond 100 there is still an incentive

[agile ingot]

I did namada to my limit. I broke down doing. All the effort doesn't matter if I don't come top 100. I'll just accept my fate

[agile ingot]

I don't want to give myself that hope. Lol I'll just work with I'm seeing 😂

[hexed kiln]

Looks like a valid and usefull shielded app to me. I didn't find any definition of a shielded app and that it has to include atomic shielded actions. Updated guiidlines for the shielded app #📣-se-announcements message confirms that. Allowing user to conveniently shield, unshield his assets accross supported chains and giving freedom to do any required transactions in the transparent world ( not limiting it to only one swap ) before returning to shielded realm - means allowing to perform a unstructured and multistep shielded action in my understanding. If that's not the case, people who invested their time and effort to build and submit similar apps should have an opportunity to adjust their logic to this standard. Adding some transaction between 2 shielded ibcs shouln't be an issue after all.

[exotic wraith]

@median harbor are you there

[twilit cape]

@round goblet @median harbor sorry for tag you.
Please could you check again, the task was to create an application on another device/platform supporting a shielded action on an IBC chain. However, my app was not accepted into this category, and I would like to clarify this point, as Linux is also a platform, and it was not specified anywhere that Linux could not be used. If the question is whether a program written in bash is an application, then it seems to me that a CLI application is also an application. For example https://github.com/agarrharr/awesome-cli-apps and this announcment #📣-se-announcements message
If we look at the context of privacy, it is more confidential to use your own Linux server, for instance. I would like to hear your opinion. If this is not applicable, could we make some changes, such as improving the visual interface to make it acceptable? We believe we've made a good product that significantly improves UX, so it's a shame it didn't pass

[lyric lagoon]

hey bro, we participate in fairness too

[lyric lagoon]

I'm not sure I see how a cli/bash script meets the requirements. (I have no strong opinions on this, and more power to you if you get points for it, it's just my two cents)

[foggy palm]

No. To be fair, why do you use 2 accounts to compete for both pilot and crew?

If you think it's fair, can I bring 100 crew and pilot accounts to get all the points?

I have completed all the tasks except task S5, if I knew this problem I could have brought more than 100 accounts from my team to compete with you. So let's wait for anoma's announcement about whether it‘s fair or not.

[hexed kiln]

from this announcment #📣-se-announcements message I understood it is allowed to submit cli apps if they provide smoother ux than the default cli.

[lyric lagoon]

because we asked in advance (in the chats, the posts are still there), and were told by moderators several times it was not a problem. how would you feel if you did exactly what was told was ok and gave everything you had into a competition, but somehow people start saying you competed unfairly etc?

and no of course you can't bring multiples of other accounts. that's something entirely different. this is a matter of competing in each class with a single account in each. (transparently I might add). Now it's also been clarified by latest announcement that it's indeed within the understanding of team this was allowed. So not sure why you keep framing this as if it's cheating.

in any case this isn't the place for this, there's a dedicated thread to discuss this now.. #1230547749603377273

[lyric lagoon]

true. I guess it's a matter of definition what a CLI app is. again I don't really have any strong opinions on this..

[idle wharf]

In fact, I believe that allowing either crew or pilot to receive a reward would be the fairest solution (and those who have registered for both roles already have a certain advantage. I registered as a crew member, but after the competition started, I wanted to switch to being a pilot to participate, but this was not possible. Those who are dual-registered have more options than most people who only registered with one identity).

[lyric lagoon]

I don't agree but I can respect the opinion. 🤝 In any case I don't think we should continue discussing this, but refer to the announcement made yesterday and at least keep it in that thread as requested.

[idle wharf]

This proposal is still pending, so there is a need for discussion. Of course, you can keep your own opinion, and there is no need for everyone to try to persuade each other.

[lyric lagoon]

at least keep it in the right thread?

[shell briar]

If one can compete simultaneously as a pilot and a crew member, why are there two separate leaderboards for competition? I don't understand this practice. I noted yesterday's announcement explanation, but I reserve my opinion.

[lyric lagoon]

brother, there is a dedicated thread for this.. can we please stop cluttering this one too?

[lapis lantern]

@median harbor Any update for security email submissions?

[fathom rose]

@median harbor can you check dm, please?

[pine lantern]

@median harbor @round goblet Keep an eye on this, pls. #1220430590315204660 message

[median harbor]

afraid not, it will be after the weekend until we're able to reach our contact at heliax. if there's a way we can help them speed along we'll offer to do so when we speak with them

[tulip pewter]

@median harbor @round goblet didn't receive any upd on my request. if you need any help on my side (e.g. live demo) - lmk

[agile ingot]

This means we are not expecting final results on 22nd?

[foggy palm]

@median harbor Still in the process of grading task S, right sir?

[lapis axle]

Mebe next halving 😶

[agile ingot]

😂😂😂😂

[lyric lagoon]

most definitely

that date was marked as earliest in announce though

[glass geyser]

Hi @median harbor. We have submitted S-class task in "Building Namada ecosystem integrations and tooling" subclass (https://wiki.f5nodes.com/namada), but it was assigned to "Operating Namada Infrastructure as a service". I think there was some confusion with the categorization, as our submission is focused on building an open-source Namada Wiki platform with its own GitHub repository: https://github.com/f5nodes/wiki/tree/main/docs/namada.

Could you please take a look? Thanks.

[lapis axle]

this add only did 3 s class task rpc,ibc,tooling and sitting g on #8 on crew tpknam1qzf6nmhvrfu68308nr4w3t7ksjlt4jmufk7m9x70567698jj2yu7vf45f2p #9 tpknam1qp6zlsn9jef90egyvffms6rahcvmczl472m58yece85jdaw9qfuk734yzxc

🧐

[quaint oar]

Hello hope you are doing fine! @median harbor
I'm writing one more time to know what's bad about my rpc? Everything works and meets all the requirements, can you recheck it please?
rpc-namada-exp.ttyan-tyan.lol

[lapis lantern]

Maybe a hidden A task @lapis axle

[lapis axle]

now im really curious what is this hidden task that i didnt done

[lapis lantern]

How he did unjail validator@lapis axle

[lapis axle]

wdm.?

[lapis lantern]

In extended nebb I noticed that he did unjail validator but for crew member I think it is impossibe or at least has no point

[lapis axle]

yes

[lapis axle]

check this add too tpknam1qp6zlsn9jef90egyvffms6rahcvmczl472m58yece85jdaw9qfuk734yzxc

i see only transfer and claim transection

[lapis lantern]

People who were pilot too. could do it using their pilot account and using their crew's pk as memo

Maybe

[lapis axle]

but the crw member can also be validator

[lapis lantern]

The problem was it was impossible to be jailed then unjail

I don't know

[lapis axle]

I think team should to make clarification on some things

And now i really want to know what the heck is thi A class

[lapis lantern]

Good idea

To know the tasks now

[lapis axle]

Yes cause i know i did every type of transection proposals

Become steward then resign from the steward

[lapis lantern]

Did you try 3 different kinds of proposals

[lapis axle]

Yes

Pgf, funding, default

[lapis lantern]

Are you in top 100

[lapis axle]

Nah

[lapis lantern]

How many s tasks did you do

[lyric lagoon]

s-class isn't all that counts

[lapis axle]

Yeah i know but if the are there for the a class then what is this a class that I didn't done

[lyric lagoon]

just wait...

[lapis axle]

Approved in 4 s s class tadk

Building protocol, tooling,ibc,rpc

And still security vulnerabilities task os not checked

[lyric lagoon]

how on earth did you get building protocol?

[lapis lantern]

Building protocol has not been count probably and the others may not be updated if they submitted after 29March

[lapis axle]

Yes my last 2 task roids are not added

[lapis axle]

And why buliding protocol has not been count

[lapis lantern]

Ok so no need to be worry

[lapis axle]

Need to worry about a class task

[lapis lantern]

They would consider higher threshold and probably all building protocols will be rejected as I know

[lapis axle]

What 😧

Whare they said this

[lapis lantern]

#1230547749603377273 message

[lapis axle]

I see that there is no final conclusion for building protocol task

[agile ingot]

I'm a crew but I created validator it was jailed after some time. Then I unjailed

[agile ingot]

This update isn't the final right?

[lapis lantern]

No one knows!

[lyric lagoon]

there is no update, officially

so that would be a big fat no imo

[lapis lantern]

But I thinks it's final for A and C tasks

[foggy palm]

NEBB is broken after March 29, and tasks after March 29 will not be updated

[agile ingot]

This is for S class. I think C and A class has updated

[strange smelt]

Please, check 2201. fell into the wrong category. this is block explorer. tpknam1qqk90mhxe64lguv5v7ts4z5mtyu5jz7qlxwl8m8gmvdgfauv0qdacw6w9uc @median harbor

[quaint oar]

@median harbor Recheck it please
tpknam1qrr55llt433lzl269qwtff3tsh44zc9s23sgqqagc5rsqweyc5rk7r5h95a
rpc-namada-exp.ttyan-tyan.lol
There is no bad format. So everything should be fine.

[idle bloom]

It's rpc..

[tawdry latch]

#2201 (line 2202 in googledoc) is a block explorer, seems its in the wrong category as he said. Doesnt look like one of those blatant copy/paste explorer either

[idle bloom]

When I checked it, it was rpc...But now it shows pages.

[tawdry latch]

ok weird

[lyric lagoon]

has it been changed in the meantime?

[idle bloom]

I only know that at the time I checked it, It indeed was RPC page.

Also certificate was not working.

[idle wharf]

It seems that it is inaccessible now.

Alright, it is accessible, indeed it's a explore, but it's stuck on a block from a month ago (177586).

[lavish latch]

When will this pain end?

[lyric lagoon]

hey migo

[burnt panther]

Everyday minute I check nebb, I check namada discord to see final result. The pain of waiting

[fathom rose]

@median harbor can you check dm please

[tulip pewter]

have you checked it out guys? it's been a week and I still didn't receive any feedback :/

[twilit cape]

@median harbor Please check dm 🙏

[lapis axle]

@median harbor hey please check #521 in crew results I in privious batches it was approved. didn't copy that i design on my own please check again if you want i can provide the whole code.

[idle bloom]

“i design the whole on my own”？

come on...

[lapis axle]

yes i desigh pages,layout,home

[idle bloom]

😂 not the whole now?

First your explorer were reported by labisque. Then you just changed the styles...

[lapis axle]

lol check again its not about only style

what does public rpc and indexer mean

[idle bloom]

...

[lapis axle]

i see lots of simmler explorer thet got yes

[idle bloom]

You can point it out and let the team know, but I think that's a separate issue from you getting approved.

btw, lots have been changed to No. I think.

but still some

[lapis axle]

what about those who get roids before

[foggy palm]

Is the Bigbull account yours? I see you are protecting this account from storms. And you are the owner of both BlackOreo and Bigbull on Crew?

[idle bloom]

😂

[twilit fog]

Copier need got ban

[lapis lantern]

as I see in crew results only two people did "funding security" or "building protocol" right? and they would be top 1 and top2?

[idle bloom]

I think at least one of these needs to be reviewed again because clearly it was generated by GPT.

[lapis lantern]

Which one?

[idle bloom]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTFLrWZpzzoprGwmse6XyGXbz_Nc3ca6jUYovpA8iid4_6mMDWfwMFHcu_qcI0Ux6mVjsOe8Iitc2fA/pub

[lapis lantern]

how do you guess it is generated using chatGPT?

[idle bloom]

If you ever used gpt, there are lots of trace.

If it's a method he came up with himself and the method is feasible, then using GPT to assist in generation is fine. However, I can't tell if it's feasible or not; it needs to be reviewed by the core team.

[lapis lantern]

maybe we can guess the prompt and use it to get same answer. 😄

[foggy palm]

Omg 🤪

[foggy palm]

After looking at it, it was probably compiled by chatGPT. From the sentences it really isn't the gray matter of a normal individual

[foggy palm]

In terms of experience and logic built from the content of the problem mentioned here, it is at the senior or master level. But judging by this person's submissions on S tasks other than Building Protocol task, I'm afraid that's not the case. It's really lame.

So I think an assessment from the core team is needed. Because currently I only see this 1 individual being given a “yes” for the Building Protocol mission

[lapis axle]

There two submission with same taks in pilot category got yes

What about those two

[wanton thunder]

😂 #1230547749603377273 message

Read last part lol, kinda predicted this

[foggy palm]

Sorry dude, I said it on the Crew sheet, not Pilot

[foggy palm]

I honestly don't know what else to say.

[lapis axle]

Then show some love on pilot category too

[wanton thunder]

Yeah though I wouldn't say that they are just gpt generated. It's just that I find it funny that it actually went in that direction. Where a write up had more chance of being accepted than an implementation.

[lapis axle]

Still chatgpt is jot sufficient to perform the whole task

Its still lag in understanding as AI

[wanton thunder]

I've used gpt for this nft project I was working on and let it generate a bunch of text (stories for characters, not code). I kinda know what words gpt uses a lot. Gpt tends to make things sound greater than they are. Uses a lot of adjectives or adverbs to strengthen words or sentences like it's trying to sell something.

But that's in it's default setting.

[lapis axle]

Mebe davin can do better then this 😅

[wanton thunder]

There are also key words that remind one of it.

But yeah, even though, chat gpt in the coding space for instance is being utilized a lot. It's just how you make use of it. If you know how to code something exactly and just need something written quickly for a starting point it can really save one time to describe it in detail rather than coding the logic.

But yeah there's a big difference. Gpt is great at being used in a supportive role.

You can use it in its entirety but most of the time it's terrible and 9 out of 10 times wrong. Unless you're a pro at prompting. But that usually means you already know how to code.

(I speak more so of coding here, not generating ideas or text)

You know what I like to do with gpt btw. Giving it a piece of text I wrote and asking it to give a single line summary. I'm usually so bad at describing something in short. (for instance when commenting the functions I wrote)

But yeah I digress man 😅.

[flat kiln]

I thought s5 must have an implementation instead of just text🤔

[lapis axle]

#1230547749603377273 message

Read properly

[flat kiln]

thanks for clearify but good bye my bro 🥹

[hollow junco]

Hi @median harbor

My solution involves saving the latest block shielded sync, allowing users to seamlessly continue their sync process without fetching blocks from the beginning each time. This approach significantly reduces the time required for synchronization. Mateuszjasiuk has reviewed it, and he has confirmed that my contribution is effective and operational. I believe My submission is fully qualified for approving "Building protocol and cryptography improvement". Thank you!

MY PR : https://github.com/anoma/namada-interface/pull/716

[pine lantern]

It's a bit curious that some people who only completed rpc and ibc tasks are ranked at 30+ while others who completed rpc, explorer, ibc are ranked at 80+.😯

[lapis axle]

Mebe due to A class

[pine lantern]

If that's the case, I'd like to see evidence of it at Crew Results. 🧐

[cyan cairn]

yes I wonder this too

[pine lantern]

@median harbor And again, this copying explorer issue, those who closed explorer seem to have escaped review. Because their review result is still Yes. 😂 #1220430590315204660 message

[twilit fog]

#1230547749603377273 message

[lapis axle]

Yeah team said they will publish the raw data.

[cunning meteor]

We all be replaced by an IA at some point, maybe it the beginning of it, IA will win Namada

[foggy palm]

IA or AI bro?

[wanton thunder]

I think IA is the French order for the wordss. The adjective artificial is said after the noun intelligence.

If I'm not mistakenn

[lyric lagoon]

that would be my guess too

[tardy minnow]

@round goblet check my DM please

[idle bloom]

weekend for them

[tardy minnow]

ok sorry)

[idle bloom]

You can dm them later

[hollow junco]

@median harbor Sir pls check my DM

[cunning meteor]

ahah sorry I'm french in 🇫🇷 it's IA in 🇺🇸 it's AI i make the mistake all day long

[tardy minnow]

@round goblet check my DM please

[cyan cairn]

@median harbor please check dm when u avaible . important. thank u

[foggy palm]

10 nam/dm