Batch D of S-Class Submissions - comments/questions

[pseudo ore]

@paper scarab
It is so funny to check the tasks, take for example the number in the table 479 it says that it gives an error, I send the same task (my number 454 tpknam1qzk6u8wh6qhqc7j9etxdlz9wqczyh2vsm44hgs6dphed3vp0uk2tvl8lcm5) and I cancel it, although I listed the same vulnerabilities, it is unfair!

and there are many of them, which indicate just bugs, not vulnerabilities, from number 472 to 483!)

[daring saddle]

The description for #474 says 'UX issue, but nothing more.' but approved.

And there are 2-3 submissions here that were approved as 'security vulnerability' despite being 'Minor UX issue. Wouldn't it be fairer if you at least put them in different categories?

And you can post the emails detailing the vulnerabilities so that people can see the details. My report is there (#475) and it was approved, but I think the emails should also be published publicly so that people don't have any questions

thank you for your efforts
@agile arch
💛 🖤

[pseudo ore]

If they counted them for bugs, why did they cancel my comments, I have far more of them detected than anyone else!

@agile arch

If UX remarks count as "Finding security vulnerabilities", why was my application (454) canceled?

[thin junco]

When will the points in the leaderboard be updated based on this table?

[jovial mountain]

And when other S class submissions will be added to table?

[pseudo ore]

I also sent the task with IBC could you check if my tpknam1qzk6u8wh6qhqc7j9etxdlz9wqczyh2vsm44hgs6dphed3vp0uk2tvl8lcm5 ?
@agile arch

[fallow oasis]

S taks only added till 23 , rest pending I guess

[thin junco]

472 Finding security vulnerabilities Faucet draining Eligible for ROIDS? Yes is this a joke?

[jovial mountain]

why you think this is a joke? I think it deserves to be eligible for Roids. IF he drained faucet that was provided by team, it is definitely a YES

[daring saddle]

there won't be a faucet on the mainnet 😄

[dusty minnow]

Namada will have both mainnet and testnet running side by side . so a faucet will be there also in mainnet/testnet

[jovial mountain]

it was part of tasks

[thin junco]

hahaha very funny

[daring saddle]

okey got it

makes sense

[runic gust]

476 is duplicate of 154. the first one is rejected, but new one accepted

It was a known issue since i joined namada discord 😬 didn't know that you can earn ROIDs for this category with this kinds of UX bugs

[pseudo ore]

need your help.)
@agile arch

It was previously written that UX and bugs don't count as Finding security vulnerabilities but numbers 474, 473 and others are accepted, why?

[daring saddle]

stop it please

[pseudo ore]

why?

[daring saddle]

he will reply when he is available, just write a message once

[thin junco]

It's silly compared to the vulnerabilities found in the protocol. it's not worthy of points, perhaps minimal points.

[daring saddle]

I've never seen spork ignore messages

[runic gust]

be patient please, you have already complained about it 10 times in 5 mintues. let them read your messages

[pseudo ore]

well, it just might get lost in your discussion)

that went in the wrong direction)

[zinc belfry]

@paper scarab
I've been submitting some S class assignments to discord =#1210649213499871243 message
I also submitted them through the website right after the announcement = #1210649213499871243 message

but there's still nothing in the spreadsheet...

[unique whale]

so the last date was 23feb except security vulnerabilty task

and i submitted mine s class task at 24feb

submmited rpc,ibc,explorer task

looks like i need to wait some more to see myself in the spreedsheet

[fallen solstice]

me too. we need to wait for next batch

[reef pine]

hmm, I have submitted the completed tasks for creating IBC channels Namada <-> Osmosis and Namada <-> Celestia, but they are still not in the table 😢

[unique whale]

At which date.?

[reef pine]

I have filled out the forms twice already, on February 20th and ~ February 26th

[unique whale]

Feb 20th.

Then you should to ask admin

[reef pine]

I have asked @agile arch already

[unique whale]

What did he said.?

[earnest quiver]

zkirito46 has been warned

Reason: Posted a link

[rapid gale]

#439 + #469 they just add RPC and not give effor to build the page and got approved ?
https ://dexplorer.space/
how that fair to ppl spend weeks/months to code ?

[paper scarab]

Batch D of S-Class Submissions - comments/questions

[paper scarab]

pls tag @agile arch (not me)

[paper scarab]

they've already been updated to the Nebb

[paper scarab]

pls tag @agile arch

[paper scarab]

you're tagging the wrong person, this is @agile arch's role

[daring saddle]

okey, thanks Gavin 💛

[zinc belfry]

thx, sorry

@agile arch 👉 #1214161772714532945 message
check pls

[thin junco]

my points haven't been updated. localhost validator.

[pseudo ore]

yeah, sorry

[royal mango]

I can't find my rpc submission on the list and I submitted both manually and later using incognito mode, seems the mode doesn't send the report in real sense but instead just display sent. I've submit my s task since 24th but they re not on the sheet.

[mint geyser]

I am among the first 60 people in this excel. I think the scores of the first 120 people have been updated. Could my s class submit have been overlooked?

[valid robin]

If you look carefully at the table, it shows submitted tasks dated at the latest on the 23rd. If you submitted your assignment on the 24th, then it will appear in the table with the next batch

[vale glade]

the same with me haha

[vale glade]

it will appear in the next batch.

[wheat viper]

@agile arch hello, I'm running a full node with snapshot, rpc for both nodes (full and val).
submitted before 23rd and again after.
do not find anything about it in the sheet. please check. thanks

[paper scarab]

@here #📣-se-announcements message

i was wrong, Nebb is manually updated after each batch is released

[daring saddle]

according to this announcement, I should have about 6-7 billion points

but i have 1B

I guess we'll have to wait a while longer

[waxen halo]

i think i'm missing some s tasks, at least if i search by pukey

should i resubmit using the form?

[paper scarab]

pls let Spork know all things, no replies (including "sorry" 😂 ) or @ing me pls

[near yew]

What you do to get that

[analog coral]

my rank also remained in place

[analog coral]

therefore, yes, something is happening with the leaderboard and it shows incorrect info

[near yew]

Why do I feel like the nebb is way behind

Both for class A and C tasks

[agile arch]

if you have your public key i can check

[austere cairn]

"this means that anything in the latest batch of the spreadsheet is already in the Nebb" tbh I dont think it's true either, otherwise top1 and top2 would share some roids for "vulnerability issues" task with other guys

[agile arch]

yes please do

[analog coral]

true

[wheat viper]

Should I resubmit? @agile arch

[viscid raven]

@agile arch I don't see my submission on 24th.
tpknam1qqm2cd40luwxhpaath4f9nf38d8f8rhy47jl25nn03gtlw4cpjkezjl85ud

[agile arch]

i see it on the next batch
looks like we didn't finish all of Feb 24th in this batch

[wheat viper]

tpknam1qpwzqyhlm93rqgt5swj4j2yaf2xxlx274dw9f35nheuaxlehr5d9q495yrl

[austere cairn]

@agile arch 395 line in the spreadsheet (my submission) is assigned to a wrong category 🙂

[agile arch]

submission is there and looks good, it's Feb 28 so it may be a couple batches before it shows up though

[pseudo ore]

Hi, look, I submitted a job, in the table it is number 454 (my tpknam1qzk6u8wh6qhqc7j9etxdlz9wqczyh2vsm44hgs6dphed3vp0uk2tvl8lcm5), but I canceled it, and if you consider 472-483 jobs, there are similar jobs with UX and bugs accepted, what is wrong)?

and I sent a job with ibc, but it's not in the table, I sent it on like the 23rd or 24th.

[agile arch]

yep! thanks, corrected now

[austere cairn]

It was fast, appreciate it 🙂

[honest spire]

hi send u dm , submissions not included in a spreadsheet again🙂

[agile arch]

i realize a few people (including you) have raised questions about the ux bugs in the security submissions... i can appreciate where you're coming from but they were eval'd by heliax and i'm not in a position to change them. if i had to guess the rationale, i think it's because some ux issues (like the account threshold) can allow someone to lock themselves out of their account, so they're seen as more serious and that was enough to (just barely) get them over the bar to qualify.

please also note we don't really have a category for 'general bugs' vs 'security bugs' so we kind of have to fit it into one of the existing categories

[pseudo ore]

So my errors do fit under General Errors, who can I write to to review them again?

because I don't agree that my comments are inferior to the ones already checked in the table and they will be given points and I won't...

Okay, I'll create an issue then, will that be enough?

[mint geyser]

can u check please when u avaible ? thank u so much @agile arch tpknam1qrue8uzgckzvvq9kuxt8eavxrvpr52mp8m53cnmj6qzxwrhmrpj6vrvg3c6

[pseudo ore]

you can also check my assignment with ibc, I submitted it but it's not in the table for some reason.....
@agile arch

[spring forge]

hmm i think i have 3 submission but not showing in the docs @agile arch

submission on 26 Feb

tpknam1qzxsp2erh98jf0hhyynlss7rgcgzrskty3ahh0x8da04zum79h5uggvwwq4

[agile arch]

i can't promise you a different result one way or the other but you're welcome to resubmit

[agile arch]

found it, upcoming Feb 25

[austere cairn]

@agile arch and anyone other interested here is the link to a json file with users who are eligible for ROIDS multiple times in the same subclass, it's fresh, with latest updates. AFAIK it does not matter if in the spreadsheet a user is eligible multiple times in the same subclass, it should still allocate ROIDS only once, Correct me if I am wrong. Here is the link to a fresh file:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xtBINFp2mBGM6XumnFZdFYN_tJ6I38nn/view?usp=sharing
But still it would be better to clean up those, so we keep it transparent and correct as it meant to be.
edit: I have free time can adjust a script a bit, so it will mark users as not eligible automatically, and leave a mark "done by script" (or something similar)

[agile arch]

i think i need to dm you about some details for this one, can you check dm's when you have a moment?

[rugged citrus]

I resubmitted my tasks again but still don’t see them in the spreadsheet :/ what should I do?

[agile arch]

they're in the queue, will be in an upcoming batch

[pseudo ore]

Got it, I'll send it again then.
but still, who can I write to for further consideration?

[agile arch]

going to move this conversation to dm's, one moment

[agile arch]

is it after Feb 23? probably in an upcoming batch, please note the security submissions (light purple) are out of order of dates because they were reviewed separately

[spring forge]

thanks for your update

[analog coral]

what about the fact that the leaderboard has not been updated according to Bach B, I have the same number of roids left

[agile arch]

can i get a tldr of the issues people are having with the nebb scoreboard with respect to s-class submissions only... is it that points are out of date, or not calculated correctly, or both?

for reference, the backend db was updated with s-class submissions as of a few hours ago, so if there's an issue it's in how the front end is displaying things

but this would help me a lot with bringing it up with the team

[austere cairn]

I guess that the board is outdated, my points have not changed since Friday at least. Top 3 users in the pilots board are a sign to me that the board is not updated, because they have shared pool of some very unique S class submissions (vulnerability staff) and their points have not changed since last update in the spreadsheet.

[echo wharf]

@agile arch I guess my tasks were submitted after Fe 24th so will be included in the next batch right?

[vale glade]

I can not go the next page on Nebb, it is just reload the first page.

[austere cairn]

It is buggy, but sometimes works

[austere cairn]

1. Crouton digital completed: Building protocol and cryptography improvements (he is the only one) AND Finding security vulnerability (tpknam1qqjzwxrku9pv8vtz0x2y578ytj58cwc55ughh7qlj3rwekye2lz2y30dua2)
2. Citadel ~~completed ~~has not completed something very unique, but I remember #165 submission was assigned to the Building protocol and cryptography improvements before, as I was curious how many people completed some rare staff, but he is still very high in the nebb, which is a sign the board is outdated. (tpknam1qzrpa8ja8pzshx7d99xjngzwcxy9e3cyfp7n7pmugnh3tjkul73pj0eu26h)
3. Validatorade completed Finding security vulnerability. (tpknam1qpayc0rxtuulknrvygcwvlhehuw2tvmxhvhxmjm8s43hxj3vdxjlv62jzcq)

Doing some simple Math: each subclass has a pool of 62B ROIDS.
Crouton: got 31 for Building protocol and cryptography improvements AND 31 for Finding security vulnerability and in total with other tasks he has 68B now.

Citadel: (if I am not mistaken that #165 was counted as a Building protocol and cryptography improvements) got 31B for that (sharing it with Crouton) and now has 39B Roids in total

Validatorade: got 31B ROIDS for Finding security vulnerability (shared it with Crouton) and has 36B in total.

@agile arch let me know if it makes sesnse to you

[tardy sorrel]

Based on the latest spreadsheet update, my task from February 23rd (tpknam1qqugy0cu8q6fgfnsp2yla6t699a50cv6ydwqe9nggcuz35d7kuxey9fwkrx) has been credited, but I don't see any changes in my ROIDS in NEBB. Is this a display issue due to the frontend?

[nimble perch]

@agile arch I have carried out and sent the s-class assignment OPERATING Ibc/Interoperability Infrastructure - Operate A Se Compatible Osmosis Testnet Relayer in the last week of February, please check back with this address tpknam1qr0wzjl3hv2zhc0r8u3g0zqtnknpx4sd4e6fjxccw6rdcwzckpstqwj60gk

[analog coral]

have the same problem 🙂

[cobalt bronze]

The two relayer tasks I sent with key below on February 21 and 25 were not included in the list (Batch C).
Thereupon, I sent the same 2 tasks again on February 28 and 29. but these tasks still do not appear in the list published today (Batch D).

Key: tpknam1qpq7fu97ztlf3znkac6u3nlwpch0500zr8lplkkv0h40zwdmnnf76tykkcv

[dense nacelle]

Hi @agile arch I think when Gavin wrote in the announcement 'this means that anything in the latest batch of the spreadsheet is already in the Nebb', by latest batch I think he means batch C and not batch D? Because in Batch D there are several vulnerabilities approved but the top 3 in the Nebb hasn't changed

[vale glade]

yes I dont think it already updated

[rapid gale]

do you have comment for that @agile arch ?

I know you are in team with them @vale glade .

[vale glade]

He does a lot of work because https://dexplorer.space does not have the history of transactions, blocks,... and proposals, validators on https://dexplorer.space do not work with Namada RPC, and a lot of things change like decoding the block, address, and transaction data.

[vale glade]

Let's see 🙂

Waiting for the decision from reviewer

[rapid gale]

also #474 #481 is the same person submit or not ?
if #474 already is award issue.. #481 should not approve for that. it's same report need verify if that's copied
@agile arch

[severe kiln]

Hello @paper scarab ! I submitted 2 S class tasks, but they did not appear in the worksheet and the points were not added. Should I resubmit these tasks or wait?

Public Key
tpknam1qzlftk9273ccq0xn65s8masg93h6a2e43y5lj8fd9frjdp62nvcrqqenmrk

[waxen halo]

we resubmitted some s tasks too

[humble escarp]

I sent the submission with key below on February 21 and 26 and were not included in the provided list Batch.

Key: tpknam1qpgff9uw9km6f34957xptf3v86sack0p894gfl8lkfr77a3rmqn96lwfl8k

[undone void]

Hello, I don’t see confirmation of my submission task-S , it wasn’t included in the last Batch lists. What I have to do?

Key: tpknam1qpxleh3wtgyxdlm6e6ux6m5mfafad6l7jae42r6xvf0yaemerltcjms5d8l

[random ibex]

I submitted 4 S class tasks, but they did not appear in the worksheet and the points havent been awarded. I also re-submmitted the tasks but still no hope. My pubkey: tpknam1qrf4xm5zw9rlueslf4tugy8lr20tpvmv5rgwsdvwvtyd26xlxcha5080j4a

[wanton monolith]

@agile arch I completed the Operating IBC/ Interoperability infrastructure task and sent the form on February 27, but I don't see it added in the table, Although there is an entry in the table from February 28, should I send the form with the completed task again, or has not everything been uploaded since February 27?

[paper scarab]

pls don't tag me (or reply to this)

[wild vine]

oh can I, can I, can Iiiiii

😂..

[paper scarab]

please don't tag me (or reply to this)

[agile arch]

two different people, two different abci query issues (despite the same description)

[agile arch]

it's worth looking into imo, thanks to you and wiki dogs for raising the issue
if i recall, some were very low effort forks but others had done some extra work to support proposals, etc... worth distinguishing between the two

[agile arch]

thanks! it makes sense... but is the issue s-class points or points from other sources (since all three are pilots)? maybe i'm misunderstanding you but don't they have the correct 31B (62B for Crouton) plus ~6B additional from other sources?

[echo wharf]

Spork, question about the S class points for crew. How come the top scorer only received 10billion roids even though he is the only one who finished the vulnerability task? He should have received 62bn roids as I don’t see any other crew having finished this task

Seems to be a mistake in crew roids being awarded correctly. Worth looking into 🙂

[tired pivot]

@agile arch Hi, the file says I am not a member of the program, but I am on the list of members, line 288, here is my public key tpknam1qp2yhc5zchqf39drdmysqamdmw37elrxlrfn3nx8qwkz2e7munetxycq8x2, my rpc is working, but now the network is not working, rpc. alaina. tech.

[echo wharf]

There is another thread for this which recommends, steps to take to fix the issue about not being on member list. Try checking that out and then submit the task via extension

[echo wharf]

#1210649213499871243 message this should fix your issue

[austere cairn]

Yeah, so I mean that it's correct but outdated, now it seems to be better after latest update. Now crouton got all the roids for one subclass and others shared the roids for other subclasses. So all good now 👍

[agile arch]

thanks! there was a typo in the public key in the sheet, that's why it said you weren't registered. fixed now

for everyone asking about tasks not in the sheet, if you submitted on or after Feb 23 it is normal not to see it in the sheet -- just haven't got that far yet.

many more submissions still to get through from those dates, no need to resubmit or check public keys unless we have good reason to think it was missed (eg: you sent it on Feb 12 but it's not listed)

[cobalt bronze]

Who can we talk to about such problems and what we should do? The fact that the tasks are still not on the list after sending them twice to 2 different batches creates the need to send them a third time unless told otherwise. But in this case, there is also the possibility of it being mistaken for spam.
Can we please get guidance for the tasks that are sent without any problems, especially through NEBB, but are not on the list?

[echo wharf]

@agile arch do check on this when you get a chance #1214161772714532945 message

Unless I am missing something. Thanks

[agile arch]

we just updated with a batch of security submissions yesterday so the pool is now split 8 or 9 ways

[daring saddle]

hey spork, ummm you know 👉🏻 👈🏻

[agile arch]

sorry did i misunderstand something?

[daring saddle]

about my roids

[echo wharf]

Ah, I didn’t see any new submissions from crew wallets for this category in the excel , hence was confused.

[agile arch]

ah so maybe there is an issue
i updated the db with your info today but i don't see any change in your score yet

[vale glade]

Wow, a lot of security submissions from the crew. When we can see them? I only see one submission from the crew now.

[echo wharf]

Am in the same boat, had some submissions from Feb 26th hence just checking if these are part of the backend db update yesterday, as they haven’t reflected in points update 🙂

Will wait for the excel sheet update for the next batch 🤞

[daring saddle]

😕

[vale glade]

i think your point in my account, it will come back to you when you change your name 🤣

[sonic smelt]

@agile arch

Hey
I don’t understand, I was accepted for 2 tasks S for February 22 and 23 , but roid was not credited for them, should have been added, but in the end they removed 100 thousand roid🥺

Can you help me please
My wallet tpknam1qqz33k38x98p3erc9qzre2zmve8ql0k8gatqj84gdjxakag7krss75snfd0

[pliant rampart]

think each class (pilot and crew) have their separate pools of roid?

[pliant rampart]

are we at risk for a sudden close of submissions, or should we still be good to submit stuff a little while longer?

[pseudo ore]

Hi all, can someone from heliax connect to discuss my assignment that I submitted?
<@&833650360345559091>

[near yew]

They said they'll give us 1 week notification I hope they don't do any sudden closure

[mint geyser]

hey @agile arch .i answered your dm. please can u check ? thanks

[vale glade]

so I think the crew ranking is incorrectly update

[vale glade]

Hi @agile arch. please check my address when you are online, I am a crew member but it seems you are updating the security task point as a pilot. I should have gotten 66B from the crew pool instead of splitting it 8 or 9 ways with the other pilots. Thank you

[pliant rampart]

wonder if the same issue applies to all other s-class points on crew

[agile arch]

i had thought it was one shared pool for crew/pilots, but i've sent a message to ask about this

[agile arch]

no worries about sudden closure, there's still lots to go in the s-e... plans to test a coordinated hard-fork, pgf governance and inflation, staking rewards etc. everything has been pushed back a bit because of the chain halts

[daring saddle]

thanks spork! this morning I saw my roids up there. I have a question, if I find more than one security vulns, will I get points more than once?
@agile arch

[pliant rampart]

would be good with some idea how long this will keep going at some point. I'm more or less putting off all my irl stuff atm

[pliant rampart]

I guess that works too. but would be good with clarification on this ofc

[pliant rampart]

definitely not I think?

[sonic smelt]

@agile arch answer me please 🙏🏻

[pliant rampart]

your points that went down were probably from other tasks being diluted

[agile arch]

you have credit for both tasks, i can see in the database... but as we added more submissions in those categories the pools are split between more people

[agile arch]

in the context of s-e, no... but like many projects if you discovered a serious security issue, a bug bounty could be in order

(bar would need to be higher than what we've been accepting for s-e)

[dense nacelle]

Hi @agile arch in both the blogpost about the SE and the FAQ document it is mentioned that pilots compete only with pilots and crew members only with crew members. Were you using also the same shared pool of points incorrectly for pilots/crew for tasks B, C and A or only for the S class tasks?: 'NOTE: Pilots compete with other Pilots only, and Crew Members compete with other Crew Members only.' and '2. Can Pilots complete Crew Member tasks and the other way around? Yes they can, but Pilots are only given points for completing tasks in the Pilots' list of tasks, and Crew Members are only given points for completing Crew Member's tasks.'

[vale glade]

Yes, I have the same question

[vale glade]

I remember we're finding outstanding submissions, so @daring saddle try your best dude

[agile arch]

Thanks, from this info it does indeed make it sound like there's separate pools

in terms of what i've been doing, it doesn't make a difference because it all just parses down to public-key:category. then points are divvied out on the back end

but i've asked just to make sure we all have the correct info, will let you know what i hear back

[vale glade]

Thank you for your hard work 🔥

[pliant rampart]

there is a real difference between the two schemes in terms of points allocated though? don't really have a preference personally either way but

[sonic smelt]

It seems we have a misunderstanding. I don't see how this has positively influenced the score calculation. My first task was submitted on February 21st, and I received points for it on February 29th. The second and third tasks were submitted on the 22nd, but in your file about their review, the information appeared after the 29th. By that time, points were awarded only for the first task. According to the chat information and messages from your colleagues, the points were only credited recently. But from what I see, not only did this not affect my score positively, but it also decreased it. You said that the database indicates the tasks were credited, but this is not reflected on your UI. Perhaps you have some issues with this, as you mentioned earlier, "ah so maybe there is an issue. I updated the database with your information today, but I don't see any change in your score yet."
Even thinking logically, if there are points for the first task, then after submitting two more tasks, the points cannot decrease from the value at the moment the first task was accepted.

[pliant rampart]

your points on nebb can decrease all the time. a b and c class points count too. and every time someone else does same task, your points will decrease. (that also goes for s-class as spork mentioned)

[pseudo ore]

check DM pls

[thin junco]

Hi @agile arch I see in the table that this address has gotten points several times for rpc and relayer
tpknam1qpr9k2cus3suzqa0vfy5xasd96ayerk33rryn8qw5mtt2n6fw05a7997t90

I don't understand why he sent the same thing multiple times.

[wild vine]

Hey this doesn't matter, it gets filtered out, you can only get ROIDs one time per class.

So it's like: you either are in the pool of rewards or you're not. You can't be present multiple times in a class' pool.

[thin junco]

It would be great to see up-to-date information in the Eligible for ROIDS field

[earnest quiver]

katrin9253 has been warned

Reason: Posted a link

[sonic smelt]

I perfectly understand that points are distributed among participants for identical completed tasks. However, after my second and third tasks were marked as eligible for a reward, I do not see that any points were awarded for them at all. The number of points remained the same as it was after the first task was credited, until recently, when it began to decrease.

[runic gust]

you sure it works correctly?

[wild vine]

I'm not actually behind it, so I can't be sure no. But this is based on how I have been told to how it works.

Like the whole sheet gets parsed. I even think this gets done for the whole thing every time an update gets done.

And an address simply gets a true or false given in a designated reward pool

So even if someone gets given a true value multiple times, it's still just true.

But I don't know if this is how it has been implemented exactly.

This is how I imagine it to be based on the explanation I was given

@agile arch might be able to verify this explanation

I do wonder tho, if a true => false change also gets handled. Or if this requires more manual work.

If there was an occurrence like this tho lol.

Don't think anyone got this unlucky. To be retracted points again.

[pliant rampart]

would be good if nebb could break down points rewarded for S, A, B and C (just as aggregate categories)

[austere cairn]

Would be nice to clean up the sheet in the end imo

[austere cairn]

At least S and Other

[languid whale]

I believe enhancing the spreadsheet by incorporating two new fields would significantly improve its functionality and transparency. The first field should indicate whether the current task has been rewarded with roids, and the second should display the date of the reward. Additionally, providing access to the change history would enable all members to see precisely when each task was added to the spreadsheet and rewarded. This will be useful for maintaining clarity, as it has been observed that tasks are sometimes added retroactively to the same date.

[wild vine]

The displaying of date for when the reward got given sounds like a lot of work. The first would probably be doable:

1. Add a field that keeps track of the most recent Nebb update; call it LATEST_NEBB_SYNC.
2. Give each submission a field that works like a LAST_CHANGES_MADE-field and only updates when a change is made in the YES/NO-column or CATEGORY-column.
3. Let a new column do the calculation: LAST_CHANGES_MADE <= LATEST_NEBB_SYNC. If the last changes made is below the latest nebb sync, then this submission got included, else it did not get included.

Though I see some edge cases where this would not be completely accurate

For instance, changing an already included submission would let the calculation in 3. change the value from true to false, though on the Nebb this person would still have points.

But yeah, I'm not in charge of this sheet! Just giving a train of thought.

Having to go back for every submission to when these got included sounds like something they may not be able to accurately trace back. Also I'm not exactly seeing the point to knowing this.

[languid whale]

Automating this process, including the feature to add the date when rewards are issued, seems entirely feasible to me. Given that there likely exists a scheduled process already in place to parse this sheet, recalculating all points during each run should pose no significant challenge. By grouping rows by address and task category, we can effectively prevent duplicate rewards. Furthermore, we can programmatically assign a date and status for each task, streamlining the process and enhancing accuracy. This approach not only ensures fairness in the distribution of rewards but also optimizes the system for efficiency and transparency.

[wild vine]

Okay if it's for later additions then it's possible indeed. I was thinking about the hassle it would become having to get this data you're now asking for.

And having the exact date to when one's submission got included.

Since they probably run the sheet through the database multiple times. (the date would keep on changing if they don't track the first time the submission got included)

[languid whale]

This enhancement is not just for future operations; it will recalibrate the entire system from the ground up, ensuring that every player receives the accurate reward points they deserve. This assumes, of course, that the system does not rely on any sort of manual, unrecorded scoring process=)

[wild vine]

I don't actually think it's possible to get awarded multiple times btw, an address is either included or not. But spork should bring more light to the matter and may look at these things as potential optimizations for transparency

[languid whale]

just additional check if date already was filled - not to fill it again

[wild vine]

Thank you for your input btw :)!

[wild vine]

Hehe yes indeed

[agile arch]

yeah this pretty accurate
each time i run the process to update the scores, it parses the current state of the sheet down to a sql query depending on the public key, yes/no value for roids, and category. duplicate public keys for the same category are filtered out. it overwrites the existing scores each time instead of adding to them. this way we can be sure the scores reflect whatever the state of the sheet is at the time this is done, including any and all edits that have been made

don't know how the backend works but i imagine it's simply a case of dividing each pool by number of awardees and doling out an equal share of points to each (still waiting for an answer on if there's separate or shared pools for crew/pilots)

seems to take several (maybe 10-12?) hours for the changes to appear on the nebb site -- there's an update clock in the top right but i don't think that applies

[agile arch]

i love this idea, but realistically not sure it can be added at this stage

[agile arch]

thanks for these suggestions, i'm all for increasing transparency wherever possible.

what i could do is add another sheet with a record of date/time when i refresh the db going forward. then it can be assumed the front end will reflect the changes within ~12 hours or so from that time

i would share the change history but a quick google search suggests i can't do that without granting edit access; someone can correct me if i'm wrong on that

[pliant rampart]

if points are stored in a db as I think you're saying, it shouldn't be too hard to query?

[languid whale]

A brief explanation to the public about the rewards one can expect at the current stage. (This is just an output of simple console app that I created just to check rewards. Unfortunatelly cant attach screenshot here):

Subclass: Operating Namada Infrastructure as a service, Unique Addresses: 152, Reward Per Address: 411,184,210

Subclass: Operating IBC/Interoperability infrastructure, Unique Addresses: 72, Reward Per Address: 868,055,555

Subclass: Building Namada ecosystem integrations and tooling, Unique Addresses: 28, Reward Per Address: 2,232,142,857

Subclass: Finding security vulnerabilities, Unique Addresses: 9, Reward Per Address: 6,944,444,444

Subclass: Building protocol and cryptography improvements, Unique Addresses: 1, Reward Per Address: 62,500,000,000

[agile arch]

no, but the team is crunching hard on getting the next release(s) out so i'm not sure they can spare attention for this atm

[pliant rampart]

fair. at some point I would love to know if my stuck profile on nebb can be unfrozen too

[agile arch]

ok i see what you mean, i like this idea. i think it could be added fairly easily

[echo wharf]

Yes, this is a good idea

Having this record will definitely increase transparency

[pliant rampart]

except for A-class ofc

[echo wharf]

Just wanted to say, thanks for your hardwork. I can imagine a lot of pressure on you to get this done and almost you doing it entirely. As for roids, I think all S,A,B,C points for crew are separate from pilots. Hoping it’s not too difficult to incorporate in the rankings based on public key queries

[agile arch]

can you refresh my memory here? you're stuck at #9 so it's displaying your score out of order?

[languid whale]

I can send you the example of the code itself. Maybe you will find something useful there. But it is .net 🙂

[agile arch]

thank you, appreciate it

[pliant rampart]

well both I'm stuck at #9 constantly, but atm the score kinda fits, but that's incidental. last week I was at #9 when score should have me at #15-16. but also I think my entire score may be stuck, and just need confirm it's not completely wrong..

you will see there are two #9 and I'm the stuck one

[agile arch]

oh, but one blocker before we can actually add it is to get confirmation on if it's one pool or two for pilots/crew, that will affect the calculations

[pliant rampart]

that definitely needs sorting. personally I'm leaning towards separate pools if one goes by the descriptions of the introduction. but cool with either way personally

[languid whale]

So, just to clarify for myself. As for right now this sheet contains both pilots and crews reward statistic?

[languid whale]

also think that pools should be separated

[echo wharf]

Yeah, I think it’s definitely separate pools for both, but yeah do confirm with the team. As per blogpost they are separate pools from what I understand 🙂

[agile arch]

correct, the submissions bot doesn't distinguish and neither did the sheet when i took over, so i just continued in that direction

[echo wharf]

Is it same right now for only S class tasks or even for A,B,C ones?

[pliant rampart]

which means if they are split, there probably needs to be some cleaning in db to make sure they're removed from the opposite category?

[echo wharf]

Let’s wait for team to confirm and then we can see how this needs to be done! Thanks spork for double checking and looking into this!

[agile arch]

not necessarily, maybe the backend already accounts for this
eg: first get all s-class records with public key corresponding to pilots table and calculate points, repeat for crew table

[pliant rampart]

right, depends on how it's set up I guess. but there could be a possibility for duplicate errors depending

[rapid gale]

that's fact if you done 3 subclass task you will less point than another done 1 task for 1 special category in S subclass.

Also @agile arch I think you need to remove and mark as no in google sheet to make sure point is updating correctly on Nebb.. Many ppl submit again still marked as yes for point.

Look at #640 that is knowed issue still marked as yes :)).. i can see 3 ppl submit the same issue already.

[agile arch]

got confirmation back from heliax that it's separate pools for pilots/crew for s-class; backend should detect if public key is pilot or crew and divide points accordingly

[vale glade]

thank you

[pliant rampart]

why doesn't hades have a gazillion points in crew for his security submission? if it reflects like that?

[unique whale]

Much needed

[fiery imp]

Hey @agile arch, we have submitted S-class task on 26 February, but we don't see it has been added to the sheet with the other submissions on 26 February. Could you please check? Thanks!
tpknam1qz0r0av6v2f62udk0cwsdqd6h9274fd6ed57hzaa2shsutkh90qeund2wze

[daring saddle]

Can you elaborate a bit more on the category Building protocol and cryptography improvements? I'm confused why the Noble bug is included in this category but not in the finding a security vulnerability category
@agile arch

[short wadi]

It was previously explained that everything is checked by the script and roids will not be awarded for tasks from the same subcategory. But if everything works like this with the IBC, the table notes that roids are awarded for only one IBC, then questions remain with the indexer, since many people noted in the table that they were awarded roids for the RPC and the Indexer.
If everything really works as they say, then please ask the team to correct this defect in the table where it is said that people were awarded roids for the indexer and RРС. Because now it looks like the roids are actually being awarded for both task

[cloud vine]

Probably an explicit No in the table for submissions in the same subcategory would be clearer, but very time consuming for spork. As long as they are deduplicated when read by the backend...

[languid whale]

Bug Report: Crew Search Functionality Issue

Dear @agile arch,

I've encountered a discrepancy in the crew search functionality that seems to be affecting the accuracy of search results. Specifically, when conducting a search for a crew member by their moniker, the search yields the expected result, which is great. However, an issue arises when searching for a crew member using an tpknam, tnam addresses associated with a pilot player who is not part of any crew.

In such cases, the search incorrectly displays this pilot player in the crew search results. This inconsistency doesn't occur when the same pilot player is searched by their moniker; no results are shown, which aligns with expectations since they are not a member of any crew.

This inconsistency in search results could potentially confuse users and undermine the reliability of the search functionality.

And vice versa.

[vale glade]

I think they working on it now mate

[dusky drift]

@agile arch
I have submitted a S class task about IBC relayer, but it wasn't been recorded in the sheet, can you please help to check it?

PK：tpknam1qzndq3sytzpv6z0t6ufug47g7kc0x7xpk3d228swfy3rz2zlp7v8cmd2xt8
Evidence: https://github.com/wufangfang1984/namada_se/blob/main/relayer/wff_relayer_namada-osmos_task.md

[short wadi]

Please note that the table only shows assignments submitted before February 26 inclusive

[pliant rampart]

f5

[agile arch]

yes, there's more Feb 26 to come including yours

[agile arch]

not totally sure about this one, it was evaluated by someone else before i took over

[vale glade]

Hi @agile arch my submission (503) is in the wrong category, it should be "Building Namada ecosystem integrations and tooling"

[daring saddle]

Is it possible to be re-evaluated?

[agile arch]

i agree this would be better, and there was a script shared i would still like to take a look at to fix this... just that due to the size of the backlog, i have to budget my time and make some tradeoffs with things like this

[agile arch]

you're right, thanks for catching that. corrected now

[vale glade]

Thank you sir

[agile arch]

marked it in yellow so i remember to check later

[spring forge]

hi @agile arch
need to ask on excel #646, why it says No eligible for ROIDS ?
is that was same task between IBC Cosmos #643 and IBC Osmosis #646 ?

[fallow oasis]

hi @agile arch our entry for 664 in sheet https://namada-tools.brightlystake.com/ is tagged under
Operating Namada Infrastructure as a service but we offer more than snapshots with tooling about rpc and seed status checks as well as indexer check.
I think it should considered under the category Building Namada ecosystem integrations and tooling .
Can you please check the entry and reconsider. Thanks
cc @dusky widget

[languid whale]

What do you mean?) Refresh page?)

[pliant rampart]

yes. it's been buggy like that all along, but if you refresh the page, it becomes normal

[jovial mountain]

because there was an issue with of cryptography (with decoding Namada address) And team and Bengt was very pleased when we found this issue with cryptography, and now this problem is being solved.

[dusky widget]

@cerulean oxide

[echo wharf]

@agile arch a small mixup with my submissions in latest excel update, sent you a dm about it. Do check it when you get a chance 🙂

[vale glade]

Hi @agile arch can I join both pilots and crew? I don't see this in the FAQ

[pliant rampart]

you can if you signed up for both

[vale glade]

thank you

[pliant rampart]

unless you used same wallet in which case you're defaulted to pilot only

[vale glade]

Waiting Mr Spork confirm

[pliant rampart]

it's been confimed by team before the expedition in any case. but yes spork has also confirmed in these threads (but understand you want to hear it from him ofc)

[lunar shuttle]

@agile arch Please confirm my RPC node task on http s://namada-rpc.cryptboy.fun/ . 98 pos in excel

[agile arch]

only because while both submissions were good, you can't get points more than once for running a relayer