#Headhunter Leviathal - 2500pts List

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hallow laurel
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If you want a suggestion, I'm running 4 Recon squads and 6 Headhunter squads as a minimum. I'm also running 2 Exodus as a meme.

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The recon provide some much needed Line while also infiltrating and being a really fluffy choice. Bonus points for snipers being really strong now.

slate pivot
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Well, we are on an entire other kind of list so...

fleet cargo
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Those tartaros are a bit expensive with 4 t-hammers. if you hit a spartan, they will just get vaporized because 5++ just isn't that good at surviving ID ap2 attacks at range.

slate pivot
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253pts. How many AP 2 there is at range, and how far away are 2 pieces of scenery LoS blockers.

fleet cargo
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There is a lot of ap 1-2 ranged, like seeker squads, plasma squads, lascannon sunkillers/HSS, fulmintaris, spartans, etc. if your table is SWIMMING in LoS blocking terrain, then why the HSS?

You can probably use the points saved on 2 thunder hammers and just get basic power weapons that strike at initiative, or better yet, lightning claws.

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More than 2 T-hammers in that squad with no bonus ablative wounds is generally not going to be beneficial.

hallow laurel
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Wait, am I missing something? I don't see a list at all.

slate pivot
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At the top ? 😮

late wolf
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Yeah, lists not up there for me too

slate pivot
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Mmmh...

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Surprise surprise, another Headhunter Leviathal Army list !

Alpha Legion (2500pts)

HQ :

Praetor
Master Crafted Parangon Blade
Volkite Charger
Warlord Trait : Ever Vigilant
Rite of War : Headhunter Leviathal

Retinue : 5 Tartaros Legion Command Squad
1 Chainfist
4 Thunder Hammers
4 Volkite Charger

Centurion
Legion Librarian
Pyshic Hood
Force Staff
Psychic Discipline : Telepathy

Centurion
Legion Master of Signal
Power Dagger

Elite :

RoT : Contemptor-Osiron Talon :
1 Contemptor-Osiron Dreadnought
Minor Arcana : Corvidae
1 Gravis Lascannon
1 Contemptor-Osiron Dreadnought
Minor Arcana : Corvidae
1 Gravis Lascannon

Apothecarion Detachment
3 Apothecaries

Troops :

15 Tactical Marines
Legion Vexilla
14 Chain Bayonets
Artificer Armour
Power Dagger

15 Tactical Marines
Legion Vexilla
14 Chain Bayonets
Artificer Armour
Power Dagger

7 Support Marines
7 Plasma Gun
Power Dagger
DT : Rhino Carrier

5 Recon Marines
Nemesis Bolter
Power Dagger

Fast Attack :

5 Headhunters
Multi Melta
Artificer Armour
Plasma Pistol

1 Sabre Strike Tank
Volkite Saker
Volkite Culverine

Heavy Support :

10 Heavy Support Squad
10 Autocanons
Power Dagger
Artificer Armour

Master of Signal goes inside the HSS.
Librarian in a squad of 15 tacticals.
Yes, Tartaros command squad are running 13" until they can charge :p

Quick note : I'm never going to face a Primarch.

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Here ?

late wolf
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Works for me

slate pivot
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Well then... <@&877304032014794762>

late wolf
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Why the headhunter leviathal ROW if you're not taking them as troops?

slate pivot
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What does it change ?

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Except it means they do not count as fast attack to balance the HS.

late wolf
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Headhunters are troops/fast attack
Slay the warlord= 3vp instead of one
Shrouded on the first turn
Vehicles must start in reserves, and must have more fast attack than heavy support

slate pivot
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Ok you are exposing what HH Leviathal is, but I still don't see the point of taking them.

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As troops.

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if they are not Fast Attack, the list is illegal.

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And because it changes "absolutely" nothing to it if they are not in Troops, I prefer the list to be legal 🙂

late wolf
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Oh yeah, I get that, but why the levithal? Could just not take one and not need your vehicles to be off board the first turn. Though shrouded can help a bit

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Ive not gotten a game in yet so take my comments with a massive grain of salt

slate pivot
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Leviathal is because of the +2vp on Warlord slain, and because I killed my brain to tailor a list with a RoW.

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And none seemed to fit.

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In a way, it's the same for Master of Signal. I love my conversion, and he will only give +1BS to HSS.

late wolf
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Fair enough!

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I had a hard time breaking that row thing myself when I made a 1k point list, ngl

slate pivot
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It's not mandatory

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But i never played with those in 1st Ed outside of a specific TS that disappeared in v2

crimson zenith
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Where does the third apothecary go?

wooden ledge
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so:
I would suggest dropping the Power Dagger on the Heavy Support
I'd also suggest switching them to Lascannons, as they will help a lot against vehicles and heavy armor
Bringing vehicles is also sub-optimal for the Leviathal
You could drop them and take another Headhunter squad, as those work best when you have 2 or 3 small squads

slate pivot
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With the BS 5, Autocannons are slightly better against heavy armour than Lascannons, for much cheaper, and I can still mulch some heavy Infantry in the process.
Yes, that's correct, Hence the MoS. So suboptimal become relatively ok.
HH aren't good enough for me to bring 2 squads. Maybe i could swap the Sabre for a javeline or something like that.

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crimson zenith
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Do cover saves stack with FNP?

slate pivot
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FNP is a mitigation Roll, cover is a save. I think it do if i understood correctly.

crimson zenith
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Only thing I'm not sure on here is the autocannons. You're likely to get 1 glance and 2 pens on AV14 vs around 2 glance 2 pens from Lascannons, and Lascannons have the AP2

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and then if there's not a lot of armour, lascannons also ID terminators

slate pivot
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That's a good point, but it's suddenly 100pts more.

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My issue is, indeed, that HH Leviathal requires to have MORE Fast Attack than Heavy Support

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It's something I would gladly pass on ^^

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I was going to try playing Outriders.

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But gosh are they so bad. 85pts for a unit that disappear to anything looking at them, and that cost almost 150 with "upgrades".

cerulean thicket
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Imho outriders you gotta keep cheap, I like to keep a minimum 3 squad with plasma.

Deploy it in cover out of Los near the middle. 6” scout + 14” M + 12” plasma+shotguns is a decent enough threat bubble to find a target of opportunity on turn 1.

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Doesnt help that its my pet unit that I love to use as much as I can though 😖

slate pivot
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It's a lot of point no ?

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85 + 30 plasma + 15 of shotgun?

cerulean thicket
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Shotguns should be free switch

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From CS

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Wouldnt take em otherwise… unless i read that wrong and played an illegal unit 😓

slate pivot
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IDK, just Saw it was a 3w 3+ unit for 85pts base

cerulean thicket
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Yeah thats fair, i use them as mobile shooting platforms especially with the restriction on vehicles in Headhunter RoW.
I guess it would depend on the list, since in a vacuum the bikes themselves are just not great options. But with my lists so far, they have seemed harmless enough to not warrant being a priority target. Like my recon squads, theres better things in my army to shoot at like Tyrants, Suzerains, Dreads, Interemptors, etc that the plasma bikers might get shot at by a unit or 2 of with weaker guns (rhinos, tac squads).

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I just dont like putting vehicles in reserve unless im outflanking them. And plasma bikers have been my option for fast moving special weapons.

I would say Landspeeders fit the bill too, but they are harder to hide behind terrain, and I load them up as grav/MM for deepstriking anti vehicle work.

slate pivot
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That's my Idea for answer to thé fact my Tartaros aren't in a transport. I mean if you shot AT them your Squad IC will be turn to slag by Corvidae Sniping Contemptor :p

cerulean thicket
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Sniping contemptor?

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😱

slate pivot
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Corvidae allows that so...

cerulean thicket
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Well im glad no RG players here yet… 🤔thanks

slate pivot
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no RG players ? Why ?

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I mean, I hesitated to fill my RoT and my second Fast Attack slot for HH Leviathal with Dark Furies.

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But then I witness they weren't the "best" unit to kill terminators.

cerulean thicket
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We just have a handful of guys playing in 1.0. Maybe up to 9 now with the new edition but oddly enough no one has picked RG 🤷‍♂️

slate pivot
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Ah ah.

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RG is disgusting.

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None of their unit are bad.

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They aren't Ultramarines good, but they are a solid A good.

fierce knot
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ultras will get nerfed

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no way can an indirect fire S8 AP2 Brutal (2) attack remain in the game

slate pivot
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I don't think GW is the kind to redo a unit.

shut sun
cerulean thicket
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Sniper vets 😅

slate pivot
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It's not an overhaul or redoing.

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It's a straight up "That was absurd"

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I'm retailoring a bit the list

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Alpha Legion (2500pts)

HQ :

Praetor

  • Master Crafted Parangon Blade
  • Warlord Trait : Ever Vigilant
  • Rite of War : Headhunter Leviathal

Retinue : 5 Tartaros Legion Command Squad

  • 1 Chainfist
  • 4 Thunder Hammers
  • 4 Volkite Charger

Centurion

  • Saboteur
  • Nemesis Bolter
  • Dual Lightning Claws

Centurion

  • Legion Master of Signal
  • Power Dagger

Elite :

RoT : Contemptor-Osiron Talon :

1 Contemptor-Osiron Dreadnought
Minor Arcana : Corvidae
1 Gravis Lascannon

1 Contemptor-Osiron Dreadnought
Minor Arcana : Corvidae
1 Gravis Lascannon

Apothecarion Detachment

  • 3 Apothecaries

Troops :

15 Tactical Marines

  • Legion Vexilla
  • 14 Chain Bayonets
  • Artificer Armour
  • Power Dagger

15 Tactical Marines

  • Legion Vexilla
  • 14 Chain Bayonets
  • Artificer Armour
  • Power Dagger

5 Recon Marines

  • Nemesis Bolter

Fast Attack :

8 Headhunters

  • Multi Melta
  • Artificer Armour

5 Outriders

  • 5 Twinlink Plasma Gun
  • 5 Astartes Shotgun
  • Artificer Armour

Heavy Support :

10 Heavy Support Squad

  • 10 Lascannons
  • Power Dagger
  • Artificer Armour
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Sorry for the ping but still <@&877304032014794762>

cerulean thicket
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Why dont you take out the 2 Hh and make 2 plasma bike squads?

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But otherwise, i like it

slate pivot
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Mmmh... HH are 20pts each, Plasma Bike are 30

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Well actually I have 39pts left on the list

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So I can : Make a 6th bike, keep the 7HH (this is my excuse to convert more of them...)

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And have 9pts for whatever the freak I can do.

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Disregard I have only 29pts.

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Praetor ? He will lose the Charger.

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Corrected

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2499pts

slate pivot
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@cerulean thicket by the way, would you rather play plasma or Melta bikes ?

cerulean thicket
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I like plasma mainly because of being cheaper

slate pivot
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Less efficient against Termies since they are 2w.

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I'm afraid I don't have enough answer to big Termies blob actually.

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(Like I know a friend of mine plays Iron warriors and just jerk all around about Tyrans...)

cerulean thicket
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Ah if you are taking them for termie hunting, yeah its worth finding the points.

cerulean thicket
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I have a squad i wanted to use as melta but the kit only has plasma and bolters. Need to figure out a way to kitbash it

slate pivot
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I did that quickly

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And honestly I don't know, because I don't see what my list lack

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I'm almost feeling that plasma is not the best choice actually...

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And that Melta is the most versatile weapon i can put on them. But on the other way, it's still 14 lascan shots BS5 per turn in the list.

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But that sweet instant death on Termies, Suzerains and such...

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And 5 Melta shots twin linked bs4 is what, 3 hits ?

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It starts to be interesteing with 6 bikes but i have only 5 on hand and it is 35pts per bike

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200pts for 5 Melta shots maybe not the best for dreads/Termies hunting as primary mission

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But will wreck any vehicle.