#Dark Angels 2.0 Theorycrafting

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hidden spruce
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Thank you drybrushing metallics for letting me not edge highlight

candid cargo
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Those are going to murder me (checkers)

scarlet swift
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How are people building their lists?

drowsy ferry
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Would Leviathan(s) be fun/solid in Eskaton? Phosphex+Grav look pretty fun in that?

teal fox
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Definitely, create more dangerous terrain for their bonus

wild thistle
drowsy ferry
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Yeah - I was thinking maybe a pair with phospex, grav + claw and just marched into the middle lmao

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no doubt double guns are probably more optimal, but I like the idea of gun+claw

candid cargo
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Claw having brutal(3) helps prevent him getting wrecked in combat and keeps his points down a little too

drowsy ferry
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Yeah, while I'm a noob seems like it makes them a lot less ideal to try and tar pit too

wild thistle
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The good think about claw Levi is that he trashes contemptors

candid cargo
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I wonder if I have two leviathan claws… I should go look

teal fox
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It's hard to pass up the claw on the leviathan

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Really good option to deal with other dreads

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I'm not sure you'd want 2 given it's not that fast and can't run. But certainly 1

drowsy ferry
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Hows the dreadwing bonus? Not super familiar with HH to get a good feel for the general power level of it.

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RoW looks good/fun, but asking about the bonus 😄

candid cargo
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Helps against plasma volkite and phosphex. Poison on infantry too

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Plasma is going to be a popular removal tool and volkite has always been nice for infantry clearing so helping against both is pretty sweet

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And I do not have two claws. Time to get more

teal fox
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I ran mine with the drill last edition, definitely gotta get a claw

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Dreadwing isn't always going to matter, but when it does it's a nice durability bonus

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And most games you're gonna encounter some plasma or volkite

sullen arrow
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I for sure think that centurions you get without taking up a slot in Stormwing will be solid especially if you run 20 bolters in the squad

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Is it the best probably not but it’s interesting enough to be fun I think

candid cargo
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It gives the big blobs some more combat survivability if you move them to objectives

teal fox
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My initial lists with storm of war so far,I haven't taken centurions. I think the pts are better spent on apothecaries

drowsy ferry
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It would look dope too

teal fox
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Then you have 2 characters to keep the stubborn bonus, and fnp makes a more durable unit than one combat character

drowsy ferry
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Do those blobs get or commonly take a sarg too?

teal fox
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Yes

sullen arrow
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Well all blobs have a sarge

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I’d just recommend him as a gun peasant maybe

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Or to kit him out

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I’d never take a bolt gun and chainsword

teal fox
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I usually prefer artificer armor and a power weapon

sullen arrow
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I’d say that’s him kitted out

drowsy ferry
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anyone taking bayonets or chain bayonets?

teal fox
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Love chain bayonets on my stubborn 20 man tactical blocks in the storm of war

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I think if you are going to pay pts for bayonets, worth the extra mile to get shred from the chain bayonets

gritty pollen
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@drowsy ferry I like the look of the regular bayonets but I'll probably take some chain bayonets on a veteran squad

glossy bolt
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so, Rules Question Time, brothers

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is a dedicated transport part of the unit it is bought with?

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Namely

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does a squad starting inside a DT near Marduk also gain preferred enemy?

uncut summit
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DTs are "selected together with the unit" and "count as having the same role as the unit for all other rules purposes (in the context of the FOC)". Also in the FOC section it describes them as "attached to the unit taking them". DT's also "may never be selected as a separate unit". I think the rulebook is trying to avoid specifically calling it part of the unit, but there really is no other way to describe it. I think RAW Sedras' aura does take effect, since the only requirement is that 1 model from a unit is within range of the aura. It makes no distinction between whether that model is a "part" or "attached" even though neither term is properly defined making the meaning somewhat nebulous. Is not a model/unit attached to another unit a part of that unit? They never count as a separate unit, but as a unit/model attached to another unit. Regardless, the rule requires that you have 1 model within range, not specifying if the model being a part or attached to said unit matters, and that all models in that unit gain the rule. And all models "in" a unit also makes no distinction between the terms "part" or "attached." It's a poorly worded mess. RAI I don't think they intended it to work on other units embarked in transports, but the distinction between a unit and its transport is too poorly defined to allow for that so RAW to me the aura still works. Plus the wording on Sedras' rule makes it err on the side of more flexible since it does not specify the status of the model in the unit or what "in a unit" means.

hidden spruce
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do rhinos have to take the same wing as the unit they're bought with?

hidden spruce
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Also are paladins of the hekatonystika a better choice than champions?

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might kitbash zephon into one

opaque pendant
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Imo, yes, if you want a champion type model

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It gets access to the orders, so things like breaker of witches which used to be a common one for a chaplain against librarians etc

hidden spruce
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Very nice

sullen arrow
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Plus a paladin is our unique champion styled option so why not take it. He’s got a nice sword as well

teal fox
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Yeah, there's no reason to take a champion. Our unique consul is better given he also has stubborn

uncut summit
candid cargo
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and a lot of times it makes sense. In Eskaton for example, why would you NOT take dreadwing to ignore all the difficult/dangerous terrain?

visual epoch
teal fox
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Rhinos probably want dreadwing anyway. Nice for them to have a little added durability vs plasma/volkite

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Not that a rhino is gonna last long anyway when shot at.. but it's something

drowsy ferry
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What wargear do you typically add to rhino? I assume keep them cheap

solid tartan
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It’s more for the difficult terrain mitigation.

uncut summit
solid tartan
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Depends, in an Eskaton RoW you’re going to be light on points after your dedicated units are taken.

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In certain RoWs you may be restricted by the amount of heavy or elite choices and then I’d recommend a havoc launcher or multimelta

sullen arrow
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For a rhino I add literally nothing to them

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They are metal coffins

drowsy ferry
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Nice makes a ton of sense. If anyone has any eskaton lists they've made up, I'd love to see them!

teal fox
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Only thing I'd consider is maybe a dozer blade. But usually not even that

mint quartz
sullen arrow
gritty pollen
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Also searchlights if I'm worried about night fighting

teal fox
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I'd rather save a havoc launcher for a vehicle that won't die to the first anti-tank weapon pointed its way

primal pier
drowsy ferry
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Any hot takes on sabres? too squishy to be worth?

teal fox
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Maybe decent? They are pretty cheap, you could take 2 for the price of 1 medium tank like a sicaran

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I find it hard to pick which vehicles I want to use sometimes, so many more options in HH than 40k

drowsy ferry
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haha yeah

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but so cheap I feel like I could sprinkle 2 in

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worst case they get killed before my rhinos lmao

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ablative armor lmao

tepid hedge
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Any tips on making a 1k list using just the AoD box for stormwing?

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my local warhammer is doing 1k point games so we can learn the game

drowsy ferry
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praetor or delegatus + 2x units of infantry + contemptor and/or termies?

tepid hedge
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is delegatus a special dark angels consul?

drowsy ferry
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no - it is a centurion consule that can take over instead of a praetor

candid cargo
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Cheaper way to get Master of the Legion for anyone

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the Paladin is the DA specific one

tepid hedge
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ohhh the paladin thats it

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thanks

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so we need to get Master of the Legion for something?

gritty pollen
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If you want to use a rite of war then yes

tepid hedge
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could you direct me to the page number? is it in our liber astartes or general rulebook?

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nvm found it. Master of the Legion (Page 123) Liber Astartes

sullen arrow
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They are really fast take 2 and you could probably flank some armoured target

drowsy ferry
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I guess neutrons?

sullen arrow
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I use auto cannons or neutrons

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Personally

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Depends on what I feel like might be good

teal fox
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Neutron to force those snap shots is nifty, though it is the more expensive choice

drowsy ferry
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what are those bits? those are HK?

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teal fox
drowsy ferry
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sabre missiles?

teal fox
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I think sabre missiles are gone? So probably HKs

drowsy ferry
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nah they still have them

teal fox
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Nvm, probably sabres then

drowsy ferry
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seems like probably worth keeping cheep, though I guess sabres don't seem awful. basically like single use autocannons

teal fox
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I'm really hoping the sabre goes plastic since it's sold out on FW

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I think I'd prefer to keep the tank cheap. Though I haven't tried them yet so no experience using them

gritty pollen
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I think for everything generic, especially vehicles, it's a question of when and not if they're coming in plastic

teal fox
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I mean, I'd take that too. More plastic the better

tepid hedge
drowsy ferry
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I suspect they keep them cheap? I'd guess you might want a praetor if you want a beat stick.

tepid hedge
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So far the only legions I know of that will be at the 1k games are world eaters and imperial fists

teal fox
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Probably a terrainic greatsword because it's the cool dark angels unique sword

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But if I need to save pts, probably just a power axe

uncut summit
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terranic greatsword is straight up better than the paragon blade as well as most melee options available to other legions

tepid hedge
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I actually remembered I am waiting for the shoulders and helmets to come out before building my tac marines. So I may need to do the Unbroken Vow or the other one that lets terminators be troops. So Im thinking 1 HQ, 2 units of 5 terminators for my basic set up for 1k points

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Should I equip the terminators like the box where there is one of each weapon or should i mix fists and chainfists only?

teal fox
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Going for the unique helmets/pads on tacticals, boy that's gonna add up fast

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I'm saving those for veterans

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For generic terminators, I'd say power fists. Instant death on any 2 wound elites is a pretty big deal

drowsy ferry
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so power fists for tartos?

teal fox
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Tartos I might consider claws. Or power swords as deathwing

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Since with a 5++ they are worse for Terminator vs Terminator fights

drowsy ferry
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I guess they'd probably be dreadwing a lot of the times

teal fox
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Unfortunately the -1 strength doesn't matter vs plasma

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But yeah, less vulnerable to volkite, phosphex, flamers ain't too bad

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Most of our other traits don't do much for power fist terminators

drowsy ferry
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Yeah - figured it would be fluffy in eskaton and help their ride at least

teal fox
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I'd actually much rather take cenobium over generic cataphractii

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But just working with what I have out of the big box first

teal fox
tepid hedge
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so how good is the deathwing +1 to power swords? would Seargant with calabanite blade and grenade harness, vexilla with power sword be enough swords in one unit of 10 cataphractii? and is a full 10 man squad of power swords just not ideal?

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The initial 10 man squad I had in mind was 2 dudes with pair of lightning claws, 3 chainfists, power sword on vexilla, 3 power fists, sergeant with calabanite blade.

teal fox
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The deathwing bonus is great, but only for a full unit with swords

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For the one Sargent with a sword, not worth it at all

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Also, the sarge can't take a vexilla. Has to be a standard member of the squad

tepid hedge
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yeah the vexilla would have a sword but regular power sword

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sergeant with harness and calabanite blade

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but looks like i should go all swords if i want them deathwing, which is totally fine anyway since I want them all with swords

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and probably makes them cheaper for a 1k game

teal fox
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The annoying thing for swords, is just that the cataphractii kit doesn't come with them

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It's only power fists or lightning claws

tepid hedge
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yeah and theyre expensive on ebay

teal fox
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Right. So I'm just not doing that

tepid hedge
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people are seriously asking $5 USD for one sword

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like W T F

teal fox
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I don't see cataphractii as a permanent place in my list anyway

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I'd much rather replace them with cenobium eventually

tepid hedge
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same, just for learning horus heresy

teal fox
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Right. So I'd just go fists

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Save your $$ for better units

tepid hedge
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true

drowsy ferry
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Think when running Ceno it is best to just go all in 10+Spartan?

visual epoch
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They do all the work

drowsy ferry
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Yeah - terminator chaplain seems fun too

teal fox
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Do they even really need a chaplain? Make them deathwing, and hunter of kings for facing ws5

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I'd be tempted to do a herald so they are line

drowsy ferry
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Yeah, i've seen herald also discussed

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seems fun

tepid hedge
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How does this look for a 1k list

mint quartz
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Spartan in 1k is kind of a dick move imo

tepid hedge
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oh ok

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How would I get terminators around?

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just walk in 1k?

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we are all learning horus heresy, i havent played any games of horus heresy ever

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atleast most of us are learning for the meetup at my local shop

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im assuming almost everyone is using contents of the box

drowsy ferry
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I think you will want to spend more points on your HQ too

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either praetor or delegatus

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You might get more learning done without taking 75% of your eggs in one basket

visual epoch
tepid hedge
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i want people to ask me to play

visual epoch
drowsy ferry
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That is kind of fun too, assuming they don't have a that guy attitude too lol

tepid hedge
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I had my first 3 games of 40k 9th edition yesterday, two 1k games and one 2k game with proxy. I won my first and then lost the other 2. I got absolutely crushed and demoralized, was 6 hours of standing on my feet playing the same guy who just came from a tournament. It wasnt a fun experience. I almost wanted to quit warhammer altogether.

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He told me he was "that guy" in his friend group. soo i guess I walked into a trap.

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I drove an hour to play with him since thats about how far i have to drive to play any warhammer

drowsy ferry
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haha yeah. If you play mean lists you have to be really fucking cool to make up for it lol

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The important things to take away from that are just don't play with that guy again lol

teal fox
teal fox
tepid hedge
candid cargo
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Meanwhile I want to ally mechanicum to bring domitars because they look cool and I can’t do it with a forge lord or praevian. Who cares if it’s good

sullen arrow
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well technically you need 2 troops

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to fill the compulsory troops

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ahh you have that

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well what is he taking for the 1000 points?

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id give him a heads up you intend to bring the spartan

tepid hedge
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idk who id be going against, just anyone else who show up to learn horus heresy

sullen arrow
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playing a spartan in a low point game without a heads up I think would be a bit much

teal fox
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The difficult part these days, is everyone starting out with the AoD box has a Spartan now

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I'd probably still try and avoid taking 1 at 1k though

tepid hedge
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Yeah I may just use bluetac for my shoulder pad and helmet for marines that i want to put the dark angels upgrade kit on and play a more balanced list

sullen arrow
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as long as they are aware you are using one and are fine with it as they have one you are set sunny id just let them know you are brining one is what I was saying

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a lot of people probably wont expect a spartan in 1000 points in my opinion

solemn dock
candid cargo
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I have some castellax too. Need to print some more

drowsy ferry
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I scoop a ton of mechanicum from asia forge because they look cool

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I'll probably do a whole army with them

solemn dock
wild thistle
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I plan on having a mechanicum force for all the rivet counters in my local scene

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Oh what's that you don't like the shade I painted my army? Damn, guess it's robot spam time

tepid hedge
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How about one of these two lists?

teal fox
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Second one looks fun, lots of bodies packed in for 1k

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I'd drop the augery scanners, probably don't need to worry about extensive deep strike at 1k

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Gives you pts for at least a power weapon on the delegatus so he's not a complete pushover

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And 5 pts left, enough to throw a volkite weapon on him too

tepid hedge
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Thanks! Yeah I was leaning towards that list too and thanks for all the tips to adjust the list

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I have to build it all by Thursday 🤣

teal fox
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Oof, that's a lot of minis to build by then

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The one other thing, I love chain bayonets, but finding 80pts in that list is tough

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And if it's stormwing you have to take max squads so can't go down to say 15 each

tepid hedge
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yeah :/

wild thistle
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I still don't love storm wing in low points games. I think deathwing is too strong in low points too so I'll avoid that

teal fox
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The stubborn bonus probably is less important in low pts games

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Also an option to just skip out on a rite all together, esspecially for starting out games

tepid hedge
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Oh I didn’t know that was an option tbh

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I thought we had to have a rite

wild thistle
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Nah rites are optional

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Can someone post the book deathwing rite? I'm on a cruise and don't have a book with me shockingly

sullen arrow
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To be honest for low points games I feel like generic pride of the legion is pretty solid

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I think Stormwing is nice and fluffy for some people which Is nice plan to try it out Myself. Feel like fluff is more important then what’s technically great after much consideration you just need enough to make the list viable and playable against other list

tepid hedge
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I can post a pic of deathwing rite in a moment, just exporting something on my phone so I cant take a picture.

solemn dock
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My local club scene is getting into 30k in a bit way and we're starting with a good slow grow that will culminate in 2k lists later on at the end of the year.

In preperation for that I'm come up with a 2k list I'm looking for advice on. Help an intiate out!?

tepid hedge
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@wild thistle

wild thistle
wild thistle
drowsy ferry
wild thistle
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It's very dumb that dw doesn't give line

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But two heralds would fix that a little

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One max cata blob with a herald and one cenobium with a herald

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A delegatus with a set of companions

teal fox
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Yeah, it's definitely a bummer

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I guess the compromise is getting heart of the legion instead of line

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I'm not sure you want 2 heralds, might want a different consul pick. But I'd certainly take 1

wild thistle
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Heart of the legion is pretty great

teal fox
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Esspecially on 2 wound models

drowsy ferry
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I can see it being a frustrating choice, but IMO giving line troops an important role is better for the game

wild thistle
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Troop tax is definitely real. It's like okay do you want to spend 100 on troops (which are actually pretty great ngl) or do you want to bypass it with a centurion and make something terrifying line

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It's a similar points cost at the end of the day for less bodies

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And then we have things like Suzy's which have line

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Which is a big oof to me

candid cargo
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You know what else is oof? 10 cenobium with a herald, chaplain, and apothecary

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Oh damn, can’t give them that. Only primius medicae

wild thistle
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Yeah can't and also chaplain can be kinda imitated with a het choice

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3 hq on a single unit is also a bit much

candid cargo
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Just a bit

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But imagine shifting them

wild thistle
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Meanwhile iron warriors laughing in tyrants

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Okay this might be the mojitos talking

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But allied detachment

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I can't remember but do you get 1 hq with that?

candid cargo
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Just one. YeAh

wild thistle
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Does it forbid you from taking ally of the same faction? I might be overthinking my love for hqs but I truly want as many as I can get for fun reasons

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Alternatively taking a hq from the traitors who can upgrade to also being a psyker for 45 more points

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So you could have a herald with a discipline

candid cargo
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Pretty sure you can be same faction

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Since it says optional detachments are not required to be the same faction as the primary

drowsy ferry
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How many chars can join a unit?

candid cargo
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As many as you want last I checked

drowsy ferry
wild thistle
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Yeah, except your warlord

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Who has to have a retinue

drowsy ferry
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ah warlord cannot join a unit?

wild thistle
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HRM don't take that as fact I have had a few drinks

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I may be misremembering

drowsy ferry
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lol, no worries

candid cargo
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They aren’t required to take a retinue

wild thistle
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Retinues are pretty flexible though. The command squads are good. The companions are excellent value per point

candid cargo
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And retinue only says the leader they are chosen for has to be part of the squad. No other restrictions in liber astartes

wild thistle
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I would rather take companions or cenobium in the case of the eskaton than put the warlord on something else

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Multiple threats etc

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I'm not sure how rites of war interact with allied detachments. But I'll have to look into it when I get back. It could be a fun way build

teal fox
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Pretty sure each detachment can take a different rite. Unless the rite itself says no allied detachment or something of the like

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You'd also need a master of the legion in each detachment

tepid hedge
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You need an HQ with master of the legion in order to take a rite

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so every 1k points i think?

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so in 3k i think u can take 3 rites?

drowsy ferry
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Can you take an allied detachment of the same legion?

tepid hedge
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thats a good question

drowsy ferry
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ah, i don't think so right?

candid cargo
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The fact that they say are not required implies they can be

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And then again later - all units not part of the same faction as the primary are considered allied units

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I don’t think anyone would say you can’t have a secondary detachment of the same army

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But maybe that’s wrong and it will get faqed

teal fox
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I don't really think you can ally with your own faction

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It certainly doesn't feel like the intention

candid cargo
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Then why call out that the other detachment doesn’t have to be the same faction?

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If it couldn’t be they would say must be different

teal fox
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Because some detachments (lord of war) are gonna be the same faction

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While allies aren't

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I don't really have a rule here to quote for you. Just really doesn't like the intention

candid cargo
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Intention I can believe, but as written you can

tepid hedge
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refined the two lists a bit, which one looks better for learning/fun/1k points?

teal fox
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I guess we'll see if they clear it up when a FAQ drops

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I like the first list more. But I'm also biased towards stormwing so that's always going to catch my eye

tepid hedge
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I am also biased towards stormwing lmao

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dakka and big units is awesome

candid cargo
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As a starter game more line units is probably smart

teal fox
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Yeah it's a good way to start the game

tepid hedge
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like someone else said, I will eventually be getting stuff like cenobium, companions, the lion, etc in the future that the models in this box most likely wont be in my more serious lists.

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I will eventually have a 3k list with and without the lion

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but i do wish there was room for bayonets in that list

drowsy ferry
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So looking at kitting out a pair of sabres. I'm thinking two barebones sabres each with neutron. +15 to add a vulkite calver seems like a good thing to skip.

Any suggestions?

tepid hedge
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Do I need to give each unit a wing?

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So like dreadnought (stormwing) for that +1 on his in-built combi bolter?

drowsy ferry
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Yeah - each unit needs a wing. I think you typically just need to go according to your RoW limitations and if no limitation the best one for that unit

gritty pollen
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At least the wings and orders are free now

teal fox
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Yeah, such a good change

teal fox
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I'd definitely run them as 2 seperate squadrons, unless you need more FA slots

drowsy ferry
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yeah it would be nice to have the versatility model wise to combine split them based on slot wants.

teal fox
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For sure. It also helps with when they get targeted, can't just dump all the shots into one squadron

wild thistle
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I haven't decided if stasis missiles are worth it yet.

drowsy ferry
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What would be a good thing to use em?

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irredemptors don't seem ideal

tepid hedge
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Ok so far the legions being played at my local shop are: Iron Hands, Sons of Horus, Imperial Fists and World Eaters. I am the only DA player atm lol

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whats a good warlord trait for stormwing?

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none of them seem that great tbh

teal fox
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Imo, easy choice for stormwing

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Marshal of the crown, every time

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Make your stubborn tacticals blocks ld9

teal fox
drowsy ferry
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HSS with missiles isn't that bad

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seems like a decent backfield unit and a neat way to get skyfire too

teal fox
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My feeling is that dreadnoughts are very good this edition, so my problem with missiles is they basically do nothing vs dreads

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Autocannons at least have weight of fire/rending

drowsy ferry
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Still learning the game, what weapons are good vs dreads?

gritty pollen
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funnily enough kheres assault cannons are really good into dreads

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can't find the mathhammer right now but it was one of the best weapons against contemptors

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dread fists are also good

teal fox
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Is there anything assault cannons aren't solid against lol

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I haven't really cracked this one myself yet, but lascannons are better than they use to be vs vehicles, and still hurt dreads. Melta too at half range will get the rerolls vs dreads

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Plasma with breaching should also be decent. Actual plasma guns though, sadly not our burners

hidden spruce
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Are cataphractiis that good for us? I might just use them for my 40k dark angel successors

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I think theyre just super expensive points wise

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Or should i save 5 of them for 30k

drowsy ferry
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Ceno seem to be the choice? Though those are quite abit more expensive

hidden spruce
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Yeah i figure if i want terminators, ill sell my kidney to buy more cenobites lol

solemn dock
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What are our thoughts on the fast attack options?
I'm trying to squeeze into a list either some bikes, javelin speeder, arm-chair speeder or a sabre

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Trying to fit in something anti tank/dread

primal bolt
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Are people taking Laser Destroyers or Las Cannon Arrays on the Spartan? What's better?

candid cargo
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And choom sabres are cute too

candid cargo
teal fox
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I laser destroyers are a 0pts upgrade

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But having 2 ordnance weapons means only 1 can shoot. So I'd definitely rather have lascannon arrays. More shots to deal with dreadnoughts

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Not in the same role as javelins or sabers, but I think seekers are always a good addition, esspecially since we can throw firewing on them

gritty pollen
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Can you shoot both if you're stationary?

candid cargo
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The main thing is cost but also what are you using the spartan for. If you’re using it as a party bus you are moving and not getting benefit of the ordnance weapons

teal fox
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Right exactly. If you're taking a Spartan to sit still and shoot lasers, not really the best use

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With the laser destroyers, at least you can move the Spartan full speed to get its passengers where needed, and shoot off one laser array full BS

gritty pollen
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Yeah I'll keep the arrays

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Thoughts on hull mounted bolters vs lascannons for the Spartan?

tepid hedge
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lascannon for that extra firepower

teal fox
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If you have the pts lascannon for sure

gritty pollen
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Thinking havoc launcher for the pintle as well

teal fox
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Spartan is already expensive, I'm not sure I'd throw any pintles on

tepid hedge
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I plan on just hull lascannon and armor

teal fox
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Comes down to the rest of the list though. You need an extra say, vexilla somewhere or do you have pts left for a pintle weapon

chrome ibex
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hello guys 🙂 can someone please help me out with The unbroken Vow rites of war? If I choose a terminator squad as troop choice, will they have the line keyword as well? thx in advance

tepid hedge
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sadly, no

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pride of the legion rite of war does though

chrome ibex
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😦 so I think if we want to use a s..tload of terminators, then the pride of the legion is way beneficial right?

tepid hedge
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I think it only gives compulsory troops line keyword so only 2 squads would get line, but i could be wrong

chrome ibex
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I think u r right, 'cause compulsory choices are: 1 HQ 2 troop

drowsy ferry
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That is a pretty nice buff though. You can also take a herald to get line to something

chrome ibex
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wow, thx for this info! I am pretty new with 30k, so I need to learn more with these combos...

drowsy ferry
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Yeah, a herald seems like a fun way to give line to a deathstar

sullen arrow
# teal fox Make your stubborn tacticals blocks ld9

id also make everyone including the sergeant have a bolter if you need that melee power that is what the centurion can easily fulfill please you are getting that bolter buff so why not run as many as you need in tacs

teal fox
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If I ran centurions in tactical squads, yeah I'd take 0 upgrades on the sarge

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I haven't played around with centurions using the storm of war thing yet, gets those tac squads costing a lot

sullen arrow
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for sure. I think it could be really heplful for challenging contesting targets though but not neccessary in any way. I plan to play some stormwing next week and try it out

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an apothecary as well

teal fox
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O, I'm taking the apothecary first, for sure

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It's an extra character to keep the stubborn bonus, and 20 man blocks it's such a worthwhile investment for fnp

sullen arrow
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I certainly agree.

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I think a centurion will be useful haven’t test it yet but I woudnt give one to every squad probably just one

drowsy ferry
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Pride of the legion RoW seems really strong

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Would need to lean into getting your heavy support via transports or something like a levi talon lol

candid cargo
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problem is the talons can only take drop pods if they are one model

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so no triple levi drop sadly

drowsy ferry
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ah yeah, cannot just walk them up the board?

candid cargo
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you could

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i thought you meant transporting a levi talon

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but you could totally take 3 and walk them

drowsy ferry
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Yeah, no I was saying you get your big guns via transports OR levi talon 😄

scarlet swift
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What are the thoughts on Stormwing? Seems like a pretty good tactical squad/heavy bolter trait to me

drowsy ferry
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yeah, if you are taking blocks of shooty bolter dudes for sure seems like the choice, outside like a RoW where you want them like dreadwing or something

gritty pollen
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Does Stormwing work on heavy bolters? I thought it just worked on bolters and bolt pistols.

drowsy ferry
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yeah you are right

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storm wing vets with combi bolters lol

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though i guess you might as well go tartos a that point

gritty pollen
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Stormwing vets with combi bolters and swords, and a Deathwing Tartaros IC with sword thinkblob

teal fox
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Yeah, stormwing is usually the best rite for tacticals. 2 games on TTS I've tried so far I love my stubborn tactical blocks in the storm of war

kind latch
gritty pollen
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Hatred gives rerolls to hit in the first round of melee, I think it reactivates if you get charged while you're already in melee

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Chaplains have Hatred (Everything)

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Seems pretty decent to me

candid cargo
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If you have the hq slot and are using the cenobium or cataphractii as a beat stick, probably

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Otherwise they are mostly fine by themselves with a different character for buffs like a herald or primus medicae

teal fox
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That being said, chaplain is a great buff absolutely worth it on a large terminator block

wild thistle
teal fox
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Uh... I can't speak to that, idk what the playtest 3 version said

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Oooo no

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Ignore me, just talking without peaking open my rulebook

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You're absolutely right. If you're locked in combat with a unit for multiple rounds, and then you get charged by another unit, you get your hatred rerolls back

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Good stuff

wild thistle
teal fox
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Yep I'm wrong ignore me haha

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Even more of a reason why chaplains are great

wild thistle
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Chaplain. Preferred enemy. Heke bonus. You could really make a blender

tepid hedge
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can sergeants of tac squads take bolters?

gritty pollen
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yes, they don't lose their bolter unless they replace it

sudden vector
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I think they can take those in addition

gritty pollen
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The sergeant may replace his bolter with a combi weapon

tepid hedge
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For stormwing it seems pointless having a melee with plasma pistol sergeant

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So I was thinking stay with bolter or nemesis bolter if that’s an option

gritty pollen
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a tactical sergeant can only replace his bolter with a minor or magna combi weapon

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so you could take a combi bolter I think

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but tbh I think having a couple extra bolter shots isn't as valuable as something like a power fist

tepid hedge
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Would you suggest a power fist over a basic power sword?

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I posted my stormwing 1k list

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Here’s the list for my 1k point learning league or whatever my local shop is calling it

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It’s 1,000 on the dot if I did the math right

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Every unit is taking stormwing for +1

drowsy ferry
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Very nice. Are Terranic the way to go over Paragon blades for praetors?

gritty pollen
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Terranic swords are flat out better than paragon blades yeah

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Paragon Blade: S+1 AP2 Murderous Strike (6+) Specialist Weapon
Terranic Greatsword: S+2 AP3 Two-handed Rending (5+) Murderous Strike (5+)

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any DA IC with a power fist may exchange for a greatsword for free and it counts as a power weapon

tepid hedge
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Wonder if my list can do anything to other 1k lists. Not sure what kind of stuff iron hands, world eaters, imperial fists take

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I might win if I play for the objectives

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But I really just am going to the shop to learn how to play first before winning

candid cargo
tepid hedge
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Maybe have the praetor roll with the termies

candid cargo
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And the fact that any rend is also ID is just sweet against 2+ armour multi wound models

gritty pollen
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Yeah I like to imagine it bisecting terminators

candid cargo
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I’ve heard good things about a few thunder hammers in with the cenobites with terranic great swords anyway for just such an occasion

gritty pollen
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I'm planning on eventually getting 1x10 cenobium with 4 hammers

drowsy ferry
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hmm deathwing companions look really well priced. Are those mainly just an optional retinue for a praetor?

gritty pollen
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FW is expensive

candid cargo
candid cargo
gritty pollen
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they stop precision attacks with one of their special rules

candid cargo
drowsy ferry
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hmmm jetpack companions look like they would slap

gritty pollen
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in 1.0 apparently they could accompany the Lion in terminator armor

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shame they axed that

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maybe they'll add a "Deathwing Companions (The Five Hundred)" datasheet in one of those free PDFs

teal fox
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Mostly a modelling issue. Though jump packs on the fw guys probably works

drowsy ferry
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Yeah, 3d printing ftw for sure

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I've got all the nice bits to make it work

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Nice fun little deathstar potential that wouldn't need a ride I guess?

solemn dock
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Planning on running a group of mine with a Herald and the Praetor

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And thowing in an apothecray

teal fox
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Which combi weapon are you running, volkite?

solemn dock
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That's the plan yeah

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Not sure if it's overkill or not

solemn dock
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I'll magnitise them during the build so I can run jump packs as well while I work out how I want to run them

teal fox
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I mean, they'll absolutely shred stuff

tepid hedge
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Do cenobium have a specific wing they MUST take?

teal fox
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But it's also a lot of eggs in one basket. Usually a melee weapon upgrade and gun upgrade feels expensive on infantry

teal fox
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Though seeing as they have swords, deathwing is definitely their best option

tepid hedge
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Would the Lion, corswain, 10 cenobium, 5 companions be too many eggs/points in one basket

teal fox
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I mean, it's not one basket, because it's 2 different units

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And depending on how you upgrade companions, they can actually stay relatively cheap for an elite melee unit

tepid hedge
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Corswain and companions roll together and then Lion and cenobium together

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Or whatever

solemn dock
tepid hedge
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Yeah I think cenobium can only use a spartan too

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Or I could be mistaken

teal fox
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I mean, I don't think it's the wrong choice. Just feels expensive

solemn dock
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Does anyone think there's a sweet spot in the amount of interemptors to take in a unit?
Delivery by Land Raider.

I see a lot of people saying take the full squad of 10 and some saying no more than 7-8

teal fox
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If you're gonna go all out on a raider, maybe 10?

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But templates can be hard to place for a big unit

solemn dock
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Yeah, that's what I'm hearing

tepid hedge
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I feel like interemptors don’t look too unique that I could just put 10 plasma guns on mk6 with the new dark angels helmets coming out with the new shoulders too

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But at that point it may cost as much as interemptors so nvm

teal fox
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You could, but then you'd have the burning knowledge that those plasma guns aren't actual plasma burners

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Which, you might not care about. It would annoy me lol

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I also think interemptors are more a mkIII type armor unit

tepid hedge
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I’ve seen people clip off the flamer thing and glue it to the bottom of plasma

teal fox
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I have as well, still not as cool as the actual unit

tepid hedge
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I’m more worried about the interemptors looking like hobbits next to mk6

teal fox
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You do you though, it's the first DA specific unit I've ordered

tepid hedge
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Anyone have pic comparison?

teal fox
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Nothing some cork on the base won't fix

tepid hedge
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I’ve never tried cork that people use

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Where do u get it

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Like Amazon or something? What’s it called? Cork board?

teal fox
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Cork board, cork tiles, something like that. Yeah Amazon, Michaels, any craft store. It's cheap

tepid hedge
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I’m a basic GW guy I never use any 3rd party stuff lol I go to a GW official store so 3D printing is out of the question but basing materials is forsure allowing

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Allowed*

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I’d love a side by side comparison if you can remember when your interemptors arrive

teal fox
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Ah, nothing wrong with that. But yeah cork is fine for GW official

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If you don't get one before then, certainly can do

tepid hedge
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Yeah Idk how to implement any forgeworld dark angels to stormwing

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Not sure where my next step is after age of darkness

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May just be another 20 man squad

teal fox
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I mean, that's the beauty of the storm of war rite

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You can load up a core of stormwing tacticals

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And still take say, deathwing cenobium. And dreadwing interemptors

tepid hedge
#

I forsure want the Lion

uncut summit
tepid hedge
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And cenobium

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But I’m hoping for a Corswain model too

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But that may never happen

uncut summit
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I expect he has a model in the pipeline. His rules survived the character purge of the new edition.

tepid hedge
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The Lion and Corswain together sounds perfect since I think he was his right hand

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So hard to learn about his lore tbh

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All I know is the lion stabbed kairos and said “did you see this coming?”

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And he beat up xenos and Luther raised him

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And Luther betrayed him

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Out of jealousy

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But not gonna lie Luther seemed op

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For a non primarch

uncut summit
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There's actually a lot of DA books in the Horus Heresy. Some are of questionable quality.

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I can dig up my reading order list and message it to you if you want

tepid hedge
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Perfect I’d love that

solemn dock
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I really hope we see a Luther mini

tepid hedge
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Since he’s not in Horus heresy book he might show up in 40k

teal fox
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I'd very much like to see him and some traitor rules at some point

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Even if it's just a warlord trait or something simple

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Showing up in 40k, no thanks

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Just give us some post siege of terra/scouring era action

tepid hedge
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After losing so badly in my first 9th Ed 40k games last weekend I’m putting it on pause

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1k points of thousand sons is fine for now lol

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Way too many things to keep track of, can’t tell if my opponent is pulling rules out of his ass lol

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I also just got into blood bowl and I have an AoS army so I think Horus heresy will be my main game for a while

drowsy ferry
#

Looking at that with console and rapier quad launchers. That is too short of range to likely be too useful right?

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drowsy ferry
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Seemed cool with Eskaton

hidden spruce
primal bolt
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you can get two of these and then run them with the termies

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expensive in a way, but it's one thing you can do

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Spartans with 10 terminators and a Herald..

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In a way Unbroken Vow is stronger since they'll get Heart of the Legion and other great bonuses

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In Pride they get Line which in this edition is for sure very strong, but I think you can build an Unbroken Vow list that will be very strong

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Btw, can Apothecaries join already joined up units? like can you take an Unbroken Vow Termie unit with a Herald + an Apothecary?

chrome ibex
# primal bolt as others said they won't have Line, but what you CAN do is join them up with a ...

This is my plan for Friday’s 1750 game:
Rites of war: PRIDE OF THE LEGION
Hexa.: DEATHWING
Warlord trait: ?

HQ:

  • Preator (warlord) - master crafted volkite charger + caliban warblade (152)
  • Tartaros Centurion Herald - caliban warblade + standard bearer (100)
  • Tartaros centurion chaplain - master crafted caliban warblade (115)
    Troop:
  • Tartaros termi x5 - 1x reaper autocannon + 4x caliban warblade + 4x combi bolter (185)
  • (compulsary choice) Tartaros termi x5 - 1x reaper autocannon + 4x caliban warblade + 4x combi bolter (185)
  • (comulsary) 10x Cataprachtii termi - 10 power fist + combi bolter + Dedicated transport: spartan - flare shield (665)
    Heavy:
  • Predator squadron - 1x base loadout + 1x lascanons (255)
    Sum: 1657 (max: 1750)

What do u think? 🙂

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Chaplain will join the 10 men cataprachtii squad

mint quartz
#

That list seems way to top heavy for 1750 points with 3 HQ

chrome ibex
#

I have no experience in 1ED nor I cannot really see the combos yet, but my goal was to bring a full deathwing army with as much lines as I can.

gritty pollen
primal bolt
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You dont need a Herald with Pride of the Legion

mint quartz
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Also looking closer normal tartaros can't take calibanite warblades, those are only for characters e.g. the sergeants or higher

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And sadly power swords on the whole unit wont be that effective, I'd recommend claws against normal Marines, and power fists if you plan on taking on other elites

tepid hedge
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Don’t deathwing swords get +1 to wound?

mint quartz
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It's +1 to hit

hidden spruce
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I don't think the basic terminators can take warblades either if they aren't characters

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I'd drop them regardless to get a whole bunch more points

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for any ICs take the terranic greatsword instead

chrome ibex
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ok, I missed the character part of the rules! 😦 s..t! 😦 Let me review my plan, and find a way to clear my list. thx for the reminder!!!

chrome ibex
primal bolt
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true :) Forgot about that

teal fox
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You don't need that many line troops at 1750

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One of the small Terminator squads can skip being line

drowsy ferry
#

Looking at that with console and rapier quad launchers. That is too short of range to likely be too useful right?

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teal fox
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I mean, rapier will have other ammo if that's not in range. I'd say it's worth it in the esketron imperative, create more dangerous terrain

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The phosphex shells on the arquitor might be longer range

drowsy ferry
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Yeah, Levi phosphex looks fun too

timber steppe
#

So I'm thinking of how to best abuse Marduk Sedras, thinking of going Eskaton, because he is Dreadwing anyway, taking either a spartan or a Land raider with a command squad to give his aura at the beginning of the game as big a spread as possible, and then designing the army with a block of units that can deploy near his land raider, get preferred enemy, then spread out.

You only need a single model in range of his 6Inch bubble for each unit, as the preferred enemy effects the whole unit if at least one model has it, so you can do things like Jetbikes with Volkite, Land Speeders, and Assault marines who can tag a single model in, then move away quickly to cover the board.

Tanks also get it, so things like Sicarans really enjoy the rerolls of 1.

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Also, fun tip for people utilizing Despoilers, throw a Veteran squad with snipers in your army, alongside the sniper rifles you can give the squad Missile Launchers with Stasis missiles, so you end up with a relentless squad that can shoot light vehicles with their snipers and krak missiles, gives you a couple more flak missiles, AND when shooting the sergeant out of a squad before your despoilers charge you can force a pin check AND a concussion check on that unit before your Despoilers go in, allowing you better chances of weakening the unit before your unit charges.

teal fox
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Marduk gets cenobium as his retinue squad, I'd definitely go for them over a generic command squad with him in a land raider/Spartan, depending on how many you take

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Pretty much anything benefits from preferred enemy, so I'd be taking whatever you like for esketron

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Sniper/statis missile vets sounds like a fun combo

timber steppe
# teal fox Marduk gets cenobium as his retinue squad, I'd definitely go for them over a gen...

Honestly, I wouldn't, a normal command squad can get combi weapons and come with the banner for line. Marduk is beast enough that he will kill most things he gets in combat with, so having the squad he is in give him shooting options and Line forces your opponent to have to deal with his unit sooner or later. You dont want to reach a point where he and his 5 inner circle are so expensive the opponent just ignores them.

And actually some things dont, like twin linked weapons dont really care for preferred enemy, so some Sicarans like the Omega arent as optimal, but a normal Sicaran loves it.

teal fox
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That's all a fair point. But rule of cool, if I have the option for cenobium command squad, I'm taking it

#

Normal sicaran does have twin linked on the main gun no?

timber steppe
teal fox
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Even if it's twin linked, you get reroll wound rolls so it's not nothing

#

Absolutely, I need that at some point

timber steppe
timber steppe
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Both the base Sicaran and the Punisher variant love Preferred enemy.

teal fox
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Really, dang. It's weird sometimes how they pick what's twin linked what's not

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Well anyway, yeah more reason for preferred enemy on a sicaran

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Ironwing too, handy buff for sicarans

timber steppe
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Yeah. I think that utilizing Escator + prefered enemy can make a mean Dark Angels list. Sedres is one of the best characters in the game because of how good that buff is.

teal fox
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Yeah Sedras is crazy good

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And definitely goes well in esketron

timber steppe
#

Its so wierd how his warlord trait is getting a command squad, you would think they would have made his aura bubble at the start of the game his warlord trait instead. But he is old and wiser then us, he probably does it like that for his own reasons.

grim rose
#

So guys, favourite rite of war?

timber steppe
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Probably Escaton from the Dark Angels, it gives you the most use without the drawbacks, but Serpents Bane and just generic Pride of the Legion are very good.

Dark Angels are one of those legions where you dont really need a rite of war.

drowsy ferry
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Yeah Eskaton and Pride of the legion are the ones that jump out at me

timber steppe
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The others all force your HQs to be the same wing as the units you want to take, when the best part of Dark Angels is having your HQ being able to change the wings on the fly.

tepid hedge
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What does eskaton do?

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I don’t have my book next to me atm

drowsy ferry
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warcrimes

grim rose
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Ah pride of the legion? That's interesting, how come?

drowsy ferry
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line to terminators

timber steppe
# tepid hedge What does eskaton do?

Everything outside deployment zones is difficult terrain, you get to place two 6 inch radius Dangerous Terrain circles on the table as well, you get destroyers and interemptors as troops (they dont get line), anything in your army with dreadwing auto passes dangerous terrain tests, and you get +1 to wound units in dangerous terrain while shooting dreadwing units, BUT you have to take Dreadwing warlord, your troops have to be dreadwing and no allies

grim rose
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Also worth noting that it means anything that treats difficult as dangerous, now becomes safe to move in that no man's land.

timber steppe
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Yeah, assault squads with dreadwing ignore dangerous terrain tests, while your opponent has to deal with the difficult terrain.

drowsy ferry
grim rose
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Yep, jetpacks, outriders etc. And ... mortis destroyers is it?

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Which seems thematic

drowsy ferry
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Yeah - it is almost too mean of an ROW if they have their own dudes like that lol

tepid hedge
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That RoW is insane lol

#

But expensive $ too

drowsy ferry
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That is the secret, they all are!

sullen arrow
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That’s how they get you in right

tepid hedge
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That’s what’s a bummer for me, I won’t be expanding past AoD for a while

plush ermine
#

Hmm. I have a pack of 5 Kromlech sniper rifles and some arms to go with them... I think I've got 6 spare Mk4 guys on sprue floating around... That's a nice little spicy meatball of a unit.

tepid hedge
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Mainly focusing on shoulder and helmet upgrade kit then learning the game the best I can to understand what’s good and what’s not and have fun with stormwing

teal fox
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Storm of War is my jam, it's what made me want to play dark angels

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But I'm definitely interested in trying serpents bane at some point

plush ermine
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It's what I built up as my first dark angels list for my first and last games of 1.0 at adepticon.

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I got blown off the table pretty badly but it was a good learning experience. Didn't help that my first game was against a Blood Angels Recon Company with a Sanguinius Death Star + 2 Cortex, 1 Regular contemptor and 16 sisters of silence and 1 Contemptor Galatus...

teal fox
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It's been a long time since I played 1.0 so I'm a little out of date, but storm of war seems to me like it was in rough shape back then

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The prevelance of way more ap2/3 shooting and large blasts was rough for tactical blobs

plush ermine
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It was. Here's roughly what I had in the list.
HQ: "Smash" Praetor. 2 Rapier Laser Destroyers, 3 Apothecaries (1 jump, 2 foot), 2x20 Tac w bonus ccw and Centurion w Terranic GS, 1 x 20 Assault with Combat Shields and Melta Bombs, 1 x 10 Assault w Meltas, 2 x 10 Tac, 2 x Neutron Blaster+HB Sabre, 2 x Melta + Grav Speeder, 3 x Pred Cannon + Las Sponson preds.

grim rose
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Given pride of the legion is being recommended, what would you take as your heavy support?

teal fox
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Leviathan is always a good option because 1 talon gets you multiple models that can operate independently

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But they do be expensive. So if you wanted something cheaper, I'd say a vehicle squadron or your choice for anti tank shooting

timber steppe
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I love stormwing because it gives the units stubborn. Wish you could make the centurion in each unit a consol, that would make it way more interesting being bale to have a librarian in one, a paladin in another, a chaplain in a third ect.

teal fox
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O yeah, love my stubborn tactical blocks. Makes them so much better, esspecially once you stack on some LD buffs

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I haven't tried adding centurions yet, I want an apothecary and centurions on top of that starts making them expensive units

tepid hedge
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Oh you can’t make centurions a special consul for stormwing?

#

Storm of war*

candid cargo
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not the ones added to squads per the RoW, no

timber steppe
tepid hedge
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I thought it said consul in the wording but idk

#

So much to absorb

timber steppe
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Yeah, you cant upgrade those centurions, you can take normal centurions as HQ choices and upgrade them, but not the ones leading your tactical squads.

drowsy ferry
#

You can still pimp out their wargear all you want

timber steppe
#

Outside of Storm Wing, in my normal Dark Angel squads I have a 20 man tactical squad with an apothecary, chainswords, stormwing and have them joined by a Paladin with Deathwing, so the unit is ld10 stubborn with a combat monster in there and the ability to be stormwing or deathwing when needed

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Its a giant ball of fuck off.

teal fox
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Boy those chainswords though get real pricey on tacticals

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I know it works well with swapping to deathwing from that paladin, but I feel like chain bayonets are a much better bargain for your pts

timber steppe
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Yeah, but the unit is insanely durable on an objective and can hold off most units while the Paladin cuts them up or buys time for the other units I have to sweep in.

teal fox
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Right, they don't need chainswords though to be durable

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Rather save 60pts go for bayonets

drowsy ferry
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Pride of the legion storm wing blob would be hilarious too lol

teal fox
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Why? Pride does nothing for tacs

tepid hedge
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Just pray you don’t get hit with blast templates

drowsy ferry
teal fox
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So you're saying vet stormwing blobs in pride?

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Cause tacs are better of with storm of war

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I'd probably rather run vets with deathwing over stormwing

drowsy ferry
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yeah

grim rose
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What hq has to be added to tac squads, a centurion? How are they?

sullen arrow
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Centurions are very good

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They can be made to do a lot

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Clearly consuls are better for a more specialized role but more expensive

grim rose
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If you have the book to hand are you able to post an image of the centurion stats?

sullen arrow
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Sadly I’m at work

plush ermine
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it's funny. I was thinking about doing a couple 10 man breacher squads for potential ZM work. I think now I'm going to just use the 9 mk3 bodies that aren't done yet (did one test model for these pop goes the monkey shields) for 9 Kromlech Lascannons instead.

drowsy ferry
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Hobby question I know, but any favorite basing ideas for DA? I'm thinking martian red earth will contrast the black armor well

tepid hedge
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I was going for snowy to contrast the black

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Haven’t decided yet

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If you’re doing that rite of war for dangerous terrain I’d make the bases all radiated or something green glow or something

drowsy ferry
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IMO snowy is super hard to do well

gritty pollen
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@drowsy ferry something tan or orange-red, I'm doing a bit of both

teal fox
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I am also struggling on the bases question lol

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I'm stuck between martian redish desert, and more typical yellowish desert

wild thistle
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The base question is made easier if you're using split complementary colour and a warm/cold contrast.

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Warm red green on the decals, cold blues/turq on base

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Instead of snow you could also do: blue volcanic or blue sand

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I do cold blue sand with a red warm red bronze

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White and black are complementary to all colours so on black armor the theme holds true, and you can go to white on your bases from teal

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Going for martian earth is an analogous scheme and it works, but without a third colour it doesn't pop as much

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So this is another take on the split complementary. Notice the yellow rust and the blue glow makes the scheme pop

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If you're going for eskaton it's a great excuse to use irradiated green tbh

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Or like a plutonium blue

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Martian iron crust with blue isotope crystals

teal fox
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Definitely would be cool for esketron

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For myself I'm going for storm of war, so it's back to the normal desert vs Martian debate

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I definitely see what you mean about the Martian red not popping as much, with a cool color to complement it

uncut summit
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I usually base with astrogranite/equivalent color. The grey works nice with most color schemes and you can drybrush with grey/blue paints like russ grey and fenrisian grey to give it some depth.

random perch
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Are plasma burners locked to deathwing?

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Oh wait these guys are dreadwing

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Ok that makes more sense lol

uncut summit
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And I prefer colder highlights on black armor so I use russ grey with DA armor too

candid cargo
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Interemptors are locked to dreadwing, but you can take plasma burners on other models and make them a different wing

teal fox
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Astrogranite is great, I've just done that for almost all my previous armies it's fine for a change lol

random perch
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Torrent doesn’t work around corners in ZM right

candid cargo
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I wouldn’t think so

teal fox
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Think you still need line of sight

random perch
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Right

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What’s the advantage of interemptors over TSS plasma burners.

teal fox
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Interemptors are also, stupidly undercoated compared to TSS

random perch
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Seems like you’d love to be able to take an apothecary

teal fox
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Or maybe plasma repeaters/burners are too expensive as an upgrade, is the way to look at it

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It's what 25pts/m alone for the burner, not counting the actual marine? That's craziness when interemptors are 125 for 5

candid cargo
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Yeah, no apothecary in interemptors but that’s fine. They are there to discourage people

random perch
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Holy cow

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Ok

teal fox
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Yeah you want burners, you take interemptors

random perch
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Oh so u pay for plasma gun first to swap it to a plasma burner

drowsy ferry
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@random perch nice to see you on The Rock

random perch
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That’s

teal fox
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Yep

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It's kinda a bummer

random perch
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I’m looking at all my TW STLs

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And my inability to figure out how to make an IW ZM list that isn’t just like

wild thistle
random perch
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Throw tac marines with chain bayonets at the problem until it stops moving, then send tyrants to shell whatever’s left

drowsy ferry
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I don't see an issue there

random perch
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Very thematic for IW

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Does seem like a mess to play

candid cargo
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Toss phosphex at it until Everything glows. Then walk in and mop up the rest

random perch
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Does every wing have an inner circle

teal fox
drowsy ferry
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Yeah, hard to go wrong with red iron and some wee tufts lol

candid cargo
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So there’s the wings then the hekatonystika. The inner circle represents the latter

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Wings are broad methods of war. Hekatonystika is specialized. Like rangda or daemon fighters. Good at killing big stuff or hordes

random perch
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Ah, makes sense

candid cargo
teal fox
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Duncan has a good guide on the academy for Martian base, probably going to follow that

wild thistle
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Some bright blue crystals can never go astray

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Or phosphex green flame osl

candid cargo
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$64 for a spartan seems legit. I might have to pick it up

teal fox
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I think they'll probably stay cheap for awhile. People grabbing 2x age of darkness boxes for more marines/dreads often aren't gonna need the Spartan

drowsy ferry
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Yeah, unless those boxes dry up, even then tons of spartans out in the wild

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and salty people when they see how easy they die

teal fox
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Maybe that's why they need 2 lol

random perch
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Are terranic greatswords… good?

drowsy ferry
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very good

random perch
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S6 AP3 murderous strike rending seems like

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Worse than S8 AP2

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OH

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Two handed is not strikes at I1

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Two handed is no +1 attack for having a bolt pistol

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Ok

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Yeah that does seem pretty dope

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You have pretty good odds of killing a marine with each stroke

candid cargo
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Hit on 3s, wound in 2s. Against 2+ they are also 5+ rend (ap2) and instant death. And yeah, at initiative, so they are nasty

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Still want a few thunder hammers in a unit for generic ap2 and brutal, but by themselves the terranic great swords are still legit

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And that’s assuming the unit isn’t deathwing

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If they are you hit on 2s

sudden vector
random perch
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Hitting at initiative is very cool

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Honestly kinda wanna just paint everything black lol

tepid hedge
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What a beast

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Maybe I should base my army off of lions base since I want to add him to the army someday

random perch
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So reaper of hosts

hidden spruce
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I am once again asking for opinions on whether hss with missile launchers w/stasis shells are worth it

random perch
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You expect to get 2-3 extra attacks on a 5 man squad charging a 10 man squad and all 5 in on a 20

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That seems underwhelming

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Am I missing smth?

random perch
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On the other hand 5 concussive blasts seems like a very cool way to force a save thru

swift mango
grim rose
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What do stasis missiles do? Have the concussion rule?

swift mango
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If you hit the model with a weapon that has concussion you reduce the initiative by one.

grim rose
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Oh wow. No test just a flat debuff?