Horus heresy 3.0 rule book leak

[frank onyx]

Haha I know just piggy backing off your comment

[digital igloo]

Not just for Dark Elves mad about Age of Sigmar, anymore! lol

[heavy wind]

Space wolves got gutted for pretty much no reason

[balmy creek]

Expect legion plastics sooner than you think

[dull jewel]

high quality overall, I hope they put in the unit kitbash options and diorama requirements in

[swift gull]

I miss marcus already 😦

[hard pewter]

Literally ever is sooner than I expect

[worn hound]

Fuck everybody I'm playing custodes

[heavy wind]

Legion plastics tomorrow…

[low dune]

Damn I'm awaiting the day someone does that to their 30k army with trepidation 🤣🤣

[wraith pasture]

I wonder how long it will take for them to start coming out and which legions will get first pickings

[quiet pier]

I think that the ones who should really be salty AF are the RG, GW literally took a shit on Corax.
To be fair he was too insane in 2e, but now he's literally worthless

[verbal stirrup]

I think there's a fundamental difference between that and a new edition because black books only (generally) gave you options to work with, while new editions pigeonhole you until your new stuff comes out

My issue isn't with changes to gameplay, my issue is with the removal of options

[late sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[worn hound]

Saturday

[digital igloo]

Nah, they totally changed how lists were built.

[balmy creek]

The warsmith was the last resin praetor

[random knot]

its gonna be outer circle, he'll burn his army and ill be laughin.

[wraith plank]

the core rule is looking a lot more solid than 2e that's for sure, will have to wait for full liber to see the rest

[delicate mist]

I think my favourite salty take of the day is: primarchs are fucking garbage now, can't even kill terminators

[frank onyx]

I think we all get too invested at times, 10th had my friends raging but I gave it a chance and Idk just played it for the fun of it rather than focus on that stuff that wasn't fun, I played smaller games and just focused on making the game as fun as possible, try and challenge myself and make sure me and my friends had a good time and not worry about winning or losing and then I just felt a lot better.

[worn hound]

They didn't get a non-terminator one though?

[digital igloo]

lol, maybe he should smash a sheet cake with his new rules written on it.

[balmy creek]

Correct

[random knot]

and they are ass too lol

[low dune]

That boy about to put the whole of the Australian Salt industry outta business once he sees the rules 🤣

[worn hound]

Isn't he making his own rules?

[charred geyser]

I usually skip TOC, but this'll be a good vid

[digital igloo]

They could be fine, they could be great, they could be trash; totally irrelevant, as no one will play them.

[languid badger]

With all kinds of flame weapons causing LD checks with negative modifiers by just causing a single wound it's way more relevant already

[delicate mist]

I don't want to give him a view but I enjoy seeing him get mad

[left pond]

Yeah, for me I just moved on from the system. But I think theres enough good things about heresy for me to stick around for now. If not ill float the idea of returning to 2nd for awhile.

[random knot]

i can hear his salt from here without needing to watch his stuff.

[digital igloo]

I do find him funny; I bring my bags to game in a Book 7 Prospero Photoshop tourists tote bag.

[kindred ledge]

Lemme guess....Glaive only?

[heavy wind]

I have a bit of faith for 3.0 I’m gonna try it and see if they are cooking before I really say it’s jover

[ancient robin]

the salt speaks to those with ears to listen

[low dune]

Is he? Don't watch much of him anymore, I agree with some of his points and salt like a fair few of the people here. I just have the ability to understand the overall picture of its just a hobby

[wraith pasture]

Plastic. That's the only material you'll know. Plastic. It means the end and the death of Resin. Plastic. I am made of plastic. Plastic is all around you. Plastic is in the man beside you. Plastic will be added to your pile of shame. Look out! Plastic legion is here.

[verbal stirrup]

Yeah and what he's shown off make the 9th age's ruleset look like a master class in faction balance

[frank onyx]

Yh he's a bit toxic isn't he? I just don't understand how you can be that jilted and angry and still be a fan, at that point it feels like "of you're so mad at this whole hobby why do it?" I think that a lot about people's reactions

[kindred ledge]

If true....then that Glaive better be amazing

[primal hedge]

Have there been anymore leaks since this one?

[wraith plank]

I enjoyed a lot of his videos, but recently I think he has gone to the deep end

[kindred ledge]

RG have no right to complain with that insane Legion rule

[digital igloo]

You have to understand the delusion of the content creator: as soon as someone pays you (albeit a pittance) to bloviate, you feel as though your arguments are suddenly burnished.

[random knot]

theres a psychology paper here somewhere, however i do not wonder over the mental state of others for it does not concern me.

[narrow saffron]

[worn hound]

To be fair he really did try and make a lot of good videos for beginners at the beginning of 2.0

[tired furnace]

what are examples of missing wargear

[kindred ledge]

So far, it's been White Scars that has been shat on. Unless they have been blessed by like 4 attacks, the two Legion melee units are doing nothing

[elfin lynx]

Calling it now, most Primarchs are going to be as good in a fight as alpharius always has been and you all can know our pain

[desert nexus]

@elfin lynx maybe you can add terminator armor on the unit profile

[frank onyx]

Amen to that brother

[upbeat tide]

He's making his own edition (it's not very good), it's funny to see people shill it

[tawny bay]

bikes losing melta guns and flamers

[wraith pasture]

Is this some sort of new mod warning sticker

[worn hound]

Pretty much all units only come with what is in the box or kit now.

[kindred ledge]

Ye but..

Did we ever get him for that? The main reason was Insidious Mastermind

[tired furnace]

what about marines upgrade kits

[elfin lynx]

Well no, you're totally right, but boy it felt bad getting caught in melee

[acoustic gale]

Oh is this No Model No Rules knocking on the door?

[narrow saffron]

I'd have to kill you if I told you the answer.

[delicate mist]

Imagine if it worked on tanks xD

[kindred ledge]

*Outriders bikes, not jetbikes

[tropic solar]

but will they all have his army rules

[wraith plank]

I think a lot of customization options might have gone to the command squad

[frank onyx]

Oh dear, he should just take a step back and just remember what makes this hobby fun, collecting, painting and playing with some mates over some beers.

[tired furnace]

they said in an interview they wanted the libers to be whatever you can get in a box and be more liberal with kitbash in the tactica journals

[digital igloo]

Wait, outriders no longer have the options from their kit?

[rose chasm]

I wonder if the IF rule works on tanks

[hard pewter]

Thats fine cuz we cant score anyway.

[quiet pier]

this is what's especially fucked, they make such a BS rule and strip their primarch from everything

[near hull]

Object-permanence marines discover camo-netting

[tawny bay]

but they did get shotguns

[wraith plank]

would be great that whoever leaking the liber could screen some command squad options

[wraith pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-world-of-warcraft-wow-how-do-you-kill-that-which-has-no-life-no-life-gif-18347088

[rose chasm]

Well let’s hope Huscarls get better storm shields in their journal entry cos lol

[kindred ledge]

Which is BS, they still have strong tools

[worn hound]

They've been plugged for some time

[olive vale]

Anyone got eyes on blood angels details?

[onyx condor]

You think they might get combis back when that becomes an actual upgrade kit?

[kindred ledge]

Unless the Legion Detachment fixes that ye....if it doesn't, I am not playing my Mongols in 3. There is no point. Will just field my Alpha Legion then

[worn hound]

Only no assault cannons for angel's tears

[random knot]

if they make the kit work for them.

[delicate mist]

I do worry that alot of the army building flavour will be baked into the primarchs, the buffs that corax provides are no joke but would have been cool to just be there

[rose chasm]

+1 S on charge and huh angel tears maybe losing the assault cannon access?

[hard pewter]

So far legion detachments we've seen havent added rules

[digital igloo]

Since they were full models, does one really expect they'll be reduced to an upgrade kit?

[delicate mist]

They might have vanguard?

[worn hound]

Yeah, I don't want two primarchs going at it at literally every backwater engagement ffs

[wraith plank]

they'll most likely have upgrade kit, the amount of combi available for vet is a bit too much for old resin

[kindred ledge]

LOL, so unless the prime benefit in that detachment grants it.... it's gon be bad

[random knot]

i was using primarchs in my lists anyway

[balmy creek]

No ass cannons on angels tears

Angels tear grenade launchers are shit

Dawnbreakers lost their sword option

Legion rules is +1s on charge

[desert girder]

Think about this for just a second, your 20 man despoiler squad just got nailed by a 10 man flamer support squad, you suffer heavy casualties, now you don’t run, but now HAVE to charge back into them to give them a free flamer volley because not only is it a situational catchup mechanic, they decided to put a DRAWBACK on it and when you go back in, you can still rout because it only blocks the first fail.

Like, if you squint you can try to imagine scenarios where it’s not complete dog shit, but the fact that you have to imagine these scenarios in the first place only shows how niche this rule actually is.

[kindred ledge]

Only Outriders bikes, and only Vanguard one. Which is blatantly not enough

[wraith plank]

like, the old resin combis aren't even compatible with modern hh marine arms

[delicate mist]

Oh and sanguinius is dead

[digital igloo]

Are you referring to Combis, which have had resin kits, or Mor Deythan, which are a complete model kit?

[olive vale]

Damn

[warped arrow]

So i have a theory for lack of destroyers. I think they might get folded into vets. They've already said vets can take the disintegrator weapons, which sounds destoyer to me.

[onyx condor]

No I mean plastic combis.

[balmy creek]

Agree

[digital igloo]

They are compatible with Mor Deythan arms. lol

[kindred ledge]

But eh....if I am hearing this correctly, everyone has been hit by the nerf sledgehammer?

[olive vale]

That fucken blows

[delicate mist]

We have the vets profile and I don't think they van take pistols en masse

[verbal stirrup]

Only thing really is that vets can't take rad grenades or double pistols

[near hull]

Except the RG legion rule so far

[digital igloo]

You mean, like the 3-option ones from the mk4 kit?

[dim pasture]

Not sure what that really provides, like of course it is but it doesn't change how bad of choice it is.

[kindred ledge]

I can be okay with it if the Legion rules all work and so what they supposed to do and one Legion does not clearly have better units than the others

[digital igloo]

Yeah, it does seem impossible to represent Destroyers with rules. I guess they must be coming in PDF.

[worn hound]

It doesn't even matter because they can't take them

[desert girder]

Rg has the worst nerf of all, rules so broken no one will want to play with you.

Who on earth ok’d those rules lmao

[near hull]

Yeah, that's why I'm keeping my complaining to my other groups. I'm curious to see it all

[digital igloo]

That would be better for the game. Still, people will be mad about lost cheese.

[balmy creek]

On the plus side I can finally play imperial fists

[narrow saffron]

Yay

[onyx condor]

Yeah since now there are way more than three combi types. And Combi-disintegrators already come in plastic.

[desert nexus]

Destroyers can't be gone they are still selling them and there's some in the store up london

[kindred ledge]

I will say, that smash to my Golden Keshig hurts like a mofo. S5 AP1 dmg 1 and Breaching 5. And they used to have 1 attack each with brutal 3 ID weapons.

So hopefully they have like 4 attacks each oof

[delicate mist]

There were a few people calling for the ruled writers heads aha, this was more for them

[digital igloo]

Veterans can? And those plastic ones fit the mk4 they come with. lol

[balmy creek]

Lol, first time with gw ay?

[worn hound]

I thought we were talking about mor deythan

[charred geyser]

More like Less Deythan

[kindred ledge]

So it's all Glaives huh? That's oof, but if the weapon is decent this time with enough attacks I don't mind.

......it BETTER have WS5 tho

[near hull]

That DID get a visceral reaction from me lmao

[teal basalt]

the issue is i dont think this has anything to do with corporate.

[delicate mist]

I quite like the new deythan, it's a bummer for anyone who had them as volkites though

[wraith plank]

hmm, I do have some doubt about RG's tactica being that overpowered, most infantry weapons are within 24inch, and vehicles and dreads which do have lethal long range weapons won't benefit from it regardless. it's mostly recon with nemesis and HWS that'll benefit from it, and since 3e no longer have artificier, regualr marines are way easier to kill

[solemn oak]

So two questions. Did hereticus leak. And what's that current leak with the most leaked pages.

[wraith pecan]

Pessimist would say they’re clearing stock ahead of the rules reveal, an optimist might say that the journal tactica or legends will house them

[blazing hound]

Do we got new leaks yet or still Sw and rg?

[random knot]

hereticus did not leak.

[digital igloo]

Someone argued that the combi weapons available did not fit modern marine arms. Not the case, if you count the one from the plastic mk4 kit, or the new plastic ones.

[kindred ledge]

Very sadge Mongolian throat noises ye

[balmy creek]

They won't pull them until a few days after release

[worn hound]

3.0 isn't released yet, so why wouldn't they still sell them?

[grand meadow]

goddamnit

[manic quartz]

There were some oddities in the 2.0 Libers as well like the Legion Basilsks and SA Carnodons which they kept selling for the entire edition and went into Legacies anyway.

I think some decisions were just not meant for mortal minds to comprehend.

[wraith plank]

maybe despoiler squad will be able to take dual pistols

[digital igloo]

They pulled the books, and the other box set, but obviously staff were not given a pull list of kits.

[quiet pier]

so why would a RG player play anything other than HSS gunlines? Terrible rule that encourages a very specific and unthematic playstyle.

[balmy creek]

I bought one of the fw planes a while back just in-between an updated codex and imperial armour update a few days later. They dropped the unit like 2 days after codex drop, and then wouldn't accept a return because they didn't sell the product anymore lol

[gilded widget]

How'd my blueberries fare out?

[verbal stirrup]

Solid

[digital igloo]

All good for non-jump Destroyers. No so great for jump destroyers.

[acoustic gale]

what are Destroyers?

[verbal stirrup]

-1 cost for a relation once per turn, not flashy but potentially back breaking if you use them right

[balmy creek]

Something from an older edition, Oop now don't worry about them

[kindred ledge]

Yo, even tho Scars got absolutely taken behind the shed.....Veteran Assault Marines are nasty. Vanguard, 3 attacks, still 3 power weapons at 15 and FREE chainaxes??

[delicate mist]

Who are destroyers

[digital igloo]

So, basically, IF last edition and IW every edition.

[acoustic gale]

How are Destroyers

[verbal stirrup]

Sick kitbash bro

[wraith plank]

I can see them being useful, reaction in 3e is a lot rarer than 2e

[left pond]

Destroyers never existed you should just let that idea go

[tropic solar]

ty, ty

[delicate mist]

Gotta say, I feel for the guy I saw at an event with a UM 20k point destroyer company...

[balmy creek]

Truly an embarrassment of a profile

[late sparrow]

Why are destroyers?

[kindred ledge]

Destroyed from the game

[coarse flume]

Hold up I’m seeing a lot of fire and brimstone here gimme the rundown on the leaks. Are they gem or coal?

[near hull]

Odd. Twin pistol unit

[quiet pier]

At least for IF and IW it's in their theme. I can live with that, but Raven guard?????

[acoustic gale]

nah this looks made up

[elfin lynx]

Hmm, yes?

[digital igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/atomic-nuke-j-robert-oppenheimer-destroyer-of-the-worlds-death-gif-15159234

[verbal stirrup]

Some gem, some coal, your mileage may vary depending on your faction

[kindred ledge]

Ehhhh, WILD is the word😅

[surreal hornet]

I dont, fuck those dudes, harrower bolters should have been an NL thing

[coarse flume]

I play militia

[delicate mist]

They're a bit mid or they've killed your parents depending on who you speak too

[balmy creek]

Destroyers have been a joke unit all along, super dangerous weapons my ass

[verbal stirrup]

Brother your entire existence is coal it's so over for you it's unreal

[teal basalt]

-2 to hit at 18" or more is truly ridiculous

[kindred ledge]

What I will say, Tac Marines and Assault Vets are VERY good

[wraith plank]

eh, regardless they might still pop back up in journals

[polar wadi]

Are there more substantive leaks? Only ones pinned are the RG ones

[gusty sky]

Can't lie; losing our overlapping fire gimmick for -1 cost a reaction once per turn hurts my soul. It just feels so much less interesting and doesn't encourage you as a player to think about your positioning and firing order in the same way.

[coarse flume]

Oh okay.

militia pdf drops
commander, Ogryns, infantry, Russ, literally nothing else

[rose chasm]

Can’t believe RG turn IF into solar with 4+ snap fire

[acoustic gale]

I'm going to enjoy No Model No Rules
non marine books gonna be sooo slim

[modern surge]

No, its militias time, in a game where you have nothing to lose militia will be APE

[kindred ledge]

What is the Fists Legion rule now?

[delicate mist]

I really like veterans

[digital igloo]

Why would they ever play each other? What event/garage/brother are you doing it wrong at that you play Loyalist on Loyalist?

[sweet geyser]

Rad grenades finally caught up to them

[worn hound]

Won't they only ever be hitting RG on 6s

[verbal stirrup]

The new trait is a lot more usable imo, old one was great for shooting lists but didn't help out melee stuff in a really meaningful way

[near hull]

Wording is apparently odd, but same as currently, but only when shooting 5 or more shots

[balmy creek]

+1 to hit but only on a Tuesday or at Swithin's day but not if it's raining

[rose chasm]

My friend and I in my backyard

[ancient robin]

which ones we have two flavors now?

[modern surge]

LET THERE BE HOPE

[delicate mist]

The shooty ones:F

[digital igloo]

I still treasure my "Totally Rad" Destroyer dice from a NoVA Open Heresy.

[verbal stirrup]

And I don't have to explain to my UM playing buddy that the hit buff is model by model, not unit by unit anymore
So this is an absolute win for me

[kindred ledge]

Okay, so no more with BS weapons. Still very strong but not bullcrap

[wraith plank]

btw a very important issue, what happened to twinlinked weapons?

[rose chasm]

That’s what I’m hoping. Promotes bigger squads etc

Like a 10 man recon will be way better than a 5 man that loses the legion rule after 1 casualty

[random knot]

we snapped em in half

[ancient robin]

good choice enjoy your BS5

[digital igloo]

Removing re-rolls speeds up games!

[modern vector]

Which has no place in 30k

[shut dock]

Probably +1 damage lmfao, its what happened to shred

[gilded widget]

Anyone know if Breachers are OK, as they are some kickass models

[ancient robin]

most have been given more shots to my knowledge

[delicate mist]

Line vets is nice too, and they seem relatively cheap

[surreal hornet]

theyre a new weapon type

[verbal stirrup]

It doesn't have a place in 40k either yet here we are

[acoustic gale]

when we see the Breacher page we'll know what's in the box

[wraith pecan]

They’ll be okay but no leaks afaik - they’re being given a plastic kit so they’ll exist

[digital igloo]

It didn't when there was a Forge World, and HH wasn't GW's mythical "third flagship game" with a full plastic range.

[rose chasm]

If cataprachtii lose combi weapons I swear to god

[ancient robin]

oh they have line, thats pretty neat

[surreal hornet]

so instead of a twin linked bolter you have a twin bolter which has different stats

[delicate mist]

Plus they can take the big disintegrator

[digital igloo]

That would be a weird thing for them to do, but you never know. Maybe only on the Command Squad now or something?

[worn hound]

They're getting a new kit so have to wait and see right

[coarse flume]

If no model no rules is in full effect for 3.0 militia will be FUCKED

[surreal hornet]

Theyre getting a new kit, so who knows what options they will have

[modern surge]

theyre pdf, im sure theyll be finee

[wraith pecan]

There’s no forgeworld in name, but heresy is still written by the SDS and should still hold to their philosophy.

I think it’s indicative of meddling GW middle and upper managers, which infest the company

[ancient robin]

ew yucky weapons of the dark age

[digital igloo]

The leaked image suggesting this was a picture of something from Saturnine. lol

[dull jewel]

grass is always greener in the other side
you can be the legion with the most unique units and strong past options, bu mñeh

[balmy creek]

On the plus side, we might just get imperial guard 3.0 edition

[copper tapir]

Where’s that news coming from? Big hope if true

[ancient robin]

what's wrong with shotgun vets

[gilded widget]

Fantastic, I love them, my adorable slow-ass 2.0 pricey bricks

[wraith plank]

interesting, so kinda like gravis?

[rose chasm]

They aren’t sniper vets

[worn hound]

Was it? Who had the volkite?

[coarse flume]

Yeah this is why I’m mainly investing in Ogryns, artillery, riflemen, and tanks. Stuff that’s almost guaranteed to stay

[acoustic gale]

I love that we're back to having an Armoury page to shorten unit entries, but then each unit entry just has half a blank page

[delicate mist]

Effrit look cooler while doing it

[lilac wasp]

I’ve been wanting shotgun vets bad so it’s one of the few things I’m happy with

[modern vector]

This 100%.

[kindred ledge]

Tell that to my poor White Scars, that GK statline for weapons is a crime....
Unless they have like 4 attacks now

[rose chasm]

Same with cameleoline rules being in like every Rg entry

[gaunt ermine]

Are there more pictures beside the assault unit and RG rules yet?

[surreal hornet]

I dont know what that means, but I guess? My assumption is "its got 2x/1.5x the shots"

[lilac wasp]

No effrit models, pray for our sneaky boys

[dull jewel]

what is the profile of the GK now?

[spring mesa]

lmao did Pardo come in here and snitch on the leaker? incredible

[worn hound]

Who is pardo?

[kindred ledge]

Hang on, but it was really ....something, lemme look it up again

[blazing hound]

Sn battle reports channel guy

[spring mesa]

big loser energy dude

[digital igloo]

Is there some encyclopedia dramatica on this or something?

[worn hound]

Literally never heard of them

[surreal hornet]

HH youtuber, SN studios, one of the bigger/good production quality guys, decent videos

[delicate mist]

I will be sad if they go, though I would just turn them into vets i guess

[lilac wasp]

True

[abstract crag]

all my homies hate SN

[spring mesa]

he's not making friends snitching on leakers that's for sure

[near hull]

They posted a single message here. Jumping from that to "wow they snitched" is kinda gross. Unless I missed something, of course

[worn hound]

Oh, he is the dude doing reviews spread out over the whole month? No wonder

[rose chasm]

Also there’s no way to do drop pod assault anymore huh?

[abstract crag]

Lil Tucci

[delicate mist]

Yeah lmao, scummy move but that's expected of pardo 🤷‍♀️

[lilac wasp]

He did not like when I told him he was doing Space Wolves wrong with their studio army

[real agate]

I wonder what happened to "there is no terminator command squad" rumour spreaders? 😂

[quiet pier]

No, all reserve based ROW are just gone. You can't play that at all this edition

[crisp tulip]

Allegedly theres going to be a character option coming in the new drop site booklet that will let you

[blazing hound]

How did he snitch 😭

[gusty sky]

True, it doesn't inform your list nearly as heavily as the 2.0 trait does (although the 1.0 trait has benefits for both shooting and melee, so this feels like we're taking steps backwards).

[worn hound]

Turns out everyone was doing SW wrong according to new liber

[lilac wasp]

Please let me rest

[surreal hornet]

we dont know if he did, its a meme, but he showed up and the leaker left

[acoustic gale]

I laugh reacted to one of his facebook posts and he went off lol

[delicate mist]

Tbf he doesn't like anyone that even slightly criticises him, he's a very unpleasant dude

[lilac wasp]

He showed up, said “hmm” and the leaker said “whelp it’s not safe here anymore so I’m out”

[worn hound]

Sounds it

[kindred ledge]

@dull jewel apparently it's this...

[median hawk]

Believe I already made myself clear here.

[blazing hound]

Ah I see

[median hawk]

.

[lilac wasp]

GET HIM JOE

[dull jewel]

big oof

[digital igloo]

I wonder if Alvarex Maun will show up there?

[gaunt ermine]

Any rules for breachers or rapiers yet

[median hawk]

It's not an appropriate subject for the server, and if you have concerns about another user it should be directed to @tulip gale.

[rose chasm]

Nope. Leaker is gone

[hidden flame]

ah well, we'll likely see all the stuff in a couple days, or we'll get another leaker.

[kindred ledge]

So unless they have attack volumes now, the unit is dogshit

[dull jewel]

let's hope it's actually of the power glaives

[kindred ledge]

Ye, and that Ebons (who are apparently locked to glaives) and GK have like 3 attacks at least

[wraith plank]

probably legion specific, or soemthing

[quiet pier]

wish granted, they only have power glaives now

[surreal hornet]

Glaives seem pretty good actually

[kindred ledge]

Different question peeps, did the statline of the Basic Sicaran get out?

[polar wadi]

I really hope this is the limits of the options reductions.

[formal pivot]

So this is a complete theoretical and in no way of practical but I legitimately wonder what would happen if post 3rd Edition launch sales of 30k just dropped to zero because it turns out the addition just sucks that badly. I honestly wonder how GW would handle things going forward

[kindred ledge]

Oh? Elaborate

[violet marsh]

I just built two with fists imma flip out if that's factual

[polar wadi]

I may end up pivoting to OW at that rate

[surreal hornet]

Ap2 on charge

[kindred ledge]

Strength and damage?

[quiet pier]

Most people will probably buy the starter for saturnines anyways

[surreal hornet]

+1, 1, theyre a power weapon upgrade/sidegrade, not fist tier

[delicate mist]

Who are people gonna be watchinf come Saturday? I'll probably look at heresy mountain, I don't think heresy hammer have an NDA otherwise if go go them for rules

[digital igloo]

They know many of us have already put in pre-orders. Hence the timing of their embargoes.

[kindred ledge]

Aight, well in that case, if the Ebons have 3 attacks still, the unit is actually kinda good

[surreal hornet]

might have 4, if they gained one like vets and furies

[wraith plank]

I know a lot of 40k players who are tired of the game or the mediocre model release already preordered

[dusk turret]

Does someone have a summary of leaks for us poor Australians who just woke up? It's 6:30am here 😅

[trim seal]

personally speaking i think that the doom posting should stop

[rose chasm]

I come from TG with more possible IF leaks.

Supposedly lost assault cannons?? Prob back to 1.0 limitations

And SS 4++ but might also have the damage reduction Sallies get

[lilac wasp]

Someone said it in the Space Wolves chat, 3.0 is great for people who didn’t already play Heresy

[kindred ledge]

If they gained 4, Ebons would be lowkey wild...

Shame our Kharolanghlar are gone then (Destroyers)😅

[abstract crag]

those leaks were from here lol

[trim seal]

things will suck and either people move on and play or keep to themselves in small circles and play older edition s

[rose chasm]

Oh lmao. I didn’t see the damage reducing part of SS here

[kindred ledge]

TBH, I like the general 3.0 ruleset, but some Liber choices are......a bit wild. To put it mildly

[late sparrow]

There was never anything about damage reduction for fist shields.

[surreal hornet]

yea, that was probably me posting stuff from here

[trim seal]

Edition zealots

[kindred ledge]

Fists losing Assault Cannons would be deserved honestly

[rose chasm]

Let me cope. Let me feel like there is a reason to bring them for cataprachtii

[rose chasm]

Coming from 1.0 I don’t mind. If terminators keep access to it and our decurion tank guy

[north bloom]

cataphractii move to 5+++

[celest lintel]

Keep eyes open tomorrow 👀

[late sparrow]

That's the one thing I'm very skeptical of right now since why would they make them absolutely useless on the one thing they actually have modeled parts for?

[dusk turret]

Was anything said about word bearers?

[late sparrow]

No.

[languid badger]

If you were in flamer range your in set up move charge range with no volley fire

[worn hound]

Not me

[rose chasm]

SIGS LEAKS

[late sparrow]

Nothing new about him other than what GW has said/shown.

[real agate]

IF special decurion tank guy isnt in the table of content. Was he s (unique) or was he just a wargear?

[rose chasm]

Holy sauce less

[crisp tulip]

Whats difference between Cata and Tartaros now?

[kindred ledge]

We don't know the White Scar prime benefits nor their detachment right?

[desert girder]

Or just react move away to keep out of your three inches of set up, you’re not space wolves.

[north bloom]

tart 6+++

[hard pewter]

correct

[surreal hornet]

yea

[rose chasm]

He’s just a sword guy. Doesn’t do anything for Templars or his squad now. How the mighty have fallen. At least enemies are FORCED to pick Sigismund for challenges rofl

[crisp tulip]

Your kidding

[kindred ledge]

Cause there needs to be a way for Scims to gain line or Vanguard. Vanguard 1 on Outriders is clearly not enough for the army

[rose chasm]

Rip Sigs giving bonuses to the squad he attaches to lmao

[kindred ledge]

Lowkey hope it's line. Scims are more shooting than melee

[hexed saddle]

Insanely lame I hope they don't do corswain dirty the same way

[rose chasm]

Sigs crit hit in challenge is only 5+

How they massacred my boy

[real agate]

"Only"

[grand meadow]

No tears will be shed for sig

[hard pewter]

would line even help? Line doesn't grant you scoring lol

[quiet pier]

You mean, they brought him back to Earth from being Mary Sue?

[kindred ledge]

So far it seems that all Legions....besides arguably Raven Guard have been nerfed.

Which....does mean less killy edition?

[ancient robin]

we will have to see there

[rose chasm]

He’s still a Mary Sue. So people being obnoxious about him can continue to cope rofl

[lilac wasp]

Have we seen anyone not get done dirty yet?

[ancient robin]

but hopefully so?

[kindred ledge]

And a fix to the bullcrap that cav cannot ever score

[real agate]

Camba in the book, so i assume he is being previewed on 18th

[kindred ledge]

As much as it pains me to say, if everyone got done Dirty, it just means a leveled playing field

[rose chasm]

Eternal warrior (1) when primarchs get eternal warrior (2) is still dummy good

Y’all can continue to cope about Sigs. Especially since now YOU have to fight him

[hard pewter]

So my concern is that even if its a prime advantage, we'll only get like maybe 2 prime slots with that right?

[north cargo]

RG's playstyle was much more psotional through the use of infiltrate etc, giving us a flat damage survivability increase over a certain range is such a downgrade in terms of making them interesting to play

[kindred ledge]

I prefer to shoot him in the gob if ya don't mind

[hard pewter]

and that still requires us to bring a ton of centurions

[rose chasm]

So much sauce lost. Truly bland af

[tight crow]

We are so done...
They killed my Mortificator...

[surreal hornet]

Saturnine praetor with a D5 hammer says hi

[lyric canopy]

All right, 500 msg's since I last looked. Anything interesting?

[kindred ledge]

Depends on how our unique Detachment looks🤷

[hard pewter]

My Guess based on the ones we have seen is 2 recon 2 fast attack, with one prime slot

[rose chasm]

Says hi to primarchs too what’s your point rofl

[real agate]

Forgelord and armistos 😦

[hidden flame]

Bizzarre that the Moritat is still there but the Destroyers are gone. What's the Moritat supposed to attach to?

[rose chasm]

Taking 2 of those kills most primarchs rofl

[kindred ledge]

It better have a benefit for turning Scims into a scoring unit. Or a full bike army is unplayable

[crisp tulip]

Destroyers should still be in Legends though, right?

[hard pewter]

I don't think it will tbh. I think full bike army is dead

[rose chasm]

Sigs is still hitting with 5 ws7 initiative 7 in challenge you can’t hide from. Still gonna be a monster there

[balmy creek]

What spicula rocket so

[digital igloo]

Seeing very bad news for Dark Angels from TG.

[kindred ledge]

In 2 he could attach to literally anything

[celest lintel]

What you wanna know quick before I go bed
Spy’s should be asleep by now

[manic quartz]

Most likely.

[hidden flame]

I thought he had that 'bitter duty' rule

[hard pewter]

and I think we're extra screwed because all my consuls are on bikes and apparently thats not possible anymore.

[real agate]

Immortals and gorgons please!

[balmy creek]

+2 move

[celest lintel]

I DM’d you

[lunar rover]

Whats the new profile?

[kindred ledge]

With the FAQ it now only pertains to stuff joining him, not the other way around

[hard pewter]

if you could, the WS prime advantage for the detachment?

[surreal hornet]

Sure, but you can now build generic dudes who can take him, plus abbadon will probably mince him

[balmy creek]

Eh tarts used to 6+ and could sweeping advance and run so

[kindred needle]

Any consul

[hidden flame]

Ooooh. If that's the case I bet he doesn't have that any more.

[kindred ledge]

......WHAT?

No characters on bike anymore??

[digital igloo]

Major plasma weapons nerfs.

[lunar rover]

Oh, yea totally. I thought you meant the TG as in the terrannic greatsword

[worn hound]

I am 100% not buying this book

[hard pewter]

Apparently no consuls on bikes, so Stormseer, Herald, etc. If I understood @celest lintel correctly, Centurions on bikes are still in but I'm not 100% sure

[kindred ledge]

Moritat was pretty beastly in second half of HH2

[surreal hornet]

since he can apparently do 4+ damage in a single hit

[late sparrow]

How are seekers looking? 2 wounds? Nemesis bolters?

[balmy creek]

He has the 40k lone operative rule now

[near hull]

S+2 AP3 2D, -1i, Breaching 5+. Was posted here earlier

[wraith plank]

how does snap shot interact with blast weapon?

[hidden flame]

aha.

[digital igloo]

Yeah, that is a big issue for mine, as well (Praetor, psyker, and Apothecary all on bikes; maybe the Apothecary survives? Probably not).

[kindred ledge]

????

Wtf, if true that makes no sense

[lunar rover]

Oh, that's actually surprisingly not bad. Thank you

[real agate]

You can snap with blast afaik

[worn hound]

We have perdition weapon profiles?

[rose chasm]

WS kept their cyberhawks but RG lost infravisors sadge

[near hull]

Bird edition

[kindred ledge]

But if the prime benefits are not it, White Scars might be unironically unplayable outside of the Infantry flood play style of Mazan until their Istvaan journal

[digital igloo]

Oh, no, referring to text from another leaker on /tg/

[lilac wasp]

It was too much flavor. We can’t have that

[hard pewter]

GW sticking to the lore. WS weren't at Istvaan so we don't get to play this edition.

[balmy creek]

That was a joke lol

[rose chasm]

Legacy pdf yada yada

Why are you building bike characters for 3.0 don’t be silly it’s not like you’re the bike legion

[kindred ledge]

They said the journals jump around, so who knows

[quiet pier]

Imagine losing your army or theme, because GW is just bad at making army rules, couldn't be half of the server

[hexed saddle]

Say it with me now everyone !

WE LOVE THIRD

[balmy creek]

It's not that they're bad, they just don't care

[lunar rover]

Word

[primal wadi]

Are there any leaks other than the pinned Imgur link?

[hard pewter]

I'm worried that I cannot think of a prime benefit that matches the styles of the ones we've seen that makes my army actually function.

[kindred ledge]

If this is the case, I will just play Alpha Legion instead.... At least until the Journal

[bright cave]

Just realized as of now of what we’ve seen, only vet tactical squads can take augury scanners and nuncio-voxes lol

[hard pewter]

Jetbikes get Augury scanners too.

[celest lintel]

They come as they are
Very minimal upgrades

[desert girder]

Our REAL legion rule, the best paragon blades.

[digital igloo]

That's a great change. Taking that away from HSS makes them way less broken.

[dusk turret]

It's loyalist liber leaks?

[balmy creek]

JAMES EVERY TAC SQUAD I OWN HAS A NUNCIO

[rose chasm]

Pls I wanna know cataprachtii hypothetical

Are they t5 or t4 and 4++ or 5++

[quiet pier]

Now riddle me this. Where vexilla, GW?

[kindred ledge]

(and you better not have fucked with my Headhunters' combi's James....)

[bright cave]

Didn’t see that in the leaks

[kindred needle]

That's so fucking sad

[digital igloo]

Supposedly on the Tactical entry?

[manic quartz]

Vexillas appear to be something on the unit entry you buy, rather than on Legion Equipment.

[dusk turret]

What does the Ultramarine legion trait do?

[near hull]

-1 to the cost of a reaction once per turn

[kindred ledge]

It's in the upgrade section

[celest lintel]

Even centurions don’t come on bikes
Power armour
Jump pack
Terminator armour

[bright cave]

Stand corrected! It’s small and tiny and the first thing mentioned

[digital igloo]

It is indeed there.

[lunar rover]

Bit niche, but do stasis missiles still exist and what do they do?

[worn hound]

Mor deythan can only take nemesis bolters or shotguns. Headhunters will only have banestrike bolters and no options.

[tropic granite]

I ask again, hypothetically, are Volkite Calivers statted good?

[jolly basin]

Have any mechanicum stuff started to leak yet 😂

[quaint torrent]

Nemesis bolter statline

Combi-weapons One shot or no?

[kindred ledge]

Does UM ignore the cap on reactions?

[manic quartz]

Heh, giving them the Command and Control Squad rule as their trait is amusingly fitting.

[hidden flame]

oh. I'm a little out of the loop so I just believe anything right now

[polar wadi]

Yeah... I think i'm pivoting to OW at this rate.

[dusk turret]

Can command squads take boarding shields??

[digital igloo]

Welp, I guess I just got a new squad of bikes, and need to paint up some new legs. lol

[tight crow]

I will just point out it'ss a starter Saturnite Book, not Liber Astartes/Hereticus so we don't have to lament that much

[hard pewter]

...well fuck

[kindred ledge]

Big mad if true, leave my multi melta and combi's alone

[near hull]

This is actually from the libers (allegedly)

[polar wadi]

^

[digital igloo]

Huh?

[celest lintel]

Elites
1w
Kraken bolters
Infiltrate
Skirmish

[tight crow]

Ok nvm then, I'm going to commit Sudoku, as every Sagyar Manzan White Scars was supposed to

[open blade]

My Raven guard weep today.

[tropic granite]

It's true, we actually have an image

[kindred ledge]

So the same, gotcha

[dusk turret]

I have a whole squad of ZM command guys 😅

[balmy creek]

Phew, just sold a 500pt all bike army for warhead. Got away like a bandit on that one

[digital igloo]

Kraken profile?

[kindred ledge]

You're kidding right? Headhunters only have Banestrikes now?

[tulip garden]

would love to see the normal tactical, and breacher and despoilers.

[balmy creek]

Perhaps we could learn of the crimson paladins sir

[mossy galleon]

Yeah I wonder what they get for line

[tropic granite]

Oh sorry, the raven guard bit is true. Headhunters are unconfirmed

[celest lintel]

48”
one shot
S4
Ap5
Damage 1
Heavy
Breaching (5)
Pinning (1)
Precision (4)

Thing combis are one shot
They have a hypothetical rule that says limited (1)

[quiet pier]

Why? They make a dedicated wargear list section (for no reason), but also they don't even list all the wargear there (for no reason again)

[acoustic gale]

man why would I swap all the bolters in the unit for 1 plasma
how do they even carry it

[kindred ledge]

Tacs seem good, and Veteran Assault Marines seem very good. free chainaxes, 3 power weapons in 15 and 3!!! Attacks

[onyx condor]

Nothing imo. Shotgun marines are fun.

[kindred ledge]

It's a twin bolter for a twin-plasma bro🤷 .
So your bikes still get dual plasma

[surreal hornet]

what heavy are they? S?

[celest lintel]

Muchly the same
Tough
Harder to kill outnumbered
Maybe

[acoustic gale]

one plasma for the squad? do they take turns?

[late sparrow]

what heavy stat do they have?

[balmy creek]

What a delight

[late sparrow]

That's a list of tables to pull from, there are other things that don't fit into those tables as well. It's a way to cut down on things in the unit pages.

[celest lintel]

Heavy (fp)
Think that’s +1 to hit if you standstill
But I can’t even read a none existent book 😂

[worn hound]

Do we have stats for perdition weapons?

[quaint torrent]

2 shots if stationary

[kindred ledge]

Obviously that means all Twin Bolters become all plasma twins.
This is an obvious writing weird thing. FAQ

[lunar rover]

Are DA stasis missiles worth a damn?

[acoustic gale]

as bad as CSM 3.5 letting you swap the entire unit of Raptors for one Aspiring Champion, those were the days

[jovial otter]

Can assault veterans go without jump packs or are they jump pack only?

[surreal hornet]

oh damn, thats 2 shots if they stand still, sniper stonks!

[celest lintel]

Sorry you’re correct heavy (fp) add one shot

[kindred ledge]

Combi's? Asin one profile? Or do combi melta's, plasma's and such still exist?

[fiery widget]

No centurions on bikes is truly insane I wont lie

[hard pewter]

this is some deep cut nostalgia

[celest lintel]

Mystic megs ball tells me only jump packs

[quaint torrent]

As in likely no differentiation between Magna (which could be used once) and Minor (which could be fired multiple times) as things currently stand

[digital igloo]

Given previously required for two Rites of War (but the, obviously those are gone).

[bright cave]

But also lost 1S from 5 to 4 so wounding on 4s now. Don’t know if the math balances out ie 1 shot wounding on 3s being equivalent to 2 shots wounding on 4s

[jovial otter]

Good lord, it's lucky I can easily swap the packs on mine, thank you, talk about rug pull

[kindred ledge]

Aight, but I want to know if they still have the melta or plasma firing options

[digital igloo]

So, back to 1.0.

[quiet pier]

But you don't actually cut down, each unit is still one page, except now half the page is empty and you have to constantly look back and forth to look at the tables and half the tables aren't exactly full, because there's still other stuff in units that has to be referenced separately. Its so fucking tedious for no reason.

[quaint torrent]

We have the weapon list and know that they do

[onyx condor]

Unless you're Peterabo. Then you can just tell the nearest melta squad "I don't wanna see him anymore."

[late sparrow]

Can breachers take volkite and/or anything else of interest? @celest lintel

[kindred ledge]

I don't give a crap about multiple shots from Headhunters as it's a one-done type of unit anyway

[surreal hornet]

I think given you relied on breaching to do the damage, it probably is a net benefit

[dull jewel]

Heresy Mountain because I LOVE Steve, Miniature realmsnif he gets it

[olive bone]

WS rules ?? Who can find it ?

[narrow saffron]

Guy with 20 arms let's fucking go.

I still have that one.

[onyx condor]

Isn't he hiding now?

[kindred ledge]

Can you dm me that? I am trying find it but cannot see

[digital igloo]

They had Line (as one of very few who kept it from the prior edition).

[quaint torrent]

https://imgur.com/a/8oqENvc In here, after the Vet datasheets

[onyx condor]

Oh wait he's back.

[kindred ledge]

But....they didn't have line in 2.0🤣

[delicate mist]

I love Steve, he's so wholesome

[balmy creek]

Septic peg

[onyx condor]

Man combis getting nerfed sucks for my Adherants.

[digital igloo]

Was that just in HL?

[delicate mist]

Unlike others I cannot mention or ill get got

[crisp tulip]

Boy do i have news for you

[onyx condor]

How bad?

[summer bloom]

Breachers please weapon options?

[celest lintel]

Grav gun maybe
Lascutter
Who knows it’s all hypothetical

[quaint torrent]

HHL gave you more points for blapping the Warlord and let you take them as troops, but didnt make Headhunters line.

[late sparrow]

No volkite?

[olive bone]

White Scars Rules ?

[crisp tulip]

Adherants are gone pretty sure

[digital igloo]

Must be a bug in BSD. lol

[manic quartz]

They were always a PDF unit tbf.

Prolly be in Legacies.

[late sparrow]

Legacies doc probably.

[hard pewter]

+2" movement

[onyx condor]

Well, I know they're not in the Liber. Most likely in legacies.

[formal pivot]

UM rules pleass!

[celest lintel]

Nope
Sgt combi volkite

[onyx condor]

But holy shit did their free combis get nerfed.

Wait hold up Breachers no longer have Volkite?

[peak finch]

Anything for iron warriors or is it only loyalists rn?

[low dune]

This legacies pdf is either gunna be as long as the liber, or some people gunna get very upset come release....

[celest lintel]

They’re in here bro 🙂

[quaint torrent]

Loyalists only today

[kindred ledge]

In Leviathal they did not gain line, but were able to be put in the troops section

[turbid fiber]

@celest lintel hypothetical, how’s my boy Corswain looking

[onyx condor]

GW going to have to dedicate entire pages just for the wargear options players lost.

[dire gale]

I'm just happy it's probably just one big document and I won't need look around a bunch to find all the units I can take lol

[celest lintel]

Only a hypothetical loyalist and rulebook fell off the hypothetical truck on the rainbow road to the emperors palace

[hard pewter]

guys you know you can add tags to the search bar right?

Search From: and then a user to find them

[balmy creek]

Do babies usually come in their alternative legion heraldry? I was expecting an imperial fist but got a black templar.

How are pyroclasts

[timid cliff]

Once per turn reduce a single reaction cost by one

[kindred ledge]

Btw, how do you know they have line this time around?

[nocturne oasis]

is this the same for medusan immortals?

[celest lintel]

At a glance he seems to be very good

[low dune]

Too much hopium on the legacies pdf, doom is upon ye

[jovial otter]

What happened to the assault veterans' melee options? Really no power weapons other than lightning claws? No charnabal weapons??

[delicate mist]

Sangys gambit and as much of his legion buffs/profile you're willing ti type out! Please please please

[kindred ledge]

@formal pivot the silver lining for Scars so far seems to be that Glaives are AP2 on the charge again.

Really hope the detachment, Primes and maybe the journal let's the army play as it's supposed to

[opaque verge]

the assault vets can all take a weapon from the sergeant list, its the first little blip. they can all take power weapons

[lunar rover]

Assault vets can all get power weapons

[turbid fiber]

Many blessings

[quaint torrent]

It's in the Sarge list, they write it that way so they dont have to reprint it

[wheat belfry]

Wargear lists

[jovial otter]

Oh that's a relief

[celest lintel]

2 wounds maybe
Flamers are okay
Good in melta mode

[digital igloo]

Unfortunately, for my list, I have all of two models with Glaives on foot. lol

[ocean canopy]

wait, so centurions have locked loadouts?

[kindred ledge]

Assault Vets seems to be a blender

[celest lintel]

Eyes open for a hypothetical tomorrow none existent image based website

[kindred ledge]

Also, am I blind or is the Paragon blade gone from Officer weapons?

[digital igloo]

I guess Vulkan said yes to smashing someone...

[desert girder]

@celest lintel if your still here, what’s the difference between a chain sword and chain axe?

[scenic tulip]

no characters on bikes for whitescars is insane

[quaint torrent]

Likely datasheet specific like the Vexilla. We know it exists (stats were discussed earlier today)

[formal pivot]

Wait what?! Wtf do you mean?

[ocean canopy]

what they can't take jetbikes?

[digital igloo]

Also Ravenwing and Night Lords biker gang thing.

[pastel slate]

Great leaker is there anything cool for scars

[summer bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-memoji-gif-23490017

[scenic tulip]

thats what ive seen above

[hard pewter]

no bikes for consuls or centurions

[celest lintel]

Axe could be -1I
+1s

[opaque verge]

don't remind me :(, i was just about to build swift blade, glad i hadn't

[kindred ledge]

The pdf's BETTER have characters on bikes of either variety or the Army is straight up dead.

Well, non Mazan armies

[ocean canopy]

do praetors at least get them

[delicate mist]

You're a proper chicken legend. If you ever want to post anything and not put yourself at risk I work in netsec and can help if you want it

[olive bone]

Jaghatai khan have opt. on bike ?

[wraith pasture]

Guys can we get outraged about actual problems instead of stuff that isn't an issue

[formal pivot]

Okay Real Talk who at GW fucking hates bikes

[real agate]

Would love to know what breacher shields do. But also can wait

[kind geode]

GW hates bikers in all systems I no longer believe that ravenwing can play normally

[balmy creek]

All this gnashing of teeth over bikes it's simple, no model no rules. Silly players

[low dune]

Surely Praetors can take bikes

[digital igloo]

I am still trying to rebuild my all Tart PotL list from v1 (with three HS slots and three Fast Attack slots), so I guess "let's add bikes" is off that list.

[opaque verge]

you see they never learned to ride w/o training wheels and got made fun of, they swore to never let anyone have fun with bikes again.

[balmy creek]

Rare and ancient technology pls understand

[swift gull]

@celest lintel glad your back brother, I asked before you departed last time but theoretically are all legion specific terminators elite choices or shock assault

[jovial otter]

Yep I saw, five other guys showed me already 🙏

[digital igloo]

They were too good in the 6/7/1.0 era.

[dusk turret]

Could we get the command squad options?

[celest lintel]

Nope
Think for characters
If they don’t sell one
You’ve not got it

[low dune]

Mother of God....

[delicate mist]

@celest lintel whilst your still kicking, how are terminators looking? Have they lost combis?

[late sparrow]

Does the apothecary work the same?

[dusk turret]

Do theu all have access to legion officer wargear?

[formal pivot]

...please tell me your kidding?

[hard pewter]

Maybe the PDFs will save us

[kindred ledge]

Welp, into the cabinet my White Scars go and it's all to the Alpha Legion section.....until the Journal unfucks the 5th Legion.

[olive bone]

Jaghatai khan bike ?

[desert girder]

Actually criminal

[digital igloo]

Likewise lost bike/jetbike/jumpack options?

[onyx condor]

GW has officially shat the bed.

[modern surge]

Its like dads come home in here, its adorable

[bright cave]

Hilarious too because they HAVE a speaker of the dead model and HE STILL GOT AXED

[late sparrow]

Sorry, should have clarified, does the apothecary work the same in terms of FNP and all that?

[desert girder]

This edition is such a flop lmao

[slate owl]

@celest lintel does Kahn hypothetically have a bike profile still? Or have they finally stopped teasing us... hypothetically

[kindred ledge]

@celest lintel real quick.
Number of attacks for both Ebon and Golden Keshig?

[wraith pecan]

I doubt they’d commit to a rewrite let alone a new new edition, given just how long this has all taken them.

Saturnines are a big investment in themselves, given that they were created before even Heresy 2.0 was released.

I think they’d draw down support and kill it.

(Hypothetically, since even a large portion of the biggest haters will buy GW product on launch)

[late sparrow]

Isn't it the rune priest they have a model for?

[low dune]

Fucking huuuuuge F for the V Legion. No clue what to even say about that

[balmy creek]

On the plus side I now I have content ideas for my home made exemplary battles, can just restore wargear options lol

[kindred ledge]

This is ESSENTIAL for those 2 units. AP2 on the charge is nice, butttt

[clear pawn]

Can’t believe they killed the Baal Predator

[celest lintel]

Different per legion I think
If you mean the image icon for the force orgs

[kind geode]

The most important issue is the Lion's sword

[polar wadi]

OW stonks are going up I think :p

[wraith pasture]

In a ways the veteran assault squad has huge chosen of chaos energy.

It's a unit that would become incredibly expensive very quickly if you want it to...

Despite having a 3+ save.

Huge chosen of chaos energy. In fact this squad directly must be what would become the chosen in 40k eventually lol it is so similar.

Do we know what combat shields do yet?

[bright cave]

Yes but they also have an older speaker model

[balmy creek]

They what

[swift gull]

Yeah. Interesting tho know

[polar wadi]

But yeah this has taken me from "potential sidegrade" to "Definate downgrade"

[digital igloo]

Really? That had a model (and a recent one, at that).

[marble sail]

Wouldn't legion chosen become chosen lol

[onyx condor]

Wait it's gone now!?!?!?!

[sly ledge]

That’s how it currently works? And then in the armoury section it breaks down power weapons into the different types - picture from current liber not new stuff

[trim seal]

we havent seen the armoury section for blood anagels yet

[ocean canopy]

wait really?

[celest lintel]

All can have combi weapons
Catapractii atleast

[tired furnace]

can you name a real problem so I can get outraged

[clear pawn]

Thought it was in the general equipment page for vehicles?

[pale basalt]

what do breachers cost?

[kindred ledge]

Yeah but the GK weapons have turned crap and I need to know if they got more attacks to compensate

[digital igloo]

Bikes lost 2/3 options they ship with, in lieu of shotguns. lol

[wraith pasture]

Yes basically they named it power weapons because axes mauls lances and swords still exist (they literally just made plastic model upgrades for them)

[polar wadi]

Destroyers are gone

[celest lintel]

No bike
No model no rules

[trim seal]

its exclusive to blood angels so its probably in their wargear list thats in their legion armoury

[bronze osprey]

Hey now, you're expecting Wargamers to have reading comprehension

[clear pawn]

May be wrong, temporary false alarm brothers

[kindred ledge]

@celest lintel number of attacks for Ebon Keshigs and Golden Keshig?

[kind geode]

@celest lintel what's profile on Lion's sword?

[polar wadi]

Didn't they already have those?

[digital igloo]

@celest lintel Blood Angels armoury would be amazing.

[marble sail]

Tell me more about breachers

[worn hound]

Even their primarch doesn't have a bike 😂

[spice tide]

Any updates yet last I checked it was just rg

[wheat belfry]

Can you have chainsword + bolter tacticals or have they gone full No Fun Allowed?

[surreal snow]

@celest lintel any alleged info on the blood angels armory?

[celest lintel]

Ebon could maybe have 3
Golden also three
Hypothetically

[trim seal]

please dont ping leakers for stuff

[modern surge]

have mercy

[wraith pasture]

Legion specific units being locked to whatever came in their original resin kits as weapon options I guess is a pretty big issue for units that are entirely resin...

Resin upgrades for plastic units might actually have dodged this bullet though

[late sparrow]

Normally I would agree but they did ask.

[kindred ledge]

Ok, thanks.

That at least makes the Golden Keshig and Ebon Keshigs playable

[celest lintel]

That’s in here already
More tomorrow

[clear pawn]

Nothing yet aside that it’ll look very cool, Sanguinius can equip a basketball to dunk on Konrad

[digital igloo]

Thanks!

[bright cave]

Correction, it was a praetor model which often people doubled as a speaker

[surreal snow]

Must’ve missed it Ill go looking

[rose chasm]

Nemesis seem great

Nemesis bolters

Range 48"
S 4
Ap 5
Breaching 5+
Heavy(Fp) (extra shot)
Precision 4+

[clear pawn]

Can you ping when you find it?

[wraith pasture]

No sniper rule anymore it seems

[modern surge]

Oh my command sections are gonna feel that

[kindred ledge]

@digital igloo 3 attacks for Golden Keshig and Ebons might actually save them. And Glaives have AP2 on the charge now.
So Ebon Keshigs seem good.....as weird as that feels to say😅

[wheat belfry]

Heavy FP isn't what I was expecting for those but I fw it

[quaint torrent]

Precision 4+ is your sniper rule. Nerf, yes, but still there and stats wise about the same given the double tap

[digital igloo]

GK were SO bad. I would love an excuse to build the 3 I have on hand.

[last bone]

Have more rules leaked?

[lunar rover]

Probably for the best. With the new out of LoS wound allocation, straight up sniper would be very dangerous

[wraith pasture]

No sniper was that X was what you wounded on regardless of toughness value

[low dune]

No pinning anymore from snipers mind

[quaint torrent]

That was Rending, and most "normal" things have lost that it seems

[desert girder]

You would see what happened with 6th, which was the worst edition of 40k, they just rush out the next edition in like a year and it ends up just being a fixed version of the previous edition.

[kindred ledge]

Ebons seem good.....now the only question is their weaponskill

[hard pewter]

On foot, literally unplayable

[dull jewel]

He's my boy

[trim jetty]

Wonder if they simplified the Glaive this edition

[quaint torrent]

They're allegedly Pinning 1

[celest lintel]

Only some dude who’s using his mega mind and a crack level of caffeine to hypothesise rules out of the immatuerium

[wheat belfry]

Even though I'm pretty sure the flavour text for it still explicitly mentions hearing sniper fire

[swift gull]

Heresy isn’t a core game, I’d be more inclined to believe they’d just bench it than rush a new edition

[pastel slate]

A true thousand sons player

[kindred ledge]

Ebons have always been on foot🤷 .

Also, GK seem to have 3 attacks, so a 6 man unit actually kinda does something at Breaching 5

[formal pivot]

But no really there's no ability for HQ characters to take a bike at all? What about jump packs

[balmy creek]

That's not strictly true, 6th ed was a stop gap because the leap between 5th and 7th in terms of rules was considered too big. They toned some of 7th down to be released for 6th but always intended for 7th to be how it was

[digital igloo]

Sixth was fine. The problem with it was organized "I'm too cool, I'm a TO" response from the NoVA crowd ("we want the FoC, eff your detachments, we'll run 1999+1 events!".

[hard pewter]

and thats why I don't own any! Too slow!

[last bone]

I heard ultras got leaked

[wraith pasture]

Why is it that once again the loyalists are getting leaked before release whilst the Traitors must wait until embargo lol

How is this happening AGAIN

[celest lintel]

Their power lance is
IM +4
AM 1
SM +5
AP3
D2
Impact (ap)
Armourbane

Maybe
Sweating thinking those rules up geez

[wheat belfry]

Seeing as officers a d command squads with jump packs are separate units to their on foot versions, highly doubt it

[balmy creek]

It's a feature

[tropic granite]

Maybe we're the good guys after all....

[last bone]

And I just finished gladiator 2, so now I wanna build a UM outcast army

[digital igloo]

More attacks definitely helps.

[celest lintel]

You heard right maybe
Who even hears things ?
They could be in here somewhere

[kindred ledge]

Ohhhh dmg 2? And 3 attacks?

[pastel slate]

Favoritism, be strong brother. Be strong for horus

[jovial otter]

While I am glad assault veterans mostly survived, I actually didn't want mine to use jump packs - I have a land raider for them.

Extra sad since I remember the old 40k days when assault squads could voluntarily eschew jump packs to go in transports (even take a free rhino if they did) :'(

[kindred ledge]

NEVERMIND GK are good

[desert girder]

No, they didn’t intend for 6th to be a less then 2 year edition, the game did so poorly that GW lost massive market share to Warmachine and X wing took it over as the most played mini game. 7th was rushed out to try to fix things.

[low dune]

White Scars were never the legion that used Bikes. No sir, just pure glaive wielding Mongolians

[celest lintel]

It’s what you deserve for turning from the emperors light
(The hypothetical none existent truck didn’t have one)

[kindred ledge]

That kinda makes up for GW killing all our Bike HQ's, just like in 40k

[balmy creek]

No they did lol, I have some first hand experience on it

[formal pivot]

But without a con on Mount to leave them are they brother are they?

[grave plume]

i am likewise seriously crossing my fingers that the foot command squad with melee equipment survived because i have spent too much to build it for 2.0 for it to die now

[celest lintel]

That first charge is gonna hurt

[digital igloo]

Probably just because people loved the first version of X Wing before they alienated their entire player base with the next release. lol

[low dune]

Just can't get my head around removing the bike and jetpack options. It's just so stuuuupid

[desert girder]

6th was functionally broken, with the most toxic, unfun armies ever released into the history of the game. I guarantee you any fun you had is probably you misremembering early 7th. 6th edition lasted like 18 months.

[grave plume]

(yes, i did see the non jump pack listing, but i missed any discussion of their equipment, and veterans do not fill me with confidence)

[bright cave]

Don’t open up my Xwing wounds. They’re still fresh from the 2.5 debacle

[kindred ledge]

Well, they have 3 attacks now apparently. So don't much need a Libby or Chap anymore.

A 6 man shits out 18 attacks

[hard pewter]

7th was fantastic at launch. Best core ruleset 40k ever had.

And then necrons released

[last bone]

Actually you might have gotten more use out of it as now there's a centurion command squad and praetorian one, so more units it can go with

[digital igloo]

Just saying, X Wing popular was probably a much bigger deal than 40k 6th unpopular.

[tropic granite]

God I wish X-Wing came back

[kindred ledge]

Good, that is the point

[bright cave]

Agree

[last bone]

What was wrong with necrons? I know admech has a shit loadout of problems but never heard of necrons

[grave plume]

as long as spear and bolter command squad on foot survived i am fine

but if they finally made the flag not mandatory i will be a little mad after i compromised the aesthetic to fit one on it

[last bone]

Fair, I imagine it'll either be very good or mandatory based on the legion command squad box

[clear pawn]

Can anyone link the BA pages? Impossible to go back that far on my phone

[hard pewter]

Necrons were the first "Formation of Formations" or Decurion Detachment, the nickname came from the Necron codex and got applied to all the others throughout the edition. By the end of the edition, theirs was actually pretty tame

[digital igloo]

Necrons were broke as a joke in 6th... their book was out before 7th. Did they even get a book in 7th?

[bright cave]

Me too bud, me too. Wave 6 in first end through wave like 4 second ed was the best of times. 2016-2019 was peak Xwing

[balmy creek]

Necrons began the trend of formation detachments, fiex unit selections which have buffs and then super buffs. Necrons had strong units and strong formation buffs

[last bone]

Ah fair

[crisp tulip]

The really egregious one was Dark Angels getting free transports

[digital igloo]

Negative

[hard pewter]

that was all space marines

[real agate]

How did you get 3 A?

[loud berry]

What are people's thoughts so far? I've seen some negativity, but that could be a few people being loud.

[celest lintel]

Tomorrow 👀

[kindred ledge]

@formal pivot but ye, if the leaked weapon profile + 3 attacks per dude is true, then Golden Keshig are kinda just a self-contained functioning unit.

Ebons also seem good with 3 attacks and S5 AP2 on the charge.

The "taken behind the shed" of our Bike characters is tragic tho

[balmy creek]

That was space marines in general, dark angels for free transport and overwatch 4+ lol

[desert girder]

Yeah, they intended the entire edition to devolve into flyer spam and detachment bullshit lol. No, they released it, watched players scream from the rooftops for how bad it was, watched event attendance crumble, and rushed 7th.

And they deserved all the hate for it.

[last bone]

Idk the mech one moving around half the terrain on the board seems pretty bad

[kindred ledge]

Leaker guy said so🤷

[last bone]

Especially with the "I have a building with 20 skitarii in it and now they magic bussed it to you"

[crisp tulip]

Rules are fine overall, cutting of wargear options is egregious

[low dune]

Question? Does the Command Rhino fill the slot in the detachment system as commander or will it have some support keyword?

[formal pivot]

Like I don't get it why why the fuck are they doing that is GW really that much of a petty spiteful company that they're just simply refusing to give us rules for an HQ just because they don't make a fucking model for it and God forbid someone get bashes it instead of shelling out 40 to 60 USD

[real agate]

Weapon says AM1

[nimble dragon]

BA definitely did not get that. They got a single non-stacking buff, twice.

[digital igloo]

The stupid spikey Pterodactyl was pretty unfun.

[hard pewter]

BA didn't get a decurion style detachment

[trim jetty]

is there any place I could read more about the problems of 6th? I only have nostalgia dudes around praising that over 7th

[kindred ledge]

Yes, means +1 attack. Golden Keshig are elites, so 2 attacks base. 2+1 = 3

[swift gull]

There’s some definite dumb choices in not thrilled about, but I’ve been through enough new editions to know once models are on the table it’s probably gonna all come out alright in the wash

[balmy creek]

No they or rather we wrote '6th' ed thought it was going to not do so hot as it was a large departure from 5th and filed a load of shit off to make actual 6th as a halfway point to release

[lunar rover]

Have the saladmanders been hypothetically talked about?

[last bone]

Really happy

[hard pewter]

the first 3 codecies that released for 7th were actually really well balanced against each other. The stuff that came later is what people thought was so bad about 7th

[real agate]

1 means flat 1. +1 would mean additional attac

[nocturne oasis]

7th ed was worse than 6th by miles, it killed 40k entirely for a lot of clubs

[last bone]

Tbf most GW games are like that

[loud berry]

Noticed the RG sniper guys don't get their alternative to snipers, which sucks. Though there seems to have a pretty chunky equipment list in general which is nice.

[digital igloo]

Help us, Pollyanna, tell us what to be glad about?

[formal pivot]

Honestly overall I think based on the Impressions that we're getting this Edition will either make or break 30k as a game system and something that they sell moving forward. At least in my opinion who knows

[hard pewter]

If you can put your models on the table thats fine, but plenty of people are pretty justifiably pissed that they can't even get to that point because their armies are invalid now.

[onyx condor]

That and formations being..... holy moly I tried 7e building in New Recruit and it was insane.

[loud berry]

I'm of the same mind.

[balmy creek]

Then 7th was planned as a 'mid edition' updated via supplements like 3.5 revised but instead it was launched as a full edition instead because people weren't happy with 6th and it was thought best to distance from it lol

[digital igloo]

Well, they did get an extra shot with a Sniper Bolter (when not moving), which seems cool, and since they can't take the go-to (combi-flamers in 1.0, combi-volkite in 2.0), it kind of works?

[scenic tulip]

You know when they said that building varied armies was even easier

[onyx condor]

Like I can see it being a huge wallet eater for stuff like 1st Company.

[kindred ledge]

Then it depends on if it hard-locks you to 2 attacks base and the weapon leaves you to one (and if that's the case, you can take Fists and Hammers at 2 attacks) and such

[rose chasm]

Did we get cataprachtii terminator rules?

[onyx condor]

Yeah that did not age well.

[nocturne oasis]

it is in fact harder, unless you spam centurions

[desert girder]

If you had any part of 6th’s development, yeah, intentionally sabotaging the game sounds exactly like how I expected the team involved to be acting. Thanks for releasing shitty product and ruining my last year of highschool playing 40K.

[celest lintel]

It’s a big shake up with a lot of stuff being invalidated
But I’m willing to give it a go

[loud berry]

I imagine things will be in the legacy pdf. Hope they do it better this edition than last. Plus there's the journals.

[digital igloo]

Spamming Centurions is not unit/wargear undelete.

[hard pewter]

"Plus theres the journals" is not an acceptable answer honestly

[real agate]

It sets your characteristic to 1. They will have 1 attack while using the lance

[craggy valley]

Cool new edition GW. Looks like sticking with 2.0 is the better option

[desert girder]

The doomposters were right, we are just now figuring out how deep the rabbit hole goes

[digital igloo]

Enjoyed 6th MUCH more than 5th, speaking as a returning gamer (and former 2nd edition tween).

[turbid fiber]

Man I’ve already pre ordered, I’m giving this a send it no matter what at this point

[teal basalt]

There’s almost no shot legacies have melee vets, which a LOT of people had

[wheat belfry]

Let's just say I was hyped until today

[balmy creek]

Each to their own, nothing compared to 3.5 and 4th

[turbid fiber]

I’ll wait to see more leaks for DA so I can see about DWC/Inner knights. Maybe my plasma repeaters survived

[lunar rover]

DA lost the wings. That's a no-go, non-starter for me. I'll not be playing 3.0

[rose chasm]

I am curious on autocannons rules too

[glossy lintel]

Centurion command squads could be melee vets still I don't think we've heard about their war gear options.

[digital igloo]

Was that a big meta unit in 2.0? I don't recall ever seeing it, but I didn't play much in 2 vs 1.

[low dune]

I'll say it again, there's too much hopium on the legacies pdf. It surely isn't gunna be the salve to everyone's grievances with some of the changes

[polar wadi]

I wasn't as hyped but i was in the "willing to hear it out" camp. Now I'm on dead on arrival

[hard pewter]

say it again for those in the back

[turbid fiber]

Yeah this hurts a lot

[desert girder]

See, I don’t believe you, unless you were a necron or demon player, then I don’t blame you, you didn’t know better.

[balmy creek]

Don't trust the legacies documents Christ, look at the last set they were awful

[jovial otter]

It wasn't top-top meta but it was fun/cool and popular.

[real agate]

Same. Do i like most of the "rulebook" changes. Not a huge fan of loosing options, but I will still give it a go. Excited to learn something new 😂

[digital igloo]

It does seem much more realistic to take more than one given the new force structure.

[polar wadi]

And i'm not even really effected by the changes so far besides losing the armistos

[tropic granite]

no Vet Despoilers is really strange

[kindred ledge]

I'll have to take a good look at the whole ruleset now and see whatever survived etc.

Cause this is rather drastic

[celest lintel]

Mostly unchanged

[surreal hornet]

Wait, AM 1 means they only make 1 attack ever right?

[delicate mist]

Hopefully bikes get fixed in the liber

[digital igloo]

Like, saw it at neither of the last 2.0 events I recently attended, and don't recall seeing them at all at the start.

[nimble dragon]

So the same as last edition

[polar wadi]

It's honestly astounding GW's ability to build up Goodwill and then immediately shit the bed

[onyx condor]

Yeah the fact that they're using Journals as an excuse to further paywall what came by default with earlier editions while gutting so many options in the main liber just sours whatever enjoyment could have come from the journals.

[balmy creek]

There's a reason they didn't talk about legion units lol

[delicate mist]

Journal*

[kindred ledge]

The Prime benefits from our detachment better be giving that to our bikes or the army is unplayable till their journal

[swift gull]

As an AoS player whose whole stormcast army got squatted. I can find a way to make stuff work. People gotta get creative.

[glossy lintel]

Yes, and I'm okay with it being harder to take like 20 of my toy soldiers. It's if those models can't reasonably slot into a different unit that sucks.

[onyx condor]

And how some fans will brigade against anyone who raises an issue with it.

[digital igloo]

Is there some difference between having a plus or not?

[hard pewter]

And thats before we even get into the timing. What if the journal you need to play your army the way you want comes out 18 months from now? What do you do til then?

[scenic tulip]

tbh the bottom section of the WS legion armoury wasnt shown.

[rose chasm]

Gotcha. Was hoping for something that made IF storm shields make sense on them

Thanks tho

[digital igloo]

Not sure if harder, just take the detachment that gives 2 Retinue? Basic "can you think through using a RoW" logic.

[scenic tulip]

Ravengaurd leaks showed legion centurions could be upgraded with jump packs so...

[polar wadi]

Like, i'm running stormwing with artillery support (rapiers, tarantuals, deredeos) this edition was made for my army but i'm not going to out of protest.

[jovial otter]

What did you do with your celestar ballistas? I couldn't find anything reasonable for mine, there weren't even any decent proxies

[surreal hornet]

yes, + (or S+ rather) means its a modifier to a stat, a flat value is just that. S+3 is your strength +3 (7), S 3 is strength 3

[onyx condor]

Yeah that's the biggest issue. HH releases are SLOW. We waited a long time for the plastic melee weapons.

[polar wadi]

Good SW-themed HB rapiers? I had that as a plan at one point before they got nuked.

[celest lintel]

Reading the hypothetical other book
It says AM ZERO means you get no attacks
And AM, A means no difference
So if it’s AM 1 that means 1 attack with that weapon because it’s not + or -
?

[tropic granite]

AM is additional attacks. "A" is 0, "1" is +1 attack

[digital igloo]

Are we sure that is how melee attacks are being represented, and that it doesn't just mean "no bonus attacks".

[onyx condor]

Heck, TOW Journals take a long time to release. So most of us will be waiting well over a year to get some of our stuff back.

[hard pewter]

AM is Attack Modifier, not Additional Attacks

[celest lintel]

I can’t find what sheild does in the book 😂
It’s better than the 2.0 books but some stuff is still hypothetically hard to find

[wraith pasture]

I'm cautiously optimistic atm.

There's the main issue that legion specifics are locked to the equipment they get in their resin kits but there's a rumour from a sort of reliable source that plastic legion specifics are coming and those will fill out with equipment options

[kindred ledge]

If the armoury and detachment + prime stuff makes it so the army bikes can score that's at least something. So not only Mazan lists but also combined arms Scars lists survive.

The full bike army is very down the gutter. All bike HQ's gone is a huge kick in the balls for that army

[digital igloo]

That might stand to reason. If so, what a bummer, they suck just as bad as they previously did. Maybe worse. Weren't they Brutal 3?

[swift gull]

I mean it wasn’t flawless, some stuff is forever resigned to just looking cool on the shelf

[surreal hornet]

As far as I understand it, yes. I I is initiative, I I+1 is a bonus

[teal basalt]

I love truly so much about this edition, the army building rules and the challenge gambits seem really fun, the damage characteristic fixes a lot of problems. So much going for the game.

And then we see these leaks. Common wargear loadouts being rendered illegal, units still being sold being thrown to legends, several varieties of army’s being put down.

I really really liked where this ed was heading and they have truly stuffed it at the finishing line

[kindred ledge]

So, it's a temporary setback then?

[rose chasm]

Should be page 185-190

If that helps

[surreal hornet]

the biomancy slam is AM 1, the pyromancy one is AM d6+3

[slow copper]

Just looking at the RG rules etc. Are legion warlord traits gone now?

[hard pewter]

go back to the sunwell

[night barn]

There go my Tear’s with Assault Cannons… time for strip them

[rose chasm]

Time to Frankenstein 2.0 unit entries with 3.0 in my game group

[digital igloo]

No more warlord.

[polar wadi]

I love how they nuked the WE gimmick of mased chainaxes with a pen stroke

[wraith pasture]

If Rabbit Ranger is to be believed yes.

He says to expect legion specific plastic sooner than you'd expect and that the last resin praetor would be the iron warriors one.

[slow copper]

Oh, fair enough

[tired furnace]

so whats up with the no destroyers, why is it a big deal

[last bone]

I wonder if they're gonna put a second variant of some legion units in the legacies PDF with more loadout options

[balmy creek]

Mook mook

[kindred ledge]

No idea what that means

[last bone]

Ala the tech thrall certus covenant where it's literally identical, but they get the option for chainswords and mitra locks

[teal basalt]

It just feels insane, this isn’t a corporate move, it just feels like the liber writer was kicked in the head by a mule

[kindred ledge]

Hmmm ok. While nice, that doesn't solve our Bike characters being gone thk🤔

[hard pewter]

Oh I thought you were making a meme reference and replied in kind, mb.

[rose chasm]

WAIT DID KHAN LOSE HIS BIKE ENTRY?

[spring mesa]

no khan on bike weew lawwd

[digital igloo]

Kind of an iconic unit. Maybe few bought in resin from Notts, and those who played them kitbashed? I have one set of Notts sculps (RG), and one converted from mkV assault (DG).

[trim jetty]

he survived, gonna give him that

[signal hinge]

It's a Warcraft reference. "Black Temple was merely a setback." - an elf king whose people is addicted to the Sunwell

[wraith pasture]

I do wonder how affected the Legion specific units that were just resin upgrade kits for plastic kits are gonna be affected in comparison to the fully resin legion specific kits

[rose chasm]

Legacy pdf’d

[kindred ledge]

No sorry, I didn't. I was talking about Legion plastics apparently coming soon

[digital igloo]

Fair to say, White Scars lost their command bike entry.

[jovial otter]

Tempest Keep right?

[hard pewter]

@signal hinge explained lol

[kindred ledge]

I never played World of Warcraft. Never liked MMO's, have always been a single player person

[spring mesa]

you can make any list you want- except this one or this one or this one...

[teal basalt]

SoH legion specifics are in for a ROUGH time

[tulip garden]

why ?

[wraith pasture]

Tsons and alpha legion and imperial fists being upgrade kits might come in clutch here

[celest lintel]

Yep

[signal hinge]

Yup

[digital igloo]

Basically they're all upgrade weapons, so that doesn't really stand to reason.

[kindred ledge]

So, Destroyers gone, all bike characters, including Khan gone. Anything else?

[slate owl]

White Scars be walking

[balmy creek]

Scouts

[spring mesa]

+2" dawg

[teal basalt]

Unless they lose all that upgrades, and reavers get locked to chainaxes, like mor deythan

[last bone]

Was there a khan on bike?

[kindred ledge]

Hmmm, infortunate, granted I rarely ever saw those

[left pond]

Are forge lords gone

[rose chasm]

Imma laugh if the legacy pdf units end up having more wargear options than the liber ones

[signal hinge]

IF seem cooked from what we saw so far

[lilac wasp]

Yes

[balmy creek]

4 consuls also gone

[delicate mist]

Space wolves playerbase

[digital igloo]

Appears that have removed Legion Malcadors, despite having a plastic kit? lol

[random knot]

okay, i now allow every single person to be legally upset lol

[slate owl]

"Walk out with me. Walk out and meet them!" - Khan

[last bone]

And power fists, but I think we'll get away with it because we get sold axes

[kindred ledge]

Knowing GW, the chance of that isn't zero 🤣

[digital igloo]

Maybe I should just give up on White Scars entirely? lol

[teal basalt]

Justaerin do, not sure if reavers will still get the option

[last bone]

The legion melee weapons kit

[tired furnace]

i see so destroyers are guys with dual pistols and a single fancy heavy weapon correct?

[nocturne oasis]

on the plus side, record numbers of militia players this edition

[kindred ledge]

They might fix the army in the future, but I will 100% be playing Alpha Legion for the forseeable future

[quiet pier]

5 gone:
Delegatus, Primus, Forge Lord, Pathfinder, Mortificator

Also: DA Paladin gone as well as IF Castellan

[desert girder]

No, we are talking about bad things, thats a good outcome

[wraith pasture]

The prevailing issue so far is that legion specifics are locked to the equipment they come with in their kits

This is bad for kits like phoenix terminators or ravagers who only have like one or two weapon options being a full resin kit.

However for units like head Hunters or Sekhmet and khenetai and wardens they are merely an upgrade kit for an existing plastic unit.

So it would stand to reason that whatever options they could get inside the plastic kit they upgraded would also carry over to their profile still...

[jovial otter]

And rad grenades, and phosphex bombs - a very thematic unit

[teal basalt]

You could put the plastic weapon kit on vets, what’s that prove?

[scenic tulip]

i say thethe people in the know should show the armoury entry for the whitescars to show they cant upgrade charcters with bikes

[nocturne oasis]

castellan is a prime upgrade now]

[polar wadi]

As well as melee and rad grenades and phosphex

[tired furnace]

i see

[balmy creek]

The legion consuls are legion prime upgrades now

[surreal hornet]

We know the castellan is a prime benefit

[rose chasm]

Someone bring Anuj back to write our Fist rules

[desert girder]

To be fair, any hero I can equipt a Terranic Greatsword too is a paladin to me. But I will miss him.

[digital igloo]

Vets don't have a kit so are a bad example.

[kindred ledge]

If would be weird and funny as shit if only White Scars had bike characters 🤣

[untold pollen]

Because the justaerin kit doesn’t come with weapons. All the weapons come from an upgrade kit.

[surreal hornet]

I would assume paladin is the same

[lilac wasp]

Buddy you play Dark Angels

[digital igloo]

Basically, also the Justaerin, though.

[signal hinge]

IF Castellan is a Prime upgrade now

[random knot]

Didnt the sculptor of the primarchs say he was making a bike khan tho?

[quiet pier]

Why are other consuls not then? Like, Stormseer and Rune caster

[desert girder]

I dont talk about my sins, kinda my whole gimmick

[kindred ledge]

On the other hand Wolf players, at least you arn't in the Hawkhouse like us in 5th Legion place

[celest lintel]

Nuhuh castellan still there hypothetically

[languid jungle]

Haven't seen the sheet but apparently grey slayers still get their power weapons but less of them and more expensive.

Grey stalkers are deleted

[primal wadi]

Hate to be that guy, but where are people finding all the leaks? The Imgur albums I’ve seen show very little.

[digital igloo]

That's good news!

[quiet pier]

Exclusive for 4e, baby 😎

[wraith pasture]

We don't have either full rules yet don't we.

Could be an upgrade over an existing librarian consul

[desert girder]

If your legion isnt world eaters, at least your not in last place.

[lilac wasp]

Because they have models

[scenic tulip]

this is why im starting to think the white scars leaks are sus

[teal basalt]

Maybe they’ll be lucky

[kindred ledge]

Actually, currently WS is in last. All bike characters seem to be gone

[desert girder]

We had a guy dropping things, didnt want to scan pages because GW is actively hunting leakers

[languid jungle]

Caster of runes is in. Wolf priest seems cut

[lilac wasp]

No models, no play

[quiet pier]

I hate this so much

[celest lintel]

Hypothetically dropping things 😎

[onyx condor]

Half of them I wanted to use to make TF2 Merc Consuls.

[teal basalt]

Models, no play as well in some cases

[short tiger]

Terminator consuls it seems

[rose chasm]

How are autocannons even looking like since they cost 20 points

[lilac wasp]

Ahh true. My varagyr

[desert girder]

As much as I want to agree, at least you have a usable legion rule, thats better then feeling bad because your army is vanilla marines.

I should be fair though, if the IF rules end up being legit, they might be just as bad.

[olive bone]

QinXa rules ?

[surreal snow]

There’s a guy allegedly dropping them here and there’s some on /tg/

[primal wadi]

Was it just him saying what was in the liber or were there pics

[polar wadi]

They may have it in entries while the centurion is seperate? Maybe?

[wraith pasture]

The imperial fists didn't really need another model though let's be honest here.

There's more than enough conversion fodder to make a castellan.

Also we don't know the rules for the castellan maybe they wanted to balance it by making it a prime benefit

[loud berry]

Did the guy who was dropping things confirm there was no way for WS characters to take bikes?

[kindred ledge]

We all have problems here ye, of a different kind.

[crystal granite]

"If I did it"

[rose chasm]

Hey if everyone is shit then we’re all equal. Except RG

[lilac wasp]

He had pics, then he was doing Q&A after the scanner was getting hunted by GW and SN bat reps

[wraith pasture]

Oh hey is this the new "achean force weapons can't be taken by tsons characters" bit

[thorny jacinth]

sees models only have the options from the box, glances to Gal Vorbak with useless bolters and Mara Ghal with useless Plasma arm oh nooooo

[short tiger]

If that's the case why are praetors separate

[kindred ledge]

1. Their characters ability to take bikes
2. A way in their ruleset to make bikes able to hold objectives.

This literally makes or breaks their ruleset at this point

[livid citrus]

SN battle reports was hunting for him? How do we know that. That’s bad juju

[crystal granite]

Armistos gone too, yeah?

[balmy creek]

Yarp

[polar wadi]

No clue. GW makes dumb decisions sometimes.

[pale basalt]

pardo joined the server today and wrote in this chat first thing

[tulip garden]

Armistos might be in the legacy pdf though

[dusk turret]

Pics on 4chan

[balmy creek]

Oh snap and the legion decurions are gone as well

[wraith pasture]

Maybe some of the consul types have been condensed down or made into prime benefits or upgrades.

Again we don't have the full rules we don't know what's going on beyond the contents

[livid citrus]

What did he say? Guess only influencers get to enjoy the rules early smdh

[polar wadi]

They're at the top

[wraith plank]

how I wish I could grab a liber book right here and now

[pale basalt]

just search pardo on this server

[lilac wasp]

He said “hmm” and then the leaker said he had to stop for safety reasons

[primal wadi]

Ah okay. I’m not digging through 4chan again for leaks lmao. I can wait.

[lusty vapor]

anything new come out in the last few hours

[kindred ledge]

Why is he playing bloodhound? Is he legally obligated to do that?