So I am very very new to 30k never played, never seen it played I'm merely dabbling atm.
Supposedly lists are normally 3000 points? So I made a proxy list and have zero clue what I'm doing with it.
#Imperial Fist first time list building NEED HELP
clever zenith
zealous mango
Can you be a lad and import the list into the post instead of a link?
clever zenith
Can you be a lad and import the list into the post instead of a link?
I can try
LA - VII: Imperial Fists - Imperial Fist Crusade - [3000 Pts]
++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart ++ [3000 Pts]
Expanded Army Lists
Expanded Army List Profiles: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On
Allegiance
Allegiance: Loyalist
VII: Imperial Fists
Rite of War
Rite of War: Hammerfall Strike Force (IF)
HQ [110 Pts]
Praetor, Tartaros [110 Pts]:
• 1x Legion Tartaros Praetor [110 Pts]: Master of the Legion, Tartaros Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter, Power Weapon (Power Sword)
Elites [395 Pts]
Destroyer Assault Squad [130 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Rad Grenades, Warhawk Jump Pack
• 1x Destroyer Sergeant: Two Bolt Pistols, Power Armour, Chainsword (Chainsword)
• 4x Destroyer w/2x Bolt Pistols, Chainsword [15 Pts]: Chainsword, Two Bolt Pistols
Terminator Tartaros Squad [150 Pts]: Tartaros Terminator Armour
• 1x Tartaros Sergeant: Combi-Bolter, Power Weapon (Power Sword)
• 4x Tartaros [25 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Weapon (Power Sword)
Veteran Squad [115 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Veteran Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt Pistol
• 4x Veteran [18 Pts]: Bolter, Bolt Pistol
Troops [1040 Pts]
Assault Squad [145 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Warhawk Jump Pack
• 1x Legion Assault Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Chainsword (Chainsword)
• 9x Legionary [12 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
Phalanx Warder Squad [235 Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Nuncio-Vox
• 1x Warder Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
• 9x Phalanx Warder [20 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
Phalanx Warder Squad [225 Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Warder Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
• 9x Phalanx Warder [20 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
Reconnaissance Squad [85 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Shroud Bombs
• 1x Legion Recon Sergeant [12 Pts]: Bolter, Bolt Pistol
• 4x Recon Legionary [12 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter
Terminator Indomitus Squad [175 Pts]: Indomitus Terminator Armour, Legiones Astartes (X)
• 1x Indomitus Sergeant [30 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
• 4x Indomitus [30 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
Terminator Indomitus Squad [175 Pts]: Indomitus Terminator Armour, Legiones Astartes (X)
• 1x Indomitus Sergeant [30 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
• 4x Indomitus [30 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
Fast Attack [780 Pts]
Phalanx Warder Squad [345 Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Legion Vexilla, Meltabombs
• 1x Warder Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
• 9x Phalanx Warder [20 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
• 1x Rhino Transport (Reserve Only) [55 Pts]: Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter, Havoc Launcher, 1x Hull (Front) Mounted hunter-killer missile
Phalanx Warder Squad [225 Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Warder Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
• 9x Phalanx Warder [20 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
Storm Eagle Gunship [210 Pts]: Legiones Astartes (X), Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Hull (Front) Mounted Vengeance launcher (Vengeance Launcher), Four Hull (Front) Mounted tempest rockets (4x Tempest Rocket)
Heavy Support [240 Pts]
Heavy Support Squad [110 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Heavy Bolter
• 1x Legion Support Sergeant: Power Armour, Bolt Pistol
• 3x Legionaries (collective) [15 Pts]: Bolt Pistol
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [25 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Augury Scanner
Whirlwind (Reserve Only) [130 Pts]: Smoke Launchers, Hull (Front) Mounted Hunter Killer Missile, Searchlights, Whirlwind missile launcher (Icarios AA missile, Talonis HE missile, Thermios AP missile)
Primarch [435 Pts]
Rogal Dorn [435 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Master of the Legion, Storm's Teeth, The Auric Armour, The Voice of Terra, Warlord
.
I'm using new recruit and just adding/subtracting stuff as I see it
zealous mango
I see you have a liking for phalanx warders
Why not put the tártaros praetor with an tártaros command squad?
It'd clear some space in the elite section
I'd also take some stuff to deal with vehicles
But the experto here is @mild mason, come 'ere lad, help a fellows fister out
zealous mango
taking another quick look, you'll need some more vehicles
you'll struggle with enemy shooting otherwise
clever zenith
Why not put the tártaros praetor with an tártaros command squad?
I have zero clue
clever zenith
taking another quick look, you'll need some more vehicles
I thought so as well but it was doing this thing where they go to reserves
zealous mango
I see
I had forgotten that fist does that ye
I'm sure NR will let you mark that upgrade, just for clarity
I'd also give some terminators weapons other than powerswords
some fists or thunder hammers will go a long way into fighting other hard units
mild mason
Let's see
mild mason
Ok, there's a lot to unpack
First of all, all your units are barebone with no options. Units perform a LOT better if you start buying them options : artificer armour on sergeants, nuncio-vox and vexillas are important, augury-scanners on shooting units. You'll need to pick a heavy weapon to equip your Heavy Weapon Squad with. I recommend the Illiastus Assault Cannon.
You want to equip your terminators with more advanced weapons as well, you'll only get so far with a power weapon.
But really, I think you should join us in #vii-imperial-fists and simply ask "I'm completely new to HH, how do I build a Hammerfall List with Dorn ?", you'll get a LOT more interrest and answers !
clever zenith
how many units should I take then and what vehicles should I include?
feral kettle
Since Hammerfall restricts your vehicle assets but gives you armywide deepstrike, you can sneak some melta Tac Supports into your list for some deep strike anti-armor
or multi-melta HSS if you don't wanna chance deep striking that close to an enemy formation
I also think you're really paying premium for all those Warder squads. They get to be troop slots but they don't get line from this rite
feral kettle
First of all, all your units are barebone with no options. Units perform a LOT b...
I second the assault cannon in this rite especially since you can easily deep strike 10 HSS with assault cannons and just let them run rock
clever zenith
Is that why vehicles just start in reserve?
Currently what I got
LA - VII: Imperial Fists - Imperial Fist Hammerfall - [2985 Pts]
++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart ++ [2985 Pts]
Expanded Army Lists
Expanded Army List Profiles: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On
Allegiance
Allegiance: Loyalist
VII: Imperial Fists
Rite of War
Rite of War: Hammerfall Strike Force (IF)
HQ [535 Pts]
Praetor, Tartaros [535 Pts]:
• 1x Legion Tartaros Praetor [130 Pts]: Master of the Legion, Tartaros Terminator Armour, Power Fist, Magna Combi-Weapon (Magna Combi-Weapon - Disintegrator)
• 1x Command Squad, Tartaros [405 Pts]:
• 1x Tartaros Standard Bearer w/Melee Weapon [10 Pts]: Legion Standard, Power Fist
• 2x Tartaros Chosen [50 Pts]: Power Fist, Magna Combi-Weapon (Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun)
Land Raider Proteus Carrier (Reserve Only) (2x Sponson Mounted Gravis Lascannon, Legiones Astartes (X), Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Iliastus Assault Cannon)
Elites [265 Pts]
Destroyer Assault Squad [265 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Rad Grenades, Warhawk Jump Pack, Meltabombs, Deepstike (Hammerfall Strike Force)
• 1x Destroyer Sergeant [50 Pts]: Power Fist, Two Volkite Serpenta, Phosphex Bomb, Artificer Armour
• 2x Destroyer w/2x Hand Flamers, Chainsword [20 Pts]: Chainsword, Two Hand Flamers
• 2x Destroyer w/2x Volkite Serpenta, Chainsword [25 Pts]: Chainsword, Two Volkite Serpenta
Troops [885 Pts]
Despoiler Squad [205 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Legion Despoiler Sergeant [45 Pts]: Power Fist, Plasma Pistol, Power Armour, Meltabombs
• 1x Despoiler w/ Options [20 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Augury Scanner
• 1x Despoiler w/ Options [10 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
• 7x Despoilers (collective) [10 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
• 1x Rhino Transport (Reserve Only) [60 Pts]: Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter, Iliastus Assault Cannon
Phalanx Warder Squad [245 Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Warder Sergeant [20 Pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
• 9x Phalanx Warder [20 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
Tactical Support Squad [140 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Rotor Cannon
• 1x Legion Tactical Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
• 3x Legionary [17 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [27 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Augury Scanner
Tactical Support Squad [120 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Flamer
• 1x Legion Tactical Support Sergeant [15 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Artificer Armour, Chainsword (Chainsword)
• 4x Legionary [17 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
Terminator Indomitus Squad [175 Pts]: Indomitus Terminator Armour, Legiones Astartes (X)
• 1x Indomitus Sergeant [30 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
• 4x Indomitus [30 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
Heavy Support [560 Pts]
Heavy Support Squad [170 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Iliastus Assault Cannon
• 1x Legion Support Sergeant [10 Pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol
• 3x Legionaries (collective) [15 Pts]: Bolt Pistol
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [25 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Augury Scanner
Predator Squadron (Reserve Only) [235 Pts]:
• 1x Predator [220 Pts]: Smoke Launchers, Executioner Plasma Destroyer, 2x Iliastus Assault Cannons, Dozer Blade, One Hull (Front) Mounted hunter-killer missile, IF Decurion Sagittar (Augury Scanner, Iliastus Assault Cannon)
Vindicator Squadron [155 Pts]:
• 1x Vindicator [140 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Smoke Launchers, Centreline Mounted demolisher cannon, Pintle Mounted Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade, Hunter-Killer Missile, Searchlights
Primarch [740 Pts]
Rogal Dorn [740 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Master of the Legion, Storm's Teeth, The Auric Armour, The Voice of Terra, Warlord, Huscarl Squad (Deepstike (Hammerfall Strike Force))
• 1x Huscarl-master: Vigil Storm Shield, Power Sword
• 4x Huscarl w/Power Sword [50 Pts]: Power Sword, Vigil Storm Shield
feral kettle
Is that why vehicles just start in reserve?
yes Hammerfall states
"Models with the Vehicle Unit Type taken in a Detachment using this Rite of War must begin the battle in Reserves and may not be assigned to a Deep Strike Assault, Subterranean Assault or Outflanking Assault."
the idea behind the Hammerfall is the Imperial Fists are making use of their extensive teleporariums to rapidly deploy troops to the battlefield, and that your heavy armor assets will follow along in a second wave
lore wise, anyway
Your biggest struggle with the list as is will be how difficult its gonna be to score. Unlike in 40k, only units with the "Line Sub-type" can score on objectives. The only unit you have that can do so is your despoilers, who typically want to take an obj from someone, not secure an obj for yourself
clever zenith
oh dang, didn't know. so how many line units would I want roughly? 5-6?
Would Phalanx Warders be Line units?
olive ridge
oh dang, didn't know. so how many line units would I want roughly? 5-6?
Generally 1 + 1 per 1000
So in a 3k list 4 at minimum
clever zenith
Generally 1 + 1 per 1000
Ok thanks, updated list
LA - VII: Imperial Fists - Imperial Fist Hammerfall - [2999 Pts]
++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart ++ [2999 Pts]
Expanded Army Lists
Expanded Army List Profiles: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On
Allegiance
Allegiance: Loyalist
VII: Imperial Fists
Rite of War
Rite of War: Hammerfall Strike Force (IF)
HQ [500 Pts]
Alexis Polux [500 Pts]: Artificer Armour, Frag Grenades, Iron Halo, Krak Grenades, Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun, Master of the Legion, Solarite Power Gauntlet, Vigil Storm Shield, Warlord, Huscarl Squad (Deepstike (Hammerfall Strike Force))
• 1x Huscarl-master [10 Pts]: Vigil Storm Shield, Power Sword, Grenade Harness
• 4x Huscarl w/Power Sword [50 Pts]: Power Sword, Vigil Storm Shield
Elites [440 Pts]
Castra Ferrum Dreadnought Talon [175 Pts]:
• 1x Castra Ferrum Dreadnought [175 Pts]: Gravis Lascannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Iliastus Assault Cannon, Searchlights
Destroyer Assault Squad [265 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Rad Grenades, Warhawk Jump Pack, Meltabombs, Deepstike (Hammerfall Strike Force)
• 1x Destroyer Sergeant [50 Pts]: Power Fist, Two Volkite Serpenta, Phosphex Bomb, Artificer Armour
• 2x Destroyer w/2x Hand Flamers, Chainsword [20 Pts]: Chainsword, Two Hand Flamers
• 2x Destroyer w/2x Volkite Serpenta, Chainsword [25 Pts]: Chainsword, Two Volkite Serpenta
Troops [1464 Pts]
Despoiler Squad [205 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Legion Despoiler Sergeant [45 Pts]: Power Fist, Plasma Pistol, Power Armour, Meltabombs
• 1x Despoiler w/ Options [20 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Augury Scanner
• 1x Despoiler w/ Options [10 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
• 7x Despoilers (collective) [10 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
• 1x Rhino Transport (Reserve Only) [60 Pts]: Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter, Iliastus Assault Cannon
Phalanx Warder Squad [590 Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Deepstike (Hammerfall Strike Force), Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox, Meltabombs
• 1x Warder Sergeant [20 Pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
• 15x Phalanx Warder [20 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Axe
• 4x Phalanx Warder w/Special Weapon (1 in 5) [30 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Power Axe, Magna Combi-Weapon - Meltagun
Tactical Squad (Inductii) [222 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Inductii, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Deepstike (Hammerfall Strike Force)
• 1x Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
• 7x Legionary [15 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [25 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Augury Scanner, Chainsword (Chainsword)
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [25 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-Vox, Chainsword (Chainsword)
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [27 Pts]: Chain Bayonet, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla, Chainsword (Chainsword)
Tactical Squad (Inductii) [222 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Inductii, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Deepstike (Hammerfall Strike Force)
• 1x Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
• 7x Legionary [15 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chainsword
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [25 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Augury Scanner, Chainsword (Chainsword)
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [25 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-Vox, Chainsword (Chainsword)
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [27 Pts]: Chain Bayonet, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla, Chainsword (Chainsword)
Terminator Indomitus Squad [225 Pts]: Indomitus Terminator Armour, Legiones Astartes (X), Deepstike (Hammerfall Strike Force), Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-Vox
• 1x Indomitus Sergeant [30 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
• 4x Indomitus [30 Pts]: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
Fast Attack [40 Pts]
Tarantula Sentry Gun Battery [40 Pts]:
• 3x Tarantula w/Heavy Bolters [20 Pts]: 2x Heavy Bolters