Plastic Mark II / "Saturnine" Box

[lapis raven]

It's going to end up being Cataphractii/Tartaros again isn't it?

[thorny dove]

Watch it just be modern scale tartaros.

Though if the units of 3 thing holds up I don't think it will be.

[lapis raven]

It would be funny and quiet honestly, no one would be mad at that
But yes, the 3/6 man squad would be bad for them

[placid zephyr]

I beleive in 3-10 man squads

[dusk kite]

People will believe anything if it’s presented in a greentext format, huh.

[vocal badger]

This latest one sounds like basically Valraks rumor, to make it believable, with a little extra added on.

[rotund jungle]

Sounds like a wishlist. Saturnine dread we knew is furibundus not Saturnine anyway. They just added random shit on

But small speculation which is probs incorrect. The Saturnine having normal pads might be why they continuously being called shit

[lapis raven]

so like this?

[sly dragon]

I'm starting to ponder which legions would suit mkii, egg terminators, etc most (aesthetically). Sallies... death guard?

[rotund jungle]

Sallies, DG, Iron Hands, Dark Angels

[dusk kite]

WS for MK2, specifically

[rotund jungle]

Iron Hands mk2 (we love mk3 and mk2)

[lapis raven]

honestly,
MK-II opens up the floodgates for the Great Crusade
Anyone can and has used it early on.
Late heresy? Shattered legions, White scars and I'm guessing inducti units from most legions

[rotund jungle]

Inductii it depends as they either had the newest or oldest armour legion depending

[sly dragon]

Are we to presume that the mkii will be the same poses as the 6 and iii, so that all the weapons fit?

[rotund jungle]

With hope yes

[sly dragon]

Surprised no ones done a mock up yet

Mkii aesthetic laid over existing models

[raven yew]

They have at least line art

[lapis raven]

I believe I sent it in the thread already.
Lemme find it

[lapis raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810918408966111253/1326635605098106950/Screenshot_2.jpg?ex=6780252f&is=677ed3af&hm=6e0c6a9803d12d36c4f64d717f8267ff60e4384a5a437fc7c0d61bcb3e1d464b&

and that lineart, yea

[raven yew]

Ooh I never seen that or if I did I forgot

[lapis raven]

Not sure honestly
But this was an actual STL but I'm not sure from whom. I just found the picture on a local Warhammer server

[rotund jungle]

I hope if they look like that whoever plays a non iron hands legion really enjoys painting all the studs

[balmy hill]

Loggy did them i think

[balmy hill]

IW, most iconic art from us is with mkii and terminators are widley used

[sly dragon]

Ok the hype has got me good

I need this to be revealed at adepticon

I've built it up in my head 😅

I hope they're like sedivalles egg dudes

[vocal badger]

I am excited for MKII, as pointed out above the new Resin MKII looks good, so hopefully the plastics will as well. Once I can paint again, I will likely add some MKII to my Deathguard and Dark Angels. Tempted to do Dusk Raiders in MKII as loyalist-ish Deathguard.

[sly dragon]

I'm very much tempted to restart death guard from scratch with mkii.

Up close attrition force of:

Tacticals
Flamer support squads
Grave wardens
Quad mortars
Volkite support
Heavy flamers

Etc

Though I do realise with chem munitions flamer vs heavy flamers is largely redundant

[rotund jungle]

Lets see rules before i decide if i like or dislike

I dont want 30k 10th

[barren parcel]

I still wouldn't be surprised if these Terminators are just Tartaros. Normal, currently existing Tartaros.
The launchbox reused Cataphractii, and they're already the right size.

[loud pelican]

"I saw the box everyone wants to know about but have no information to give about contents, only my subjective judgement of it"

[barren parcel]

That's not gonna happen
GW is well aware that practically the entire draw of HH right now is that it's oldhammer.

If they were going to change it, they've have done it in 2.0.
Instead they clung to oldhammer

[barren parcel]

It certainly seems all the rumours are circulating around repeating the same non-information.
Which suggests to me it's all repeating probably the same Valrak rumour for clout

[rotund jungle]

But also 90% of the time Gw is dumb

[barren parcel]

Interesting the rumours have adopted two contrary positions to this 'emplacement'.
Some saying it's a Rapier. Now saying it's a Hydra.

The Rapier sounds more plausible to me honestly.
Although if it is all an new Dreadnought and Terminator design, perhaps an all new emplacement (for Astartes) design then makes sense

[barren parcel]

They're not that dumb.
It's been 8 years and 30k has only clung closer to 'oldhammer' as 40k races off to the horizon. It's not changing.

[rotund jungle]

I like the model ideas. Other than the emplacement

[rotund jungle]

I hope so

[sly dragon]

I'm very much tempted to restart death guard from scratch with mkii.

Up close attrition force of:

Tacticals
Flamer support squads
Grave wardens
Quad mortars
Volkite support
Heavy flamers

Etc

Though I do realise with chem munitions flamer vs heavy flamers is largely redundant

[barren parcel]

The OG dreads have already both been reimagined anyways (as the Contemptor and Deredeo respectively)
And eggsuit terminators have arguably been reimagined as Indomitus

And as much as I know people like the nostalgic fugliness of the old models, they're just straight up bad now. They would very out of place in a modern army.
I really we don't see more faithful recreations of those old kits

Perhaps we get new Heresy indomitus? That would be cool actually

[lapis raven]

that would be instantly recognizable though

[rotund jungle]

I think they work as a good thing though

Terminators which have heavy weapons, bulky 3, and battlehardened would be good but not op. And the Dreadnought idk it just seems like we have too many Dreadnoughts and i dont see it's niche

[lapis raven]

as much as I want to, I don't see them doing Indomitus for 30k, it would conflict with the brand new 40k stuff

And all in all, any leak no matter how credible or wild and unbelievable (like this one) is true unless revealed. And I personally can't wait for a reveal or nothing because GW seems to forget HH exists

[rotund jungle]

What niche does the furibundus have?

[lapis raven]

honestly, maybe a melee dreadnought with melta in the fists

So hear me out, they nerf the Contemptors to not have brutal 3 anymore and make the furibundus have that instead SO PEOPLE BUY THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE OP

[tame bolt]

0-1 restriction.

[rotund jungle]

Maybe furibundus are faster dreads

Atm we have

Castra ferrum, cheap gun dread
Contemptor, all rounder and good
Deredeo, sorta expensive but amazing gun dread
Leviathan, sorta expensive but highly durable with flexible weapon options

[lapis raven]

I'll go back to my original point
The rumoured dread was meant to be big... So why not steal the custodes telemon and call it a day

Literally easiest fix
LoW dreadnought idk

[balmy hill]

The true story behind ferrus death. Iron hands had to learn a lesson

[barren parcel]

Isn't Valrak's source some kind of exec that doesn't actually know much about warhammer?
So they just kinda describe it and Valkrak guesses what he's describing?
Which is also where the whole "is it a Rapier, is it a Hydra" comes from

[rotund jungle]

Why would we be getting a hydra gun emplacement for a launchbox

[barren parcel]

I would also expect a 30k Indomitus to be slightly diverged from 40k's, due to separation of lines.
A unique helmet would be likely, perhaps more like Tyberos' helm

[barren parcel]

I agree it would be weird
But Valkrak's original rumour said a gun emplacement
And this latest rumour said it's a Hydra

I think the rumours saying it's actually a rapier more likely though

The space crusade horizontal dreadnought could be something new and unique though
Like a faster, lighter dreadnought (similar to a Vorax in role)

But a Furibundus is literally just a Contemptor with a derpy face on the front

[sly dragon]

To someone not in the know, their description could easily be either a hydra or rapier. "Four long guns". Likely a rapier but could easily be misidentified as a hydra if the person, for some reason, thinks or is prompted to say its "big"

Bigger than the guy stood next to it, so could easily be described as big

[uneven forge]

Loggy did them based on MK3 before the WS character. They looked different. Gataroid or the other one I forgot the name of maybe?

[barren parcel]

Ah that's a fair point
The oldschool hydra flakgun had angled muzzlebrakes like las-weapons too didn't it?

Hell, maybe it is a Rapier with a new weapon option too 🤔

[stiff totem]

Valrak has quite consistently been clarifying that it isn't a Rapier in the big box, and that he's aware of the difference and that a plastic Rapier box is coming later.

[versed bloom]

I thought that the rumour was that it was a gun emplacememt that LOOKS like the old FW hydra

[opaque vale]

Yeah 2 sources have said a quad AA looking gun, the rapier rumour is afaik pure wishlist

[versed bloom]

And Valrak said rapiers are coming but as a distinct kit

I think my favourite part of this whole thing is the tension over whether or not these new terminators will have giant shoulder pads. It's a perfect moment of fandoms wrapping themselves in knots over the most minute details. Hilarious.

[rotund jungle]

I just want it soon lol

[obsidian schooner]

If we're getting a pom-pom, are fliers finally viable?

[rotund jungle]

Press X to doubt

[sly dragon]

Though rapier in the box is in line with us getting new rapiers

Crossing fingers we get a reveal next week

And that the release isn't too far behind ...

40k looks on the quieter side for a bit (chaos getting some small updates), what about aos?

My point being, is there a neat window for heresy coming?

[proud gull]

Probably June, that's when the last few 'new editions' have gone up for pre-order.

CGI trailer / Big launch set at Adepticon -> Post-launch set wave shown in May or June -> pre-order for the launch set in June -> release in June or early July

[raven yew]

Out of stock for 3 months from then

[proud gull]

Without going too off-topic, I think the going 40k theory is WE will see their one obligatory character model and maybe the rumoured Thousand Sons automata.

On the AoS front, Idoneth are rumoured to be getting a few new kits.

[sly dragon]

My immediate thought was awwww man June, then I realised it's like 9 weeks away

[rotund jungle]

Im hoping i can have a job to warrant buying the box set then lol

[raven yew]

Once you see the stuff next week you’ll have a few weeks to set aside money
Wallets will be shivering in fear again

[rotund jungle]

I have the money set aside. Just dont wanna use it without the means to replenish it

[uneven forge]

An AA turret seems like such a weird choice to include in a core box

[rotund jungle]

I know

[lapis raven]

Could that mean flyers are coming back?

Aka getting new rules and maybe even plastic kits just like the arvus?

[lyric rune]

we don't know that it's an AA gun. just that it's a quad gun that looks similar to the hydra

[lapis raven]

In all fairness, regardless of what it is.
This box is completely out of the left field. Saturnine termies? New dreadnought? Saturnine HQ? Quad gun something? AND new marine weapons?
Honestly... The MK-II armour is the only normal part. I'm a mix of excitement and cautious paranoia.
This can either be bad, good or something in between

[dusk kite]

it'd be so funny if they purposefully leaked some crazy sounding stuff just to drown the real leaks

[barren parcel]

Yeah so many of these rumours are utterly out of left field

Maybe they're testing for where the leak is
Tell every staffer a different batshit story, see what goes out

But more seriously, I wouldn't be that surprised if the rumours turn out to be true

I can easily see GW preferring to release whole new unitd everyone will want to buy, instead of releasing plastic Breachers everyone 3d printed years ago, or whatever.

And GW definitely seems to be cashing in nostalgia a lot recently.
10th ed Leviathan released with the OG Screamer Killer Carnifex (and it looks derpy and shit nowadays)

[opaque vale]

Having some new stuff is very in line with gws current philosophy off adding new plastic rather than updating existing stuff that's already plastic

[barren parcel]

But HH has plenty of stuff that isn't even plastic though

[proud gull]

Saturnine Terminators I think make sense from a... "plug the hole we've left for ourselves in the 3D printer/third party" market. It'll be rules dependent, but a generic ranged-focused Terminator is also a niche they could be trying to explore.

MkII is MkII. No comment needed there.

The Quad-gun Turret thingy might be an attempt at normalising people using Fortifications?

The 'Saturnine Dreadnought' is the one I'm super puzzled by.

[gritty jay]

Yeah it's getting to me too, I can't even think of the niche it would fill

[gaunt birch]

It's just weird

[tame bolt]

Saturnine gives them a Centurion-equivalent for when those disappear from 40,000, tbh.

Going by the way the unit has been described in rumours so far.

[gritty jay]

A lighter dread than a contemptor, I can see - but the size rumours throw me off

[proud gull]

Please don't mention that cursed thing here.

[gaunt birch]

Centurions are cool

[lyric rune]

since when?

[quaint gale]

damn

[modest bobcat]

Them being centurion-esque actually makes some sense

[lapis raven]

Finally
Exo-armour stolen from the votann

[versed bloom]

Presumably it's because dreads sell well and this is just the next flavour of that

[lapis raven]

Why not go the Telemon route
Give it a different name for the Astartes and release a kit for the Custodes too

And boom, profit from 2 factions

[proud gull]

https://tenor.com/view/fair-baron-zemo-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-fair-enough-seems-fair-gif-22912772

[versed bloom]

We don't know yet that it's not an astartes telemon

[lapis raven]

Honestly, it's the best outcome out of the worst they presumably created for themselves.
They make a resin kit in plastic and not only give the Custodes something cool and cheaper but also give something to the marines because... yes

But I wouldn't be surprised if it's an upgrade kit for the Contemptors to make them different

[livid abyss]

God I hope so

[barren parcel]

What does a Telemon-equivalent do that existing Dreads don't already?

[livid abyss]

Maybe the dread is the “Lucifer” pattern….

We havnt seen that yet

[barren parcel]

A lucifer pattern could be cool
It could actually look good and serve a unique functin

[livid abyss]

It’s been name dropped a few times.

In the books

[barren parcel]

That doesn't necessarily mean a lot
Black Library authors can basically say whatever they want

[vocal badger]

Have heard from Valrak and others that there are plastic rapier, coming in a separate stand alone box

[frigid epoch]

Valrak has said there are still plastic Rapiers coming but the turret in the box isn't them it's the big stationary one

[tribal belfry]

This. A telemon is already a leviathan equivalent. Therefore, marines already have a telemon equivalent.

[quaint gale]

There will definetly be plastic rapiers at some point.

[balmy hill]

Isnt the telemon a lot bigger?

[tribal belfry]

Its a little taller.

Width is about the same. Gameplay wise it has some stat improvements (like all Custodes dreads), but its core concept remains the same

[barren parcel]

It's definitely bigger
I don't think it really brings anything of value to the legions army list
Leviathans are already the big heavy Dreadnought (and atm are tougher than a flareshielded spartan...). We don't need something even more biggerer

[gritty jay]

The "looks like warmachine dread" comment from the WhatsApp screenshot is throwing me off too. To me that sounds like something missing the heresy vibe, and the studio haven't really missed with anything yet. Although I guess the only brand-spanking-new (non-character) unit we've had since 2.0 is the kratos so

[stiff totem]

tbf so long as we're not talking something as fugly and divorced from the source material as the Primaris vehicle range, I think we're going to be fine

there haven't been any indications from what's been released so far of SGS having the same issue

[barren parcel]

Tbh Warmachine warjacks do look quite a lot like Imperial Knights
So a warjack-esque dread might not actually be un-heresy-y

[lapis raven]

I'm not familiar with the range
how comparable are they?

[quaint gale]

i wouldnt mind something closer to the DAOT stuff we have seen, like the votann stuff, but begining to become imperial

[barren parcel]

It reminds me of like a shopping centre caricature of a warhammer thing

[lapis raven]

does look a lot like a questoris knight

[gritty jay]

"we have Warhammer at home"-ass design

[stiff totem]

the design language is incredibly similar and the differences mostly just boil down to proportions

[lapis raven]

"if the orks made knights" and you get that

[stiff totem]

ENORMOUS shoulders, weapons, and arms and the teeniest little waists and elbows you can imagine

[lapis raven]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-joyful-fun-jumping-jump-gif-548225909570223666

reminds me of this old cartoon

dunno why

[stiff totem]

tho I still find it a little funny that people call 40k the worst offender of XBOXHUEG pauldrons when this dork exists

[knotty epoch]

Blast from the past.

[stiff totem]

guess we'll see how the Saturnine termies end up...

[lapis raven]

didn't know you had leaked Saturnine available
do share more

[stiff totem]

new BA Saturnine praetor just dropped

[sturdy sable]

Re: Dread Niche. It doesnt necessarily need to fill a different niche, it can just be different looking and slightly different options. It’s not like MKII fills a different niche to the MKIII and VI we have for 2nd ed so far, it just looks different.

[sly dragon]

It also depends on what, if any, rule changes are made to contemptors

[barren parcel]

I think it really should fill a different niche

I think, if we did need a new Dread, it should be a Lucius as a fast light Dread

Like a Dread version of a Saber

[sturdy sable]

Personally I’d rather see them release a really awesome castraferrum kit than a new design. There isnt one available for 40k anymore and it is the iconic dread to me.

[sly dragon]

Their niche could be rejigged and this new one fits into a different niche

[barren parcel]

Please make them vehicles again
Monstrous Creature rules are horrenous
Just make them vehicles

[barren parcel]

Yeah a nice Castaferrum kit would be awesome

[sly dragon]

Literally anything would help the contemptor situation. Points increase, 3+ save, reduction of brutal, lowering wound count.

Anything

[barren parcel]

Although notable that the Venerable Dreadnought survives in 40k, which is the one that would be closest to a 30k kit

[stiff totem]

My ongoing theory remains that this "Saturnine" dread is going to be de-facto a revised and updated Castraferrum replacement

to get around the inevitable squatting of the boxnaughts from the 40k range

[lapis raven]

Don't care what they're called
If they're PLASTIC and look like and have the options of the old FW Badab War/HH Castraferrums then I'm buying at least 2 or 3

[sturdy sable]

Oh ya know I thought they retired that Venerable kit

[barren parcel]

I wish we had proper upgrade options for an Ironclad
Like, let it take reinforced armour for +1 toughness or whatever

[lapis raven]

That would be neat

[versed bloom]

This is an interesting idea especially if you consider the profile of hellbrutes

[livid abyss]

I reckon the new dread being big will use vehicle sponsons for weapons

Much like the old of RT dread arms on a round mount

A fist will be funny put back onto a vehicle tho 😅

[fallow sequoia]

I like that, it's an interesting idea.

[eager halo]

i dont see the point of doing mk2 when theyre so similar to mk3

[vocal badger]

Unless it's a bunch of them like March of the ancients it's not that bad. Lots of stuff can hurt them.

[placid zephyr]

variety is just nice to have

[eager halo]

well that's my point its not really variety

i think they should do mk7

[placid zephyr]

eh?

i mean they have had mk2 around almost as long as mk3 in FW

i would not be against mk7 though

[vocal badger]

MkVII seems more like a badab war type thing. Mostly only IF had VII amd only really at the seige. The last tactical squad is pretty moder. And has good looking mk vii too.

[eager halo]

mk7 capable with the current upgrade and arm pattern is where it would be

[stiff totem]

So they should do the armour that hardly anyone wore instead of the armour that spearheaded the GC and was still in wide use by many Legions even near the end of the Heresy?

[eager halo]

yes. and they should release a siege of terra campaign. once thats done they should then start a new plastic pattern with new upgrades probably starting with mk iv

they should rotate 5 armor marks. 3 4 5 6 7 but only do 4 per edition

6 years edition with a new armor every 1.5 year. and each edition brings a new pattern of upgrades

the interoperability of mk3 and mk6 is insanely fun and they should capitalize on that but be careful not to stagnate. that standard should be updated every now and then

[dusk kite]

You don't think they should do MK2, but you think they should do MK7 ?

[eager halo]

mk3 is already done they should redo it after they do 7 5 4 6

[sweet current]

what would they even redo tho

make it even bigger?

[eager halo]

like i said, change the upgrade pattern

[finite otter]

cyclic resulpts over how long? sounds like pain and suffering

[sweet current]

what does this do to mk3 tho

[dusk kite]

I know everyone has different opinions but I don't think I've ever disagreed that hard over a take in this server.

[sweet current]

like, congrats, there's a new set of upgrades? i don't see what that actually does for anyone

[eager halo]

new poses, new upgrades updates resculpt ect keeps the machine flowing and always have stuff to look forward to. people have unreasonable expectations

[finite otter]

prime example of unreasonable expectation. Is this what the HH demo would even want? we just want the basic kits for everything to exist

[sweet current]

you don't want mk2 because it's too similar to mk3, but you want new mk3 poses? what?

[eager halo]

if mk2 ends up looking substantially different im all for it but if the difference is basicaly visor and shoulder pads you could just release that on its own

[dusk kite]

that's not true

the legs are massively different

[sweet current]

we've seen the body. it IS substantially different

[eager halo]

we will see

[dusk kite]

we already have MK2 recent characters

see Hibou Khan

[sweet current]

this isn't a "who knows". we have seen generic mk2. it is incredibly different to mk3.

[modest bobcat]

Yeah saying the only difference is the helmet and shoulder pads is insane lmao

[opaque vale]

Maybe save the hot takes for general chat?

[soft oracle]

Yeah I might finally start making IW with Mk2, though I do wanna reserve at least 10 for Salamanders.

[stark valve]

If I did something, it might be Imp Fists to go with some Mk2 assault marines I got in a LGS auction a couple years back

[vocal badger]

So much anticipation, I think a lot of us expect it to be previewed at Adepticon, hopefully it is.

[viral girder]

Yeah, theoretically it might just not be a thing at all in the coming few months

[quaint gale]

what if its not even horus heresy but unification war

and GW have just gaslit everyone

[gaunt birch]

x doubt

[arctic reef]

it's going to be warhammer 50k you guys are just overspeculating it

by mkii they mean Primaris MK II smh

[quiet cargo]

I'm still waiting for it to be solar aux and for everyone to collectively be pissed off because they were certain it was gonna be like all this cool new marine stuff

Just watching the annoucer know that regardless of what happens it's gonna go down really badly because he's seen the rumours prior to the show

I dunno the idea of solar aux ogryn being mistaken as saturnine terminators from a distance is funny to me

[arctic reef]

where did it being solar aux come from

[quaint gale]

yeah of course, but itd be funny

[quaint gale]

man that would be so fucking funny

what would the mark 2 be?

[arctic reef]

thats a good question actually

[quaint gale]

just a new armor, showed of in a diorama alongside solar aux? and the "salamanders" are just green solar aux, and the marines are iron warriors

[arctic reef]

where can they even go with the solaux range after they make the flamer guys, ogryns and the last few tanks

[quiet cargo]

they could always make new units

there's nothing that says solar aux isnt allowed new units, they already got the hermes and the egg sentinel

[arctic reef]

true but im not sure what they could really make

plasma dudes dont exist right? neither do jump dudes

do hope it is mk 2 and saturnine stuff and not solaux though. Would like to make a thousand sons kt wearing it

[quiet cargo]

stuff to actually make them void based drop troops

for an army that was birthed in the stars they have an awful lack of actual ability to fight in that

unless they plan to shoot dracsians at ships

or use the equivalent of ford transit vans in space for operations

[fallow sequoia]

I would love grav chute/jump pack auxiliaries

[modest bobcat]

IF the 4chan imperialis rumours are correct then they'd likely make the jump to 30k too.

They suggest jump troops, special weapon troops, "chemical warfare" troops and new AA and TD russ variants

[arctic reef]

that's neat

I feel like that wouldn't drop for a while tbh but if they do that ill pick up Aux again

[modest bobcat]

The chemical warfare guys especially sound cool

[jade star]

Saturnine Rams. SolAux orginating from Saturn

[river condor]

I think we're likely to see everything on Wednesday. Last time we got the trailer and box reveal at the same time and then a weekly in depth article about each kit on a Thursday

[lapis raven]

Hopefully

And what I'm most interested in is, IF they actually do saturnine and stuff, I would LOVE to see the rationale behind those kits. That is if they give any

[modest bobcat]

My gut is saying that if we do get "Saturnine" they'll be toned down quite a bit.

[lapis raven]

Maybe. And that's probably for the better. It won't look THAT out of place
What I'm more afraid of is the aspect and function of the "dreadnought"
How will it look? Because we already have a vague idea about the "Saturnine" terminators. We know nothing about the dreadnought honestly

[sly dragon]

I'm interested to see what, if anything, they do to certain rules and legions

[high mist]

Why would saturnine need to be toned down? They are described in one of the black books as being similar to tartaros and indomitus

[modest bobcat]

Because people think of "saturnine" as the egg men

[livid abyss]

Surprised there’s no potato cam pics yet

[modest bobcat]

GWs either plugged the leaks, we'll get some soon or it's not happening at adepticon

Have your pick

[opaque vale]

Photos are much easier to track back than third hand vague descriptions

And even a hint of leaking will get you off the free pre releases gravy train... Most people won't want to risk that

[modest bobcat]

Well, we'll hopefully know sometime this week

Was speaking to a GW store rep today and I brought up "hearing about a new heresy edition" and he gave me a very wink wink nudge nudge response so I'm guessing something is soon™️

[quaint gale]

litteraly just post anonymously using a burner account

and when asked just go nah i didnt. they cant prove anything

[lapis raven]

God I hope so
it's been a drought for plastic models for Heresy 🥲

[jade star]

Not like we got 3 awesome plastic kits 2 weeks ago 😄

[high mist]

Our local GW rep gave another local player a similar hint hint

[soft oracle]

Yeah I think that is the biggest hint that we're getting a new edition. Since the GW reps are already getting the go to hint at that to sew in some hype.

[soft oracle]

Yeah I think it might be that one oldhammer terminator that someone showed earlier, since it looks just like a mix of Tartaros and Indomnitus.

This thing.

[sweet current]

I want it. So bad.

This is peak terminator right here

[vocal badger]

I hope, what ever sort of terminator it is, it comes with a load out other than combi bolter + power fist kr lightening claws. Not that I don't like those, i do, it's just, well, we need options. The rumors of plasma guns has me very interested. Dark Angles noises

[high mist]

Worst part of the rumors tbh is it sounds like just 2 preators again, So many cool consul options they could do instead.

[gritty jay]

what is a stock praetor if not conversion fodder for another character

[frigid epoch]

Eh starter boxes usually will want to stay as generic as possible

Especially since it's new armor types so it's a good base to build off of

[high mist]

I think BAC did it the best tbh, but thats just my personal preference.

[vocal badger]

They should release a lot for 5 marines with fancy armor and weapon options to build the console from.

[high mist]

Even something like the old SM captain kit would be welcome

[vocal badger]

Yes, very much so.

I would love to see a plastic take on the "masters of the chapter" for horus heresy though.

[frigid epoch]

The 40K exalted sorcerer box is a great example

[opaque vale]

They don't need proof, get some metadata anywhere near your address? Good bye gravy train and for what? Some internet clout for thirty seconds? Don't be daft.

[quaint gale]

do you really think GW would go to those kinds of lenghts over a leak?

that dosent sound genuine reading it back but i do mean that as a genuine question

[raven yew]

Who cares about potato pics now with less than a week to go

[sweet current]

WotC would

[quaint gale]

WoTC are the company i point to as proof GW could be so much worse

[opaque vale]

They absolutely do, one guy screwed up his scheduled post last heresy edition and straight on the black list despite being a prominent creator

[quaint gale]

But thats not the same as looking for metadata, is it?

[sly dragon]

Not hard to take an educated guess at who took a photo. Who works in that warehouse, who was on shift that day, and who was on that delivery immediately narrows it down to a few people perhaps

I mean, location is often encoded into metadata of photos and takes a whole 5 seconds to find out

[raven yew]

Not to say it is but my work has my name on system for jobs I do and material I use so it’s easy to type my name in to see what I’ve been doing
Amazon has scanners which know where you are working and what you’re scanning all the time

So yeah potato leaks from the warehouse are tracked easily enough these days

[sly dragon]

Look at geoguessing. It's bonkers what people can ascertain from the most basic of things. Even a small stain on a wall in the backdrop can pin a photo on you. Innocuous stuff

[opaque vale]

They have apparently used meta data before, and identifying someone's wedding ring and sending copies of rules with specific differences... They hate leakers.

[sweet current]

Hating leakers is kinda fair, imo

[raven yew]

I mean the quality of leaks is always shit so yeah I’d be pissed as well

[sly dragon]

Yeah a badly timed leak can undo a crapload of marketing and logistics effort

Multimillions if it's around Xmas and competing with a rival product

[sweet current]

It would suck to be the marketing guy who’s spent hours making a hype campaign for a release, only for it to be ruined cause some guy decided to put a picture of your thing up on the web

[sly dragon]

Potentially even months on some products

[loud pelican]

please think of the marketing guys XD

[raven yew]

Well hopefully we get a nice wee teaser and look this week instead of grainy leaks to kill the hype

[knotty epoch]

Somewhat dumb question here.

Is there a chance that Saturnine is just the studded Indomitus?

[sweet current]

Probably

[raven yew]

All we have about saturnine is pure guesswork so yours is as good as anyone else’s

[sly dragon]

I'd just be happy with some cool mkii marines. Anything else is a bonus

[knotty epoch]

My reason behind this guess is the armour mark timeline they provided not long ago.

Saturnine is an Age of Darkness invention, that to me implies it's the same phylosophy as Mark V. Cheap to repair, cheap to make, worse quality but you don't have much else.

[sly dragon]

It would be interesting to go back and analyse what's actually been said. Like, when and who said saturine, who said egg terminators, etc. Cause a lot of this is circular logic and self referential

[tribal belfry]

Or we just wait 3 days

[knotty epoch]

Many things rest on what will be the silhouettes huh.

[tribal belfry]

Whether they show the box or a trailer, we'll get a good idea of what new models to expect at launch

[sweet current]

The fandom assumes “saturnine = egg”

[knotty epoch]

We all know that about an hour prior to the show images with pixels I can count on one hand will end up on like Bolter & Chainsword or something.

[sweet current]

2x2 pixel image is wild

2p ☠️

[knotty epoch]

"One frame per sometimes" unboxing video.

[opaque vale]

To be fair gw marketing kinda sucks and they get what they deserve, especially SDS.

[arctic reef]

I'd actually prefer this

[stiff geode]

a lot of talk about saturnine pattern

but not much talk about who gets it

would be pretty funny if it was a solar aux terminator unit

[sly dragon]

Are we presuming new legion rules?

Be interesting to see what they change. Some legions are notably worse than others

[gritty jay]

I think the most likely leak points to an updated core book where the libers are still valid

But maybe that's just what I'm hoping for lol

[sly dragon]

Ah interesting, so no legion changes then perhaps

Some players may be quite disappointed with that

Especially if they're branding this as sallies vs IW as per an older rumour

[sturdy sable]

I think this is most likely, but accompanied by a big FAQ like they have done in the past that rebalances the legions.

I would not be surprised to see a big FAQ and updated Libers, but the old ones stay usable with the FAQ document.

[high mist]

One rumor had suggested something like this would be the case. Though I think there is a certain amount of wild speculation going on labeled as rumors

[sturdy sable]

They did it a couple times last edition, once I think when book III was out and the “core” legions were out, but the Istvaan III legions were written during 5th edition, and a couple more times as the rest of the legions made their appearances.

It’s easy to forget that the black books spanned like 4 40k editons, even if it was only 5th-7th that heresy interacted with

[lapis raven]

Perhaps a new Black book series?
That would actually be cool

[sturdy sable]

I wouldnt hold out hope for that, to be honest. I think the current format is likely to stick around as it’s how they do other games like necromunda, LI, etc

[lapis raven]

As long as they show us something at Adepticon...
if not I'm revolting

[raven yew]

You’ll know tomorrow what systems are being previewed

[lapis raven]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-heresy-intensifies-gif-9412349

manifesting

[obsidian schooner]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see something like Arcane Journals eventually

[stone orbit]

I'm very ready to not see anything outside of a handful more mechanicum or other units come to plastic. There have been adepticons where the big Summer Release isn't previewed, but only hinted at vaguely.

[tame bolt]

2022, 2023 and 2024, as an example.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/OeZmsj7s/the-horus-heresys-new-edition-revealed-in-this-jaw-dropping-cinematic-trailer/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/UsZfiyXd/beakies-are-back-first-miniatures-from-the-horus-heresys-new-edition-spotted-at-adepticon/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jzwL2WVX/decide-the-fate-of-cthonia-with-the-first-horus-heresy-campaign-book/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ZfIqQUYp/adepticon-2024-whats-coming-to-warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

[stone orbit]

I stand corrected

[sturdy sable]

Even going back to the black books, Adepticon was often the first time they were available at a big convention, when Forge World would have a table. I got BookIII and the slipcase for the first 3 books at their table in 2014 in my opponent’s movement phase at my first heresy event.

[opaque vale]

I dunno about arcane journals, they've been really badly received in my group, though to be fair the discussion was mostly around the dire empire one because we all have empire armies pretty much 😄

But yeah, I'd rather have 2 more substantial books per year (supported by pdfs preferably) than 3-4 expensive magazines

[tame bolt]

Should also be pointed out that we've had a system trailer for each of the previous AdeptiCons.

2022 being Heresy, 2023 being 40k, 2024 being AoS.

So we're in an active cycle there.

[placid zephyr]

from the most recent Saturday preview they say that they don't have any HH

[tame bolt]

Ignore it.

[placid zephyr]

yeah i was planning on it

[tame bolt]

As stated before; those are wrong on a regular basis.

[placid zephyr]

they are likely to be "sneaky" about it

[sturdy sable]

Also there have been times when they’ve left something off a preview show and then immediately made a big announcement on WarCom

[rotund jungle]

An example is the last reveal they said nothing new for 30k. The next day the miniatures that would be previewed were shown in an outline and there was a thanatar calix

[placid zephyr]

Yeah that was a really odd thing, lead to a lot of cope that the model was like a knight or something

That and the Tsons too I think

[rotund jungle]

Some thought 40k mech were getting em

[lapis raven]

because 40k people didn't know what it was and they were coping
"bUt It CoUlD bE tSonS"

[high mist]

Yeah the 40k tsons were going bananas for that lol

I kept trying to warn them it was a calix

[river condor]

The show being on a Thursday will also replace heresy Thursday

Like when Horus ascended was the only reveal at a show and ended up just being a heresy Thursday but at a funny time in the uk

[stone orbit]

Man a new 30k trailer of the same quality of the first one would be awesome

I must have watched the current one 100 times

[tame bolt]

This is incorrect.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/K1oR0Sn5/nova-open-reveals-the-warmaster-is-ascendant-in-his-monstrous-new-model/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ItfFzfxa/heresy-thursday-assassinate-enemy-infiltrators-with-their-own-weapons/

#hh-news message

#hh-news message

[high mist]

Yeah I think there was another reveal show where we still got the heresy thursday as well IIRC

[severe wigeon]

They already said in the weekley video:
https://youtu.be/5wYlAzP7ERk?si=DWJkNiq_KTj_l4aR&t=23
40k, AoS, KT and TOW

[tame bolt]

Sigh.

Two things.

1. They do occasionally make mistakes in the Sunday Preview videos. We'll know for certain tomorrow when the AdeptiCon article goes up, but even that's not a guarantee.
2. AdeptiCon now has a precedence of having a reveal trailer of some description for one of the systems, case in point;

• Warhammer: The Horus Heresy Cinematic Trailer — 2022
• Warhammer 40,000: The New Edition Cinematic Trailer
• Warhammer Age of Sigmar Cinematic Trailer 2024 | #NewAoS

It's unlikely to be a reveal trailer for The Old World unless they had one planned for last year that was delayed, and we're still nowhere near seeing another one for 40,000 or Age of Sigmar. Food for thought at the end of the day.

Tomorrow [today].

[raven yew]

Yeah my message was in response to someone saying we better get a preview for heresy
Article states they will cover it today as yes things can be missed on the weekly video

[tame bolt]

Pretty much. Patience is a virtue here.

[raven yew]

Yeah either way we got a few days… the salt will flow regardless
But I’m just looking forward to new vehicles

[high mist]

Maybe they are doing on of the post credit reveals

With more depth the next day with an article

[sturdy sable]

Yeah there are a million different ways they could do it, announce it, etc

[versed bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-kent-brockman-would-you-say-its-time-for-everyone-to-panic-yes-i-would-gif-16136477

[proud gull]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-window-gif-33941860161207545

[sturdy sable]

https://tenor.com/view/balthazar-elephant-bart-simpson-radio-gif-7996386598900511892

[river condor]

Well it's not on the schedule

[raven yew]

Doesn’t mean you won’t get a teaser trailer at the end

[jade star]

Copium runs strong I see 😂

[raven yew]

Not for me, I haven’t bought any plastic kits for heresy since 2nd
I just like to see what options there are

[trim sun]

I can imagine someone from GW reading through all the heated rumor discussion about whether HH is ready for 3.0, and thinking, "Yikes, we're actually not releasing anything..."

[sweet current]

“Guys, they think we have plans…”

[unreal lake]

To be taken with a pinch of salt because the socials team isn’t always accurate, but:

[tribal belfry]

I guess we'll find out in a few days

[fallow sequoia]

Don't worry guys, they're just keeping up the act. Surely there will be a surprise reveal.

[river condor]

Looking back at 2022

They had 30k listed for the trailer drop on the preview

[barren parcel]

I remember, the new icon was a whole thing

[rotund jungle]

Could be that it was meant to be and it's been pushed back due to large issues in the rules during play testing or smth

[soft oracle]

Wouldn't be surprised. Though it does carry potential risks if it turns out we aren't getting a reveal on adepticon since we have leakers hyping it up.

[barren parcel]

GW, delay a ruleset due to issues in playtesting? 😂

[river condor]

The next show is probably may as well

Which doesn't leave a great amount of time to do the usual hype machine marketing

[soft oracle]

It could explain the lack of build up

So, are we mentally prepared if we don't get a HH announcement in Adepticon?

[raven yew]

I got my comfy chair ready to watch the madness

[soft oracle]

Yeah I think we can't really chock this up to Warcom makong mistakes...... it's too consistent.

[quaint gale]

im fine with it

[dusk kite]

Oh fuck offffrrrrfffffffffff

[unreal lake]

The core rules of the new edition are no longer being playtested (before you ask how I know this, the answer is "I can't say")

If there are delays now it's no longer due to playtest

[dusk kite]

I was hyping myself up !

[livid abyss]

Books would have been printed ages ago

They have to ship them on boats all around the world

[next hound]

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is no new edition, just people reading tea leaves and making bold inaccurate assumptions. And what is revealed is just a new army box akin to what they did with the MKiii box with land raider and deredeo

[unreal lake]

Lmao if only

[barren parcel]

Classic GW
Why would anyone playtest a game? It's absolutely ridiculous. £40/book doesn't pay for playtesters!

[dusk kite]

I’d be fine with it actually

[next hound]

Same

[unreal lake]

They have playtested extensively

[barren parcel]

It absolutely is reading tealeaves

[dusk kite]

There’s only one thing GW should do if they want free money. Reprint the first ed Black Books

[next hound]

If you look at it the only consistency in all of this is rumors of a box. The „rules“ hints and leaks are inconsistent, contradictory and over 6months old

That doesn’t bode well for a new edition coming

[tribal belfry]

I guess we'll find out in a few days

[soft oracle]

Yeah, if we do get HH on Wednesday or Thursday, that will be interesting.

[rotund jungle]

Hopefully its soon

[unreal lake]

But the issue with playtest of any system is that you can never gather an amount of data that is even close to what you'll get by the end of week 1 post launch

20 playtesters playing 3 games a day, every day, for a year is approx 44,000 data points

If you sell 25,000 rulebooks on launch day and everyone that bought one plays a game by the end of their first week, that's already 50,000 data points

When you have hundreds of thousands of customers world wide, your playtest data iss almost always eclipsed overnight

[rotund jungle]

Im just hoping my Kytan will still be playable

[soft oracle]

20 playtesters is small.

[unreal lake]

I'm making up numbers to illustrate a point

25000 sales on launch is also tiny

[barren parcel]

I don't think GW deserves the justification.

Most of the problems with HH the community identified just on a read through and confirmed pretty much immediately when they started playing.
"Man, HSS reacting 3 times seems pretty strong... yup, it is"
It didn't take 3 years to establish that

[tribal belfry]

Discussion of the value of playtesting, whether or not GW does it, and if their current level of playtesting is justifiable is not related to rumors about the #1315338874175885423

[soft oracle]

It seems like it isn't happening at Adepticon. Like they're very insistent at this point.

[high mist]

I wonder what the 2 day training is for then?

[abstract orchid]

bummer but 2e is fun so whatever.

[digital merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/waterboy-colonel-sanders-momma-wrong-gif-20879568

[versed bloom]

"Extensively"? As "extensively" as 2.0?

[opaque vale]

The only extensive thing about 2nd ed play testing was the leaks

[tribal belfry]

Oh nice I dont even have to quote myself this time

[bold gyro]

When is the next possible announcement event?

[finite otter]

May for WH Fest

[river condor]

Wh fest or grand championship finals

[stiff totem]

Or them just whipping it out whenever they feel like, no event attached.

"btw 3.0 launches next week bye"

[lapis raven]

like on the Adepticon Thursday

Anyways, an estimative date for WH fest? 🫠

[tame bolt]

Typically late April / start of May.

Although we didn't actually have one last year.

Just a miscellaneous preview event.

[river condor]

Second week of may ish

[gaunt birch]

5slow

[quiet cargo]

Some of us aren't constantly online

[gaunt birch]

also no need to double post

[quiet cargo]

I just got off of work

[quiet cargo]

Ones the main chat and one is a specific thread for a specific rumor topic it's hardly a double post.

But yeah it sucks that there's gonna be no preview

I wonder if all the rumors are actually real then or not

[placid zephyr]

We will have to wait and see honestly

Not much we can do about it either way

[viral girder]

Its Discord. Its notoriously hard to check what info has already been written in what channel

[quiet cargo]

Or is some guy on 4chan laughing his ass off atm

[gaunt birch]

It's really not that hard.

[quiet cargo]

Tbh this is kind of like when I saw a new model come out and wanted to discuss it only to immediately get shut down because I was like 3 hours late to the conversation because I wasn't terminally online at the exact moment it was annouced.

Some people want to discuss things when they find out about it. Not get shut down because they weren't there an hour earlier

[quiet cargo]

It may cut into viewership of the livestream if heresy players think there's nothing for them there

From what I understand the point of live streams is so you can get an advertisement cut

[rotund jungle]

Alot will watch it anyway

Just incase

I wont cuz it's 2am lol

[quiet cargo]

Yeah... 2am is not friendly to us GMTers

[rotund jungle]

I gotta leave at 7am for col. Fuck that

[quiet cargo]

I wake up at 5am for work

So yeah no lol

[river condor]

The lack of UK and Europe shows has become really grating the last two years

[sly dragon]

Well, that's that bubble burst ...

[quiet cargo]

Yeah I don't understand why the USA seems to have all the big shows for a game primarily enjoyed in the UK and Europe etc

[sly dragon]

So does this cast doubt on the box contents too?

[quiet cargo]

Who knows

[sly dragon]

Heresy isn't big or popular enough to be worth a "sike!" approach, is it

[quiet cargo]

Tbh some of the box did sound like bollocks but maybe there is saturnine terminators and an artillery dreadnought and some weird ass artillery terrain piece etc

[sly dragon]

So what was the 2 day training for gw staff about then 🤔

[rotund jungle]

New 40k edition maybe lmao

[high mist]

Thats what I am wondering to

[quiet cargo]

Maybe that was also bollocks

I mean again we are kinda at odds with whoever originally spread this rumor

[sly dragon]

My understanding was this rumour came from a trustworthy source who's been correct repeatedly? Or am I wrong there?

[toxic skiff]

New man o’ war edition

lol

[sly dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-jeff-goldblum-gif-14058551

[loud pelican]

I'm not a big believer in Valrak, but I don't see how HH not being in the preview show should affect validity of box content rumours in any way

[high mist]

My local GW guy confirmed that part though and I know a few others have said the same

[toxic skiff]

Is there another game show or smth before the summer

[opaque vale]

Yeah this disproves nothing but the following of previous patterns... potentially. I mean unless they preview some other summer tentpole release its still all up in the air really

[stone orbit]

GW love breaking their own patterns. It keeps people guessing. They could surprise us at the end, despite it not being on the poster. They could have another announcement closer to the summer. It could also simply be that schedules got reworked and the need to restock much of the product that's been selling out over the past few months has taken priority.

Remember, GW's a publically traded company on the london stock exchange. In order to appease shareholders, having massive spikes of growth is actually not ideal. The ideal situation would be to have even growth across years and years and years. We could even see a reigning in of certain parts of the business as we get closer to the end of this quarter and this fiscal year, which is in May.

One of the major reasons that GW often releases big things in the summer is because it's the end of one fiscal year (ending on a high note) and the beginning of the next (starting off strong)

[river condor]

There's a may show and then the next is August

[river condor]

It's also the summer holidays for children their target demographic

[stone orbit]

true true

so, this doesn't necessarily make the rumors false, but it does poke a big hole in them. One of the common trends for rumors is that people wish-list stuff in ways that match GW's patterns.

[river condor]

I don't think it pokes a hole in anything really, valrak said he thought it would be an adepticon reveal which does make sense

[opaque vale]

Everything changes sometime

[river condor]

AOS last year had a full show to itself for the new edition box and content, while 40k the year before shared a show with other content

It could be moving to edition launches get a dedicated show etc

[soft oracle]

That is a good point.

I think if they mention HH getting their own dedicated show on the Adepticon Stream it will explain a lot.

[river condor]

AOS show was also slotted in where there isn't usually a show in April I fink

[lapis raven]

16th of May actually

[river condor]

Ooop I retract my statement 30k is ded

[lapis raven]

another month and a half...

WAIT

I may be dumb

@river condor

[stone orbit]

this is all assuming some big edition change. The edition change rumors could be incorrect and we're just getting a new box set.

[lapis raven]

21st of march
The mortal realms reforged event was for the second wave or something
Like we had for the Tyranids vs Marines for leviathan where the Tyranids won

[stone orbit]

Necromunda Hive Secundus didn't get any big fanfare

[sweet current]

It’s Necromunda tho, not one of the big 3

[next hound]

Exactly this

[stone orbit]

Yeah, but this is also assuming that 30k will be joining the 3 year rotation, which a lot of people have made noise that they do not want

[river condor]

Ah yeah of course

That shits on my version still lol

[arctic reef]

Well thats a shame

[stone orbit]

It's only March, and not everything announced in these reveal streams is all that we get going forward. there's lots of opportunities through the year that we get plenty more.

[barren parcel]

Hive Secundus wasn't a new edition, it was almost a self contained and separate game

[sour zinc]

I would guess there will be a teaser trailer at the end of the preview show. Then the new HH edition will get its own show later (April/May) like AoS did

[soft oracle]

If it is a new box set then I would be happy. Especially with how much content its packing. All I'd need to do is get the AoD starter box, a Mk3 Battlegroup box at one of my FLGS', and this potential upcoming box set and I'm set for Heresy with so many space marines to split between the four legions I have.

[lapis raven]

You can still get your hands on the Battlegroup?

[stone orbit]

Yah, I've got a mix of mechanicum, solar auxilia, and word bearers, so really anything that comes out makes me happy

[stiff totem]

It's over. All playtesters arrested, executed. HH 3.0 rulebooks being incinerated and the ashes buried at sea. All starter box plastics currently being melted for re-use in new Primaris go-karts with 18 separate heavy stubbers.

[gritty jay]

it's what our rampant speculation deserves

[tribal belfry]

I guess we'll find out in a few days

[placid zephyr]

I have to ask fil is that copied to your clipboard for rapid re pasting?

[tribal belfry]

No I scroll back to the last time I posted it, and then copy paste that one

[placid zephyr]

Haha nice

[tribal belfry]

And Im going to keep doing it until I no longer need to

[placid zephyr]

It will have a long life time for use then haha

[sweet current]

i heard they're making firstborn ATVs

./s

[proud gull]

My dad works for GW and confirmed this. The playtesters will be swinging from the Sigmarine statue come tomorrow morning.

A lucky few were allowed to live only if they promised to take Dominion boxes home with them.

[arctic reef]

I can confirm I actually work for GW and created saturnine armour for nostalgia bait. Playtesters have been sent to the Eavy Metal paint team to learn how to paint en-masse kroxigors for box-art referencing and all HH 3.0 rulebooks got tossed in the shredder to make more 40k codexes

[stone orbit]

I'm actually a shareholder on GW's board of directors and we recently saw that GW are releasing a "primaris grot" army, followed by a "primaris dark eldar" army where everything is twice the size of what it used to be and up-detailed so that GW can charge more for it and make us all happy. Also half of the lowest selling primarchs are being retconned from the lore.

[tribal belfry]

Excessive doom/shitposting is not necessary in this thread

[quaint gale]

Thanks Mr dream

[jovial prism]

Epic was teased at Warhammer Fest 2023 (May). Release for August 23 (but delayed due to mystery error). Still a good chance we get a teaser video at the end of the reveals today (a teaser isn't a "reveal" by their standards). Could still be seeing a late June release

[quiet cargo]

Are we running a pool at all for the final outcome of the stream

Like final straw polls vote

[lapis raven]

I believe it was delayed because the authors included a nazi phrase in the core book and...I guess the marketing team decided to scrub the manuals and reprint them

[jovial prism]

thats just a rumor, like many others

I know a guy who had it early for the influencer review (they get stuff like a month before preorders to work on it etc) and he didn't recall anything like that. But he may not have read every page of fluff so I dunno

he did have to send the book back tho

[tame bolt]

Not even a rumour - it was a deliberately malicious post people were spreading around.

/tg/ moment.

[jovial prism]

if I had a guess it was probably just shitty quality of books

[tame bolt]

Wasn't even that.

Per a conversation with the WHW staff a while back - they just decided to shift the release date to later on so it wasn't eating up sales or competing with other ranges.

[jovial prism]

well, that would make it odd since they had to send stuff back lol

which is unusual

[quaint gale]

Whay

What was even the phrase

[unreal lake]

There wasn't one

As outlined it was a deliberately malicious rumour

[quaint gale]

Yeah I didn't expect there was I'm just curious what it would've been had it been true

[quaint gale]

Ah

[jade star]

🩸and honour allegedly

[quaint gale]

Huh

[jade star]

Thats the phrase that allegedly slipped through

[river condor]

This is what I heard from someone I trust.

[river condor]

This is something that has happened before with AOS product to my knowledge. Something was sent out and then canned due to internal scheduling so it was returned along with an instance where the product was sent back out at a later date after being returned due to a presumed change in release schedule

[jovial prism]

Ah maybe that's why then

[soft oracle]

Honestly makes more sense.

[frank zinc]

If something is shown. Are we expecting today?

[proud gull]

My money is on just the cinematic trailer.

Maybe a lone MkII for a 'Heresy Thursday'.

[jade star]

Nah, nothing at adepticon. Maybe some mech or LImp stuff as regular HH thursday

[trim sun]

Welp. Not a single acknowledgment of HH's existence for Wednesday show.

[tribal belfry]

Better luck next time

[placid zephyr]

mhm now we wait

[stone orbit]

will see what they reveal tomorrow. Plastic mechanicum atrapos for LI maybe.

[lapis raven]

If it's another LI release I'm losing my marbles

[stone orbit]

Eh, I know 30k players are hungry, but at this point LI players just want to know that their game isn't going to be abandoned once the rest of the mech stuff comes out

[lapis raven]

Maybe the next event will be Heresy centric with 30k and LI

[stiff geode]

LI sisters of silence
just around the corner

[stone orbit]

Yeah I could see that.

One thing to note is that the AoS reveals were pretty anemic. GW still gotta push out the soulblight gravelords, which we've been waiting on, but the fact they didn't even tease anything for Idoneth or Nighthaunt hints that they don't want anything stepping on the toes of soulblight.

This leads me to believe that right now they want the focus to be on Cathay and Space Wolves, and anything that might overshadow those needs to be set aside in terms of reveals for now

[vestal tinsel]

Saturnite dreadnaught leak confirmed :

[vestal tinsel]

(How many of you did i get with this post ?)

[rotund jungle]

No one, just looks like you are rage baiting/doom posting

[vestal tinsel]

Aw

Well i tried. Not gonna do again but yeah bad post

[lapis raven]

Jokes aside, this is indeed a possibility... It's tall, lanky and has a melta
You never know if the source was just oblivious

[barren parcel]

It's also small, only slightly taller than a normal Terminator

[opaque vale]

Yeah those are only 40mm bases afaik

[barren parcel]

They are
A weird choice imo, I wonder how they'll differentiate from the Terminators
I guess they'll be a little faster?

Would have felt better and more distinct if they were a lot bigger

[frigid epoch]

They are a few heads taller

[frigid epoch]

faster, heavy weapons, bodyguard for sorcs so they have something other than rubrics to lead

[tame bolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNwrau_LoR0

The Horus Heresy

• has heard that another reveal show is scheduled for May.

[lapis raven]

probably Dallas open

[gritty jay]

It doesn't have to be attached to an event, it can just be a random livestream

[lapis raven]

Dallas open is in May so.... maybe

[lapis raven]

hopefully this so it's earlier in May rather than late May like the open...

honestly for all we went through
It should be as early as possible

[barren parcel]

I would expect it to be with the Dallas open
That seems to be what GW normally does right?

[gritty jay]

huh well after a brief bit of research it appears you can register for a preview event at Dallas open when you go to buy tickets... although the website I'm looking at feels like a scam lol

[dapper palm]

Such a good find @gritty jay

https://web.cvent.com/event/4928ecba-01fb-4110-981d-1971e98f0847/websitePage:ad1e3211-142f-41e3-adf5-e0aa6afd4a41

[river condor]

That's gonna have to the be the whole ass box

[balmy hill]

Probably is if they want to release it in the summer window

[high mist]

No hype till we see the preview teasers

[gritty jay]

I must not hype. Hype is the mind-killer. Hype is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my hype. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the hype has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

[rotund jungle]

Is this chuckles?

[fallow sequoia]

It's a Dune reference.

[unreal lake]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

[quiet cargo]

Ah the goal post moves

Joking aside I wonder if any of these rumors will be revised in the meantime

[opaque vale]

Probably not, the core rumour of these minis in a box has ben consistent the whole time pretty much.

[proud gull]

Yeah, I don't think Valrak specifically said they'd be shown at Adepticon tbf.

[next hound]

New army box akin the one with mkiii and the deredeo — likely. New edition - unlikely

[opaque vale]

Plus, like nothing has been disproven? If there had been an announcement of an Old World starter, new paint range, warcry/underworlds/quest mega combo edition that would have sunk things but right now the summer tentpole slot remains unclaimed

[barren parcel]

I don't recall any of the rumours of a new edition saying when it was coming
The "when" was just the community reading tea leaves about usual release slots

[tribal belfry]

The only thing that was disproven was the community made expectation that it would be revealed at adepticon

So in practice no actual rumor or leak was disproven.

[opaque vale]

Exactly that

[tribal belfry]

And, in the hypothetical scenario were these terminators get revealed and they aren't the egg design, people are going to fucking lose their minds about how the leaks were wrong and GW retconned the saturnine design because it isn't an egg, despite the egg design being all community expectation with no actual confirmation

[opaque vale]

though now i do want warcry/underworlds/quest mega combo edition, curse my imagination once again.

[proud gull]

I'm going to be angry because it's not Solar Auxilia in the box. 😠

[proud gull]

So long as the launch box has Chorfs.

[tribal belfry]

I'll join you in the anger because it won't be SoS

[sweet current]

I’m going to be angry because the launch box doesn’t have militia

[jade star]

Which doesnt mean they are true 😉

[tribal belfry]

Of course. The whole "everything is false until proven true" still applies

But people taking HH's absence at adepticon as confirmation that the rumors are false are being silly

[lapis raven]

I don't care if they're true or not
Just show us god damn something,

Anything

I'll take any marine kit in plastic😭

[opaque vale]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[tribal belfry]

12 months of legiones imperialis reveals upon thee

[versed bloom]

Valrak seems to have this group of people that really dislike him for no discernible reason. I don't get it. He's giving away free information in a format people can choose not to consume.

[lapis raven]

Screw that I'm quitting Warhammer if the next Thursday is imperialis

[opaque vale]

Better than that, new blackshields line of proto-primaris

[sweet current]

Don’t threaten me with a good time

[tribal belfry]

I want to see this solely for the reaction it would get

[lapis raven]

• Perfect Scenario is a box of MK-II, reworked Cataphractii, Rapiers and A half of a heavy weapons upgrade sprue AND AN FAQ
• Likely Scenario: The rumours with a new edition
• Actual Scenario: Heresy is dead, it's been replaced by AOS 5th edition

[arctic reef]

People love to hate just to hate

[river condor]

AOS 4.0 is fun as fuck not as good as 2nd but still

I think Diaz this week or plastic armigers for li

[opaque vale]

I mean id be surprised if its not another plastic epic knight kit

[sweet current]

If it’s either of these, I will be be very happy

[lapis raven]

https://tenor.com/view/no-more-go-t-sam-mercy-stop-gif-4954655

[balmy hill]

What legions youre gonna selling? Asking for a friend? 😗

[stone orbit]

AoS 4th ed is a real good game system. It's also kind of refreshing to not need as massive a collection to get into it, but that's not really a discussion for this channel.

The big thing I'm wondering is if a lot of the rumors were just false and got reverb'd enough that people just assumed they were from somewhere legit, but GW never had a plan for any of it.

[lapis raven]

IH
Although as bitter as I am I should've been playing Iron warriors

[high mist]

Even just an extra frame of weapon options would be so nice for the Terminator kits

[quiet cargo]

The first of the new legion specific plastic kits

It's imperial fists

[lapis raven]

Don't care
if it's plastic, it's good

just do more and more

[quiet cargo]

"We are happy to annouce the new horus heresy fine cast range"

[lapis raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043377470050680852/1287837039836004372/attachment.gif

[eager halo]

why reworked cataphractii such a good thing they already look cool

[placid zephyr]

for some folks the proportions look very odd on cataphractii

to me their arms look small and stunted

tartaros avoid this from the most part

[barren parcel]

Cataphractii have correct proportions
Some people think Space Marines work like Orks when they get taller as they get more important
Those people are objectively wrong

[placid zephyr]

the height is not the problem, its the arms

[barren parcel]

They only look stubby because half their arm is under the shoulder pads and pteruges

Of course they share the same "shoulders as wide as they are tall with a hunchback to make quasimodo blush"
But that's never gonna change

[placid zephyr]

who knows what the future holds

[obsidian schooner]

You lose half your arm with a power fist too so it doesn't help

[trim sun]

The books give this sense. The important dudes are usually big dudes. The most important dudes are also the biggest dudes.

[unreal lake]

I'm going to hold you to that

[stone orbit]

A big thing to note is that on both the north american and UK site, there are several kits that are marked as 'sold out' and have no 'notify when available' button.

• 3 Sicaran Variants (Arcus, Punisher, Omega)
• Mk 4 and 5 Assault Squad (resin)
• Mk 5 Heresy Armor (resin)
• Mk 4 Despoiler Squad (resin)
• Mk 4 Command Set (resin)
• Legion Praetors (resin)
• Sokar Stormbird
• Rotor Cannon, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, and Cataphractii Power Axe upgrade sets (resin)
• Relic Contemptor Dreadnought Body (resin)
• Night Lords Mk 4 Shoulder Pads (resin)
• Phobos Chainax Set (resin)
• Mk 3 Command Set

Most of those don't surprise me. The command sets have been replaced by the plastic command upgrade box, and all those special and heavy weapons have the plastic upgrade boxes as well

[eager halo]

want plastic fellblade

[vestal tinsel]

Don't forget the mammoth, the siege tank and the fellblade and it s variants

[stone orbit]

The arquitor and mastodon are still there
But yeah the Glaive, Falchion, and Fellblade are gone completely

[fossil creek]

If the Heresy box isnt revealed here I think the mods should let us openly hate on Valrak for a day.

like a form of community catharsis

[tame bolt]

I mean, no.

[quiet cargo]

We shall show our disgruntlement in the form of mild annoyance

[lapis raven]

I won't hate on Valrak, anyone can make mistakes/be fooled by lies and subterfuge
What I'll do is, hate on GW because they keep delaying the box

[quiet cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-wedding-tradition-gif-17568538

[unreal lake]

It's not delayed because it's not announced

[modest bobcat]

C'mon mods, learn to live a little!

[lapis raven]

"they keep delaying the announcement"

[quiet cargo]

Tbh the goal posts will move again

Because once they annouce it it won't be when will they annouce it but when it is coming

And that will be another painful 2 or 3 months

[unreal lake]

Which in itself is only speculative

[quiet cargo]

Oh also all the people that didn't get everything they wanted will be upset

[unreal lake]

GW have announced/confirmed nothing

[fossil creek]

My main concearn is why we havent had any leaks to be honest. 2.0 got leaked like half a year before it was announced and the playtest rules were leaked a month before release

[unreal lake]

The fact we haven't had any leaks is probably a good thing

[fossil creek]

Is it

A leak is the number 1 confirmation that it is happening

[unreal lake]

So is an announcement? is that too much to wait for?

[tame bolt]

Rumours and leaks tend to create false expectations.

A lot of people tossed their toys out of the pram in the run-up to 2E as a result of that.

[fossil creek]

Well my point is that 2.0 got leaked ages before release but now months into the 2.5 3.0 speculations we have no image leaks

[tame bolt]

We haven't really had image leaks for any Games Workshop system for a while now.

The last major one was the Deathwing Knights back in 2023.

[lapis raven]

yeah...🥲

[unreal lake]

We saw playtest docs leak long before we saw any images of new 2.0 stuff at the time

See above as to why that isn't happening this time

[lapis raven]

Honestly, leaks aren't always the best
but what I want to see is

COMMUNICATION

Tell us something, ANYTHING.

[fossil creek]

If only

[lapis raven]

GW is whisper quiet about anything and everything they do
it's not cool to keep everyone in the dark

[unreal lake]

One has to assume there is a reason they aren't doing that

Even if it's a boring oen like they don't want to clash with other releases/impact sales etc

[lapis raven]

it's probably that

One more thing we DESERVE to see at the next reveal show if HH is included is a roadmap.... that doesn't say JUST "tanks", half of it is old stuff and the rest is taken up by another totally different game system

[quaint gale]

We don't deserve anything

But GW ought to perhaps start showing those tanks, seeing we are a good bit into "tank year"

[fossil creek]

With the prices GW charge we deserve triple the shit they give us

[raven yew]

They do tell us stuff tho… they had a preview to show us stuff due as it’s ready and fits their timeline
All the heresy talk is rumour and nothing else

[fossil creek]

At the very least a roadmap made by someone with an ounce of competence

[raven yew]

Yeah but you then get a detailed roadmap and it still wouldn’t be enough for some people so why bother with the effort when the result will be the same
Salt..

[sweet current]

LI Mechanicum got leaked about a week before it dropped

[quaint gale]

The secret ingredient is crime

[fossil creek]

The reason for the salt last time is because they did a bad job sticking to the road map and kept stuff vague

on a fucking road map

[unreal lake]

If you make too detailed a roadmap, you then have the issue of being nailed to a cross by the community when you don't deliver on it

If things go wrong people complain

If you don't give a detailed roadmap so you allow yourself felxibility, people complain

[fossil creek]

If the community nailed GW to a cross more often we'd have FAR less issues today

[rotund jungle]

Wouldn't a better roadmap be putting it in seasons rather than months?

[fossil creek]

At the very least just show some more renders like they have done previously

[unreal lake]

I'm curious as to why you think this is the case

GW is accountable unto themselves

Your only option is to vote with your wallet

[raven yew]

The first year they done the more detailed roadmap they had stuff delayed and well the salt
So it’s vague to give them leeway in the event of any issues

[tame bolt]

The community can barely be trusted to act like decent human beings.

[fossil creek]

Because the community continues to defend poor behaviour and communication then buys stuff which only reinforces said behaviour.

[tame bolt]

I'd really rather they didn't listen to the community more often than not.

[rotund jungle]

Gw is good they just have a monopoly so are basically just a police unto themselves

[unreal lake]

Pray tell then, what is the alternative?

[tame bolt]

They aren't really a monopoly.

[unreal lake]

They don't have a monopoly

That's like saying Apple has the monopoly on iPhones

[tame bolt]

The tabletop games market outside of Warhammer is nothing to balk at - Games Workshop are simply the largest company out there.

[raven yew]

I mean people got annoyed recently as we didn’t get anything from adepticon
We only expected one due to the rumour about a boxed set which may or may not happen this summer

[tame bolt]

But we're rapidly pivoting into #offtopic-general territory and away from the purpose of the thread.

[sweet current]

“The customer is always right, in matters of taste.”

[unreal lake]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[fossil creek]

Not excusing poor communication and not buying stuff.

Something the community doesnt do very well because it spends too much time defending its own exploitation.

[sweet current]

Actually, given this community, I doubt that. Lmao

[unreal lake]

Ok but I'm asking what you want us to actually do to make them change

[fossil creek]

Oh easy. Don't buy GW stuff as often from them. Thats the biggest way to get them to start taking a second look at their behaviour.

Getting the community to do that is a painful endeavour however. Seeing as it is a massive tent nowadays

[sweet current]

I thought most people bought from LGSs and Amazon and such, anyways?

[fossil creek]

Surely not from Amazon. They upcharge on GW stuff

[sweet current]

Can’t say I’ve ever seen that

Chosen
$62.50 - GW
$53.13 - Amazon

[barren parcel]

I think we can pretty reasonably expect an announcement only a month ahead of the release, two at most

GW likes to rev the hype engine to full, launch, and immediately forget all about it

[uneven forge]

Fuegan got leaked super early. Or do you mean images from books? I think some AoS images for leaked from a print shop last year

[sweet current]

And the Lord of Pox

[uneven forge]

Except for sisters. And slannesh. And khorn (I think). Those got render previews long before release.

Also old world ice kingdom (what's that called again?)

That last one was a big misfire

[sweet current]

Kislev?

[tame bolt]

Less accidental instructions / models being sent out, more "photos of marketing material well before it's due."

Deathwing were literally photographed over the shoulder of a GW staffer on the train a few hours before AdeptiCon lol.

Another example was some of the renders for 9e Space Marines that dropped a few hours before the reveal there.

Or more relevant to Heresy, the June 2021 leak which resulted in someone being sacked.

[uneven forge]

Ah, ok

Then it's just the photos from the core book of the cure AoS edition, I think

[river condor]

Starter boxes don't leak very often

AOS 4.0 had some web design bits leak a few weeks before which showed off some sections of the new models, 30k 2.0 was a real outlier

[jade star]

Technically one could argue they already fulfilled promissed "tanks" quota for 2025

[quaint gale]

That's true

[jade star]

Anything? Like for example previewing future releases almost every week?

[raven yew]

At this point I’d rather they remove HH Thursday so we really get nothing outside of previews
Getting weekly teasers doesn’t seem to be enough

[quaint gale]

Imo they should reveal all models comming whenever a faction is shown

[opaque vale]

I ant belive have to say this, but the reason we arent getting a swathe of leaks this time is exactly because we got a swathe of leaks last time

duh?

them holes got patched

[barren parcel]

Yup
The commissariat cleaned up

[quiet cargo]

They don't tell us because they know telling people about the future releases actively impacts their current purchases that people make.

Why do you think they let people purchase guard codexes only a month before a new edition drops and it becomes null

Me knowing about the tsons automata rumour caused me to pause on buying thallax

Until they revealed it and I realised the thallax were better

[stiff totem]

I imagine the reveal has probably fast tracked those thallax purchases 😆

[quiet cargo]

They might still have a place in my army but I need to see what the kit actually is like

But yeah they want people buying shit now

Ignore waiting to see what comes next. Buy now

[jade star]

They should release every edition they ever intend or suspect the will have togather with every kit and their updates simultaneously

[quaint gale]

Not what I mean.

If a model range is ready as the faction is introduced/updated they shouldn't drip feed kit reveals. Show everything.

[steep dagger]

I honestly had a few moments of thinking of buying the Cathay stuff because no heresy. GW knows us well.

[steep dagger]

Big if true

[dapper palm]

I mean it's original and beautiful in a way that yet more Marines won't be? Sky lanterns be stunning

[steep dagger]

Yeah but I basically end up playing Old World three times a year and already have a Bretonnian force

[opaque vale]

heh, its always the tension between "I need to save up for that" and "eh, they previewed that a thousand years ago, old news" but then 99% of my purchases arent new releases thanks to bargain hunting and picking stuff out in random LGS happen across 🙂

[eager halo]

the only people who are mad about GW are people who think they are entitled to the work of other people. whoever is not happy with gw to this extent should stop crying about it and just quit the hobby and give their money to a different company (or not)

im going to continue spending money on the cool shit they put out

[eager halo]

ill probably buy wood elves and cathay

[opaque vale]

Dont be daft, a significant number of people are passionate enough about the thing to care which means here is the chance your views dont align perfectly with the company at any given time.

Most of the time really, since Games workshop typically has utterly different objectives to the vast majority of its customers.

[eager halo]

this literally does not respond to anything i said and you have the audacity of saying "dont be daft"

[stone orbit]

so, there's no positive way this argument goes. Best to just leave it be. Different people respond to the hobby differently, and for a bunch of people complaining about what they haven't gotten is just part of how they engage with the hobby. If that annoys you, then don't engage with those people.

[soft oracle]

Heck, trying to paint all of the community one way or the other is disengenuous by nature.

[eager halo]

it really isnt even close to being the whole community. its a small loud group with takes that are ideological in nature

[soft oracle]

Still, trying to dismiss all of them is by nature disengenuous and not productive to any arguments. By treating them all as idiots you end up enflaming the problem.

[opaque vale]

Sensible, but to help @eager halo's comprehension, people who dont like the thing actually do just disengage, people who care try to fix things, like daft people missing the point by a county mile 😉

[tribal belfry]

Just gonna leave this here

Not directed at anyone in particular. Just, you know. We're watching

[arctic reef]

I think yall are reading too deep into it. Just wait a month and a half

Also not sure whats up with some people here being all ready to dogpile on Valrak either

[fossil creek]

It is because he's a human soyjack who hype-trains and clickbaits everything. And he's spent the past few months now banging on about the imminency of 3.0 in his typical fashion.

So when he turns out to be wrong it does warrant criticism in addition to his content as a whole.

We are the same with SN Battle Reports and Dungeons & Discourse.

But neither of those two have posted about 10 vids now talking about 3.0 and its contents.

[rotund jungle]

I love Sn

[tribal belfry]

Going to point out that regardless on whether complaining about valrak is justified, it is not justified to be doing it in this thread.

We have #offtopic-general for unrelated discussions

[fossil creek]

I dunno. When most of this thread is based around Valrak vids I feel like its not off topic to discuss him.

And lets be fair. The majority of leaks at the moment have been Valrak repeated stuff.

[tribal belfry]

Discussing the validity of leaks is fine. Complaining about Valrak personally is not on topic for this chat

It’s also repetitive as hell since it’s always the same complaints every time

[soft oracle]

Yeah. It's more constructive to just focus on the leaks themselves than the person.

I think May might make sense for the potential rumored reveal since....... I think other editions were announced in a may time period. Either that or maybe that's a sign that it may not be a new edition.

[arctic reef]

Hasnt he been more likely to be correct compared to incorrect though

He never mentioned a release date for it either. Theres nothing incorrect yet

If hes weong by then, yeah. It makes sense fo call him out

Hating just gets us nowhere imo 🤷‍♂️

[soft oracle]

Precisely.

Don't really follow Val, but he doesn't really give dates from what I know.

[arctic reef]

Yeah

He was pretty bang on about the EC stuff too right

[quaint gale]

Valrak states all he says are rumors. Not his fault people take his excitement at possibility for excitement at fact

[tribal belfry]

So anything new on the rumor front?

[sweet current]

I heard a rumor that it’s actually solar auxilia
*rumor may have been heard from my alt account

[jade star]

I had no idea that following Valrak and believing every of his rumours is obligatory 🤔

[tribal belfry]

^

[fossil creek]

I feel like we've missed the part about his over the topness and clickbaiting being the cause of most of the hate towards him and focused solely on him being incorrect which means the foundations of my point haven't been considered.

Sorry for the ongoing migraine filwilliamson but I need to get my last word in before I get another reply.

Done now I swear

[tribal belfry]

How about this. No one gets any more last words in this chat and we just drop the topic

Or at least move it to the proper chat (#offtopic-general)

[raven yew]

(Might be time to close this for a bit until we hear something new maybe ?)

[soft oracle]

Sounds like an idea since we currently have no news.

The pipeline is dryer than Death Valley atm.

[sturdy sable]

I am assuming we have gone over the fact that there is a preview show in May and it’s during a horus heresy event?

Like if it was just a general preview day I wouldnt necessarily think anything of it, but it being at a “Shadow War” event piques my interest.
I loved book VI and the Shadow War rules and would love if we got more stuff like that for 2.0

[barren parcel]

The exact date/location of the preview is known?

[tame bolt]

Dallas, yeah.

https://web.cvent.com/event/4928ecba-01fb-4110-981d-1971e98f0847/websitePage:ad1e3211-142f-41e3-adf5-e0aa6afd4a41

May 22nd.

[eager halo]

maybe just stop clicking his vids?

[tribal belfry]

^

[eager halo]

The Horus Hearsay

[unreal lake]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[loud pelican]

Is it communists? I bet it's communists.

[quiet cargo]

At this point it's just a cycle that happens again and again between new leak/rumors and new teaser/reveal

Everything is glacial until it suddenly isn't.

People are twiddling their thumbs waiting to know what is happening next

I'm willing to bet some people have even put a pause on their hobby until they do know what's coming next

Speaking of what's coming next what is actually the current running news now

Has it been narrowed down a bit more from the fantastical "super dreadnought, artillery emplacement saturnine terminators whole new edition" rumor

Or is it still just as broad.

I mean don't get me wrong I'm sure something is indeed coming but I've said it time and time again some of it does seem to be venturing into wish listing territory and I'm willing to accept I'm wrong on that when proven so but until then I urge on side of caution...

Are we even certain it's mark 2?

[sturdy sable]

I don’t think any new info has materialized.

[quiet cargo]

Or is that just what people would prefer

Personally from a practical sense it makes more sense to finish up the mark 4 release. But of course the moment that happens it spells the end for a lot of legion specific resin kits...

They have said in a stream that plastic legion specifics was going to happen in the future

So I'd assume they would only do all of this if they were ready to start the "phase 3" of the total conversion of heresy to the new format

[barren parcel]

I think "there's a Mk.II box with Ironwarriors and Salamanders coming" was a separate rumour to "there's a 3.0 and it includes Saturije Terminators and a new Dreadnought"
And people combined the two rumours?

[quiet cargo]

Maybe

Again something doesn't sound right either way

[eager halo]

IW and Salamanders are cool though

[quiet cargo]

And the plastic legion specifics was an off comment by an official GW stream annoucer towards the end of a stream with no actual timetable so it could still be another year or two away

[eager halo]

saturnine terminator is goofy as hell but whatever it might look great

[quiet cargo]

I'm not sure what saturnine terminators actually achieve

Like... we have 3 types of terminators already in heresy

And that's ignoring the Legion specific ones

[eager halo]

I think a lot of people may be looking for some kind of completionist collection

where the things that have been presented in lore are also available

[barren parcel]

We have "Saturnine but reimagined to not look goofy as shit" and it's called Indomitus lmao

[eager halo]

no but what about my manufactured nostalgia

[quiet cargo]

Also the release of a new terminator set will decide the fate of existing terminator sets for heresy.

Because if they're at a new scale then well...

[sweet current]

True

I want the knight one

[eager halo]

i doubt they want to rescale current terminators why do you think that?

[quiet cargo]

I think at this point it's a mistep for GW to tempt fate with a saturnine release.

Because either it's lore accurate and looks nothing like the egg-terminators.

Or it appeals to the fan Mandela affect and it looks like the non lore accurate saturnine depictions.

Regardless, nobody is gonna be happy unless the design team pulls out the most amazing design ever that it is instantly iconic and and makes people not care either way.

[eager halo]

i think whats gonna happen is that a lot of shit is going to garner complaints but its still gonna sell fine

because people will paint shit and play with them instead of complaining

[barren parcel]

Do we have any lore depictions of Saturnine?
I thought Saturnine's sole appearance in lore is a name on a timeline

[quiet cargo]

They're Already pushing rescales for their normal marine kits.

And terminators in 40k have been getting progressively bigger as well...

[quiet cargo]

This isn't it

[eager halo]

no?

[barren parcel]

Never officially called saturnine

I believe GW called it like Mk.I?

[quiet cargo]

This is the vulkan prototype armour.

This is the Mandela effect I was talking about

Collectively a lot of fans have actively bought into this misconception and it's now widely accepted despite not actually being correct

[eager halo]

I think saturnine is typically considered first mark of terminator armor isnt it

[quiet cargo]

We don't actually have a clue what saturnine armour looks like.

Only that it bridges the gap between indomitus and tartarus patterns

[eager halo]

oh well

[gritty jay]

Not according to the armour mark timeline

[eager halo]

whatever they are if they look good ill buy them 😄

[barren parcel]

Per the timeline it's the most modern armour

[quiet cargo]

But this is what I'm talking about though

A lot of people are expecting the egg terminators

[barren parcel]

I think the Saturnine armour was meant to be the armour worn by Tyberos and later became Gorgon armour

[eager halo]

i confuse

[quiet cargo]

Saturnine happens close to the siege of terra

[eager halo]

i cant wait for the only thing new in heresy this year is a bunch of tanks

[barren parcel]

As in it was developed after Cata and Tartaros

[eager halo]

thats not terminator armor oh my bad it is

[eager halo]

mid age of darkness

would make sense i guess

the only thing I hope they do with an edition change is really try to map each edition to a nice narrative timeline from core book to a couple campaign books

[quiet cargo]

I think the heavy focus on the siege was a poor choice

[eager halo]

siege of cthonia?

[quiet cargo]

Heresy doesn't need a 20 seconds to midnight take on events it needs a steady progression that follows through major events of the heresy

[eager halo]

interesting why do you think that?

[quiet cargo]

Happens seemingly near to the same time

[tribal belfry]

I guess we'll found out in...

What's the new rumored timeline? A month or something?

I guess we'll found out in a month or so.

[quiet cargo]

What event is coming in a month again

Assuming they use an event to launch

[tribal belfry]

Event in Dallas I think?

[quiet cargo]

May 23rd-25th 2025 at the Esports Arena in Arlington, Texas

[eager halo]

@quiet cargo how would you cycle a full edition from launch to next edition

lets say 6 years per edition

[tribal belfry]

Getting offtopic

[quiet cargo]

Because it feels like we've skipped the whole shadow crusade and all the stuff that helps build up to beta Garmon etc

It's like DC wanting to immediately do a marvel endgame style movie without setting up all the premise that made endgame work

[eager halo]

sure but idk this is the most on-topic place for this

[placid zephyr]

guys the mod is going to get the seal

continue elsewhere

[tribal belfry]

This thread is about the box, not how to cycle an edition (I cant spell apparently)

And we do have more on topic chats for it. It's called #offtopic-general

[quiet cargo]

Anyways I hope the dallas event does prove to provide a bit more content

For this heresy rumour

[tribal belfry]

Ye. Would be nice to get confirmation one way or another

[quiet cargo]

Or at least an acknowledgement of what to expect so we can plan our hobby accordingly

"I'm willing to bet some people have even put a pause on their hobby until they do know what's coming next"

[barren parcel]

GW only announces right before
I say we're waiting at least a month to hear a peep from them, probably more

[sweet current]

So you’re saying

They’re beakinators

[tribal belfry]

Honestly I’d be down with that. Termis with beaky helmets

[gritty jay]

good lord same, I'd be all over that

[sweet current]

I think it’s more likely that they’re beakinators than egginators

[jade star]

I would expect egginators. Which is a shame bc I dont think this design is usable

[barren parcel]

This is my fear and sentiment

[jade star]

I would be happy to be prooven wrong and get incredibly cool termies, but its outside my imagination atm (not counting very cool version by sedivalle, but it is highly stylised)

[opaque vale]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-sam-samwise-gamgee-lord-of-the-rings-circles-gif-17520001

I am so glad this discussion happened again for the 43rd time in this very thread, with some of the exact same contributors!

[barren parcel]

New to the internet?

[high mist]

Still curios what the 2 day training was for. I assume the content creators that mentioned having an NDA was probbley reviews for the cathay boxset? I dunno.

[barren parcel]

Cathay might make sense
It might be multiple things

[high mist]

I agree it is probbley 2 seperate things

[sweet current]

wanna make it 44th

[stone orbit]

yeah this happens a lot. Why put time and energy into game models that you don't know are going to survive an edition or for a game that's no longer going to be supported?

[eager halo]

the elites dont want you to know this but the beakinators at the gw store are 25 bucks all you need is beaky heads

[loud pelican]

GW adds dumb models all the time, 5 years later nobody knows how we lived without them

for example almost the entire 30k and 40k marine lines

[stone orbit]

It's always wild to go through the website and see things that you're like 'wow, GW still sells that? I haven't seen that on the table in 10 years.' on the flip side

[eager halo]

i should have bought the fucking noise marine with the guitar ngl

[trim sun]

Here in the U.S., I just go through the website and think "Huh, nothing is in stock. Still."

[stone orbit]

well, yeah, at this point that's the case. Apparently a big part of that is the glut of new hobbyists that have joined. A lot of veteran hobbyists, when they are looking for something and see that it's out, either find it somewhere else or just wait.

but a lot of new players will see that what they initially wanted is out and instead get the next closest thing

[soft oracle]

I think that makes the most sense. So much telephone being played.

[soft oracle]

Beakinators would unironically be peak.

[tribal belfry]

The beak is peak

[versed bloom]

The Votann hearth guard or whatever they're called, who have gigantic shoulder pads, have fluff referencing saturnine

"In the section that's just photos of miniatures, an image of a Einhyr Hearthguard model is labeled "FILE: 96872 / 348 / EINHYR HEARTHGUARD - CROSS-REF CODE 'SATURNINE'""

[soft oracle]

So it's likely that if we get Saturnine, it will be probably more like that one oldhammer termie with the reasonable shoulderpads instead of the ones that are CANONICALLY associated with Vulkan and the Pyre Guard.

I'm wondering if the rumored "Saturnine" Terminators are actually plastic Salamander Legion minis since the egginators are already canonically associated with the Salamanders by being created by Vulkan.

[versed bloom]

No one knows. Everything is speculation.

[soft oracle]

Yup

[opaque vale]

Itll be a cold day in hell before the first legion specific plastics are Salamanders though 😄

[soft oracle]

Tzeentch will be wondering where the sudden chill is coming from.

[quiet cargo]

What do you mean he'd be the one dropping ice cubes in khornes blood lake to make it freeze

[quiet cargo]

So the new tarantulas...

Are those the emplacements or turrets that people were talking about as part of the rumoured release right?

For the big box

[steep dagger]

They were apparently duel plasma cannons so no

[river condor]

Quad laser guns

[proud gull]

The rumour was "like the old hydra flak gun" rather than a Tarantula, so probably a good bit bigger?

[steep dagger]

Now that I think about it was quad guns. No ideal how dual plasma came into my head

[proud gull]

The Dreadnought is meant to have dual-plasma I believe, might be what you were thinking of.

[steep dagger]

That's probably it.

[lapis raven]

And meltas

[soft oracle]

Why am I thinking of the Mortis Dread?

[lapis raven]

It will probably be in a mortis configuration... I mean, any dread with dual ranged weapons is a mortis, right?

[rotund jungle]

The fact they gave us a gun turret makes it feel a tiny bit more plausible

[lapis raven]

I want to see the second option with Lascannons and bolters...
also, how many would be in a box? 3/5/10? I'm guessing they're rather tiny so I wouldn't like to spend too much on them
But since they're plastic I will want some

[rotund jungle]

But just seeing em put effort into making a gun emplacement/fortification makes it feel a tiny bit more plausible of hyra thing