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scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 6:13 PM

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++ 1. Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [1,675Pts] ++

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X: Iron Hands

Rite of War: +

Rite of War: The Head Of The Gorgon (IH)

HQ: +

Centurion [145Pts]

. Moritat: Artificer Armour, Graviton Pistol, Warhawk Jump Pack

. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. . Graviton Pistol
. Moritat

Centurion [95Pts]

. Champion: Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Bolt Pistol
. Champion

Praetor, Cataphractii [220Pts]: The Eye of Vigilance (Traitor only), Warlord

. Iron-Father: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter, Grenade Harness, Thunder Hammer

. . Iron-Father

. . . Machinator Array

Elites: +

Apothecarion Detachment [45Pts]

. Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour

. . Chainsword: Chainsword

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [180Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Melta Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [185Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Plasma Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

Troops: +

Breacher Squad [410Pts]

. 15x Breacher: 15x Bolt Pistol, 15x Bolter
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Legion Breacher Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist

Tactical Squad [210Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter
. 19x Legionary: 19x Bolt Pistol, 19x Bolter

Tactical Squad (Inductii) [185Pts]: Inductii

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet, Phosphex Bomb, Power Armour
. 8x Legionary: 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter, 8x Chain Bayonet
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet, Legion Vexilla
. Rhino Transport: Dozer Blade, Searchlights

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Allegiance: +

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Mechanicum

HQ: +

Archmagos Prime [180Pts]: Incunabulan Jet Pack, Meltabombs, Power Lance, Volkite Serpenta, Æthertek

. Anima Malefica

Elites: +

Myrmidon Secutor Host [375Pts]: 6x Graviton Gun, 5x Myrmidon Secutors, 6x Phased Plasma-Fusil

Troops: +

Thallax Cohort [350Pts]: Meltabombs, 8x Thallax

++ 2. Lord of War Detachment (Mechanicum) [420Pts] ++

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Any thoughts

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I was gonna get a herald to give myrmidons line

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Instead i got a champion

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Cuz he wouldn't have had a weapon

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So champ will lead some very ambitious Breachers

shadow stratus Nov 21, 2024, 6:27 PM

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scarlet reef Any thoughts

the iron father is going alone?

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or he iss gona go in a unit?

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 6:28 PM

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He's in the Myrmidons

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Magos in the Thallax

fervent steeple Nov 21, 2024, 6:36 PM

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Any reason you are running head of the gorgon

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Stubborn in your DZ and outflank on your rhino look... ok I guess

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 6:37 PM

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Not really i just saw i can have a rite and its the most generic thing i could do

fervent steeple Nov 21, 2024, 6:37 PM

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Fair

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I'm thinking that if your iron father is gonna just plop down with the myrmidons then it's probably not worth giving him a melee weapon

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The machinator array is good enough as is

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And you'll be trying to spend most games sitting back and shooting at the enemy as well

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 6:45 PM

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Yea but he's modeled with a Thunder

fervent steeple Nov 21, 2024, 6:51 PM

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Time for you to make a second Iron Father then

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 6:53 PM

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He looks so cool though

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 6:54 PM

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I know it doesn't matter because your Elites slots aren't crowded, but is there a particular reason the Contemptors are in two separate talons lol

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 6:54 PM

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lone geyser I know it doesn't matter because your Elites slots aren't crowded, but is there ...

Just so i can deploy em separately

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As it wasnt too crowded

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 6:54 PM

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scarlet reef Just so i can deploy em separately

That's fair.

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Those tacs and breachers are going to be rather slow to reach the front, footslogging. Which unit is the apothecary joining?

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And I assume the gravitat is deep striking

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 6:57 PM

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Apoth is in breachers with the Gravitat

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20 tacs sit on hom Obj

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:00 PM

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So the breachers are just a big slow deathball?

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Since they have three characters attached

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It does feel a little weird since the champion is probably not going to reach melee in the first few turns

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But, I footslog Gorgons. They move slower than breachers so I guess it can work

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Be aware though the breachers won't want to be in melee. Especially not with all those points invested in shooting weapons.

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They're only getting 38 attacks on the charge plus the sergeant, all at WS4 S4 with no AP

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More importantly the unit will lose their rerolls against Blast and Templates because the Gravitat and Apothecary are not Heavy

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scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:04 PM

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The idea is that

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:05 PM

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Just making sure you're aware of these issues. They're mostly minor, but since you gave the Champion the boarding shield I figured you were intending to make the whole unit Heavy.

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:05 PM

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Breachers scout with gravitat

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Gravitat leaves unit and jumps away with weapons

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So they will be all heavy

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:06 PM

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Self-correction: forgot the apothecary gains the unit's Heavy subtype

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So yeah once the gravitat leaves that'll work just fine

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:06 PM

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Only reason theres a champ is for the brachers to not run away as had 19 run because they couldn't kill a Praetor

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:06 PM

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scarlet reef Breachers scout with gravitat

Also this is a good point, I forgot Moritats even have Scout

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:08 PM

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I thought it through

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:08 PM

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Champion for Fearless is good, though personally I prefer the Chaplain's Hatred (Everything).

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On a unit lacking melee weapons though it's probably a moot argument

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:10 PM

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I rather champ too cuz he will kill anything really in melee they go against and can challenge

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Just a big line unit that wont run away or die easily and can kill dreads and hold up in melee abit

shadow stratus Nov 21, 2024, 7:11 PM

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lone geyser On a unit lacking melee weapons though it's probably a moot argument

also the breachers have very few attacks

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:12 PM

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shadow stratus also the breachers have very few attacks

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lel

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Everything else aside, I strongly recommend against actually making a charge with the breachers. You've spent 80 points on grav shredders and will be utterly unable to use them while locked in melee.

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:13 PM

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Yea but im tryna make em not run in melee rather than want to get in melee

shadow stratus Nov 21, 2024, 7:13 PM

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well .. a decent amount of ....combat weapon atacks

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:13 PM

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shadow stratus well .. a decent amount of ....combat weapon atacks

I wasn't arguing, I was saying I'd already mentioned it lol

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:13 PM

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I could have brought a Herald but they already have line so

shadow stratus Nov 21, 2024, 7:14 PM

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scarlet reef I could have brought a Herald but they already have line so

champion si the better choice here ..i think

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:14 PM

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And Herald dont give more melee

shadow stratus Nov 21, 2024, 7:14 PM

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lone geyser I wasn't arguing, I was saying I'd already mentioned it lol

i know ,dont worry brother

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:15 PM

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In any case, the biggest issue with the list imo is just the limited number of scoring units

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Four is fine but personally I prefer five or six

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It should stand up to most opponents but if your scoring gets tied up or blown away, you're going to be in a bothersome spot

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:16 PM

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Yea i can see what you mean

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I had that issue last tournament where my line was so like little it was a struggle

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:16 PM

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Separating the breachers or tacticals (or both) into 10-man units would assist the issue. Not a perfect solution, but a convenient one

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 7:16 PM

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Yea but makes em less durable

shadow stratus Nov 21, 2024, 7:19 PM

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you could use the inductii as outflank to keep them safe for a later scoring ..i recomend rhinos in this Rite of war but the 4 line units is totally fine .plus the 20 blob tacs are gona hold

exotic crag Nov 21, 2024, 7:20 PM

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I'd drop the champ tbh

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You could even drop the iron father, RoW gives you very little in this list

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It's a pretty gamey list, but I know that's what you go for. I'll make recommendations based on that but I'd probs not do these things

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Drop the iron father for a gorgon herald and make him your warlord. Drop him in the myrms 🤢

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:23 PM

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exotic crag I'd drop the champ tbh

OP's goal with the champ is making a front-line scoring unit Fearless in melee because he's previously had a 19-man unit flee off the board

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idk why vexillas aren't the solution though lol

exotic crag Nov 21, 2024, 7:24 PM

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Yeah 10 points for a vexilla 🤷‍♂️ should be on every scoring unit that can take it

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:25 PM

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exotic crag Yeah 10 points for a vexilla 🤷‍♂️ should be on every scoring unit that can take...

Admittedly I tend not to invest in a vexilla on units unless they hit a points threshold or have important wargear. A basic 10-man squad in a rhino will die before they flee in my experience so I just leave them barebones

exotic crag Nov 21, 2024, 7:25 PM

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I get the idea re the champ but I think it's off. Champ is only fearless in a challenge. And that unit doesn't want to be in melee

lone geyser Nov 21, 2024, 7:25 PM

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exotic crag I get the idea re the champ but I think it's off. Champ is only fearless in a ch...

Champ makes the unit fearless on the first turn of a melee iirc

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Neeeeever mind, idk where I got that from

shadow stratus Nov 21, 2024, 7:31 PM

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exotic crag Yeah 10 points for a vexilla 🤷‍♂️ should be on every scoring unit that can take...

i even put one on my gorgons xd

shadow stratus Nov 21, 2024, 7:32 PM

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scarlet reef Yea but makes em less durable

the champion is still a good adition that could force the oponent to think twice before charging the sqaud ,so keep him if you whant

exotic crag Nov 21, 2024, 7:50 PM

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That magos could probs do with some love. Cyber familiar and machinator array. He's gonna be up close and that big expensive thallax bomb could find itself tagged in melee early on by something that will tie them up all game unless you have a tie breaker

exotic crag Nov 21, 2024, 8:54 PM

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Scratch the machinator array, that would replace the jetpack. Maybe swap the power lance and melta bombs for a chainfist?

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Or rather the serpenta for a chainfist

scarlet reef Nov 21, 2024, 9:32 PM

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Swap bomb for power fist

exotic crag Nov 21, 2024, 10:05 PM

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Chainfist is better cos power fist is a specialist weapon

scarlet reef Nov 22, 2024, 6:37 AM

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But then i gotta find 5pts

exotic crag Nov 22, 2024, 6:57 AM

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You've got plenty if you cut the champ and iron father

scarlet reef Nov 22, 2024, 7:30 AM

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So lose head of the Gorgon

exotic crag Nov 22, 2024, 7:47 AM

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Yeah. It's not doing anything for you right now

scarlet reef Nov 22, 2024, 7:49 AM

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What else do i need

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++ 1. Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [1,670Pts] ++

Expanded Army Lists +

Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance: +

Allegiance: Traitor

X: Iron Hands

Rite of War: +

Rite of War

HQ: +

Centurion [145Pts]

. Moritat: Artificer Armour, Graviton Pistol, Warhawk Jump Pack

. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. . Graviton Pistol
. Moritat

Centurion, Cataphractii [145Pts]: Herald, The Eye of Vigilance (Traitor only), Warlord

. Herald: Cyber-Familiar, Gorgon Terminator Armour, Grenade Harness, Legion Standard, Thunder Hammer

Centurion, Cataphractii [145Pts]

. Primus Medicae: Combi-Bolter, Gorgon Terminator Armour, Thunder Hammer
. Primus Medicae

Elites: +

Apothecarion Detachment [45Pts]

. Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour

. . Chainsword: Chainsword

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [180Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Melta Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [185Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Plasma Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

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Troops: +

Breacher Squad [420Pts]

. 14x Breacher: 14x Bolt Pistol, 14x Bolter
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla
. Legion Breacher Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist

Tactical Squad [220Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter
. 18x Legionary: 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla

Tactical Squad (Inductii) [185Pts]: Inductii

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet, Phosphex Bomb, Power Armour
. 8x Legionary: 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter, 8x Chain Bayonet
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet, Legion Vexilla
. Rhino Transport: Dozer Blade, Searchlights

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++ 3. Allied Detachment (Mechanicum) [910Pts] ++

Allegiance: +

Allegiance: Traitor

Mechanicum

HQ: +

Archmagos Prime [185Pts]: Chainfist, Incunabulan Jet Pack, Power Lance, Æthertek

. Anima Malefica

Elites: +

Myrmidon Secutor Host [375Pts]: 6x Graviton Gun, 5x Myrmidon Secutors, 6x Phased Plasma-Fusil

Troops: +

Thallax Cohort [350Pts]: Meltabombs, 8x Thallax

++ 2. Lord of War Detachment (Mechanicum) [420Pts] ++

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Allegiance: +

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Kytan Daemon Engine [420Pts]

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@exotic crag

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I think i might lose Medicae for melee moritat

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Yea cuz then Myrmidons can ID stuff in melee if needs be

exotic crag Nov 22, 2024, 8:04 AM

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Looks solid homie

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From here it's just tweaks

scarlet reef Nov 22, 2024, 8:05 AM

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At exactly 3k now. And im looking at how expensive a Kytan is lol

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£42 ok that's not bad

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