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latent basalt Oct 6, 2024, 7:54 PM

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++ 1. Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [3,000Pts] ++

Expanded Army Lists +

Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance: +

Allegiance: Loyalist

X: Iron Hands

Rite of War: +

Rite of War

HQ: +

Centurion [145Pts]

. Moritat: Artificer Armour, Graviton Pistol, Warhawk Jump Pack

. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. . Graviton Pistol
. Moritat

Centurion, Cataphractii [165Pts]

. Primus Medicae: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter, Cyber-Familiar, Thunder Hammer
. Primus Medicae

Praetor, Cataphractii [705Pts]: Stoic Defender, Warlord

. Iron-Father: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter, Paragon Blade

. . Iron-Father

. . . Machinator Array
. Morlock Terminator Squad

. . 1) Augmentor: Cyber-Familiar, Power Fist, Volkite Charger
. . 2) Morlock: Legion Standard, Power Fist
. . 2) Morlock: Power Fist, Volkite Charger
. . 2) Morlock: Power Fist, Volkite Charger
. . Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Searchlights, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

Elites: +

Apothecarion Detachment [45Pts]

. Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour

. . Chainsword: Chainsword

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [185Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Plasma Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [180Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Melta Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

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Troops: +

Breacher Squad [420Pts]

. 15x Breacher: 15x Bolt Pistol, 15x Bolter
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder, Nuncio-Vox
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Legion Breacher Sergeant: Bolter, Graviton Pistol, Power Armour, Power Fist

Reconnaissance Squad [155Pts]

. Legion Recon Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Augury Scanner, Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter, Nuncio-Vox
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad [110Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 8x Legionary: 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-Vox

Tactical Squad (Inductii) [210Pts]: Inductii

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 18x Legionary: 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-Vox

Heavy Support: +

Land Raider Achilles Squadron [305Pts]

. Land Raider Achilles: 2x Sponson Mounted Gravis melta cannons, Searchlights

Predator Squadron [160Pts]

. Predator: 2x Lascannons, Dozer Blade, Magna-Melta Cannon, Searchlights

Sicaran Venator Squadron [215Pts]: Bombard Sub-type (Yes)

. Sicaran Venator: 2x Lascannons, Heavy Bolter, Searchlights

Lords of War Have Moved to "Lords of War Detachment" +

Lords of War Have Moved to "Lords of War Detachment"

++ Total: [3,000Pts] ++

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clever igloo Oct 6, 2024, 7:58 PM

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Credit where its due, this is a much better list than the ones you've made before. If you're putting the Medicae with the Morlocks and Praetor, I'd be careful with putting a third of your list in a vehicle that doesn't have Flare Shields. You also might do better with a melta cannon on the first dread instead of a plasma cannon

latent basalt Oct 6, 2024, 7:59 PM

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My plan usually is just to send the land raider 12 inches turn one at the opponent and if they shoot it then lots of Morlocks are in someones face. If they dont then lots of morlocks are in their face

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I have plasma cannon as i normally struggle with horded like units

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I have alot of melta stuff so ye

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Vehicles will die

dire cove Oct 7, 2024, 8:26 AM

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Yeah this list looks alright

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Personally, I'd go for a smaller squad of inductii with a phosphex bomb and putting them in a rhino, but 20 man blobs are still alright

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Also, this is using head of the gorgon right?

latent basalt Oct 7, 2024, 8:32 AM

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Yep it is

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But i forgot to add head of gorgon

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Outflank the achilles

latent basalt Oct 7, 2024, 8:33 AM

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dire cove Personally, I'd go for a smaller squad of inductii with a phosphex bomb and putt...

Idea of em was 20 on my home objective

dire cove Oct 7, 2024, 8:34 AM

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Hmmm, I can see what your trying to do

latent basalt Oct 7, 2024, 8:35 AM

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Something fun but not stupid powerful

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Just need to buy an achilles

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Which is near impossible lol

humble oriole Oct 7, 2024, 10:22 AM

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latent basalt Just need to buy an achilles

New Proteus I believe has the parts in it's box to make as any of the Land Raider Variants except Spartan.

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Think I gave my dad the extra bits to kit bash a Predator.

dire cove Oct 7, 2024, 10:40 AM

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humble oriole New Proteus I believe has the parts in it's box to make as any of the Land Raide...

Nope. Can't make an achilles

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You'd need a quadlauncher and then a bunch of multi-meltas (or volkite culverins if you felt like it) to convert an achilles out of that kit

humble oriole Oct 7, 2024, 10:56 AM

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dire cove Nope. Can't make an achilles

Which one does it let you make?

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It isnt just the Proteus.

dire cove Oct 7, 2024, 11:09 AM

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humble oriole Which one does it let you make?

Proteus carrier and Proteus explorator

humble oriole Oct 7, 2024, 11:09 AM

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Ah you're correct.

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Forgot about the explorator.

latent basalt Oct 7, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Aint achilles phobos pattern

latent basalt Oct 9, 2024, 1:02 PM

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Any changes i should make

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twilit heart Oct 9, 2024, 2:50 PM

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I like graviton shredders on Morlocks. In case you get charged by a drednought

pine rivet Oct 9, 2024, 4:04 PM

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Make your rite of war bitter iron cause it will give you no negative and then give your hqs bitter duty for hatred

latent basalt Oct 9, 2024, 4:05 PM

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Im using head of Gorgon @pine rivet

pine rivet Oct 9, 2024, 4:06 PM

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Ah didn’t see a rite of war

latent basalt Oct 9, 2024, 4:06 PM

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I forgot to add it at first lol

latent basalt Oct 9, 2024, 5:15 PM

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twilit heart I like graviton shredders on Morlocks. In case you get charged by a drednought

Makes em overly expensive though. And dreads dont id them

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I'll challenge the dread

primal oriole Oct 9, 2024, 5:35 PM

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Why the nuncios on your tacs? Swap em for vexillas

latent basalt Oct 9, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Cuz im traumatised after the nightfighting issue i had against Tsons

twilit heart Oct 9, 2024, 6:42 PM

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latent basalt Makes em overly expensive though. And dreads dont id them

Leviathan’s do. But it is also about not getting bogged down.

primal oriole Oct 9, 2024, 7:19 PM

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latent basalt Cuz im traumatised after the nightfighting issue i had against Tsons

Dunno how nuncios are gonna help. Tacs shouldn't leave home without vexillas ~~or artificer armour~~

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Vexillas are an insane upgrade for 10pts

latent basalt Oct 9, 2024, 7:22 PM

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Vexillas are only +1 to combat right

primal oriole Oct 9, 2024, 8:19 PM

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Also means you only fall back d6 and you never fall back off table edge. Perfect tool for objective cappers

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 6:37 AM

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True ok

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 7:06 AM

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I'll add em

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 8:43 AM

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@bold wyvern

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 5:17 PM

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@bold wyvern were ya available yet?

bold wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 5:21 PM

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latent basalt <@104572547470725120> were ya available yet?

yea just finished dinner and washing up

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So if you've got 900 points to work with your looking base for an allied detachment - base your going to be looking at 85 points minimum for your marshal

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As i'm guessing you don't want to go the non-cohort route and go heavy into companions due to wanting ideally elite killing - so primarily str 8 or 9 firepower

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If you took a LM, you could go Siege Cohort which would open up options for laser destroyer rapiers as elite slots

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 5:25 PM

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bold wyvern So if you've got 900 points to work with your looking base for an allied detachm...

I like the Morlocsk it's just overly expensive to put inside of a regular land raider

bold wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 5:25 PM

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Any other transport options with assault ?

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 5:27 PM

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Spartan but it's more expensive and i feel like im wasting it's cap

bold wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 5:27 PM

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but I'd lean either into laser rapiers which will cost you 50 points per base up to three rapiers per unit and thusly 9 per tercio

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 5:27 PM

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So you're recommending i spam laser destroyers?

bold wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 5:28 PM

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Depends on how meta your play area is

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 5:28 PM

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This is my chill list lol

bold wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 5:28 PM

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I'd then use your heavy support slots for either leman russ vanquishers or malcadors

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you could also run quads, heavy bolter or multi-laser rapiers

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they don't just have to be laser destroyers

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as i don't know what your playing against all I can really suggest is our str 8/9 options

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if you want more melee, Iron Cohort let you bring castellax as elites and with siege wreckers they are narly

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if you wanted something less meta, plasma executioner russ ?

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or even Solar Auxilia Destroyer Tank Hunters

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those things put out 2 36" twin linked exoshock shots

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front 14 with reinforced and slow at 200 points a piece

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 5:32 PM

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bold wyvern as i don't know what your playing against all I can really suggest is our str 8/...

My idea for this list is an all comers list i can play against anyone who isnt playing overly meta and just have a fun timr

bold wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 5:32 PM

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So i'd find the niche you want your solar in this case to fill and build it around that, filling the gap you've got

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you could for example take a thunderbolt or another aircraft

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 5:34 PM

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Is there any other things i could do outside of allies maybe

bold wyvern Oct 10, 2024, 5:34 PM

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outside of allies ? honestly no idea you'd be best reaching out to your fellow iron hands players in that regard

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 5:46 PM

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@primal oriole any more ideas

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 5:59 PM

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Once you've got vexillas on your tacs, drop the recon's nuncio and give your inductii a phosphex bomb. I'd also swap out your WL trait cos stoic defender won't do a great deal in the morlock squad

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Otherwise you're probs fine

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 6:44 PM

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primal oriole Once you've got vexillas on your tacs, drop the recon's nuncio and give your ind...

What Wl trait?

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Main thing i dont like is my heavy support slots. Love the achilles but rest hmm

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 6:46 PM

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I like from hels heart. IH are weaker in assault so having extra reactions in that phase is nice

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 6:47 PM

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latent basalt Main thing i dont like is my heavy support slots. Love the achilles but rest hmm

They seem fine. What is your concern with them?

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 6:47 PM

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primal oriole I like from hels heart. IH are weaker in assault so having extra reactions in th...

I just can never find a time to use more than one assault phase reaction

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 6:48 PM

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primal oriole They seem fine. What is your concern with them?

Venator always feels lacklustre and a single predator is always a struggle to be good

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 6:48 PM

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If your opponents only throw one melee unit at you at a time, then you live a blessed life

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 6:49 PM

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I just dont have much good shooting that they will charge

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 6:49 PM

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Do you have restrictions on the units you can use? i.e. limits in your collection

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 6:50 PM

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Yea abit tbh until Christmas but still will have a big limit

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My collection is only around 4 or 5k

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So it's a struggle

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All my focus is towards grav

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 6:52 PM

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Could drop the sicaran for a second pred?

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 6:52 PM

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latent basalt All my focus is towards grav

I noticed

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 6:53 PM

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I only own 1 pred

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Could get a cheeky 5 man tss with melta or plasma to go in your achilles

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~~or grav cos you're running hotg~~

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You have enough grav though, I'd genuinely grab melta or plasma

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 6:56 PM

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Plasma in the achilles outflanking may be a fun play

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 7:24 PM

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Okay I had a play and came up with this:

Cata iron father

thunder hammer
WL: from Hel's heart
Morlock bodyguard
augmentor with culverin, chainfist, cyber familiar
3x morlocks, 3x power fist, 2x volkite charger, legion standard
Land Raider DT
search lights

Gravitat

jump pack

Cata primus medicae

thunder hammer

Contemptor

gravis melta

Contemptor

gravis plasma

Apothecary

20 breachers

4 grav shredders
vexilla
sergeant with power fist & artificer armour

5 recons

nemesis bolt rifles
augury scanner

20 tacs

artificer armour
vexilla

10 inductii

vexilla
phosphex bomb
rhino DT with multi melta

5 tss

artificer armour
plasma

Land raider Achilles

Predator

heavy c beam
lascannons
search lights

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That's how I'd do it

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 9:03 PM

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Hmm

latent basalt Oct 10, 2024, 9:04 PM

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primal oriole Okay I had a play and came up with this: Cata iron father - thunder hammer - WL...

What's the game plan with this

primal oriole Oct 10, 2024, 9:10 PM

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Morlock death ball goes up the guts supported by contemptors

Gravitat in breachers for scout then gap it t1 to do gravitat things. Breachers follow behind the morlocks to secure mid. Can push the tac blob with em or have them hold home objectives

Snipers and c beam pred shoot stuff, are able to counter hss and similar threats. C beam can crack raiders and smoke elite units if needed

Achilles and the inductii rhino push to support mid too but have an outflank option as well

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You could probs even justify your fav nuncio or two in this list

latent basalt Oct 11, 2024, 5:48 AM

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primal oriole Morlock death ball goes up the guts supported by contemptors Gravitat in breach...

Isnt a C-beam only good at like 72 inch range

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S12 but need to be 42 away, well that's difficult

primal oriole Oct 11, 2024, 6:12 AM

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It's best at 42" which isn't hard. Still good inside that

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They're kick ass guns

latent basalt Oct 11, 2024, 6:28 AM

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Yea only at 42 is it ap2 is my annoyance

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Is it easy to be outside 42?

latent basalt Oct 11, 2024, 6:48 AM

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Ok looking at it, it is very easy to be outside 42 especially as cruising speed exists and then can still fire conversion

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Cant find points for some of the wargear though

latent basalt Oct 11, 2024, 7:40 AM

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++ 1. Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [3,000Pts] ++

Expanded Army Lists +

Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance: +

Allegiance: Loyalist

X: Iron Hands

Rite of War: +

Rite of War: The Head Of The Gorgon (IH)

HQ: +

Centurion [145Pts]

. Moritat: Artificer Armour, Graviton Pistol, Warhawk Jump Pack

. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. . Graviton Pistol
. Moritat

Centurion, Cataphractii [165Pts]

. Primus Medicae: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter, Cyber-Familiar, Thunder Hammer
. Primus Medicae

Praetor, Cataphractii [705Pts]: From Hel’s Heart (Loyalist only), Warlord

. Iron-Father: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter, Paragon Blade

. . Iron-Father

. . . Machinator Array
. Morlock Terminator Squad

. . 1) Augmentor: Cyber-Familiar, Power Fist, Volkite Charger
. . 2) Morlock: Legion Standard, Power Fist
. . 2) Morlock: Power Fist, Volkite Charger
. . 2) Morlock: Power Fist, Volkite Charger
. . Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Searchlights, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

Elites: +

Apothecarion Detachment [45Pts]

. Apothecary: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour

. . Chainsword: Chainsword

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [185Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Plasma Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [180Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Melta Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

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Troops: +

Breacher Squad [420Pts]

. 15x Breacher: 15x Bolt Pistol, 15x Bolter
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder, Legion Vexilla
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Breacher w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Graviton Shredder
. Legion Breacher Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist

Reconnaissance Squad [155Pts]

. Legion Recon Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Augury Scanner, Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter, Nuncio-Vox
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad [210Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 18x Legionary: 18x Bolt Pistol, 18x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla

Tactical Squad (Inductii) [185Pts]: Inductii

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Phosphex Bomb, Power Armour
. 8x Legionary: 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla
. Rhino Transport: Multi-Melta

Tactical Support Squad [135Pts]: Plasma Gun

. Legion Tactical Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
. Legionary: Bolt Pistol
. Legionary: Bolt Pistol
. Legionary: Bolt Pistol
. Legionary: Bolt Pistol

Heavy Support: +

Land Raider Achilles Squadron [305Pts]

. Land Raider Achilles: 2x Sponson Mounted Gravis melta cannons, Searchlights

Predator Squadron [165Pts]

. Predator: 2x Lascannons, Dozer Blade, Heavy Conversion Beam Cannon, Searchlights

Lords of War Have Moved to "Lords of War Detachment" +

Lords of War Have Moved to "Lords of War Detachment"

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This feels good

primal oriole Oct 11, 2024, 8:25 AM

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Geddem

#balanced list