#Iron Hands 1k list want to see if it’s okay for a first game or if it needs sone tweaks

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gloomy swallow
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Here’s my list, with my Rite of war being Company of Bitter Iron if I recall the name correctly

LA - X: Iron Hands - New - [1000Pts]

++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart ++ [1000Pts]

Expanded Army Lists

Expanded Army List Profiles: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance

Allegiance: Loyalist
X: Iron Hands

Rite of War

Rite of War

HQ [95Pts]

Centurion [95Pts]: Warlord, Mortificator (Corposant Stave, Servo-Arm), Ever-vigilant
• 1x Mortificator [70Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Refractor Field, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword (Chainsword), Magna Combi-Weapon (Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun), Artificer Armour

Elites [310Pts]

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [190Pts]:
• 1x Contemptor Dreadnought [190Pts]: Atomantic Deflector, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Bolt Cannon, Heavy Flamer, Havoc Launcher
Techmarine Covenant [120Pts]: Legiones Astartes (X)
• 2x Techmarine [120Pts]: Artificer Armour, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Servo-Arm, Bolt Pistol, Power Axe, Master-crafted Bolter

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Troops [385Pts]

Scout Squad [105Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Scout Armour, Shroud Bombs
• 4x Legion Scout [72Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
• 1x Legion Scout Sergeant [8Pts]: Bolter, Bolt Pistol
Tactical Squad [145Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Legion Tactical Sergeant [27Pts]: Chain Bayonet, Bolter, Plasma Pistol, Chainsword (Chainsword), Power Armour, Meltabombs
• 9x Legionary [12Pts]: Chain Bayonet, Bolt Pistol, Bolter
Tactical Support Squad [135Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Plasma Gun
• 1x Legion Tactical Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
• 4x Legionary [48Pts]: Bolt Pistol

Heavy Support [210Pts]

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [210Pts]:
• 1x Legion Deredeo Dreadnought [210Pts]: Atomantic Deflector, Helical Targeting Array, Anvilus Autocannon Battery, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Aiolos Missile Launcher

rocky marsh
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Looks like you dont have the minimum 2 Compulsory Troops, eg 2 Tactical squads. Support and Scouts are not compulsory

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Nor can you use a Right of War without a Praetor, Delegatus Consul or Primarch

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Id suggest no RoWs to start, and rarely below 2-2.5k points

leaden fossil
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Yeah your list is kinda very incomplete

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Anyways for a 1st game I'd go very simple

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No rite of war

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2 tac squads as your compulsory troops

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For your warlord I'd go basic and take some centurion, whatever consul you like really, just depends on the rest of your list

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Two dreadnoughts might be a bit much at 1k

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Maybe some speeders (not javelins they'd be a bit too good with a dreadnought)

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make sure you give the scout sergeant a nemesis bolter as well

gloomy swallow
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Ah I see, thanks for letting me know

gloomy swallow
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LA - X: Iron Hands - New - [1000Pts]

++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart ++ [1000Pts]

Expanded Army Lists

Expanded Army List Profiles: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance

Allegiance: Loyalist
X: Iron Hands

Rite of War

Rite of War

HQ [95Pts]

Centurion [95Pts]: Warlord, Mortificator (Corposant Stave, Servo-Arm), Ever-vigilant
• 1x Mortificator [70Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Refractor Field, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword (Chainsword), Magna Combi-Weapon (Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun), Artificer Armour

Elites [310Pts]

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [190Pts]:
• 1x Contemptor Dreadnought [190Pts]: Atomantic Deflector, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Bolt Cannon, Heavy Flamer, Havoc Launcher
Techmarine Covenant [120Pts]: Legiones Astartes (X)
• 2x Techmarine [120Pts]: Artificer Armour, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Servo-Arm, Bolt Pistol, Power Axe, Master-crafted Bolter

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Troops [385Pts]

Scout Squad [115Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Scout Armour, Shroud Bombs
• 4x Legion Scout [72Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
• 1x Legion Scout Sergeant [18Pts]: Nemesis Bolter, Bolt Pistol
Tactical Squad [145Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Legion Tactical Sergeant [27Pts]: Chain Bayonet, Bolter, Plasma Pistol, Chainsword (Chainsword), Power Armour, Meltabombs
• 9x Legionary [12Pts]: Chain Bayonet, Bolt Pistol, Bolter
Tactical Squad [125Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Legion Tactical Sergeant [7Pts]: Chain Bayonet, Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword (Chainsword), Power Armour
• 9x Legionary [12Pts]: Chain Bayonet, Bolt Pistol, Bolter

Heavy Support [210Pts]

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [210Pts]:
• 1x Legion Deredeo Dreadnought [210Pts]: Atomantic Deflector, Helical Targeting Array, Anvilus Autocannon Battery, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Aiolos Missile Launcher

gloomy swallow
rocky marsh
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Tac sgts dont need a chain sword and bayonet I think

leaden fossil
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Two things

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Take stoic defender as your warlord trait

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And then in battlescribe there should be an option to take a dreadnought with the mortificator

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That'll have him work correctly

gloomy swallow
leaden fossil
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Hmmm, I'll see what it looks like on my end

gloomy swallow
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Nvm

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Found it

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I’m blind

leaden fossil
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Oh you found it already lol

gloomy swallow
rocky marsh
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I cant suggest Techmarines in each tac squad at 1k, but I cant stop an IH player from that lol

gloomy swallow
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Honestly I’m kinda hyped for making my army, I’m gonna paint them like my custom SM chapter and they’d be using mk6 while sergeants and tech marines (and by proxy my centurion) use MK3 armor with a mk6 helm

gloomy swallow
rocky marsh
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Only thing I wouldnt use is the Gravis Bolt cannon on the contemptor. its the least good option

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er, only good thing about it ig is its cheap (free)

gloomy swallow
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I was thinking the contemptor would be like anti infantry, that’s why I put the heavy flamer and what not on it

rocky marsh
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Hes great for any roll. GBC is the cheapest anti infantry, but Volkite and Lheres exist as well

gloomy swallow
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This is my first list and I have yet to play a game and have no idea what my opponents can bring so I wanna be prepared if there’s any heavy armor of sorts

rocky marsh
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but it wont explode them

gloomy swallow
rocky marsh
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eh. Its made to pin infantry

leaden fossil
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Like master crafted bolters on techmarines

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Or hell even 1

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Remove one and you can get a melta cannon on your contemptor

gloomy swallow
rocky marsh
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Id say 1 dread in 1k is fair. Contemptors are very good and a rough community rule is 1 per 1k

gloomy swallow
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I’m not trying to be some meta chaser, I just REALLY like dreads

gloomy swallow
leaden fossil
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Even with two dreads, I feel like you're pushing things

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Two contemptors might be a bit too far

gloomy swallow
livid lily
# gloomy swallow I’m not trying to be some meta chaser, I just REALLY like dreads

Melee-focused/short range Castraferrums (Boxnaughts) might be okay for two in a 1k match, but Contemptor + any other dread is a definite "not okay" in such a small game. Iron Hands dreadnoughts are a legendary pain in the ass to kill, because your opponent has to wound T7 with -1 Strength inflicted on their attack from the IH Legion rule.

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The -1 Strength to enemy shooting is your biggest boon and you need to make sure your opponent is taking it into account. Don't be afraid to remind your opponent regularly, especially if you're new or they're not used to fighting IH. Important thresholds: Bolters wound your regular marines on 5+, Melta and other S8 weapons do not instakill your T4 models (outside of melee), and bolters/S4 weapons literally cannot wound your Contemptors/other T7 units.

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I would stick to just one dread for a small game like this. It'll be hard enough to kill as-is.

gloomy swallow
livid lily
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Also I don't think anyone else brought this up yet, but a Mortificator only gives his buff to the Contemptor he brings in his Force Org slot. The morty cannot join a dreadnought later in the game to buff it.

gloomy swallow
livid lily
livid lily
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I can't make you do anything, of course, but I want to make sure you know this before you move forward with buying/assembling/painting models.

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For context, taking down one dread already requires no less than 6 successful wounds against T7, with the IH -1 Strength working against you. A full 10-man lascannon heavy support squad (one of the most busted units in the game) with average rolls against an Iron Hands Contemptor will score ~7 hits, wounding on 3+ because of IH rule for about ~4 or 5 wounds, which you then save 1 or 2 of with your invuln. So they drop it to probably half health on average.

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That 10-man HSS has to fire at least twice to guarantee a takedown, four times to kill two dreads, and that's a 250pt unit

gloomy swallow
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Assembling/painting is gonna be my biggest time/money sink since I use other ways of getting my models. But yeah I see where your coming from

gloomy swallow
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Maybe like terminators or a support squad

rocky marsh
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Heavy support squad would be my rec. Or a predator. Or some Rhinos

rocky marsh
gloomy swallow
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Im just not sure, now I’m incredibly conflicted

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Cus on one hand I want and love dreadnoughts and don’t want to spend eons doing stuff only to fuck up gluing the parts on. But on the other hand I just wanna have fun playing the over the top toy solider game

rocky marsh
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Do you have a local group for HH?

gloomy swallow
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I’ve got a table top cafe

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They sell and do Warhammer stuff

rocky marsh
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I would suggest finding out if they do, and if so talk with them. We're all just randos on the internet

gloomy swallow
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Hmm alright

gloomy swallow
rocky marsh
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Either they will also corroborate our input or you can build a group that can learn how to deal with Dreads at that points

gloomy swallow
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My original 40K list before I got too salty and came over to HH had servitors cus I was dedicated to running first born tech marine

rocky marsh
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The main offender is the Gravis Melta and the Power Fist. If you avoid those 2 things, maybe the Gravis Las, they arent as oppresive

gloomy swallow
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That’s good to know

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Can heavy support squads have like missile launchers?

rocky marsh
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yes

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classic Devastator weapons and more like Multimelta (not great) or Volkite (very cool)

gloomy swallow
rocky marsh
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wdym? they start at 5 man units, up to 10 models

gloomy swallow
livid lily
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Actually I think if I add my salamanders dreadnoughts and the daemon engines (which are legally Dreadnought-type units ingame) I break 30 pretty easy

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I would really like dreadnoughts to be less good so I could bring more of them

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To clarify: I don't want them more expensive. I want them weaker so I can bring a lot without consequence lol

gloomy swallow
livid lily
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I would argue that dreadnoughts are the coolest part of Warhammer as a franchise

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Though undoubtedly they're my favorite part

gloomy swallow
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Not to mention whatever this is, but it’s awesome and I wanna stick this thing on one of my marines

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rocky marsh
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Just csm havok (devastator), but new kit

livid lily
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I don't like beakies. Franlky if I could rewind time and never paint/build beakies I would

gloomy swallow
limpid musk
livid lily
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But you can't bring any vehicles at all

limpid musk
livid lily
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never mind

gloomy swallow
limpid musk
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it's small-scale games in space ships

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or I guess in other things as well, but it's intended for boarding actions

gloomy swallow
limpid musk
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it's really the only option for small games (like 1k-1.5k), as normal HH (especially 2.0) can be super unbalanced at that point value