Heya, would someone be able to assists me in the creation of a 2K Ec list, tyvm
#Help with 2K List
dawn oriole
potent root
Heya, would someone be able to assists me in the creation of a 2K Ec list, tyvm
OK were gonna need more to work with then just 2k: go.
dawn oriole
whats the normal list cost?
potent root
What do you have? Your budget for new models? 1st party or no? Army type? Theme? Power level? How do you want it to play?
dawn oriole
All of that is undecided, there isnt really a budget as im doing this to see what i would need for the list and how much i would need to save
and i have nothing, completly new player
I dont really mind, just want a nice fun list that i can use against opponents
there is a couple of models that i want in the list such as the phoenix terminators
im pretty much dead new to this and learn better by communicating with others so was hoping that someone could explain the process to me
i was hoping on going a bit more of a ranged list and going for the IIIrd company elite rite
dawn oriole
What do you have? Your budget for new models? 1st party or no? Army type? Theme?...
idk if that helps?, if it does then nice, if not then maybe some more questions could be nice
potent root
no all of that helps
potent root
alright step 1 get a good resin 3d printer
potent root
oh amazing ok
I'll do a writeup on 3ce stratageys when I get home, am in class rn so I can only procrastinate so much
dawn oriole
ight
yeah no rush, ill be going to sleep soon anyway
i got a resin printer for warhammer anyway then realised haha horus heresy
grand condor
[b]++ 1. Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - III: Emperor's Children) [1,908Pts] ++[/b]
[b]+ Expanded Army Lists +[/b]
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[b]+ Allegiance: +[/b]
[b]Allegiance:[/b] Traitor
[b]Legions Astartes or Hereticus:[/b] III: Emperor's Children
[b]+ Rite of War: +[/b]
[b]Rite of War[/b]
[b]+ HQ: +[/b]
[b]Praetor [155Pts]:[/b] The Broken Mirror (Traitor only), Warlord
. [b]Legion Praetor:[/b] Artificer Armour, Sonic Shriekers
. . Bolt Pistol
. . Power Weapon: Phoenix Power Spear
[b]+ Elites: +[/b]
[b]Apothecarion Detachment [180Pts][/b]
. [b]Apothecary:[/b] Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Warhawk Jump Pack
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. [b]Apothecary:[/b] Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. [b]Apothecary:[/b] Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
[b]Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [195Pts][/b]
. Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Melta Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Meltagun
[b]Palatine Blade Aquilae Squad [265Pts]:[/b] 4x Palatine Warrior, 2x Phoenix Rapier, 2x Power Axe, Sonic Lance
. Palatine Prefector: Bolt Pistol, Phoenix Rapier, Sonic Shriekers
[b]+ Troops: +[/b]
[b]Assault Squad [185Pts][/b]
. [b]Legion Assault Sergeant:[/b] Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Sonic Shriekers
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. 7x Legionaries (collective): 7x Bolt Pistol, 7x Chainsword
. Legionary w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Power Axe
. Legionary w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Power Axe
[b]Tactical Squad [139Pts][/b]
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Sonic Shriekers
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bayonet, 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
[b]Tactical Squad [139Pts][/b]
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Sonic Shriekers
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bayonet, 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
[b]+ Fast Attack: +[/b]
[b]Sky-Hunter Squadron [145Pts][/b]
. Legion Sky-Hunter: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Heavy Bolter
. Legion Sky-Hunter: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Heavy Bolter
. [b]Legion Sky-Hunter Sergeant:[/b] Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Heavy Bolter, Sonic Shriekers
. . Power Weapon: Phoenix Power Spear
[b]+ Heavy Support: +[/b]
[b]Heavy Support Squad [285Pts]:[/b] Lascannon
. Legion Support Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol
[b]Land Raider Proteus Carrier Squadron [220Pts][/b]
. Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
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Above is just a quick sample list I wrote for you. My idea is to good unit recommendations that can make up a core army
grand condor
Oh yeah, just drop the sky hunters or the palantines
Add Phoenix as a retinue
To the preator
Phoenix termies aren't that amazing at killing other units, but are godly at making it difficult for your opponent to hit you on a charge
dawn oriole
ight
i think the sample list is good but i would preferably like to go through the creation of a list so i can understand the choices of units and the wargear on them, helps with understanding. Hope you dont mind!
grand condor
I agree, the sample was just to provide some context on what a good beginning list should look like.
grand condor
So are you brand new to HH?
dawn oriole
pretty much lol
grand condor
HH doesnt really do meta does it?
Yes and no. There is a general meta (contemptors and lascannon hss are amazing for example). However, each group will have their own meta as each group has their own house rules and their own understanding of rules
dawn oriole
ight
my friend group has got angry at me when i asked about HH Meta so was wondering
grand condor
Oh yeah. Some groups are pretty opinionated about it, but I would ask them if there are any house rules that you need to know. Usually, 1 dread per 1k points and 1 lascannon hss are common house rules
dawn oriole
i think its just the base game rules
grand condor
So for a breakdown:
HQ: In creating a new list/army, I think sticking to 1 preator is a good option. The preator allows you to select a row and is generally great at being a duelist. Since he is a duelists, I would recommend throwing an ap2 weapon (prevents your opponent from using armor saves) or one of our legion specific power Weapons as they are ap3 with murderous strike and ap2 at 6+.
You can go with lucias, who is one of the best none primarch duelists in the game. On the otherhand, you can throw eidolon in, who has a jump pack and a thunder hammer that swings at initiative 6. Both characters are unique preators in terms of their role mechanically.
I would add your Phoenix terminators at a retinue at this point. They are mid at killing other units, but with sonic shreikers (on a charge your opponent is -1 to hit if they aren't fearless) and skills unmatched (look at the keyword, but one of the options is -1 attack +1 ws) they are a great defensive retinue. This can force other ws5 models to hit on 6's on a charge. You can also make one model a standard barrier to make your hq/retinue line (a scoring unit)
Elites: this is 100% based on my local meta
Apothecaries: add 1 to palantines, 2 to tactical marines. Provides a fnp 5+ which is an extra save if you fail your armor saves.
Contemptor: one of the best units in the game. I would take one with power fists (more general purpose and burtal 3) and either melta or lascannons
Palantines: they are duelists with skills unmatched. Really great at killing other power armor units with rapiers and power axes.
Troops:
Tactical marines are really good at shooting their bolters and are line. Tbh kinda the only troop choice you need with a beginning army.
Assault: despoilers with jump packs. They are good at moving fast and assaulting other troops.
Fast attack:
You don't need them, but they are fun.
Javelins: fast speeders that are cheap and can bring lascannons
Skyhunters: jetbikes that can be used to shoot, charge, and harass other units
Heavy support:
Hss/sunkillers: hss and sunkillers can bring heavy weaponry such as multimeltas and lascannons. Lascannons are really good with being ap2, s9, and having sunder. Hss are the generic version while sunkillers are the ec's unique hss. Sunkillers have bs5, but much more expensive.
Vehicles: you don't need one to start, but they are cool models. I would recommend whatever one you like or a land raider to transport your hq/Phoenix terminators
dawn oriole
is it possible to do a ranged focussed list
or will there always be some melee aspects
fathom ocean
and is there a good listbuilder website/app
Battlescribe
brazen oxide
Battlescribe
I wouldn't recommend battlescribe, it's full of problems sadly
New recruit is better, but also has its flaws
grand condor
is it possible to do a ranged focussed list
You can definitely do well with range focused army, but ec tends to be one of the best melee armies in the game
dawn oriole
mk
grand condor
You can make a list with all shooting
Sunkillers are really amazing and Kakophoni are fun
Generally I would probably have at least 1-2 solid melee units
dawn oriole
mk, was just wondering tbf
grand condor
Even with a shooty army. Melee is good at assulting objectives or knocking out your opponents hq options