#World Eater 3k pts - Casual

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fierce hare
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The Crimson Path (WE)

  • HQ:
    Khârn the Bloody: The Cutter, Warlord

  • Elites:
    Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
    . Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, 2x Meltagun
    . Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Chainfist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, 2x Meltagun

Rampager Squad
. Rampager Champion: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Two Falax Blades
. 9x Rampager w/Two Falax Blade: 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Two Falax Blades

Rampager Squad: Warhawk Jump Pack
. Rampager Champion: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Two Falax Blades
. 14x Rampager w/Two Falax Blade: 14x Bolt Pistol, 14x Two Falax Blades

Terminator Cataphractii Squad
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter, Thunder Hammer
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter, Thunder Hammer
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter, Thunder Hammer
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter, Thunder Hammer
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter, Thunder Hammer
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Cataphractii Sergeant w/TLC: Pair of Lightning Claws
. Cataphractii w/Lightning Claws
. Land Raider Spartan
. . Land Raider Spartan: 2x Lascannon Array, Flare Shield, Hull (Front) Mounted Twin-linked Lascannon, Multi-Melta

  • Troops: +
    Despoiler Squad: Inductii
    . Despoiler w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Chainaxe, Legion Vexilla
    . 8x Despoilers (collective):8x Chainaxe
    . Legion Despoiler Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Armour, Power Fist

Despoiler Squad
. Despoiler w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Chainaxe, Legion Vexilla
. 8x Despoilers (collective):8x Chainaxe
. Legion Despoiler Sergeant: Plasma Pistol, Power Armour, Power Fist

Despoiler Squad
. Despoiler w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Chainaxe, Legion Vexilla
. 8x Despoilers (collective): 8x Chainaxe
. Legion Despoiler Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw

  • Heavy Support: +
    Land Raider Spartan
    . Land Raider Spartan: 2x Lascannon Array, Flare Shield, Hull (Front) Mounted Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta
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It's my first list and I also took some inspiration from multiple sources

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However do give your opinion on the list so I can truly improve

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sick owl
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so you call this casual and you are spamming falax blades, bringing kharn, and have a good chunk of TH terminators....

half cradle
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Who do you intend to put in the second Spartan?

gritty ruin
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Very casual

ocean light
half cradle
gritty ruin
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Yeah, especially all falax blade

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and T-Hammer spam

fierce hare
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Tbf me and my frd is playing against each other so we spamming strong stuff

half cradle
sick owl
gritty ruin
sick owl
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so it's not 'casual'

gritty ruin
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nobody has fun

sick owl
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and that's fine

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if you guys like to play with the strong stuff, just say it

gritty ruin
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yeah don't say "casual" if you're not playing casually

fierce hare
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Ye maybe i worded it wrong about casual

half cradle
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I personally would rather see more rhinos instead of a second Spartan.

gritty ruin
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I personally wanna see more 20 man infantry squads

fierce hare
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But we spam strong stuff, yes

half cradle
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A 20-10-10 split on despoilers would be cool

sick owl
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@fierce hare the word 'casual' usually brings about a certain expectation in most peoples head that there's not going to be meta spamming and all that. again, there's nothing wrong with playing the game the way you and your opponent want. there's not 'right' way to play but there is a wrong way.

fierce hare
half cradle
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Mixed loadout Rampagers, and rhinos in place of Spartans would be my take.

fierce hare
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Cause normally me and my frd is just having fun and spams strong stuff

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Maybe shouldn't have used casual word

sick owl
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it's a strong list overall. with your goal in mind. i'd merge the despoiler squads in to 2x15

hidden crystal
sick owl
# hidden crystal what does "skew" mean ?

skew is leaning into 1 thing very heavy. it doesn't necissarily mean spam per se.

notable skew style lists (some might be spammy)

  • FotA (oops all dreads)
  • Armored Spearhead (oops all tanks)
  • Infantry Hordes
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in the armored spearhead/infantry horde, you spam tanks/infantry, but not necessarily the same units

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@fierce hare i see you have 2 spartans, 1 for the terminators. my guess is you are putting the 15 rampagers in the other. what are the other 10 going to do?

fierce hare
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The other 10 is for home objective

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Oh the rampagers

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10 rampagers go with kharn into the spartan

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The 15 fly in

sick owl
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you save a lot of points

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oh, i see jump packs on the 15 now

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derp

hidden crystal
sick owl
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but i've always been mixed rampager gang

fierce hare
sick owl
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because all the weapons look too cool

hidden crystal
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Regular falax in the same situation would be broken

sick owl
hidden crystal
sick owl
fierce hare
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I'm kinda new to the whole faction so i'm just follow what ppl say it strong

fierce hare
hidden crystal
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A Proteus would be of better use since you can Kharn and 10 regular bodyguards for 140 pts cheaper

sick owl
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figure out what you like

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and how to run it

fierce hare
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Ye maybe after 1 game of this versus IH

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Then i actually dig into the game

sick owl
fierce hare
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Oh damn thats huge

hidden crystal
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175 is a base contemptor btw @fierce hare

sick owl
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@fierce hare you can get a dread or 17 more dudes for that

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and i always encourage dudes

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boys > toys

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because every boy gets a chainaxe

hidden crystal
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I’ll have to submit my 3k list to you and the other boys @sick owl

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I’m convinced it’s balanced, the only tjing I’m wary of is 2 Scorpius

sick owl
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but yeah, shoot that list over and i'll happily discuss

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i'll have to shoot you my 160 WE list CryLaugh

fierce hare
sick owl
fierce hare
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Nice

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More body more blood i guess

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WE in 30k has so much more flavor than in 40k though

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More options

gritty ruin
hidden crystal
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I would’ve argued in favor of a dual CCW dread but then i noticed he already had one lol

gritty ruin
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so 20 dudes for 1 contenptoe now

hidden crystal
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Good to know

fierce hare
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Whats pano btw

gritty ruin
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panoptica

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the Ballance changes used by most in the server

fierce hare
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Ah i see

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Btw i see alot said red butcher is not worth the buck

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May i ask why is that

junior vortex
fierce hare
junior vortex
# fierce hare The Red Butcher ?

the core of their issue is that by default Ravening Madmen sucks, if you take PanO into consideration, they become at least decently tanky but they are still mostly locked into not great weapons so can only really effectively used to kill power armoured stuff as they will probably sturggle with units in artificier amrour and they really don't wanna be fighting other terminators. Which is where their problem is, by default they are terminators that don't fulfill any unique role but at least they always look cool while doing it. (By default even basic terminators with fists will outfight Red Butchers i belive) Panoptica makes them tankeir and with that they become pretty decent, still not great but a good way of dilluting a list

junior vortex
# fierce hare The Red Butcher ?

indeed, for example mine always mishap on their deepstrike, they now have i think 8? game long streak of mishapping whenever they arrive

fierce hare
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Yikers

sacred pecan
fierce hare
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How can i know PanO is being used

junior vortex
junior vortex
# sacred pecan Damn

actually by this point it has become quite funny, always waiting to see when/how they will fuck up XD
fun thing is sometimes they have a problem killing off a few assault marines but sometimes they can take down a paragon of metal domitar without losing a wound XD
yet their delivery always fails, i love them, they are my little failures

fierce hare
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Cant afford for the plastic at the moment

sacred pecan
junior vortex
sacred pecan
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Do one Match. Just one Match.

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With Alpharius and 3 Mastodons stuffed full of Tactical Marines.

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Use Alpharius' ability to basically deepstrike the Mastodons, and bolter everything to death

fierce hare
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Damn, Alpha legion is also on my next list

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But sure DM me the request then i'll make it funny for you

sick owl
# fierce hare Btw i see alot said red butcher is not worth the buck

looking at them strictly in game terms and with vanilla rules, they are in a rough spot. if you and your friend play that way, they aren't worth it. from a cool factor, i love them.

there's not a single reason they aren't good. it's really 3 big issues at hand and 1 or 2 smaller issues.

  • they always count as WS3 for being hit back (they had something similar last edition)
  • lack of protection from being doubled out by TH/Power Fists
  • lack of S8 weapons to trade in those scenarios
  • they lost their ability to reroll charge distances
  • they lost furious charge
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so if you play a very TH heavy meta, they get absolutely bodied. in more laid back metas (like ours) vanilla rules they still can do some work. panoptica makes their ravening madman rule actually alter the instant death threshold so they have staying power which mitigates that lack of S8 weapons needed to trade.

sick owl
junior vortex
fierce hare
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Btw this list after a few adjustments, will fight against IH

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Anytips for the overall match?

sick owl
# fierce hare Anytips for the overall match?

Any idea on stuff they like to bring. We don't want to list tailor per se, but a general idea on play style is always nice. WE generally speaking don't give a shit about the IH legion trait as we want to chop them up

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i think you'll find, playing WE is a very, 1 size fits all approach to war. remember your ABCs:

Always
Be
Charging

fierce hare
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Mostly meta things

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If i were him he should prb overwatch me to death

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Is it the familiar playstyle for 30k and 40k?

sick owl
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idk what IH do in 40k lol. i haven't played 40k in over 10 years

fierce hare
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Everything is just space marines

novel crypt
# fierce hare Ye maybe i worded it wrong about casual

I'm going to to push back against some of the "casual" rhetoric. I don't think 2 x 10 Rampagers w Falax blades is OP or necessarily "not casual". Same for a brick of WS4 Termis w Thammers.

A lot of what's "casual" absolutely depends on your meta. Also, anyone reading through it will get an idea of where the list sits.

I think the casual criticism comes from a place of what sort of feedback to provide. Are you looking to dial the list up or down.

If down:
Avoid multiples of units. Not a hard and fast rule but swapping the 2nd unit of Rampagers for a Red Butcher squad will give you more variety and dial back the output. Kharn should just be a regular praetor. Probably make the inductii regular Despoilers.

To dial the list up:
10 Rampagers in a Spartan is awkward. I think you want 15 or just a LR.

Try to work a chainfist on the 2nd dread for redundancy. I think you can easily lose the melta guns from both. You'll either be running or charging. If charging, then there's some targets you won't shoot anyway bc the Return Fire will be worse than the 2 meltas.

I get Thammers are good but WS4 is terrible. Upgrade them to a retinue.

I really think you want another character. Crimson Path is so good w characters.

I THINK you might be ok dealing w overwatch but I'm a little iffy on it. Kharn is obviously good but I think you need a solid plan for at least 1 other of your hammer units. I'm not the biggest fan of tying the Dreads to them.

Just my thoughts.

fierce hare
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That's alot of info

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Very appreciate the help and time for putting thos up for me man

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Btw I cant have Kharn and Praetor in the same list yes?

sick owl