#IH 2k list /w Autek Mor

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craggy hearth
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Roast my setup:
Goal: universal 2k all-around list to battle other SM lists
Loyalist IH list, Company of Bitter Iron
Autek Mor + 10 Medusan Immortals Squad, (Sgt. with THammer and Graviton Pistol), in Proteus Carrier (Searchlight, Blessed Auto-simulacra)
Gorgon Terminator Herald (THammer) + 5 Gorgons (2xLightning Claws Pair, 2x Powerfist, THammer, Graviton Shredder, Legion Vexilla) in Proteus Carrier (Searchlight, Blessed Auto-simulacra)
10 Assaults (Artificer on Sgt, 2xPower Axe, 2xGraviton Pistol)
5 Scouts (5xNemesis)
Castraferrum (Gravis Plasma Cannons, Gravis Power Fist, Havoc Launcher)
Deredeo (Hellfire Plasma, Aiolos M Launcher)

craggy hearth
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IH 2k list /w Autek Mor

severe beacon
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<@&877302968955850772> @ the tactica role ya dingus

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The list looks interesting

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Very... weird I guess

rustic cairn
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looks like fun, maybe a touch more dedicated anti tank? maybe swap the CF to a ranged support loadout to help with that since theyre already slow chonky boys

severe beacon
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Boxnought with fist, scouts, gorgons with a herald and in a land raider

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Hell, assault marines of all things

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Oh also @craggy hearth only characters can swap plasma pistols for grav pistols, so you can only have one grav pistol in the assault squad

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Btw, what is the game plan of the list, because I'm not seeing it from what you've got

hollow willow
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Dunno that your immortals sergeant can run a grav and a hammer. Both replace the bolt pistol.

That castraferrum wants another gun as opposed to a fist. Normally not a fan of havoc but double plasma and a havoc might be cool.

No point in the vexilla on the gorgons, they're fearless with the herald in there.

Don't take blessed autosimulacra. Accept that IWND will never matter and achieve zen

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Looks like a fun list though. I assume 2x raiders going to the guts, supported by fire from the deredeo, scouts and castraferrum? I just don't know what the assault squad is doing, is it just fast scoring?

wintry shale
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the sgt replaces his bolter and bolt pistol, so can take 2

craggy hearth
craggy hearth
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About Auto-simulacra: I want to believe 😭

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I want this list to be more narrative than competetive (but not straight useless tho).
That's why there's lack of e.g. Lasgun HSS.
I also want to use models I already have - Deredeo, CF, Immortals, Proteus.

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@hollow willow Vexilla is to increase enemy route chance, underlining Gorgons ability to sweep.
Do you consider Auto-simulacra not worthy taking at all?

craggy hearth
rustic cairn
severe beacon
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Also what is your narrative anyways?

craggy hearth
severe beacon
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Ok I think I kinda get it

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The assault marines still seem weird

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I get the fast line unit sort of role you want them to play, but I'm not sure if Iron Hands are the legion to go for them

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Actually if you want mobile melee then why not go for assault destroyers?

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They even get hatred in COBI

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You would need another troops choice to fill in the second compulsory slot, but you can just use a basic 10 man tactical squad for that

craggy hearth
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My narrative isn't lore-heavy, I just wanted to present on the board all cool stuff that IH have access to.

severe beacon
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If you want to present all of the cool stuff that IH have access to, then might I recommend the gorgon flashbang?

craggy hearth
craggy hearth
severe beacon
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Deep strike the squad into the enemy line

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Inevitably cause some wounds from the warmonger's teleport

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Allocate a wound onto the warmonger and a random gorgon

craggy hearth
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Why not Herald and Warmonger, actually.

severe beacon
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Make all enemy units in 6" do a blind test

severe beacon
craggy hearth
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I am wondering whether Im hanging on this legion standard too hard.

severe beacon
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Line is good, as is fear and fearless

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Although personally I'd rather go for a chaplain so that they aren't terrible in melee

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WS 4 is a brutal mistress in this edition

craggy hearth
severe beacon
craggy hearth
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I'd need to pay attention to not let them get snuffed out by intercept reactions

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But I really like the idea

severe beacon
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Ahh but the interceptor reactions are secretly good

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More chances to cause the gorgon blind thing

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They will die, but some won't die

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And those that don't will hopefully roll a 4+ and do the blind thing

craggy hearth
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"more chances"? It triggers once per phase, doesn't it?

severe beacon
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Yes but by more chances I mean that, if the initial warmonger teleport wounds don't cause any gorgon blind tests, then interceptor reactions will give you more chances for that to occur

craggy hearth
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Now Im thinking about cutting Autek Mor, adding Master of Signals and playing more around blasts.

severe beacon
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A MoS is generally quite good

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Very useful for making sure your deep strikes happen on time

craggy hearth
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And on place

severe beacon
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Although if you want to avoid meta units then it might be worth considering other options since the MoS is quite common for this reason

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A land raider explorator or command rhino can do this job, for example

craggy hearth
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If I use herald mostly to get line, then maybe I should cut him and add extra tacticals...

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As has been noticed here, they don't need fearless

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Fear can be replaced by 1 mere wound during battle

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And more wounds can be applied by adding more gorgons

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There are two things I am afraid of tho:

  1. enemy deep Strike
  2. enemy Spartans carrying deathballs
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@severe beacon what's wrong with boxnough with fist 😄
He's to slow to get into any melee?

severe beacon
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At least the leviathan has a high toughness so that he can better survive the trek towards the enemy

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And even then I still highly recommend a drop pod for a leviathan

craggy hearth
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Initiative 2 is an issue? Every weapon that's going to be dangerous is unwieldy anyway

severe beacon
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Yes but legion specific stuff is often not unwieldy

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Falax blades and terranic greatswords for example

craggy hearth
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I honestly considered Castraferrum with 2fists + 2meltas to be decent defensive option. Is that bold overestimation?

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I read that as 'yes'

craggy hearth
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Okay, revised list goes as follows:
Loyalist IH, Company of Bitter Iron
Autek Mor + 10 Medusan Immortals Squad, (Sgt. with THammer and Graviton Pistol), in Proteus Carrier (Searchlights)
Deepstriking Gorgon Terminator Warmonger (THammer) + 6 Gorgons (3xLightning Claws Pair, 2x Power Axe, THammer, 2xGraviton Shredder, Legion Vexilla)
10 Tactical Squad (Artificer, Nuncio Vox)
5 Scouts (5xNemesis, Nuncio Vox)
Castraferrum (2xGravis Plasma Cannons, Havoc Launcher)
Deredeo (Hellfire Plasma, Aiolos M Launcher)
Sicaran Venator (Searchlights)

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I could drop scouts entirely for another tactical squad.

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But I dont really wanna

hollow willow
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That tac squad wants a vexilla. Best part of a vexilla is only falling back d6 and not running off the field. Perfect for foot slogging obj cappers

hollow willow
rustic cairn
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super delayed but he also has heavy which i believe isnt offset by any rules, so it’s a bit slower since it cant run but is a bit tougher to any stray scary blasts. it means they can be tricky to make it all the way to melee so they tend to be better as a gun platform

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@craggy hearth in regards to the castraferrum, that is. i think the double plasma cannon is sick and have been planning on making one like that myself, so i think that sounds like a sweet idea

hollow willow
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I wish they could take conversion beamers. That'd be so hot

rustic latch
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Something to point out autek mor can’t join the immortals

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Since he doesn’t have bitter duty and can’t gain through the rite of war since he is unique

craggy hearth
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Feels bad man

craggy hearth
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Okay, so I'll swap Immortals:

Loyalist IH, Company of Bitter Iron
Autek Mor + 10 Despoilers (3x Power Axe, Graviton Pistol, Nuncio Vox, Vexilla), in Proteus Carrier (Searchlights)
Deepstriking Gorgon Terminator Warmonger (THammer) + 6 Gorgons (3xLightning Claws Pair, 2x Power Axe, THammer, 2xGraviton Shredder)
10 Medusan Immortals Squad, (Artificer)
5 Scouts (5xNemesis, Nuncio Vox)
Castraferrum (2xGravis Plasma Cannons, Havoc Launcher)
Deredeo (Hellfire Plasma, Aiolos M Launcher)
Sicaran Venator (Searchlights)

severe beacon
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I'd replace the havoc launcher on the boxnought with searchlights

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Also I'm not too fond of attaching autek mor to some despoilers. Would rather attach him to some unit with chosen warriors

craggy hearth
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Points and compulsory troops requirement I'm afraid.
Quick-fix solution is sticking him to Gorgons-Warmonger combo.
I'm just bit afraid of putting all my eggs into one basket.

craggy hearth
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Chosen warriors - it would have to be Tartaros chosen, heavy, but still able to sweep.

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@severe beacon, actually, why chosen warriors? Is ability to duel so OP?

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Second thought - what's wrong with despoilers? Their squishyness? They're gonna be inside battlesmithed Proteus, and after that I just hope Autek carries the melee

severe beacon
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Not that dueling is OP it's just that it's good to have more than one challenge backup

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Since if a challenge happens with the despoiler + autek blob, then you risk only being protected from a challenge until your sergeant dies. And since the sergeant is a 3+ save WS 4 model with no invuln, it's quite likely that they'll die to any serious melee threat

craggy hearth
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Ah, this is in case of enemy trying to duel-lock me?

severe beacon
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Yep

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And since the despoilers don't have much output, challenge locking would massively undercut your unit's power

craggy hearth
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If I'd have to present another squad of termies on board, I'd pick Morlocks; sadly no chosen warriors for them

severe beacon
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Maybe a command squad or veterans?

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For veterans you'd have to get a land raider seperately rather than as a DT though

craggy hearth
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Putting another plain Tartaros is bit meh

severe beacon
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Indomitus termies maybe?

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Although they don't have chosen warriors

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The better durability does help at least

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Difficult to decide really

craggy hearth
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Small command squad with boarding Shields could go, just need to find points for them

severe beacon
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Would also need another troops choice

craggy hearth
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3-man Cmd squad with boarding and power weapons is 120 points

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Would need to cut snipers for tacticals

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And tacticals + despoilers combo seemed so great, aaaah

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Hard to field fun stuff AND fix every potential strategic hole

severe beacon
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Maybe go down to 5 gorgons with no special ranged weapons?

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Would help free up points for other things

craggy hearth
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Their purpose was to force concussion and help their WS4.
But taking into account gorgon flashbang, maybe it's a bit of overkill.
Its a reasonable idea, I'll check if it does calculate

craggy hearth
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Okay, so:
Despoilers cut.
10 tacticals with nuncio-vox, Vexilla and artificer taken instead.
5 Gorgons Terminators, 2xLightning Claws
3 Man command squad, 3xBoarding Shield, 3xPower Weapon

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Need to choose power weapon for chosen ones.

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But to be honest, I don't think I like it.
It takes off killing potential from Gorgons.
Autek Mor and 3 dudes - I am not convinced they're able to accomplish anything.

severe beacon
craggy hearth
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Axes are my "to go" always.
But I'm starting to think "what I would want to send this squad against".
Other deathballs? Termies? Chosen warriors?
I don't think 4-man squad can compete. They won't even get extra attack from offhand.
Their main target would have to be some melee fodder. What a waste of Mor.

severe beacon
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I see what you mean

hollow willow
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2k is a very different game to 3k. You can't cover everything

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Honestly I think running mor with the despoilers like your first list is fine. If your opponent has taken an awesome death ball, Mor & friends won't be able to deal with it but that's where your deredeo steps in

craggy hearth
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Maybe I'd give them lances, so they can clean fodder before retaliation. Naaah.
Let's get back to 10 Despoilers concept.
What I'd not send them against?
My loose conditions would be engaging group of choosen warriors or mass 8S wielders.

craggy hearth
hollow willow
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Exactly. And the venator can crack their ride for the dreads

craggy hearth
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I'm not sure if this is a good method, but let's assign possibile threats:

  • 14+ AV Vehicles: Venator
  • <14 AV Vehicles: Venator, Deredeo, Proteus
  • Flyers: Deredeo
  • Enemy Reserves Entrance: Deredeo for vehicles, Boxnough and Scouts for units
  • Deathballs, Termies: Gorgons, Dreads
  • Cavalry: Scouts, Deredeo
  • Apothecaries, Librarians: Scouts, Gorgons

What I don't have answers for:

  • Choosen warriors duel lock: need to deal with them at range
  • Deep strikes that connect: I'm fucked
hollow willow
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LR lascannons can peel open AV14 too. And a deep strike that connects isn't the end of the world for you. Your eggs aren't in one basket so you just gotta play around it

craggy hearth
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Having just two scoring troops may be a problem

hollow willow
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Oof yes that's your biggest issue for sure

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Any way to shave points to make the scouts recons?

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Only need to find 20 points to do that. Drop the nuncio and grav pistol from the despoilers and you're sussed

craggy hearth
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After dropping grav shredders I have easy 60 points. Maybe I can get extra tacs

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Loyalist, IH, Company Of Bitter Iron (IH)

  • HQ: +

Centurion, Cataphractii [145Pts]: Warmonger

. Warmonger: Bitter Duty (Company of Bitter Iron), Combi-Bolter, Gorgon Terminator Armour, Thunder Hammer

Iron Father Autek Mor [225Pts]: Warlord

  • Elites: +

Castra Ferrum Dreadnought Talon [170Pts]

. Castra Ferrum Dreadnought: Gravis Plasma Cannon, Gravis Plasma Cannon, Searchlights

Gorgon Terminator Squad [220Pts]

. Gorgon Hammerbearer: Combi-Bolter
. Gorgon Terminator: Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw
. Gorgon Terminator: Lightning Claw, Lightning Claw
. Gorgon Terminator: Combi-Bolter, Power Axe
. Gorgon Terminator: Combi-Bolter, Power Axe

  • Troops: +

Despoiler Squad [125Pts]

. Despoiler w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Power Axe
. Despoiler w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Power Axe
. 7x Despoilers (collective): 7x Bolt Pistol, 7x Chainsword
. Legion Despoiler Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Power Fist

Medusan Immortal Squad [215Pts]

. Immortal Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter
. 9x Immortal w/Bolter: 9x Bolter

Scout Squad [125Pts]

. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter, Nuncio-Vox
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad [120Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-Vox

  • Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts]

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

. . Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Land Raider Proteus Carrier Squadron [225Pts]

. Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Searchlights, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

Sicaran Venator Squadron [205Pts]: Bombard Sub-type (No)

. Sicaran Venator: 2x Heavy Bolters, Heavy Bolter, Searchlights

++ Total: [2,000Pts] ++