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amber nexus Oct 20, 2023, 5:22 PM

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Just taking suggestions on my 3k ultramarines list, I cobbled this together mostly from what I thought looks cool and what I would be willing to paint up and convert. I plan on getting the new legion astartes box to kick it off, but I do own a couple sprues of the previous plastic marines, cataphracti armor, weapon upgrades (heavy/support), a contemptor, the FW UM praetor (regular and the cataphracti one).

I believe the local meta goes quite hard, I have seen a lot of lascannons, doubling up on dreads/pred/sicarius etc. But I play multiple games etc and want to get this project done before Old World comes out, and just have a fun/good UM army ready at 3k for the forseeable future. So taking any suggestions!

Ultramarines: 2999 points
ROW: Logos Lectora, Burden of Kings Warlord Trait

Master of Signal (barebone)
95 points

Praetor (Mantle of Ultramar, Paragon Blade, Volkite Serpenta)
Retinue, 2 suzerian bolt hammers, 8 suzerian legatine axe
Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Multi-Melta, Twin-linked Lascannon
777 points

Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Fist & Multi-melta
180 points

Nemesis Destroyer Squad
8 with mortifier bolters (inc sergeant with no upgrades)
2 with missile launcher (suspensor web and rad missiles only)

legion vexila
195 points

3 x 10 Trac Troops Sergeant With Power Sword/Plasma Pistol and artificer armor, Vexila, bayonets and all 3 with rhinos with twin-linked bolters
189 points each

Recon Squad
5 man, all with nemesis bolters
135 points

Locutarus Storm Squad
10 x with argean power swords and bolt pistols, sergeant has melta bombs
280 points

Deredeo Dreadnought
Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Hellfire Plasma Cannonade
225 points

Heavy Support Squad
10 x missile launchers, 1 legion vexila
235 points

Leviathan Dreadnought
Siege Claw, Melta Lance, Phospex, heavy flamers
310 points

I mostly stuck vexilas on squads, but I have no idea which of those types of upgrades are useful or not! Let me know! Thanks!

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3k Ultramarines First Army!

rough laurel Oct 22, 2023, 5:18 AM

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If your local group goes hard, you’re going to need some changes.

Thunder hammer on the Praetor. Paragon blades struggle in this edition with so much instant death.

Drop all your pistols, make sure to put vexilla and artificer armor on all your squads.

Suzerains should have at least 4 hammers, probably 6.

The MM on the Raider is overkill and expensive IMO.

a plasma blaster is a good upgrade for the dread.

Power swords are bad, replace them with fists or nothing. Drop bayonets, tactical marines aren’t scary to anyone.

Missile launchers are useless in this edition, swap for lascannons or Volkite.

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 8:29 AM

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Thanks!

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 8:34 AM

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rough laurel If your local group goes hard, you’re going to need some changes. Thunder ham...

I figured the praetor would be safer against instant death with his mantle of ultramar? Also, is a vexila useful on the heavy support squad at all, or should I change that out?

rough laurel Oct 22, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Brutal on Hammers will still obliterate characters faster than a paragon blade.

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The number of times a vexilla has saved one of my squads…. I would never leave home without one in every single squad. The reduced fallback is great, and preventing units from fleeing off the table is priceless

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 4:09 PM

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Fair enough! I don't think I xan scrounge up points for all squads. But I will try!

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:33 PM

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While I agree power swords are trash.

I get a lot of good use out of lances (I5 strike with AP3 into tacs or other 3+ saves) can win a fight

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 5:34 PM

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I dropped a rhino and spent it on some upgrades

rough laurel Oct 22, 2023, 5:36 PM

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reef gulch While I agree power swords are trash. I get a lot of good use out of lances (I...

Power lances scream to me "lose a challenge to artificer armor"

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 5:36 PM

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Rite of War: The Logos Lectora (UM)

HQ:
Centurion [95Pts]

. Master of Signals: Artificer Armour

. . Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. Master of Signals

Praetor [760Pts]: The Burden of Kings (Loyalist only), Warlord

. Invictarus Suzerain Squad

. . Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Twin-linked Lascannon
. . 8x Suzerain w/Bolt Pistol & Legatine Axe: 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Legatine Axe
. . 2x Suzerain w/Bolt Pistol & Thunder Hammer: 2x Bolt Pistol, 2x Thunder Hammer
. Legion Praetor: Mantle of Ultramar, Thunder Hammer

. . Minor Combi-Weapon: Minor Combi-Weapon - Grenade Launcher

Elites: +

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [180Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Melta Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

Nemesis Destroyer Squad [225Pts]: Legion Vexilla

. 7x Nemesis Destroyer: 7x Bolt Pistol, 7x Chainsword, 7x Mortifier Bolter
. Nemesis Destroyer Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Meltabombs, Power Fist
. Nemesis Destroyer w/Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher (With suspensor web and rad missiles only)
. Nemesis Destroyer w/Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher (With suspensor web and rad missiles only)

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Troops: +

Reconnaissance Squad [145Pts]

. Legion Recon Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Legion Vexilla, Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad [175Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla
. Rhino Transport: Twin-linked Bolter

Tactical Squad [175Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla
. Rhino Transport: Twin-linked Bolter

Tactical Squad [135Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla

Fast Attack: +

Locutarus Storm Squad [280Pts]

. 9x Locutarus: 9x Argean Power Sword, 9x Bolt Pistol
. Locutarus Strike Leader: Argean Power Sword, Bolt Pistol, Meltabombs

Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts]

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

. . Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Heavy Support Squad [295Pts]: Lascannon
. Legion Support Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol
. Legionary w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Legion Vexilla

Leviathan Dreadnought Talon [310Pts]
. Leviathan: Cyclonic Melta Lance, Leviathan Siege Claw, Phosphex Discharger
. . 2x Heavy Flamers

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Total 3k

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And I have the option to move the rhino to the nemesis squad instead of on two tacs

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:37 PM

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Only thing Your gonna struggle with is the Locutari.

I have tried them a ton in logos and its hard without Roboboboo

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 5:37 PM

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I mean not married to them

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But they seemed to be very cool hahaha

rough laurel Oct 22, 2023, 5:38 PM

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reef gulch Only thing Your gonna struggle with is the Locutari. I have tried them a ton i...

No DS really hurts them, they have such a huge target on their backs

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:38 PM

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No DS/OF

Oh dont get me wrong they are cool as fuck!

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 5:38 PM

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I have played 40k and a lot of other games, high movement shock troops seem always a good idea. But what else would you suggest?

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:38 PM

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I have done them as walk on (fly on) reserves.. and that works well t3.. but unlike OF/DS if you roll reserves for walk on they have to come on

rough laurel Oct 22, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Dont take the Suzerain as a retinue. You have the Elites slots open, so take them there. You can pop the praetor out to fight a secondary unit if needed that way.

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:39 PM

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The only reason I like the lance is noone in our area runs artificer on tacs.

rough laurel Oct 22, 2023, 5:40 PM

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If you drop the phosphex, melta bombs on the locutarii, and the vexilla on the recons you can get yourself another rhino. probably a better investment to help keep tacticals alive

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:40 PM

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I dont really know what I would swap out for the Locutari..

rough laurel Oct 22, 2023, 5:41 PM

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reef gulch I dont really know what I would swap out for the Locutari..

2nd Contemptor and maybe a Librarian

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Ya... Im really loving the librarian these days..

T5 is reallllllly good

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Librarian does sound fun

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I could also take off the fist on the nemesis sergeant, he does get a chainsword for free

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:43 PM

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I will say.. leviathans are good, but they are hard to get into combat in some missions.

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move thru cover is.. really good

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I think @rough laurel is right.. Librarian is the way to go

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 5:47 PM

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I added a librarian

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and another contemptor with fist/multi-melta

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removed the locust squad

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 5:47 PM

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Man 3 dreads is gonna be fun=)

rough laurel Oct 22, 2023, 5:49 PM

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If you can free up the points, plasma blasters are awesome on contemptors. Breaching 4+ feels bad at first, but it wounds other dreads on 4s anyways, so its actually a solid chance for an extra wound. Plus using the UM reaction, two Contemptors can put up to 8 damage onto another dread. That can really change the outcome of a matchup

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 5:50 PM

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I can shave off a couple extra twin linked on the rhinos

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HQ: +

Centurion [95Pts]

. Master of Signals: Artificer Armour

. . Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. Master of Signals

Centurion [120Pts]: Librarian, Psychic Discipline: Biomancy, Psychic Hood

. Librarian: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Force Weapon

Praetor [180Pts]: The Burden of Kings (Loyalist only), Warlord

. Legion Praetor: Mantle of Ultramar, Thunder Hammer

. . Minor Combi-Weapon: Minor Combi-Weapon - Grenade Launcher

Elites: +

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [370Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Plasma Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon
. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Plasma Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

Invictarus Suzerain Squad [580Pts]

. Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Twin-linked Lascannon
. 8x Suzerain w/Bolt Pistol & Legatine Axe: 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Legatine Axe
. 2x Suzerain w/Bolt Pistol & Thunder Hammer: 2x Bolt Pistol, 2x Thunder Hammer

Nemesis Destroyer Squad [195Pts]

. 7x Nemesis Destroyer: 7x Bolt Pistol, 7x Chainsword, 7x Mortifier Bolter
. Nemesis Destroyer Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Chainsword
. Nemesis Destroyer w/Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher (With suspensor web and rad missiles only)
. Nemesis Destroyer w/Heavy Weapon: Missile Launcher (With suspensor web and rad missiles only)

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Reconnaissance Squad [135Pts]

. Legion Recon Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Recon Legionary: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad [175Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla
. Rhino Transport: Twin-linked Bolter

Tactical Squad [170Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla
. Rhino Transport

Tactical Squad [170Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Fist
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Bolter
. Legionary w/ Options:: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Legion Vexilla
. Rhino Transport

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Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts]

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

. . Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Heavy Support Squad [295Pts]: Lascannon

. Legion Support Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol
. Legionary w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Legion Vexilla

Leviathan Dreadnought Talon [290Pts]

. Leviathan: Cyclonic Melta Lance, Leviathan Siege Claw

. . 2x Heavy Flamers

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Looks like a fun list! may give it a go this week=)

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plasma cannon on the contemptor 3" or 5"?

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 6:07 PM

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5"

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 6:08 PM

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awesome..

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since you have a MOS make sure that vox can see where you shoot~=)

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 6:08 PM

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I dunno, but I suspect you want the master of signal with the recon marines and park them up high somewhere

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 6:10 PM

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your running logos ya?

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toss him with your HSS for the Cognis Signum to make sure they get +1 BS during the -BS phases of logos

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 6:11 PM

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Oh yeah, that is the go-to

reef gulch Oct 22, 2023, 6:12 PM

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its just nice getting a reroll on the plasma=) I have killed alot of my own boys with an oopsie roll

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 6:13 PM

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I played mordheim today and threw an improvised weapon at my ally by mistake >_> The dice are wonderful.

amber nexus Oct 22, 2023, 9:09 PM

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I think I will drop a power fist of one of the tac squads to add an augury scanner to my recons to ensure nightfighting+intercept resistance

amber nexus Oct 23, 2023, 4:46 PM

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rough laurel If you can free up the points, plasma blasters are awesome on contemptors. Brea...

Also, I am thinking future proofing. Since the nemesis squad is legends - even though åaintkng up black UMs woulda been cool.. if I were to drop them and use the 210 points for something that isn't legends what would you suggest?

rough laurel Oct 23, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Heresy doesn’t have “legends” the same way 40k does. The extended PDFs aren’t likely to go away anytime soon. If anything they’re more likely to get trickled into the books like we’re seeing with the new book.

spare spear Oct 23, 2023, 6:10 PM

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Nemesis squad is also in the new book. So there's zero chance of it going away.

reef gulch Oct 23, 2023, 6:27 PM

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IIRC there was a lot of talk the legends stuff will be sticking around/updated as books come out no?

amber nexus Oct 23, 2023, 6:38 PM

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Hrm, so they're a good fit? I was considering a pair of fully tricked out javelins give more move and punch.

reef gulch Oct 23, 2023, 10:42 PM

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I do love my Javs

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Just remember with logos no OF.. and they are a juciy target for las

amber nexus Oct 24, 2023, 2:26 AM

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this is true, I might stick with my original list and adjust after some games if I feel I need too

reef gulch Oct 24, 2023, 2:46 AM

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So, With Logos I usually keep some armor/speeders/bikes in walk on

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