3000pts - Bikers, Robots and some sneaky things

[rapid bear]

++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - XX: Alpha Legion) [3,000Pts] ++

• Rite of War: +

Rite of War: Brethren Of Iron

• HQ: +

Centurion:
. Saboteur: Nemesis Bolter, Astartes Shotgun, Pair of Lightning Claws

Centurion, Tartaros : Cortex Controller, Cyber-Familiar, Hydran Excursor, Warlord
. Forge Lord: Thunder Hammer

Legion Praetor: Astartes Shotgun, Paragon Blade
. . Spatha Combat Bike: Twin-linked Bolter

Command Squad
. 2x Legion Chosen:
. . Charnabal Sabre
. 3x Legion Chosen: Lightning Claw, Power Fist
. Legion Standard Bearer: Legion Standard
. . Charnabal Sabre
. Spatha Combat Bike: Twin-linked Bolter

• Elites: +

Apothecarion Detachment:
. Apothecary: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger

3x Domitars

3x Domitar-ferrum

Techmarine Covenant:
. Techmarine: Cortex Controller, Meltagun
. Techmarine: Augury Scanner, Cortex Controller
. Techmarine: Cognis-Signum, Combi-Nade launcher
. . Spatha Combat Bike: Twin-linked Bolter

• Troops: +

Reconnaissance Squad
. Legion Recon Sergeant: Nemesis Bolter
. 4x Recon Legionary: Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger
. 9x Legionaries
. Rhino Transport

Tactical Squad
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger
. 13x Legionaries
. Legionary w/ Options: Legion Vexilla

• Fast Attack: +

Headhunter Kill Team
. 3x Headhunter
. Headhunter Prime: Inferno Pistol
. Headhunter w/Heavy Weapon: Multi-Melta

Outrider Squadron:
. Legion Outrider Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Astartes Shotgun, Power Dagger
. 4x Legion Outriders: Astartes Shotgun
. Twin-linked Meltagun

• Heavy Support: +

Thanatar Siege-automata Maniple
. Thanatar Calix

++ Total: [3,000Pts] ++

Apothecary with the big blob

Meltagun Tech with HH

Augury/cortex with Nemesis

Techmarine biker with Outriders

!! There is 42 points left I don't know what to put !!

I am not entierly sold on the Recon Nemesis, should I go HSS Lascan with Cognis ?

[mellow copper]

Nemesis recons are good for holding backline objectives and still being able to contribute to the battle by taking potshots at sergeants and special weapon/wargear carriers

[fair moon]

wait

so i get it right

you CANT give DLC to sphata bike reteniue

but you CAN give them PF+LC?

[rapid bear]

YES

THAT

IS

STUPID

Don't ask me, I'm not making the rules

GW is 🤷‍♂️

[rapid bear]

At least RAW yes

[slim wraith]

It's because you obviously can't use both hands simultaneously which you need for the double lighting claw. At least that seems to be the reason. I may say that tbh I think a biker with Fist and claw looks stupid but that is a matter of taste. Same with the Saboteur. No matter how you build him if you give him double lightning Claws, a Nemesis Boltgun and a Shotgun it will look crowed. What is the plan with him? I don't like the shaff power daggers you gave out to the tacticals and outrider sergeant. Both won't be any better with it. Save those points.

[fair moon]

fist+ claw just wont work either in that case, since your not holding that bike with powerfist are ya/

[slim wraith]

Yeah doesn't make a lot of sense

[fair moon]

at this point id run single claw to save points and use cool profile?

and say you atack as single profile becouse you need to hold on i suppose, and he has 2 claws to atack depending where enmy is?

[slim wraith]

What irks me with this list is that it dabbels into too many pots at the same time. It has some bikes, it has some robots, it has some infantry, it has one rhino. Select one theme and go full on it. Don't half arse several. I mean you have three very fragile scoring units at 3000 points. If you play a missions with objectives the enemy will focus on them and then the game is over. I would re-think the overall strategy here.

[rapid bear]

The CSquad is just a Csquad
The outrider are just a Melta support squad on bike
Bots are expensive so, yeah...

I consider Nemesis and Shotgun on the Sab being the same weapon just different ammos

Claws are retractable retracted one so it doesn't take too much space

Claws are often mounted on a Fist and I always never understood why it wasn't a dual profil in that situation so it's what I go for there

For the P-Daggers, maybe indeed. could save 20 or so points

Never played SoC yet so maybe you are right on the line thing

[slim wraith]

In the rulebook core missions you play for objectives on 4 missions as well so it happens often.

[rapid bear]

I am more or less get inspiration (type of list wise) about what I see online.

And outside Loyalists getting Line from RoW on 80% of their RoW, I don't see list being vastly different

Most of the time people are playing 40 (4x10) tacticals and done

Change the domitars by 2 dreads cause they are better
Then what's the point of BoI
Then why play a Forge Lord or even Techmarines

Hence I am not stealing Ferrum and go for a more efficient units

Hooray, default legion list :/

But I understand your point.

I cant go full bot because bot are not good enough and if so why not go Mech

There is no bikes row (not the jetbikes) and they are not good enough in themselves (hence you dont see them)

And well, playing big blog of infantry woth apothecaries is not superbly appealing...

[rapid bear]

@slim wraith what do you think to forgo the claw/fist stuff and give Charnable Saber to everyone ?

Or giving two of them just claw so I still can have some AP3 attacks "in case I need it" ?

[slim wraith]

I have to think about that

[rapid bear]

I know Charnable sabers are very good vs termies

But worse than P-sword vs AP3

I mean 3+

[rapid bear]

I could also just go the Headhunter Leviathal path

Steal 4 domitars instead of 3