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hollow path May 30, 2023, 3:52 PM

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So just as a warning just before you commit to it. Without prov support Cav are brutally ineffective. I ran 15 with lances into a HSS and lost the combat otherwise looks good. 20 Ogryns on the field is going to intimidate alot of people, just watch out for pinning. LD6 on the ogryns hurts

lofty topaz May 30, 2023, 3:54 PM

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Ogryns can't be pinned, they're monstrous

hollow path May 30, 2023, 4:01 PM

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oh well I've been playing that wrong

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ignore me

loud spear May 30, 2023, 4:12 PM

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hollow path So just as a warning just before you commit to it. Without prov support Cav are ...

The cav unit has my Warlord & a Discipline Master, both of which have power weapons

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Is that enough support, or would i need more?

hollow path May 30, 2023, 4:15 PM

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they'll do fine the actual lances will struggle

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you only get one attack each hitting on 5's

loud spear May 30, 2023, 4:28 PM

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Wouldn't it be 2 attacks on the charge?

hollow path May 30, 2023, 4:29 PM

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no the lance has a special rule where you can only attack once

loud spear May 30, 2023, 4:29 PM

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Oh

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Lame

hollow path May 30, 2023, 4:29 PM

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loud spear May 30, 2023, 4:31 PM

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Extra lame

lethal helm May 30, 2023, 6:42 PM

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It may be better to run cav in multiple small units despite the unit tax but still seems inefficient but cool

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Give each squad a meltagun or something

loud spear May 30, 2023, 7:19 PM

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1 shoting on a 4+ feels bad man

faint tangle Jun 2, 2023, 7:26 AM

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Are you sure your maths is right on the Ogryns?

100 (base) +
210 (7 more ogryns) +
025 (Carapace) +
015 (Boss) +
020 (Thunderhammer) +
050 (Shields @ 5pts/ea)

Comes to 420, I think you've forgotten to add the 25pts for carapace, or only paid or 5 shields

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Also, if you're going to commit to running that many Big Boys, you should really be running ogryn conscripts imo to make them line, and allow you to attach medics/masters to them

loud spear Jun 2, 2023, 10:14 AM

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i may have, but then i reworked the list a bit & it all points out correctly now that C & M are on battlescribe

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also i have 5 squads of grenediers, i have enough line, & would have to take 1 squad of them out to make room for both squads

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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (2022 - Imperialis Militia) [2,996Pts] ++

Expanded Army Lists +

Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance: +

Allegiance: Loyalist

Imperialis Militia

Provenances of War +

Provenances of War: 01 Warrior Elite, 02 Legacy of the Great Crusade

HQ: +

IM - Discipline Master Cadre [155Pts]

. Discipline Master: Flak Armour, Laspistol, Mounted Discipline Master*, Power Axe, Refractor Field
. Discipline Master: Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Laspistol, On Foot
. Discipline Master: Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Laspistol, On Foot
. Discipline Master: Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Laspistol, On Foot
. Discipline Master: Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Laspistol, On Foot
. Discipline Master: Close Combat Weapon, Flak Armour, Laspistol, On Foot

IM - Force Commander [381Pts]

. 1) Force Commander: Close Combat Weapon, Cyber-Familiar, Flak Armour, Iron Halo, Merchant Princeling, On Foot, Power Fist, Warlord
. IM - Command Cadre: Flak Armour

. . 1) Militia Lieutenant: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. . 2) Militia Bodyguard: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

. . . Bolter with Bayonet
. . 2) Militia Bodyguard: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

. . . Bolter with Bayonet
. . 2) Militia Bodyguard: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol, Nuncio-Vox
. . 2) Militia Bodyguard: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, Lasrifle, Militia Standard
. . 2) Militia Bodyguard: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

. . . Bolter with Bayonet
. . 2) Militia Bodyguard: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

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. . . Bolter with Bayonet
. . 2) Militia Bodyguard: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol

. . . Bolter with Bayonet

Elites: +

IM - Ogryn Brute Squad [395Pts]: 9x Boarding Shield, Flak Armour

. 9x 1) Ogryn Brute: 9x Close Combat Weapon
. 2) Ogryn Boss: Boarding Shield, Close Combat Weapon, Thunder Hammer

IM - Ogryn Brute Squad [395Pts]: 9x Boarding Shield, Flak Armour

. 9x 1) Ogryn Brute: 9x Close Combat Weapon
. 2) Ogryn Boss: Boarding Shield, Close Combat Weapon, Thunder Hammer

Troops: +

IM - Grenadier Squad [155Pts]

. 1) Grenadier Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol, Militia Standard, Nuncio-Vox
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol

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IM - Grenadier Squad [155Pts]

. 1) Grenadier Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol, Militia Standard, Nuncio-Vox
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol

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. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol

IM - Grenadier Squad [155Pts]

. 1) Grenadier Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol, Militia Standard, Nuncio-Vox
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol

IM - Grenadier Squad [155Pts]

. 1) Grenadier Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol, Militia Standard, Nuncio-Vox
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol

IM - Grenadier Squad [155Pts]

. 1) Grenadier Sergeant: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol, Militia Standard, Nuncio-Vox
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
. 2) Grenadier: Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol

Fast Attack: +

IM - Cargo-8 Hauler Squadron [130Pts]: Cargo-8 Hauler, Cargo-8 Hauler, Cargo-8 Hauler

IM - Sentinel Squadron [375Pts]: 5x Multi-Melta, 5x Sentinel

Heavy Support: +

IM - Leman Russ [130Pts]: Heavy Bolter, Searchlights

. Turret Mounted Vanquisher Battle Cannon and Co-axial Mounted Autocannon

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IM - Leman Russ [130Pts]: Heavy Bolter, Searchlights

. Turret Mounted Vanquisher Battle Cannon and Co-axial Mounted Autocannon

IM - Leman Russ [130Pts]: Heavy Bolter, Searchlights

. Turret Mounted Vanquisher Battle Cannon and Co-axial Mounted Autocannon

++ Total: [2,996Pts] ++

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this is the new verison of the list (god was it a pain in the dick to post)

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also the vox & flag in each grenedier squad is just to represent the points for plasma guns

merry prism Jun 5, 2023, 5:06 AM

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I really think you need to dig some points up for the lascannon on the russes

loud spear Jun 5, 2023, 11:25 AM

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20 points for a single shot gun for a unit that hits on 4s doesnt seem worth it to me

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Vanquisher Cannons are 2 shots & S9, plus i have Sentinels with Meltas

merry prism Jun 5, 2023, 10:11 PM

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loud spear Vanquisher Cannons are 2 shots & S9, plus i have Sentinels with Meltas

You have an issue with a back of the board 20pt lascannon on a vehicle that will be shooting at tanks anyway, yet your willing to pay how many points for a single TL BS3 melta shot?

loud spear Jun 5, 2023, 10:27 PM

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It is 15, & is twinlinked

slate hull Jun 5, 2023, 11:56 PM

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The twin-linked on the melta does seem like an advantage, especially when pretty much everything is BS3 anyway and it's 5pts cheaper than a lascannon

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Sure it's shorter range, but the sentinels are ranging forward anyway

loud spear Jun 6, 2023, 1:01 AM

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that was my logic

merry prism Jun 6, 2023, 1:38 AM

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loud spear It is 15, & is twinlinked

But you’re not taking the body for any other purpose. So saying the multimelta is only 15pts is disingenuous. It’s actually 75pts.

Your paying nearly 400pts for a scout unit that can get run down by a tac squad with chain bayonets and a vexilla.

loud spear Jun 6, 2023, 1:41 AM

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& a Russ with a las Cannon costs 140 points

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& will die if any other tank even looks at it

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So what's your point?

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Atleast most of the Sentinels will hit something with the melta

cedar solar Jun 9, 2023, 7:52 PM

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Why not cut a Sentinel, split the unit into two units of two, and add lascannons to the two Vanquishers and dozer blades for everyone? You get better saturation of targets and additional resiliency for your vehicles.

loud spear Jun 9, 2023, 8:00 PM

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because the lascannons still arent worth 20 points

cedar solar Jun 9, 2023, 8:01 PM

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They are for mitigating weapon destroyed results in order to keep your coaxial autocannon.

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Same reason you take lascannon sponsons on a Typhon.

loud spear Jun 9, 2023, 8:05 PM

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if the tanks die, i still have the sentinals

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if the sentinals die i still have the tanks

cedar solar Jun 9, 2023, 8:10 PM

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I'd be more concerned with an Immobilized result considering the propensity of RoW that make things difficult/dangerous terrain and losing out on moving forever, at the cost of one measly Sentinel. You're adding two lascannon shots and a general immunity to terrain for one multimelta shot.

I'm saying keep the Sentinels, just reduce by one and split the unit to make it less vulnerable to heavy fire. I honestly think the multimeltas are fine. I prefer missile launchers, but I'm a missile launcher kinda guy.

loud spear Jun 9, 2023, 8:11 PM

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certainly a better argument than the last guy

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it is fair

cedar solar Jun 9, 2023, 8:14 PM

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I don't like giving shit over weapon choices to folks, everyone has preferences on what to take. My primary concern is making your platforms better based on you're playing them. My only other suggestion would be maybe trying to split the Ogryns into units of six and have three of them with hammers, or reduce to five and put them into the Cargo-8s, cause that's hilarious.

loud spear Jun 9, 2023, 8:15 PM

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yeah but then they cant charge

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& wouldnt have room for 2 units of sentinals

cedar solar Jun 9, 2023, 8:21 PM

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I mean, that's solved by using the Haulers to block LoS, and I was suggesting using the ones you already have for Ogryns, since you put what, Grenadiers in there?

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It's kinda funny in a way, Militia is the horde army to end all horde armies, and we still can't bring everything we want.

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