#Night Lords - Crusade Detachment - 3.5k - Beginning force expanding from age of darkness box,
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Night Lords - Crusade Detachment - 3.5k - Beginning force expanding from age of darkness box,
new to Horus Heresy and just trying to find my way around
I wanted to still build a list that took advantage of a talent for murder with a big unit of 20 tactical marines, a couple 10 man tacticals, and a 10 man terror squad plus 10 Cata's in a Spartan
but still have something that let me use a bunch of vehicles
I tried to strike a middle ground and I think it came out alright would appreciate hearing thoughts from you guys.
I didn't feel confident using the rites of war yet so this is what I came up with without one, trying to mainly stick to units in plastic
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So, just rambling on what I see / know about Nightlords
mix up the weapons in the Cata squad. You don't need 10 double LC's - Its both a lot of points, and useless if you hit a tank! A mix is better - Powerfists/chainfists are required to destroy tanks.
A big change coming from 40K to 30K is that Tanks are literally immune to small arms fire, and a Lightning claw can barely scratch a rhino.
On the spartan swap that Heavy bolter for the Lascannon. You'll never regret it. The Heavybolter might kill a marine a game, the Lascannon may kill a tank.
The base Sicaran is a bit meh. Basically its gun sits in a "Jack of all trades" position but actually does nothing well. Its bad vs Tanks, its bad vs infantry
2 x Scorpius strongk
Tacs look fine, I run simmilar - 10 mans always get Rhino's
Contemptors I kinda already talked about - I like them, but you might regret not having a fist, and saddly the Kheres is just... over pointed. A 2 shot Twin linked Melta is 5 points, the Kheres shouldn't be 15!
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ah makes sense, so go fist on each and what for the gun then? maybe beamer on each?
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From a BROAD tactical position, you'll have a fine time dealing with infantry but your force lacks reliable anti Tank at the moment.
If you haven't already, look up the rules for flare shields. The Spartan and Kratos can take them! I would recommend finding the points for it.
It essentially gives the enemy -1S when shooting their front facing, or -2S vs blasts!
Another way to look at that, is that its made those tanks AV 15 on the front
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So you would need Str 9 to glance and Str 10 to penetrate
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that's a good point I'll find the points
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And even then only on 6's
Yeah, it's also worth thinking about how your armies gonna deal with "AV15" tanks
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ok so what would you replace the normal Sicarans with?
Punishers maybe? or something more anti tank
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I personally run Volkite Predators. If you want to keep Sicarans, I believe the (Arquas?) is very good
Yeah I would up Anti Tank across the board
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yeah I just love the Sicaran's I know htey may not be as good haha
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A bit more in your Termies, a bit more in your tanks
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that's crazy I actually was worried I wouldn't be able to do anti infantry well
thought anti tank was fine
interesting!
Volkite should be a fine choice for the Kratos right?
seems thematic for NL
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The parts dont need to be glued, they pop in and out
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getting used to 30k system
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are the Scorpius mainly anti infantry as well then or anti tank?
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Scorpius is basically all Anti infantry
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ahhh that makes sense!
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The blast massacres troops. They CAN hurt tanks, but its not a great choice
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so replace the Sicarans with Sicaran Arcus then and make the other anti tank loadout changes you suggest and it looks alright?
for anti tank
good to know!
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Still low Anti Tank IMO. You'll struggle vs dreads/armoured divisions
Anti Tank is also Anti Terminator and Anti Dread
so they deal with a lot of problems lol
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makes sense
should i get rid the scorpius altogether then since the Kratos is anti infantry
replace them with a Predator squadron maybe?
since all volkite kratos is super anti infantry
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Only if you want!
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yeah I like the tanks models you just make a good point
I don't want my army to hit like a wet noodle vs tanks 🤣
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It'll come with practice!
30K punishes harder than 40K for not having solutions
No mortal wounds, no "always wounds on 6's"
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i started 40k in 8th haha didn't know what not being able to kill with small arms massed fire is like
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No mortal wounds, no "always wounds on 6's"
thank god
i just played a game of dark eldar vs craftworlds and had 3 vehicles killed by 5 dire avengers double tapping with doom/guide from farseer
nutty 🤣
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lol. In fairness that actually would happen in old 7th ed, but Thats cause Dark eldar vehicles are made of wet paper
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All good.
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Las/Melta, Chainfists/powerfists/Thunderhammers
Basically Str 8+
Lascannons get rerolls to armour pen
Melta gets to roll 2d6 and add both of them to armour pen
Dreadnoughts basic CC weapon is Strength 9
Levithans get Str 10, and their guns are dumb-good
More weird stuff can include things like Haywire, which has its own damage rules
Thats on Graviton weapons mostly