TS 3k point Magnus list | HH: Age of Darkness | Page 1

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 4:53 PM

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This list is more or less for fun, and it uses a mix of what I think will perform and what I want to bring because “rule of cool”

++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - XV: Thousand Sons) [2,996Pts] ++

Expanded Army Lists +

Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance: +

XV: Thousand Sons

Allegiance: Traitor

Rite of War: +

Rite of War: The Guard Of The Crimson King (TS)

HQ: +

Centurion [135Pts]: (Chaplain) Master craft one weapon to represent a Crozius Arcanum, Chaplain
. Chaplain: Artificer Armour, Athanaen, Cult Arcana Discipline, Psychic Discipline: Telepathy
. . Power Weapon: Power Sword
. . Æther-Fire Pistol

Centurion, Cataphractii [145Pts]
. Primus Medicae: Combi-Bolter, Cult Arcana Discipline, Pavoni, Psychic Discipline: Biomancy
. . Power Weapon: Power Sword
. Primus Medicae

Elites: +

Contemptor-Osiron Dreadnought Talon [290Pts]
. Contemptor-Osiron Magus Dreadnought: Corvidae, Gravis Melta Cannon, Havoc Launcher, Minor Arcana, Æther-Fire Blaster
. Contemptor-Osiron Magus Upgrade: Psychic Discipline: Telepathy

Numerologist Cabal [186Pts]: 5x Asphyx Bolt Pistol, 4x Life Wards
. Numerologist: Achea Force Axe, Master-crafted Asphyx Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Dozer Blade, Heavy Flamer

Sekhmet Terminator Cabal [300Pts]: Pavoni
. Sekhmet: Achea Force Axe, Combi-Bolter
. Sekhmet: Achea Force Axe, Combi-Bolter
. Sekhmet: Achea Force Axe, Combi-Bolter
. Sekhmet: Achea Force Axe, Combi-Bolter
. Sekhmet Inceptor: Achea Force Axe, Combi-Bolter
. . Psychic Discipline: Psychic Discipline: Biomancy

Troops: +

Tactical Squad [120Pts]
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Asphyx Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Corvidae, Power Armour
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Asphyx Bolter, 8x Bolt Pistol
. Legionary w/ Options:: Asphyx Bolter, Augury Scanner, Bolt Pistol

Tactical Support Squad [325Pts]: Æther-Fire Blaster
. Legion Tactical Support Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Athanaen, Æther-Fire Pistol
. . Power Weapon: Power Sword
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol
. Rhino Transport: Dozer Blade, Heavy Flamer, Searchlights

Heavy Support: +

Heavy Support Squad [235Pts]: Volkite Culverin
. Legion Support Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Pavoni
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol

Sicaran Punisher Squadron [405Pts]
. Sicaran Punisher: 2x Lascannons, Heavy Bolter, Pintle Mounted Magna Combi-Weapon Plasma Gun
. Sicaran Punisher: 2x Lascannons, Heavy Bolter, Pintle Mounted Magna Combi-Weapon Plasma Gun

Primarch: +

Magnus the Red [520Pts]

Primarch's Retinue: +

Command Squad, Tartaros [215Pts]
. Tartaros Standard Bearer w/Melee Weapon: Lightning Claw
. 4x Tartaros w/Lightning Claws: 4x Pair of Lightning Claws

++ Total: [2,996Pts] ++

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@sacred crown @valid skiff

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 4:56 PM

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Okay, how much are you planning to DS, if anything?

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 4:57 PM

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Probably not a whole bunch.

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Probably the heavy support squad

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And maybe the sekhmets

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Maybe the tac support too

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Not too sure yet

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 4:58 PM

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I don't see a transport for Magnus' goons. They teleporting in or just sprinting up the field?

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 4:58 PM

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Probably sprinting up. I can add one probably if needed

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 4:58 PM

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Admittedly, they can go flying between M7, Pavoni, and I4

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 4:58 PM

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But they’re in magnus’s squad so they have pavoni yeah

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 4:58 PM

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14" movement per run is equivalent in speed to Sanguinius

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 4:59 PM

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I didn’t bother due to pavoni

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 4:59 PM

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Presumably the chaplain is for the goonsquad, and the medic for the sekhmet?

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 4:59 PM

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Yes

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I’m just gonna kitbash the medic and chaplain from the cataphractii praetor and chaplain box

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:01 PM

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So from what I'm seeing you have a lot of anti-infantry power. Punishers, Volkite, Axes everywhere. This is good, you'll tear apart enemy scoring like nobody's business

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However, aside from the Aetherfire blasters (which need a psychic check to go to S8), you're fairly light on anti-tank

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The Sekhmet sgt and Magnus both can do it in melee without issue, and the Osiron can bonk some things as well

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But you have precious little ranged AT

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:02 PM

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I could probably convert my sicaran into AT

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if needed?

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by bringing it with a different loadout I mean

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:03 PM

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Yeah, that would be advisable. Venators are the good AT sicaran, with Omegas serving as a midway point between the punisher and the venator

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:03 PM

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Will do then

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I’ll probably use omegas since they will be at my front lines

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:04 PM

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Also, the pintle combis you bought for the Sicarans. Those plasma guns are one-use. I wouldn't bother with that unless you're investing in a pintle Multi-Melta for defensive fire purposes

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:04 PM

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Got it

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yeah I knew it was a one time use i just put it there for point filling

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:05 PM

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On the TSS, the sgt probably doesn't need the Aetherfire Pistol. He has his big gun for all shooting purposes, the pistol will never be used unless you want to charge with the TSS....and why would you unless you're desperate?

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All those power swords can also freely be turned into Achaean power weapons, so might as well declare that. You lose nothing by doing so, and gain the opportunity to have +2S in melee with them if needed

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:06 PM

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Ok

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Didnt know about the power weapons

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:07 PM

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Other than that you're probably fine so long as someone isn't bringing a hyper optimized list. And even if they are, you have a magus osiron, a chaplain, and Magnus to pop telepathy to help even the odds

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Yeah, admittedly that's only for characters and the Sekhmet, but still useful

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The loadout for Magnus' command squad will kinda lock them into being power armor bullies unless you intend to pawn off challenges to the squad and use magnus to delete models before they swing, so just take care that you don't get caught out by a hammer squad

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:09 PM

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Alright

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Uhhh, ok so

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What power swords can I switch

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I cant switch the one on the chaplain

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:10 PM

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The swords on characters. So, your HQs, the TSS Sgt

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Do you have the books on hand?

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Hmm, you can swap the chaplain's sword, but it'll become a "Force" weapon so you can't MC it

small hinge Oct 22, 2022, 5:11 PM

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The ICs can't get achean force weapons

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Only your sergeants

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:12 PM

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Right

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I'm so used to 1e where force weapons were handed out like candy

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:12 PM

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Yeah

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I just looked at that in the book

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:12 PM

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But yeah, I guess in that case it's just the TSS Sgt, but at least its free

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:12 PM

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You can’t get any on your characters

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True

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From what I’ve seen the 30k crowd doesnt tend to bring anything super optimized

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It’s just “for fun”

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It’s like, bring a list that works don’t bring something that’s OP

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correct me if I’m wrong

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:14 PM

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You're right 9 times out of 10

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Though some local metas are filled with very optimized lists, either b/c the players enjoy that or because the new rules made it so that old lists are egregious (FotA, for example)

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:15 PM

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Ah

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:15 PM

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Fury used to be a functional auto-loss against a competent opponent. Now it has the reputation of being a meta-defining rite

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:15 PM

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I know that the people around me literally cast out 40K style powergamers

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:16 PM

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Yeah, then your list should be fine

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:16 PM

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Yeah

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:16 PM

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Just be sure to clarify with them ahead of time if Magnus can still use his Shrouded or not

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Because RAW, he is Fearless and cannot, but then it makes no sense for him to have Shrouded(5+) to begin with

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:16 PM

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I’m playing for fun, and I’m bringing units that I think look cool with loadouts that work. That’s how I did my first army and that’s how I plan to do this one

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:17 PM

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sacred crown Because RAW, he is *Fearless* and cannot, but then it makes no sense for him to ...

What does this mean?

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I’m gonna be totally honest this is my first time using a primarch

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:17 PM

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As per the latest (and only) FAQ/Errata, any model that is Fearless cannot use the Shrouded(X) special rule at all

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Magnus has Shrouded(5+) natively as part of his rules. However, as a Primarch, he is also Fearless. So while he can gain the Shrouded rule from any source (such as the Evade reaction), he can't benefit from it himself

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The same errata also broke Corax, who comes with Shrouded(4+)

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So just a quick "hey, would you allow Magnus to use his Shrouded?" before the game should settle that question on an opponent-by-opponent basis

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:19 PM

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Ok sounds good

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I picked Magnus cause a) he is my favorite primarch and b) his warlord trait seems pretty good. He also protects (to a point) almost all my units against perils of the warp

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:21 PM

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He is pretty good, ngl. Access to every power in the game, Shrouded(5+), native DS (though his goons will still need to take it if they don't have it themselves), and a sword that can go to S12 AP1

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:21 PM

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Niiiice

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:22 PM

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Magnus is indeed great, regardless of target. He'll still struggle against some primarchs (notably master duelists such as the Lion and Russ), but he has more than enough tools to just not deal with them

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:23 PM

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from what I’ve seen in this edition most people aren’t using primarchs

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at least in my local meta

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:24 PM

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Then enjoy having a 520pt model that boosts your army! It's beautiful and honestly Magnus is one of the fairer primarchs anyway

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:24 PM

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that model looks so good man

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cant wait to get it in a few weeks

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:24 PM

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He's decently expensive, moderately survivable, and you can choose just which powers you want to mess around with so that you can scale your power level up and down

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Contrast with Russ, who exists seemingly to kill all of his brothers except for perhaps Horus

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:25 PM

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is tsons uhh, the most “technical” army

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in 30k

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:25 PM

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Lots of bookkeeping, yeah

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:25 PM

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Like there’s so much to do with it

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it shocked me at first

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felt overwhelming

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Also because of my RoW, my Terminators count as Troops right?

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the Sekhmets, not Magnus’s

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:27 PM

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They are, yes. However, that means nothing other than more elites slots open

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Sadly, troops are no longer universally scoring

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:27 PM

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no uh, magnus also protects them from perils of the warp too

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I’m pretty sure it’s troops

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is what he protects

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Lemme check

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Nvm

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it’s a unit type so still probably not

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:28 PM

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Magnus reduces all perils by 1 wound, to a minimum of 1, and hands out Adamantium Will(6+) or boosts that rule by +1

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:29 PM

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Who has the Psyker subtype

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at least in my list

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I don’t have my book on me at the moment

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:29 PM

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All TS units that are Infantry or Cavalry, as well as anything that is explicitly stated to be a psyker

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So, basically your entire list

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:29 PM

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oh alright

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:29 PM

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Other than the rhino

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:29 PM

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and the sicarans

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:30 PM

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Yeah

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:30 PM

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great

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:30 PM

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Not that the Sekhmet need the Adamantium will, they already have a 4++ invuln

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But the reduction in wounds is great

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:30 PM

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yeah

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They also are gonna have my medic following them around

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they’ll probably be pretty hard to take down

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:30 PM

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FnP can't be used on Perils, sadly

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But with 2x Biomancy psykers in the unit, they'll be rocking S6 and T6 whenever you need them to be

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+1 natively for the axe, and then +2 more if you pop Achaean Force for a total of up to S9

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Who fears dreadnoughts now??

winter ravine Oct 22, 2022, 5:31 PM

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Lmaooo

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Yeah my list sounds good now

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Thanks. The only things I weren’t sure about were the tanks and I got those fixed

sacred crown Oct 22, 2022, 5:32 PM

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Pleasure doing business with you thousandsons

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