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So I just know so far that I'm sold on a couple things, and need to figure out what else should be added now on top of this
-Traitor EC
-Tartaros Centurion: Phoenix Warden, Phoenix Rapier
-Tartaros Praetor: Paragon blade, combi volkite.
-Phoenix Terminator Retinue: 4 Phoenix Spears, 1 Rapier
-Elites: Contemptor Dread, Fist, Multimelta
-Troops: Assault squad, 10 chainswords, AA
-HS: Sun Killers, 4 lascannon, 1 plasma cannon
<@&877300979136086086> would love help with what to upgrade from here
junior rose
How would you be moving them around the battlefield
harsh tendon
Well you are going to want a couple squads of tacticals for holding objectives
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just basic tacs or kitted out with what
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How would you be moving them around the battlefield
and I have no clue thats why im asking
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bayonetts?
harsh tendon
Probably wouldn't bother unless you have extra points
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ah ok
harsh tendon
We are a melee army
So you want to save upgrade points for melee units
You are going to want some sort of bodyguard unit for your characters
Palatine blades, command squad, ect
& probably some more consuls
Specifically a Chaplin, a Librarian, & a Champion
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all of the above or like one of them
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oh perfect that makes my life really easy conisdering ive got 2 of those 3 modeled
harsh tendon
& you have to run a champ if you want to run our one right of war
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also ive already got the phoenix warden for maru skana
harsh tendon
Well if you want to build for Maru, then you should think about what units you would want to outflank
But like
Things you definitely want to pick up next would be troops
Because you need 2 line troops to have a legal list
So 2 tratical squads, & maybe either some dispoilers or some snipers
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so 2x10 tacs with the only upgrade being AA on the seargeant?
another question are breachers any good in EC? because I do rather like the idea of them, but dont really know the game
harsh tendon
Well maybe a power sword, i wouldn't invest more than that in them
They get so few attacks, & would do so little against enemy units on the charge
That by the time you got to say a power fist on a sgt
Most of the squad will be dead anyway
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so just waste of points got it
harsh tendon
Pretty much
Better spent on something like your assault marines
Or some dispoliers
Or vets
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I mean ive played one game of maru skana and the 2 mvp units were a unit of assault marines that just ran around the backfield and a single squad of tacs that sat on the backfield and scored
harsh tendon
Fair
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so while I wasnt sure on the tacs maybe being switched out for scouts or despoilers or something im pretty sold on the assault marines
harsh tendon
Well you want something you don't feel bad about sitting on objectives
Scouts dont have line
But i think it is seekers do?
There is a troop choice that is basically scouts but have power armor
dusky fox
recons
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yeah thats what I meant sorry
harsh tendon
& can take sniper rifles
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still not used to HH
dusky fox
and they can take nemesis bolters, so a squad of 5 can sit at the back and snipe
but recon are a support squad, so dont count as 1 of your compulsory, so 1 tac for midfield, 1 assault for pushing up and 1 recon for back line is a good troop selection
dusky fox
another thing to note is that tartaros praetors are the worst of the 3 options since power armour and cataphractii both get 4+ invun, but Tartaros only get 5+, its not a huge thing, just something stupid to be aware of
harsh tendon
Aside from them i would think about what kind of bodyguard unit you would want for your warlord
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another thing to note is that tartaros praetors are the worst of the 3 options s...
yes but at the same time cool tartaros praetor model coming out for EC
dusky fox
yeh, but i will run him as a champion in tartaros and get the power armour praetor for warlord
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and im not sure I want to put a cataphractii terminator with a unit of phoenix that just seems counterintuitive
ok thats a lot more fair
dusky fox
he would also work as the warden
tartaros command squad gives you 5 models, can take thunder hammers, so fits in a land raider nicely, or you can go phoenix retinue, get up to 10 models and go in a spartan
personally im not a fan of 10 man terminator squads or spartans, since they take up too much of the points for the army
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do phoenix squads work in units of 5 or do I need to get more
dusky fox
5-10
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I know they can be taken but do they work
harsh tendon
5 is probably best
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ok cool
dusky fox
my current setup is a praetor with a 5 man tartaros command squad with banner giving line, and a herald with 5 phoenix terminators giving them line and fearless for 2 solid terminator units
both with WS5 which is important
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I mean ive got 5 of em and would like to run them but thats me
dusky fox
5
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phoneix
dusky fox
phoenix are a great defensive unit, put them with a powerful melee character and they do great
the phoenix protect the character while the character wins the combat and then you sweep and wipe them
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is the phoenix warden a good enough melee character?
dusky fox
he is ok, though i prefer the champion because he can take a thunder hammer and his free paragon blade, but the warden is fine
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ok so champion, what armor should he have?
dusky fox
id make a tartaros character and run it as either of the 2
the warden can take a thunder hammer and a phoenix power weapon
he gets a 4+ invun and the skill unmatched makes him very tanky
so you can make a model with a thunder hammer and a weapon that can count as a phoenix or paragon weapon
tough mango
Phoenix Warden can take a thunder hammer as well, but not a Paragon Blade. They're bound to a Phoenix weapon for their freebie.