#Traitor Ec 2k to 3k listbuilding help

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candid path
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So I just know so far that I'm sold on a couple things, and need to figure out what else should be added now on top of this

-Traitor EC

-Tartaros Centurion: Phoenix Warden, Phoenix Rapier

-Tartaros Praetor: Paragon blade, combi volkite.
-Phoenix Terminator Retinue: 4 Phoenix Spears, 1 Rapier

-Elites: Contemptor Dread, Fist, Multimelta

-Troops: Assault squad, 10 chainswords, AA

-HS: Sun Killers, 4 lascannon, 1 plasma cannon

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<@&877300979136086086> would love help with what to upgrade from here

junior rose
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How would you be moving them around the battlefield

harsh tendon
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Well you are going to want a couple squads of tacticals for holding objectives

candid path
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just basic tacs or kitted out with what

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harsh tendon
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Well basic tacs don't get options really

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Except the sgt

candid path
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bayonetts?

harsh tendon
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Probably wouldn't bother unless you have extra points

candid path
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ah ok

harsh tendon
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We are a melee army

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So you want to save upgrade points for melee units

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You are going to want some sort of bodyguard unit for your characters

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Palatine blades, command squad, ect

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& probably some more consuls

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Specifically a Chaplin, a Librarian, & a Champion

candid path
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all of the above or like one of them

harsh tendon
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All 3

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They are all good to have

candid path
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oh perfect that makes my life really easy conisdering ive got 2 of those 3 modeled

harsh tendon
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& you have to run a champ if you want to run our one right of war

candid path
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also ive already got the phoenix warden for maru skana

harsh tendon
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Well if you want to build for Maru, then you should think about what units you would want to outflank

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But like

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Things you definitely want to pick up next would be troops

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Because you need 2 line troops to have a legal list

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So 2 tratical squads, & maybe either some dispoilers or some snipers

candid path
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so 2x10 tacs with the only upgrade being AA on the seargeant?

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another question are breachers any good in EC? because I do rather like the idea of them, but dont really know the game

harsh tendon
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Well maybe a power sword, i wouldn't invest more than that in them

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They get so few attacks, & would do so little against enemy units on the charge

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That by the time you got to say a power fist on a sgt

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Most of the squad will be dead anyway

candid path
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so just waste of points got it

harsh tendon
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Pretty much

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Better spent on something like your assault marines

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Or some dispoliers

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Or vets

candid path
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I mean ive played one game of maru skana and the 2 mvp units were a unit of assault marines that just ran around the backfield and a single squad of tacs that sat on the backfield and scored

harsh tendon
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Fair

candid path
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so while I wasnt sure on the tacs maybe being switched out for scouts or despoilers or something im pretty sold on the assault marines

harsh tendon
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Well you want something you don't feel bad about sitting on objectives

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Scouts dont have line

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But i think it is seekers do?

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There is a troop choice that is basically scouts but have power armor

dusky fox
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recons

harsh tendon
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Them

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They get line

candid path
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yeah thats what I meant sorry

harsh tendon
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& can take sniper rifles

candid path
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still not used to HH

dusky fox
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and they can take nemesis bolters, so a squad of 5 can sit at the back and snipe

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but recon are a support squad, so dont count as 1 of your compulsory, so 1 tac for midfield, 1 assault for pushing up and 1 recon for back line is a good troop selection

harsh tendon
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The tacts & recon can be build out of 1 box of mk 6 btw

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With some extra bits

dusky fox
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another thing to note is that tartaros praetors are the worst of the 3 options since power armour and cataphractii both get 4+ invun, but Tartaros only get 5+, its not a huge thing, just something stupid to be aware of

harsh tendon
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Aside from them i would think about what kind of bodyguard unit you would want for your warlord

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dusky fox
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yeh, but i will run him as a champion in tartaros and get the power armour praetor for warlord

candid path
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and im not sure I want to put a cataphractii terminator with a unit of phoenix that just seems counterintuitive

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ok thats a lot more fair

dusky fox
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he would also work as the warden

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tartaros command squad gives you 5 models, can take thunder hammers, so fits in a land raider nicely, or you can go phoenix retinue, get up to 10 models and go in a spartan

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personally im not a fan of 10 man terminator squads or spartans, since they take up too much of the points for the army

candid path
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do phoenix squads work in units of 5 or do I need to get more

dusky fox
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5-10

candid path
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I know they can be taken but do they work

harsh tendon
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5 is probably best

candid path
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ok cool

harsh tendon
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They are mostly good for absorbing charges

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Not charging things

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I like spartans

dusky fox
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my current setup is a praetor with a 5 man tartaros command squad with banner giving line, and a herald with 5 phoenix terminators giving them line and fearless for 2 solid terminator units

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both with WS5 which is important

harsh tendon
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They can be incredibly tough to put down

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But they are am investment

candid path
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I mean ive got 5 of em and would like to run them but thats me

dusky fox
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5

candid path
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phoneix

dusky fox
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phoenix are a great defensive unit, put them with a powerful melee character and they do great

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the phoenix protect the character while the character wins the combat and then you sweep and wipe them

candid path
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is the phoenix warden a good enough melee character?

dusky fox
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he is ok, though i prefer the champion because he can take a thunder hammer and his free paragon blade, but the warden is fine

candid path
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ok so champion, what armor should he have?

dusky fox
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id make a tartaros character and run it as either of the 2

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the warden can take a thunder hammer and a phoenix power weapon

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he gets a 4+ invun and the skill unmatched makes him very tanky

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so you can make a model with a thunder hammer and a weapon that can count as a phoenix or paragon weapon

tough mango
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Phoenix Warden can take a thunder hammer as well, but not a Paragon Blade. They're bound to a Phoenix weapon for their freebie.