Any plan for gear based matchmaking to prevent noob stomping?

[fiery thunder]

GBMM is the easiest way to kill an extraction game. that would make the gear progression worthless. its part of the extraction genre that you have the chance to face against overgeared players, and one of the best feelings when you can defeat one. just like when you kill a geared pmc as a scav in tarkov.

[snow basalt]

Sadly, that dosn't translate in a fantasy combat. In tarkov, you can always aim better. In legacy, there's not much you can do when a ranged is so geared that you get killed before even reaching then

[fiery thunder]

tbh im experiencing the same feeling as in tarkov, yes, gear is good and makes you more powerful, but not in an invincible way, a skilled player with a basic gear set will have a chance to kill a geared enemy. your abilities is coming from leveling and traits, gears are just extra "talents" to those. and some extra stat, but not too extra

and still, if GBMM coming in the game, and i will fight against only gears on the same level, then why should i farm those gears? i can hop in naked while i know that everyone else will be naked too. farming better gear in these extraction games is for getting an advantage, GBMM is against this.

[uneven gate]

idk what yall are talking about, this game has such an incredibly high skill ceiling. I regually beat full green and have even beat people with multiple blues with ease while only wearing white gear. Learn your class and other classes so know how they want to fight and what they dont want to happen in a fight. Also make sure you are bringing enough bandages and healing pots into the game

[pearl dome]

The game is fresh. Look at DaD, GiG, Dungeonborne. It will kill the game for casuals.

[fiery thunder]

not this game, i didnt had one single fight where i lose because of the gear difference. still, you can kill with junk gear someone with full green/blue. but if i cant face against players with better gears, then why would i even fight them, if i dont want their loot?

[pearl dome]

Bruh the game is out for a week, you'll notice later on when you will face people in legendary gear

[fiery thunder]

i have over 5k hour in tarkov, dont worry i know how this works

[jagged sleet]

in this game gear not give to u main advantage (instead Warrior), and u really want to fight against new players in gray and after go fight with green sweatlords, ho will not forgive your mistakes?

[pearl dome]

Brother, blu elderbow hit for 800 hs, imagine a legendary oneshotting people from roofs.

[fiery thunder]

if thats what you afraid of, then dont even go close to tarkov, where even the lowest enemy can oneshot you with a shotgun from 100 away through a pixel. if these situations are your problem maybe you should not play extraction games, its not for everyone

[uneven gate]

any type of gear separation ruins the game. I will still stomp kids in full purps wearing my white gear

[pearl dome]

sure buddy

[uneven gate]

i dont see why it would matter, most people cant even hit me in a duel

[fiery thunder]

at this point, you simply dont want to understand what is an extraction game, you basically asking the devs to change a genre. if you cant enjoy how a game like this works then search for a different game, dont cry for illogical changes

[jagged sleet]

but in melee fight this bow trash, so this game have nice balance (instead warrior now)

[jagged sleet]

and is it bad, then LEGENDARY long bow can kill in head vs grey armor

sounds like make it as easy as in CS with AWP

[pearl dome]

Ok you just discovered this game through tarkov, I understand

[jagged sleet]

me not

I like this because of much mechanics, that give me option to try hard

and my better plays gives me victory against all

[fiery thunder]

i like how he only reply to meaningless things, not to the actual arguments, tells everything

[snow basalt]

That wont happened if you are a warrior. It will only happend when the class is broken. Let's be real, the only class you can kill purple geared player has white geared class are the class that can ambishh

[uneven gate]

lol not true at all, i will give you that priest definitely cant and probably not hunter but war and rogue can both do it. its just a skill issue for ya bud

[snow basalt]

A melee will always has a harder time then a ranged. Not sure why you are talking about skill. It will always be easier for a ranged to kill a melee who caught them off guard

[slate relic]

I've been trying for days to keep my mouth shut, but I can't. If you want GBMM, you are legitimately bad at the game. You're lazy, and want your gear spoon fed to you. You shouldn't be playing an extraction game. I saw someone's comment who complained about not being able to kill someone because of their gear. This game is SKILL BASED. I have done it a million times with junk/common gear vs someone with greens. It's harder, but it can be done, unlike in Dark and Darker. This game did it right. For the love of all that is holy, please go play a different game if you can't handle losing your gear or putting in effort to get better.

[fiery thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/up-pointing-up-super-victor-universe-blazzord-meme-gif-18181091818086068700

[uneven gate]

that is true in most games but not this one, i mean it really all comes down to skill

[granite cove]

As the game grows, it is something we will be considering.

Answered this in the FAQ here: https://noto-studios.slite.com/app/docs/AodTWyhV3VXHPu#nJet2hyY0iPkHP

[pearl dome]

I'm not "lazy" nor I have gear fear. I just have few hours per week and I want to play the game, not necessarly grind it to the top like a teenager or full time player. GBMM is something used in DaD and in Dungeonborne, but if you think about a more succesfull game like Hunt showdown, you also have Skill based MM based on K/D ratio. On shooter games skill is more important than gear, in this type of fantasy extraction looters gear make the difference. Btw dev already answered and probably have a clearer view than sweatlords.

[slate relic]

They're doing starter/new zones, go there. This isn't Hunt, it's way different. Dungeonborne has 3 concurrent players. Dark and darker has been slowly dying and is loathed by its community. A big chunk came here. If you don't have time to play, play monster hunter wilds or something. Does Tarkov have GBMM? No. It's the most successful game in the genre.

[frosty oracle]

preach brother, i love your name and your point of view. Stratified lobbies saved dark and darker it went from really fun, to a complete sweat lord streamer beat down min max fest, to now a well balanced stratified game where you can have fun at any gear level and fight people who have good gear but it’s in a range that your at vs running into people in uniques while ur in greens. the only issue is it requires player base because for a while it hurt dnd when u couldn’t find a match and they had too much choices in lobbies.

now they just let u join mid raid to negate this issue

[slate relic]

Well the devs already said they arent doing it so go ruin someone elses extraction game. Gear based quite literally ruins the whole point of these games. They're adding different maps that have higher and lower difficulty. Play in the lower ones or get better/risk your characters life in the higher tiered loot map.

[sturdy relic]

Too be fair with 120hr played, balancing is for sure off. Theirs no doubt you have to be a better player than the player with gear to win. If they are even close to competent you will likely lose, thats also considering the best gear people run currently are greens sometimes with a few blues. I have ran into 1 team all full blues in 120 hours. The gear range is currently small enough to where someone having "more gear" isnt too bad, theyre 1 tier above you. I could imagine the odds of winning a fight againt an even worse player than yourself with full purp/leggo wld prob be 1/100 which is fun imo, but not to a majority playerbase if were still assuming were in white vs that obviously if ur blue etc its prob more doable

[slate relic]

I quite literally kill people with common gear on a daily basis when they have greens and blues. Once you start getting into Epic/Lego gear I can see it being an issue, but it's supposed to be an issue considering how hard that quality of gear is to get at the moment. That's literally the entire point. Balancing in this game is actually fantastic, aside from the warrior weapon and some minor number adjustments to some of the slightly weaker classes.

[sturdy relic]

well thats what im saying rn its not bad future it prob will be, Thats what killed a majority of dnd for awhile fantasy extractions do not work the same as a shooter. Gear does matter a bit more

im also fine with it either way i slam all day but i see more casual base dying bc of it

[slate relic]

dark and dark literally sucks now. You can go in and immediately get purple gear in like your second game, to me that's so dumb

[pearl dome]

Migz we understand you are are tryhard, but the game is not yet at that state where GBMM is required because right now the better geared player have few blues. Wait till Purple and Gold gear will be the norm for sweatlords and than we'll have discord full of casuals asking for this. When gear will give you 1k healt points more it will take the time to kill two people to actually kill an unemployed tryhard.

[sturdy relic]

ya i was top kill leaderboards player 1000s of hours but quit bc the game went down hill

im not arguing they made bad changes but some were good

[pearl dome]

don't compare with tarkov where one headshot will kill or hunt where the same applies. This is more like WoW style.

[frosty oracle]

dark and darker is in a great state compared to how it was when u would get rolled by streamer buff barbs every game

and it’s all from gbmm

i think people don’t realize we got two types of players, ones with jobs and responsibilities and ones who game for a living or can get away with playing 8 hours a day but i think separating the two isn’t the worst thing for gaming hahhaha