Finished building my drone, need BF help

[lucid sun]

I have this now😁

I can put some IPA on a cotton ear stick? And just brush it over.

[wary anchor]

ye

[lucid sun]

Is that one on the right oke, or should I move it more to the center of the pad

[dusk wadi]

I'd say that's perfectly ok, but you can touch it up to match the others

[lucid sun]

Okee! Now its time for the fc 😮

I just realised watercoating is gonna be a bitch

The motorshield are 3m'd onto the frame

Does it matter what I do first? Receiver or vtx

[lucid sun]

For your recommended SuperD I just heatshrink it and then use a tierap? To set it in place?

[wary anchor]

ye u can

[lucid sun]

Tx to r2

Rx to t2

[dusk wadi]

Correct

[lucid sun]

Can I heatshrink the antenna's?

[dusk wadi]

Not sure what part you want to heatshrink but most likely yes

[lucid sun]

The white ends of the tbar

For the one under the motorarm

And for the front I put a ziptie ontop of the T connection, should be ok

[dusk wadi]

Yeah sure

[lucid sun]

The standard tpu doesn't fit.😁

[lucid sun]

https://youtu.be/M3dd850WyBM

Should I do this?

[lucid sun]

Where does the green black wire go? @surreal meteor

[surreal meteor]

joystick cable

for the cam

idk if caddx is finally including a joystic or button board with their cams

if trhey do its so you can make changes in the cameras settings

like turning off the internal OSD etc

[lucid sun]

This is not necessary right

It comes with the button board

Joystick actually

[surreal meteor]

not a necessity but if it has a camera own OSD it can be overlapped by the betaflight osd and annoying

youll have to see once u power it up

[lucid sun]

Oke

King dihler

🤙😁

Last thing

Vtx should go with heatshrink up?

[surreal meteor]

this one has a heatsink around it

not really necessary

[surreal meteor]

btw for this: hes talkin about how the cable is too thin but disregards that the ESCs are powered by traces on the board that can reliably send 30A and more through them

just to put that advice in perspective

[lucid sun]

Tramp (vtx) goes to VTX (speedybee f405)

Gnd to G
9V to 9V

Right?

[surreal meteor]

9V?

for the cam right?

oh i thought this was a rush tank solo for a second lmfao

[lucid sun]

Haha

[surreal meteor]

they have the same heatsink

[lucid sun]

I can put 24 v in straight from battery😁

[surreal meteor]

video goes to vtx, gnd to gnd, 7-36V to vbat or 9V your choice, tramp goes to a TX pad of your FC

tramp is there to have your FC control youur VTX so you can change channels through smartaudio/tramp

since the 9V is so neatly there id use that

[lucid sun]

From the top: the video / gnd/ and 5v out have a standard connector to attach to camera

[surreal meteor]

video on the VTX is for video input into the VTX

[lucid sun]

Oke yeah

[surreal meteor]

since you are routing your camera through the FC you need to take that signal which comes out on the VTX pad and sent that there

[lucid sun]

Vbat is 24 volts?

[surreal meteor]

vbat is whatever your battery is at

direct passthroguh

[lucid sun]

But battery is fluctuating alot more then the 9V pad I assume

[surreal meteor]

it is but the VTX has its own vreg on board

[lucid sun]

Woah through this little wire

[surreal meteor]

9V will be cleaner tho

[surreal meteor]

that doesnt mean anything

[surreal meteor]

you could put 100V on that wire. it all depends how much current is goin through

[lucid sun]

So i'll not use VTX. But t1?

[surreal meteor]

u use VTX

you need to get the video to the VTX

those 3 pads is where oyu r camera goes on

this is what u use for the VTX

[lucid sun]

I know but this VTX can ask like 2.5W

[surreal meteor]

2.5/9=?

[lucid sun]

Soldering is better then connector?

10

My bad

[lucid sun]

Im used to calculating in kw

[surreal meteor]

in Ampere

277mA

not much current

[lucid sun]

Jup

[surreal meteor]

if u use vbat itll ask even less current

cuz higher voltage

[surreal meteor]

and wdym connector

you are not plugging the cam into the VTX are you

i mean you can if you do not want OSD

[surreal meteor]

nope dont do that

this bypasses the FC

if you want onscreen display you wanna route the cam to the FC

[lucid sun]

Ah

[surreal meteor]

and oyu want OSD

to see the battery voltage and so on

[lucid sun]

I hope the wire is long enough

[surreal meteor]

wdym it doesnt have to be long

[lucid sun]

So for vtx I dont use the 5v out now

[surreal meteor]

u wont use it

no need

unless the 5V vreg on your FC dies but then u got other problems

[lucid sun]

Oke cool

And I connect both vtx grounds to 1 gnd on fc

[surreal meteor]

no

just one is enough

[lucid sun]

Does it hurt?

[surreal meteor]

its unnecessary

makes it easier to build

way too much hassle trying to put 2 wires on one small pad

[lucid sun]

They always told me it will act as an antenna

[surreal meteor]

wa

[lucid sun]

Ok

Nvm

Thanks alot for your help

[surreal meteor]

like i said

[lucid sun]

I'll continue tomorrow I want to nail the vtx

Yes

[surreal meteor]

or use vbat

or BAT as it is labelled on the FC

and i would use these 4

[lucid sun]

Thanks man, I see now. The connector trew me off

Let's make vote for when I sleep:

Vbat or 9V for foxeer Reaper vtx 2.5W

[wary anchor]

9v

[wary anchor]

9v is generally better filtered

[surreal meteor]

i mean itll double filter so yeah

and stop worrying about that the cables could be too thin for the power going through them

its fine

the traces on the boards are even thinner at times

[lucid sun]

This mount is for mounting on airplanes and such right?

[smoky brook]

Yse

Yes*

[dusk wadi]

I've used that in a frame too, but in your case that's useless and won't work

[lucid sun]

For the big vtx

What place, im thinking about C

A could be possible maybe

[dusk wadi]

Think of how it affects taking the top plate off

[lucid sun]

I will mount it the the tpu part of C, or is this not sturdy enough

[dusk wadi]

Either you need to be able to easily able to unplug it

[dusk wadi]

Eh, should be fine

[lucid sun]

Heatshrink canals should be on the touching mounting surface I assume

Like this

[lucid sun]

Oke👌

I find it weird, it comes with mounting screw holes. But it doesn't fit anywhere. Maybe it's because my frame is kinda designed for digital

[dusk wadi]

The mounting holes are 20*20 but actually meant to mount a fan

[lucid sun]

Ah that makes sence

It will overheat without?

[dusk wadi]

Nah, being mounted on a drone provides it with all the airflow it needs

Mostly an issue in planes and stuff

[lucid sun]

B would probably be the best spot, for cooling🤔 and no noise from the battery.

But it doesn't fit in its length, I would have to rotate it 90° making the outputs coming outside the frame😐

[lucid sun]

Ahh oke

Makes sense

[dusk wadi]

Ah yikes, then just do c

[lucid sun]

Lemme try something, i'll send some photo's for an idea.

[lucid sun]

So the cap is a bit in the way

Does it matter if the outside of the capacitor is hitting both the + and - of the solders blobs

And, If I elevate the vtx with the
thickness of the arm it can fit.

[dusk wadi]

Uhm it might be fine if it's the part with non conductive shielding

Check for continuity

[lucid sun]

Oke

For my gps this is the way?

M8q-5883

[dusk wadi]

yea

[lucid sun]

What do I do with the ground I don't use. Cut it off short?

[lucid sun]

.

[dusk wadi]

you can remove the pin from the plug

https://youtu.be/fh9gvhobVro

[lucid sun]

Super

[lucid sun]

Oke for scl sda

I assume not like this

But:

180° ?

[dusk wadi]

no first one was good

[lucid sun]

Oh

Oke🤞

[dusk wadi]

tbh you might not wanna even use the compass, I've heard it doesn't help/even makes things worse on betaflight rth

but you can disable it in fw after too

so there's no harm in wiring it

[lucid sun]

Actually

And I can always just unplug the connector from gps without the wires acting like weird antenna's?

So now I just wire the camera, and then im done??

[lucid sun]

🤔

[dusk wadi]

seems good yeah

[lucid sun]

My only concern is that I didn't plug the fc to esc plug in good. But I don't think it goes any further

It has connection gnd to gnd

[dusk wadi]

should be fine then

[lucid sun]

Where do what rings go with this

[surreal meteor]

you know how antennas have a big hex nut looking part that screws on?

thats what the black print is supposed to go on

to make it easier to tighten it by hand

[dusk wadi]

the rings and nut go on the outside to tighten the plug onto the 3d print

[lucid sun]

Oke so both rings on the outside

[dusk wadi]

eh tbh idk for sure

[lucid sun]

So the black printed hex nut thing is supposed to go on the antenna itself not the connector hex nut on the frame

[surreal meteor]

the connector nut is a lil small isnt it

[lucid sun]

I couldn't find this

[surreal meteor]

They work quite well too

[lucid sun]

1 ring has like little teeth, the other is pre-torqued or whatever

[lucid sun]

Yeah I put it on:)

[dusk wadi]

teeth are made to bite into the plastic

spring applies pressure

[lucid sun]

I can imagine

But probably springwasher on the inside of the frame. And the teeth pointing towards tpu on the outside? And then the nut to secure

[surreal meteor]

thats how i would do it but i dont use that style pigtail

[lucid sun]

I didn't choose this product

😜

[surreal meteor]

me neither lmfao

[lucid sun]

But connection is only the middle part right

[surreal meteor]

and the outside

[lucid sun]

Aswell

[surreal meteor]

ye

[lucid sun]

Oke so it should matter

[surreal meteor]

which is why it shouldnt touch the carbon

[lucid sun]

I see

@wary anchor you know this rings stuff?

[dusk wadi]

just do it like this, it's fine

[surreal meteor]

all that matters is that its tight enough to not rattle around

and ideally not unscrew itself

but thats what you got the 2 washers for

[lucid sun]

Oke:)

Using pliers to tighten it is a no go then.

[surreal meteor]

just be careful not to mess up the threads and not to screw throguh the tpu

but use some force aka pliers

or a socket if u got one

[lucid sun]

👌

[surreal meteor]

thats a very long antenna for a 5" lol

[lucid sun]

I didn't pick this

🤣 haha, no but I need long range. Im gonna fly over water and such

[lucid sun]

Where do you normally put the battery strap around?

Bottom of the drone of top plate

[lucid sun]

So my vtx cannot go at C?

Or I can just go over vtx

Squish it into place

[surreal meteor]

what is below the vtx?

[lucid sun]

Motor arm

[surreal meteor]

does the vtx not fit on the bottom?

[lucid sun]

No, only if I elevate it 0.5 cm to the level of motor arm

Big ass unit

[surreal meteor]

ye just put the strap above the vtx then lol

i presume youll zip tie the vtx to the 3D print?

[dusk wadi]

there should be slots in the top plate

for the strap

[surreal meteor]

not really

[dusk wadi]

oof

[surreal meteor]

nothin against putting the strap around the top plate

[dusk wadi]

does that 3d print just friction fit on the standoffs ?

[lucid sun]

Yes

[dusk wadi]

then yeah just leave enough space to slide the strap through

[surreal meteor]

wait do you have 1 or 2 straps

[lucid sun]

2

But I have a big ass unit battery

[surreal meteor]

ye then 1 back one above FC

[lucid sun]

And to mount the vtx to tpu I was thinking just zipties with heatshrink around them?

[dusk wadi]

you don't need to put heatshrink on the zip ties

[lucid sun]

So it will not slide out🤔

I have no idea about the forces on this thing

But 200 km is fast

[dusk wadi]

do you have a battery pad ?

[lucid sun]

Yes

[dusk wadi]

oh wait you meant the vtx

yeah no that won't slide out if you tighten it against tpu

[lucid sun]

Oki👌

And last thing the sma to mmcx cable

You need to watch out with bending this?

[surreal meteor]

dont kink it

just coil it or something

[lucid sun]

Coil

I could feed it through this little spacing

But this is gonna get squashed by the vtx zip ties

So better down the bottom?

[lucid sun]

But what do you mean with coil it

[dusk wadi]

just run the excess length in loops

[lucid sun]

Mhh

[dusk wadi]

Tuck it in and zip tie it to the bottom plate

[lucid sun]

This doesn't matter for noise and such?

I will push it more down into the cap

For room for the straps

[dusk wadi]

if that starts vibrating maybe

[lucid sun]

So it's better if it's just pushed onto the cap, doesn't matter if it actually touches it

Or should I heatshrink the cap or something

[dusk wadi]

nah the outside of the cap isn't conductive or anything

[lucid sun]

Oke great

To take of the top plate all I have to do is cut 1 zip tie

[dusk wadi]

unacceptable 😁

[lucid sun]

Exactly

It hurts

😁

Last steps, for testing on computer it's better to keep this of? For pressing buttons or anything?

And the nuts on the stack you can screw solidly handtight (by hand)

[dusk wadi]

if everything goes right you shouldn't need to press any buttons

[lucid sun]

😏

If someone can guide me through it in like 1h, Lets see!🤣

Anything I should check with multimeter? Apart from Continuity at the battery leads?

[wary anchor]

even continuity won't help you

[dusk wadi]

visual checks and triple checking your wiring, check back on wiring diagrams and such

[lucid sun]

Does it matter if the motor wires are hitting the fc

[lucid sun]

I hope not

@surreal meteor you know this stuff☺️

[smoky brook]

It's only bad if it touches the gyro

[surreal meteor]

if u can try to get em to not do that

[smoky brook]

but it's not really ideal anyway

[lucid sun]

Mhh oke

extra zipties

Thanks

Frame is pretty tensioned when screwed together

But carbon composites can bend

[surreal meteor]

that dont look right

top plate isnt supposed to bend in an S is it?

are you sure you didnt accidentally switch up the taller and shorter standoffs?

[lucid sun]

Im pretty sure

The difference is 5mm

In standoff

Now when tensioned it's alright

I think it's because the vtx tieraps/tyraps and the battery strap is kind of pushing things up

[smoky brook]

That still does not look great

[lucid sun]

Should I add rings?

Washers

[surreal meteor]

something is defo not right there

its like there is a plate missing in the back that is supposed to hold it up

what frame is this

[lucid sun]

Maybe it's compressing the tpu mount

[surreal meteor]

nad thats slid on the standoff

[lucid sun]

iFlight Titan DC5 v1.4

It's like this🤔

[surreal meteor]

@smoky brook am i seeing things or is it bending on the product shot as well?

thats the only sideview they give you oin the website

[smoky brook]

doesn't look bent to me

[surreal meteor]

i think it is but not as strongly

[lucid sun]

Is it possible I bend it

[smoky brook]

No

[lucid sun]

By tightening 1 screw before the side slabs were correctly in

I mean it's carbon

Should bend back

[surreal meteor]

it will bend back

but the standoffs arent making an even plane on top

which is not right

by the way the frame is made these 4 standoffs should be the same length can you check that?

[lucid sun]

I will, but you mean if there is just a manufactoring faul or if I used the wrong

[surreal meteor]

i hope its nto a manufacturing fault

or packaging error

idk but something doesnt add up here

[lucid sun]

Oke took it all off

Plate is straight

Wtf

Why

That's why

Now what

[lucid sun]

1 of the mounting places is lowered

[dusk wadi]

Wth

Are the others not recessed like this?

[lucid sun]

No

Well the one opposite

But the front no

Or back

But ok whatever, washers?

[dusk wadi]

I'd take off all standoffs and see what lengths they are

[lucid sun]

I don't have:)

The standoff are the same

Woah look what I found 😏

[dusk wadi]

a bit scuffed ngl

[lucid sun]

I have to sand them a little bit

Lol

[lucid sun]

I should complain and ask for a new frame

[dusk wadi]

yes absolutely

[lucid sun]

But wait

Maybe

I know

[dusk wadi]

ah uhm

did you maybe put those pieces upside down

[lucid sun]

That was what I was thinking

Mhh..

So this means taking it all apart again

No way

[lucid sun]

As straight as a pancake

Finished building my drone, need BF help

Can someone guide me through betaflight

[surreal meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwoDb7WF6c8nT4jjsE4VENEmwu9x8zDiE

[lucid sun]

If I just want to connect it and shoot it up once hover and go back down. How long will it take me to set it up?

No gps rth or anything

[surreal meteor]

shouldnt take long if you remember which UART you soldered what to

[dusk wadi]

you need to flash the receiver (or set the bind phrase through webui), do your ports, make sure the motor directions are correct, check channel map, assign your modes and it should takeoff

[lucid sun]

Alrighty

So like 1h

[dusk wadi]

I might be forgetting something

[surreal meteor]

chekc motor mapping too

[lucid sun]

you need to flash the receiver (or set the bind phrase through webui) which you recommend

[surreal meteor]

which ever is needed

if its already on the right firmware use webui otherwise flash reciever

[dusk wadi]

It's already on 3.0 so you can just set the bind phrase, but iirc there was a fix to get both rssi values in telemetry

So might be worth flashing at least at some point if you care

[surreal meteor]

webui is the faster route for just getting it done basically

[dusk wadi]

Yep

[lucid sun]

I don't understand but nothing you can do about it I guess🤣

In downloading bf config and bf now

[surreal meteor]

if i wqere you id spend some time doing some research on everything

[lucid sun]

So better not rush it in 1h to just get it to spin the motors

[surreal meteor]

and also whatever you do DO NOT HIT THE "RESET TO DEFUALTS" BUTTON

[lucid sun]

oke o.o

I saw some post coming around, someone who did that.

[surreal meteor]

ye dont do it

that button resets everything including flight controller specific settings

leading to you usually having to reflash the FC

[lucid sun]

Pre-release is ok?

[dusk wadi]

You don't have to download that

Just the configurator

[surreal meteor]

[dusk wadi]

But yes you'll want 4.4 for the better rth

So get the 10.9 configurator

[lucid sun]

Oke got it

[lucid sun]

it will download through the configurator ? Or the configurator is actually you need regarding settings.

4.4 is just the "OS"

[smoky brook]

4.4 is the OS which is flashed to the flight controller from the configurator

[surreal meteor]

watch that first video

or at least the beginning

it explains that

valid for 4.4 as well

[lucid sun]

I also saw something about overheating your vtx when on cable

or is this only when you also have the battery plugged iun

[surreal meteor]

vtx is only powered when a battery is plugged in

[lucid sun]

even when its on 9v instead of vbat

[surreal meteor]

ye

[lucid sun]

cool

[surreal meteor]

the 9V rail isnt powered by 5V usb

lol

[lucid sun]

so I should be ok plugging it in:)

maybe 9v became 5v

;P

I didn't know I had so many leds

Jeez

[wary anchor]

there's the rx and the FC and prolly the VTX

[lucid sun]

the superD actually

didn't expect that

or the camera

[surreal meteor]

elrs recievers be bright af

[lucid sun]

I like it

it illuminates the TPU side panel

[wary anchor]

the newer ones have RGB leds too

[surreal meteor]

ye its really cool

[lucid sun]

Holy shit I have rgb

He doesn't say to change these sliders in the video, but he has them enabled. Should I enable virtual connection mode

[dusk wadi]

Nah

That's to be able to connect to a "virtual" drone in the configurator to access the available settings for demonstration purposes and such

[lucid sun]

you guys flash FC? or like pc if it works it works?

[lucid sun]

Ah

[dusk wadi]

You'll want to flash 4.4 RC for the better gps rth

So might as well do it before setting it all up

[lucid sun]

ah oke, I thought 4.4 came later

that this was just it's own software

will do!

[dusk wadi]

Huh?

You have the configurator

Which let's you change settings on the flight controller, and flash (read "write software") the fc

I'm telling you 4.4 has much better rth so it's worth upgrading to in your case

Flashing from a major version to another 4.3 -> 4.4 wipes your configuration

So I'm telling you to flash first, and then set it up

[lucid sun]

yeah I get that.

I thought speedybee has it's own software also. And it works parallel with BF but you only update BF

I understand

but..

[lucid sun]

.

[dusk wadi]

Where it says release

Set that to release candidates

[lucid sun]

My bad, I thought show release candidates did the trick

[dusk wadi]

All good

[lucid sun]

When reading through posts like this. I felt like, these kinda things were not gonna happen to me

😛

so I can skip this now

[dusk wadi]

You can disable the accelerometer in the configuration (?) tab I think

Or just calibrate it lol

Ah but you're still on 4.3

[lucid sun]

Yeah I have to connect before flashing for backup

[lucid sun]

this is different ?

[surreal meteor]

thats different

apply custom defaults

[lucid sun]

Ok so I apply

Just to be sure😏

before the name was speedybee now its different

still f405 tho

[dusk wadi]

Huh that's weird

Eh prolly fine

[surreal meteor]

ye dw bout it

[lucid sun]

It's like im coding a UFO, this is cool

eventough I didn't coding shit

[wary anchor]

coding != programming

[lucid sun]

I know this in dutch

[dusk wadi]

Next time try setting up ardupilot

[lucid sun]

dont get me wrong, it's easy.

I assume ardupilot is a bitch?

😛

[dusk wadi]

Haven't experienced it myself but senko can tell you about it

[lucid sun]

loogi also right 😛

Addicted to ardu

[dusk wadi]

I, don't think so, ummm_yes was fighting with it the other day

[wary anchor]

heh

hehehehehe

hehehehehehehehehehe

yes.

just a bit

a tiny bit

[lucid sun]

xD

im kinda confused about ports

UART1 is my vtx UART2 is my superD receiver

[smoky brook]

Why are you turning on MSP?

[lucid sun]

UART6 GPS

[smoky brook]

MSP is not a "turn this UART on" toggle.

[surreal meteor]

your VTX also uses irc tramp not smartaudio

[lucid sun]

ah I heard you yesterday about smartaudio

[surreal meteor]

smartaudio/tramp is what i said

[surreal meteor]

gps is under sensor input

if u lookin for that

[lucid sun]

I don't have it connected yet

can I already set it up?

[surreal meteor]

ye

[lucid sun]

probably next week

[surreal meteor]

but dont if u wanna hover test it

[lucid sun]

and he said something about the ports resetting everytime, I don't really understand when they will

[lucid sun]

oke changed it to GPS, now it's all good?

[surreal meteor]

.

lol

[lucid sun]

O.o

oke:)

[surreal meteor]

idk what the default failsafe is on bf 4.4

[dusk wadi]

Eh, as long as you don't enable rth it shouldn't prevent you from arming without a lock right?

[lucid sun]

I just disabled it for now

[surreal meteor]

ye

[lucid sun]

oke so save and reboot

[surreal meteor]

aye

[surreal meteor]

happens

unplug and plug back in

[lucid sun]

again

[surreal meteor]

is the right com port selected

[lucid sun]

yes

maybe it's because of this

[smoky brook]

You cannot disable MSP on the USB interface

It's grayed out

[surreal meteor]

literally

[surreal meteor]

the fun days when it wasnt

[lucid sun]

xD

[smoky brook]

yeah...

now we just have the big yellow button that says reset settings

forgot it was only red in RC builds

[surreal meteor]

the beloved button

[lucid sun]

first it says closed serial succesfully and then this failed to open serial poret

[smoky brook]

So much beloved that I had to manually fix it lmfao

[lucid sun]

if only it said reset to betaflight settings would be better

[smoky brook]

This is what it says in new RC versions of the configurator

I know too well cuz I bloody added it

[surreal meteor]

if only it wasnt so big and conveniently placed

[surreal meteor]

idek if they took my translation

lel

[smoky brook]

yes

[surreal meteor]

hell yeah

i like reworded things a bunch of times to make it as neat as possible

[lucid sun]

you forgot the word betaflight

[smoky brook]

?

[lucid sun]

ALL settings to betaflight default

[smoky brook]

It literally does what it says. Zero

the absolute minimum config

[surreal meteor]

too long to read in a warning

its already a long warning

[lucid sun]

true

[surreal meteor]

gotta make em concise

[smoky brook]

We'll be doing a proper Betaflight Wiki/Docs re-write, I may mention it there

[lucid sun]

Im proud of you that you prevented so many people ending up with useless drones

[surreal meteor]

its not useless after that

[lucid sun]

now I need help with my error..

😛

[surreal meteor]

idk why it is failing

[smoky brook]

tried re-plugging it?

[lucid sun]

.

yeah 3 times

[smoky brook]

hngh

[lucid sun]

drivers?

[lucid sun]

how do you know if your ports are saved and reboot succesfully

because now it just says:

• Should I flash my superD receiver?

[lucid sun]

Baguette it says default protocol is V3.0.0

[lucid sun]

Ah this, but what you mean with BOTH rssi values

[lucid sun]

I can bind it by just turning it on and off 3 times fast. Then I don't need any binding phrase. Or will this give problems

[dusk wadi]

Well it's a diversity receiver so you have two rssi values, one for each receiver

[lucid sun]

Ahhhh

[dusk wadi]

Eh I'd recommend just entering the bind phrase on the webui

Imo a more reliable method

[lucid sun]

oke, I'll look into it