rail tonk idea

[vivid lichen]

That’s not an artillery piece anymore, that’s like a Rocky Mountain ranger tank

[subtle brook]

we only fight in the mountains of rift basin round these parts

you dont want a jump trick shot tank 360 no scope col in the eye?

[vivid lichen]

thats what my behemoth should be doing but instead i have some kid who would never passed a vison test with a lazgun. humans cant dominate the plains and the hills man

[wise cove]

1 and 2 directly contradict. AI that doesn't understand what the game is or how it plays is an absolutely useless to reference for balancing.

3 and 4 I directly pointed out as solutions.

[subtle brook]

yeah i didnt quite re thru the thingy that chat gpt said but i just wanted to post the ending mostly

i think lower damage but better mobility cud be a great tradeoff if the rail tank deems to be op in damage against cent and bugs

ig time will tell wont truly know until we can game some games with new units

[wise cove]

Dion can you give me an hour timeout cause I have an exceptional desire to break the rules cursing Jacob out.

[subtle brook]

you know you love it golanx you know you want to 360 no scope bugs with a rail tonka

the hover tank is quick and witty why cant the rail tank be the same way just not overly pacck a punch

they barely keep up with each other already rip

illll bring it up in dev stream soon andd hear all the boos cuz the haters cantt handle truth lawlawwlawl

[wise cove]

1 m/s speed difference. Which Hovertank needs because mobility is all it has

[subtle brook]

i dont think rail has the thrusters sadly so it cant boost into 360 no scope jumpshot

hover needs love too but rail gets all the love ouch

[wise cove]

1m/s without the thrusters, like rail tanks dont fall behind in formation if hovers don't boost. doing the convoy in survival the rail tanks don't generally fall behind because Hover tank players don't abuse the boost and the hover tankers are the first to engage the enemy they usually stop or move tangentially to the enemy while doing so which keeps them from getting too far away

[crisp spruce]

I would keep the rail where it is. It was nerved some time ago.

[vivid lichen]

my real problem with the rail tank is it just good at everything, a problem with most things in this game tbf the rail tank is just the best generic, imo tech units should have some sort of niche to them that they specialized in.

[wise cove]

https://discord.com/channels/824561906277810187/1419191226602881075 i had my own detailed thoughts on the matter.

[crisp spruce]

Rail tank is bad against infantry, aiming downwards and has a limit upside aiming angle. The re-load timing needs to be managed well too

[vivid lichen]

Fair enough I don’t really play hvh. But isn’t the reload something of every vehicle

[crisp spruce]

Yeah, but the reload time is quite long. If you are a good crab or wasp player, a rail tank has a hard time as well.

[vivid lichen]

I agree but the rockets make that so much more of an unfair matchup, it’s not that it’s the perfect unit it’s just so good at being generic if that makes sense. Wasps and crabs trade pretty favorably once you get them in location but getting them their is the hard part, especially since they don’t lose as much effectiveness since they’re ranged

Hope I’m making sense lo

Lol

[crisp spruce]

A good player can outmaneuver the rockets. They are also quite inaccurate from mid to far range. Also it is hard to kill infantry with the rockets due to a lower damage multiplier. Plus the rail is very expensive. The main issue I see is not the rail, but no alien unit, that can deal with infantry and tank units on flat ground

[subtle brook]

idk even with the AI being so accurate for the longest time the only tank ive ever feared as an alien player is the rail tank and its the only one i struggle to kill

hovers can be killed on flat ground with scorps or behes if you juke n dodged a lil bit

rails generally get decent protect but yes they can be killed with wasps although theres always more coming and alien coms hate making lessers

[vivid lichen]

But it requires far more skill to take out a rail tank than to kill the player and you might not always have a player available for the task

[crisp spruce]

yeah indeed, but that accounts also for other units. In my perspective it still makes no sense rn to make changes to the rail, because the game is not balanced out. Alien units will definitive some more work because they will probably suffer against Centauri as well.

[vivid lichen]

This is true, but it’s an answer I don’t like to use because, saying the game isn’t ready so it’s unbalanced is a very deeply unsatisfying answer and leads to the arms race of making things to stop other things where it the problem was just cut at the source we wouldn’t have to do even more mental gymnastics to figure out what could work

[subtle brook]

aliens are going to kick cents ass the heavy tank is nowhere near pack a punch as the rail and aliens absorb explosive damage better shich is mostly what cent is

the rail is impact damage only which is why its so op

its mostly just rails in groups they become the worst to deal with and if cent proves to be weak then i dont think buffing the heavy tank is the right idea we need to nerf rail

[wise cove]

The reload also takes effort to manage cause it is bugged to double punish you.

It hits much faster with the rail tank's 3 rounds

[wise cove]

Rail does penetration or impact. And it has a high penetration stat, if it doesn't penetrate it does impact.

That impact mostly with deflection.