scorpion replacement

[upbeat dragon]

For now the scorpion is just a bigger version of the shower that doesn't shock, there is a lack of difference between them imo, so I think the scorpion should have a different model just to distinguish them as sometimes scorpions can look like shockers from afar, maybe a rework or replacement, if this gets added and the scorpion stays in game then it's just a new alien type, which doesn't delete the work put into the scorpion, maybe the new alien can be a small transport unit, the stulker, capable of transporting crabs, shockers and horned crabs, my idea is that the more it carries the slower it goes, and if the commander takes risks, he can put a few more units than the suggested capacity and there is a 50% chance that the stulker will explode blowing all the aliens dozens of meters away, resulting in unit loss.
As I said before the stulker moves slower each unit you put in it, normal speed could be a slow walk, a bit faster than the defiler, each crab in it could reduce the speed by half a meter/second, a shocker 1 meter/second etc...
Maybe this uit can be put after the scorpion costing half the cost more or just replace the scorpion with the scorpion being a shocker upgrade for the next evolution stages.
Echo, just don't...

[alpine adder]

why would i put crabs on a unit that moves slower than the crab

and litteraly the only similair thing between shocker and scorpion is that they have a tail

[junior delta]

Echo doesn't need to at this point, that Idea is just bad, if I got that unit for free I still wouldn't use it.

Slower movement for crabs isn't useful by any stretch, the Crabs are supposed to be taking shots meant for bigger units. This Unit might be OK if it can Yeet Crabs like a #1106684923483541554

And the base idea that scorpion is too much like a shocker is utter nonsense.

[alpine adder]

if anything the behemoth is similair to a shocker

[junior delta]

Both hitscan with hard range limits.

Imo Behemoth and Scorpion are too close, they do the same things except behemoth has more range and Scorpions have to lead their shots.

[hollow breach]

I think the shocker and scorpion are not really similar at all, no need to replace anything.

[upbeat dragon]

I... Didn't think that through, and if the unit was faster than a crab

[alpine adder]

still wouldnt really be that usefull. you kinda want things to be shooting your crabs

[upbeat dragon]

Why, it's like a moving crab shield

[alpine adder]

the crabs are kinda the things you want to have getting shot while your other units move forward with them

[upbeat dragon]

Well, if they shoot the crabs they shoot the transport, while others advance

[alpine adder]

thats just extra money i have to spend

[upbeat dragon]

But the distraction then takes longer to kill, that's better

I still think the shock is a smaller scorpion that shocks

What if the crabapult existed and these units with the crabs were catapulted, for fall damage prevention, in the realism.

And the unit could glide and turn mid air, the crabs would fall choosing location like a battlebus.

[sour vigil]

Dude

Think more holistically and learn more about how RTS games are balanced before making suggestions. The shocker is not the same as the scorp and the fps perspective is not the most critical aspect of the game

[grave parrot]

Good thing I’ve been trapped in the woods for the past 4 days and didn’t see this sooner!

[indigo garnet]

@upbeat dragon If it becomes slower as a carrier depending on how much it carry it also defeat it's purpose as a unit carrier, if the intent with the unit is to make it as a movable shield it'll be too slow to be useful there too - especially if it is so slow that it just gets surrounded.

[upbeat dragon]

Ok then, but what about them being launched in the crabapult as impact protection (for realism as they don't have fall damage for gameplay)

[indigo garnet]

lol, crabapult

[indigo garnet]

I don't think it's good idea to say that people must know something before posting suggestions. You don't want that kind of elitism lol.

[grave parrot]

Are you arguing against educating yourself on a topic you are suggesting changes too? You’d be a terrible politician.

[indigo garnet]

I know that thinking is hard for you buddy, but no. I am arguing against that kind of elitism because if it happens you won't have a voice either.

[grave parrot]

Sure I will, I tend to know what I’m talking about.

[indigo garnet]

Sure you do.

[junior delta]

That would make him a great politician, wouldn't be great at policies though

0 taxes for everyone! What do you mean we can't have a police, military, firefighters anymore? We pay for them the way we always did

[junior delta]

Educating yourself allows you to give informed opinions. Lack of proper knowledge can lead to poor suggestions like this one, that only waste time in reading. Educating yourself leads to higher quality suggestions that are useful and add something to the game other than Bloat.

[junior delta]

So yeet a larger unit via crabapult that acts as a crab transport?

[indigo garnet]

Learn to read brother, that's not what I arguing against.

[junior delta]

Far as I can tell Citrus suggested Thunder read up and educate himself, as a way to improve his suggestions, and your stance is that Citrus is Elitist.

And me and Echo for saying the same thing

And Thunder has a Pattern of bad suggestions

[indigo garnet]

Okay, so? What's the problem with that? You are allowed to post your stuff too.

[junior delta]

Yes we are both allowed to post, but that doesn't make our posts of equal Quality. He is free to post anything he wants he is not free from the feedback he receives.

@upbeat dragon there are 2 ways I can think of to salvage this concept 1 is to convert it into a Crabapult itself, if it can throw crabs then the crabs do their job more efficiently. 2 would be to make it into a combiner unit, attach crabs for a good melee Attack boost, shockers for a ranged attack.

[indigo garnet]

The quality yes, but truth to be told neither you or Echo comes up to my level of standard when it comes to suggestions, ideas or even worldbuilding but you don't see me crying to either of you two about now do you? If you must give feedback than at least do it reasonable that's what you and Echo both fail at.

[junior delta]

As I said nobody is free from the feedback they get

[indigo garnet]

Is that why you commented about Mada in another thread?

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[junior delta]

Does this contradict something I have said? Or are you just trying to argue for its own sake? I'm tired of trading barbs that have nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

[grave parrot]

Nuh uh