Unable to transfer file using ftp/sftp/ssh

[tacit plank]

My old laptop has a problem ie I can't use kde connect, feem, scp, ftp anything to transfer files over wireless network. Earlier windows 8 was installed so I thought it was windows 8 problem but even after install installing arch it's not working.

Only way I m able to transfer is using usb stick. So is this wifi card problem? BTW internet is working through wifi.

[idle cipher]

most likely a user misunderstanding issue

have you used arch before?

[tacit plank]

I even tried debian too but still it's not working. Not able to share any files from or to it through wireless networks. Only through wired networks like usb sticks

[tacit plank]

I have installed arch because it's easy to install packages as aur is pretty big and useful and it's minimalist (more like custom) so it's very lightweight which is better as laptop is old and slow

Internet through wifi is working properly though

Problem is with sharing files

[idle cipher]

cool, do expect more of a learning curve with arch though. So a few things.

1. What have you tried? I recommend seeing #📄・posting-guidelines too
2. kde is not that lightweight :P
3. A wired network isn't typically a USB stick, are you using a 'wifi' device connected to your computers USB port?
4. See 1. in specific

[tacit plank]

1. I tried different distros like debian and even windows too
2. I use xfce. Kde connect is name of one of app I used
3. Ik but copying files to usb pendrive and then copy back to another machine don't require wireless network

[idle cipher]

Is trying different distros the only thing you have tried to solve this issue? No other steps to investigate further on only one system/distro?

Usually thats the very very last thing Id try

[digital root]

Have you tried to connect your computer through Ethernet instead of WiFi? That will tell you straight if your computer has a working wifi card

[tacit plank]

Ya ethernet working so is the wifi

[digital root]

Which distro are you currently using? Ubuntu is well known for having WiFi issues

[tacit plank]

Problem is I can't send files through it

[tacit plank]

Rn I m using arch

[digital root]

Send files through what? If you don’t have internet connectivity, you for sure can’t send anything through WWW

[tacit plank]

Send files through LAN I mean

[digital root]

I never used Arch so idk.

[tacit plank]

Internet is working though so ya i can send files through internet

[digital root]

What else did you tried aside what you mentioned here?

[digital root]

So maybe you’re using scp (or any kind of protocol) wrongly.

[hasty sorrel]

Seems like a classic case of a XY problem

Wifi is not working but actually is. The problem was that you are unable to send file to another computing locally. Those are way different issue.

[digital root]

I recommend working throughout this website https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-use-scp-command-to-securely-transfer-files/
If you have connectivity (and valid ssh key), you should be able to transfer files/folder using scp

[hasty sorrel]

You could also try running a ftp server and send file through that or, if you want to use ssh, you can connect to your computer using sftp.

[digital root]

^this will also depend of you knowledge and your understanding of Linux systems.

[tacit plank]

Ya i m able to connect through ssh

[digital root]

So, your issue is the way you’re using the scp command then.

[tacit plank]

Well kde connect and feem which I tried before use tls protocol

[digital root]

I would recommend learning about it. Doing so will probably solve your problem

[tacit plank]

Which is also not working

Only thing working is http

[digital root]

Well, you can use whatever you want. You aren’t stuck to one protocol lol

Also, like I mentioned it will depend of how you are “trying”. The problem could come from yourself and your ability to use file transfer protocols.

If you have connectivity and you said you have a valid ssh key. Then going through the website I sent you should work

[hasty sorrel]

Then try connecting through sftp with a ftp client or even you file system and it should be ketchup

[digital root]

If you are to lazy to read the website, just try this:

scp file.txt [email protected]:/remote/directory

Just change the file.txt with the file you wanna send, and you own ssh and directory

To back up what Malassi mentioned. Here is a link that will help you using sftp https://www.hostinger.com/tutorials/how-to-use-sftp-to-safely-transfer-files/

If after all that, you still aren’t able to make it work, I would recommend take a step back, slow down and learn about Linux, file transfer, and remote connection/transfer protocols.

Don’t try to run before knowing how to walk!

[hasty sorrel]

Unable to transfer file using ftp/sftp/ssh

[tacit plank]

I already mentioned that i tried scp. I used this but nothing got transferred

[digital root]

Used Malassi solution then

[hasty sorrel]

Did you get any error?

[tacit plank]

Http is working though but it's not secure

Sftp I didn't tried

[digital root]

Try it then

[hasty sorrel]

The command provided by Astra (scp file.txt [email protected]:/remote/director) is a transfer from client to a host. This means that 10.0.0.2 is the ip address of the computer that has a ssh server open aka the host. Additionally, remote_username must be a valid user on your computer.

[tacit plank]

Ya ik. Thks for mentioning though.

[hasty sorrel]

Are you sure that you entered the right information and that ssh connection is possible?

[digital root]

Yeah, if you blindly copy and paste what I sent you, that’s definitely not going to work lol

[tacit plank]

Ya i already installed apps in that system through ssh

[tacit plank]

Lol why would I do that 😂

[digital root]

Make sure your username and host address is correct then.

[digital root]

That wouldn’t surprised me lol

[hasty sorrel]

Install app through ssh?

[digital root]

Probably meant, he ssh into a remote location and installed something while being remotely connected to the system

[digital root]

At least, I hope that what he meant lol

[hasty sorrel]

Sure but was the remote location the other computer he wants to connect too

Just to make sure I understand your goal properly Harsh. You have 2 computer on your local network, Computer A (CA) and Computer B (CB), and you want to transfer file from one to the other right?

[tacit plank]

Ya

[hasty sorrel]

Have you been able to connect from Computer A to Computer B through ssh?

[tacit plank]

I mean typing commands in terminal from another system

[hasty sorrel]

I mean, just doing from computer_a ssh computer_b@computer_b_ip_addr

In this case, computer_b is the host and thus as a ssh server running

[digital root]

You know, to make it work you need to have both machines running right? If you are trying to send something remotely to a turned off computer, that will not work

[hasty sorrel]

Here's an example, I connected from my work computer (win11) to my personal desktop (ubuntu) running a ssh server.

If you're not sure if ssh is running, try sudo service ssh status. Example of the running service in the image bellow.

You might have to install openssh. Not all distribution comes with it pre-installed and running.

[tacit plank]

Lol ofc Ik that😂

[tacit plank]

It is working but speed is like less than 10kbps

[hasty sorrel]

FYI, You don't have to hide your IP in thise case. Those are your local IPs. We can't do anything with it unless we are on your network.

[digital root]

Well, that’s your service provider issue then, nothing we can do about it

[tacit plank]

Lol what? I m not using internet to transfer

And my speed of internet is not that low even

[hasty sorrel]

10.0.0.XXX, 172.16.0.XXX and 192.168.XXX.XXX are reserved private IPV4 address.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network

[tacit plank]

Ik it's my habit

[digital root]

You still need a router/switches to ssh into your remote device.

[tacit plank]

Ya but that thing uses network not internet means LAN but WLAN

[digital root]

LAN still need an private ip address, which is provided still by your service provider (through you router and switch)

[hasty sorrel]

Sadly, part of the issue is the encryption. If slows down transfer.

[tacit plank]

Oh

[digital root]

If you don’t have router and switches you don’t have ip address (public nor private)

[hasty sorrel]

No it's provided by the router

[digital root]

That’s what I said

[tacit plank]

Lol but 10kbps

[digital root]

Which is provided by your ISP

[hasty sorrel]

If by service provider you're talking about the ISP (internet provider), you don't need any. The local routing is locally handled by the router or the switch but you don't need an internet connection or ISP.

[tacit plank]

Well I tried using phone hotspot too but no luck

[tacit plank]

Thank god they could spy on me by sending someone close to my area and using ssh on me lol

[digital root]

Yeah that’s right lol

[hasty sorrel]

Nah they couldn't. They would still need to have access to your network first. Hopefully, you have a good possword on your router

Then, they would need the credential of your computer running ssh on it.

If course, that's unless you decide to publicly open the port on your router. Then, they could try to connect from outside your network by using your public ip

[tacit plank]

Ik just kidding. BTW another reason to have wifi password is to secure our devices too rather than getting our bandwidth stolen

[hasty sorrel]

Indeed, that's definitely one good reason and the main reason for most people. There's very few people hosting stuff on their network

[tacit plank]

Ya but my router is subscription based so I don't own it and port opening to wlan is not supported

[digital root]

You don’t have to used your ISP router. I personally bought my own router and configured it myself.

[tacit plank]

But ya this is not the only reason. My isp blocks port forwarding

Bcz even when using hotspot I can't use public IP to connect through ssh

[digital root]

I bought a UniFi router, like this in full controls over my network (but you need network knowledge, because nobody will set it up for you).

[tacit plank]

Oh but if isp blocks port forwarding then u can't connect through ssh when u go outside of your house

Only through nginx I think it's possible

[digital root]

That depend if you allow remote connectivity outside your network (I’ve control of that, and I’ve disabled it).

[tacit plank]

But that won't give root privilege or file system control and would only read only

[digital root]

My ISP doesn’t have control on my router, I do. My ISP is doing what it is for, providing me public IP addresses. I could have use their router and then they will have control over it, but because I ought my own router and configured it myself, I’m the one in control of it. The only control I don’t have is the number of available IP address I’ve access to.

[tacit plank]

Nice but I live in India and we have so many sites block anyway and we have many restrictions

Even GitHub is partly blocked

[digital root]

India or not I think you can buy your own ISP. I also blocked many countries like China, India, Russia, Ukraine, etc

[tacit plank]

In cryptography private key is to be secured but in network public ip is more important to hide than private IP lol

[digital root]

By the way! How did you solve your issue? What did you change to make it work? You never told us

[tacit plank]

Buy own ISP how

[digital root]

I mean router sorry lol

[tacit plank]

Well I didn't use sftp before rest is not working so issue isn't solved

[digital root]

It looks like you were able to transfer tho

[tacit plank]

Will u wanna have 10kbps speed of file transfer?

[digital root]

Looks like it’s working here

[tacit plank]

If total file size is in 100s of GBs

[digital root]

Well, that’s not a protocol issue then, just a speed issue

[tacit plank]

See carefully at bottom right. Speed is just too low

[tacit plank]

But http speed is 2mbps

[digital root]

So, this all time your issue was a speed issue and not protocol issue

[tacit plank]

Idk much about it I m telling what I tried. And tls protocol isn't working too which has highest speed

[digital root]

Having slow speed doesn’t mean it doesn’t work!

It work, just slowly

[hasty sorrel]

That's SFTP for ya. It's generally slower than ftp due to encryption and ssh protocol limit.

[tacit plank]

10kbps is literally nothing for transferring 100s of GBs

[digital root]

You started by saying that it was a WiFi issue, then a protocol, but it is actually a speed issue.

[digital root]

Sure, but doesn’t mean transfer isn’t working. To solve a problem, you need to be clear in stating what the problem is.

[tacit plank]

How to fix it

[digital root]

That, idk I would need to make research. You should start by googling now that you know what your “problem” is.

[digital root]

Like Malassi mentioned here, that’s generally slow to used those protocols due to encryptions.

I believe, it also has to do with your machine capabilities. Don’t quote me on that, I didn’t research. Just looking through my brain now

If you have two slow ass machine, sending files through it will definitely be slow too.

[tacit plank]

Na. Earlier I was using sftp to transfer files between new laptop and old laptop.

Now I m using sftp to transfer files between mobile and new laptop and check it's speed now

[tacit plank]

4 mbps means sftp ain't that slow

[digital root]

A solution I’ve too. Why don’t you use the cloud to transfer your files? At least, in your case it will be easier and faster.

[tacit plank]

I have FUP limit of 200GB/month and if use it transfer 100s of GBs then I will be doomed

[digital root]

Uhm, I see. I’ve unlimited and TB of cloud storage.

[tacit plank]

Wow which cloud provider?

[digital root]

Apple

[tacit plank]

What's the subscription rate?

I mean how much you have to pay monthly?

[digital root]

It come with a package with all Apple services (music, fitness, cloud, etc).

[tacit plank]

Oh so it is one time payment or subscription rate

[digital root]

But individual it is $9/month for 2 TB

[tacit plank]

Not bad

Bcz apple services are costly

[digital root]

Rs 749 for India

[tacit plank]

Can non apple device use it?

[digital root]

Not more than anything else. The hardware is a little pricy but not the services.

[digital root]

Idk, all my devices are Apple

[tacit plank]

That's my internet bill/month

[digital root]

Yeah, it’s always cheaper in the US than anywhere else in the world.

[tacit plank]

Really. So u don't play any games?

[digital root]

I’ve a windows pc for gaming but I don’t really play game. Nor use the computer

[digital root]

This is what I have https://www.apple.com/apple-one/

[tacit plank]

Hmm google has also changed its name to Google one

Which service is best according to you

[digital root]

According to me, Apple all the way. I used to be android user for most of my life and then switch to Apple and never looked back

[tough glen]

Damn 150+ message. U guys seem nice helpers

[tacit plank]

Ya these guys do help and they r nice

[digital root]

The conversation a little moved on the few last comment tho. I guess we are done here now.

[tough glen]

Bruh. Apple is no saint and like google it does track you and get your data

[hasty sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-news-news-flash-report-gif-8607328

[digital root]

Like every companies lol

[tough glen]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1-iZxNFMmQo

Android phone is better. U can at least root it or degoogle it. Apple is just anti consumer. It even don't allow sideloading

No headphone jack, no expandable storage

[digital root]

The eternal battle between Apple and android user. Use what is good for you, I’m using what is good for me. End of the story

[digital root]

That’s because we are in 2024, who’s using headphones with jack connector nowadays lol

Expandable storage, we all have cloud storage now.

People gotta learn to live with their time and embrace advancement in technology

[tough glen]

They r cheap and wifi drains more battery plus there is no lag in wired ones.

It is their marketing practice for increasing their airpod sale

[hasty sorrel]

This is not related to this thread, if you want to discuss that use another channel

[tough glen]

Yea I win😎

[hasty sorrel]

Win? Win what? The only thing you won a warning that what you're taking about is unrelated to this thread and doesn't belong here

[tough glen]

Whatever diddle your skiddle

[idle cipher]

use a VPN, mullvad is nice imo

[tacit plank]

Ya ik but it's not free😢

[lavish hill]

Problem is probably Linux firewall not KDE 😄

[tacit plank]

I have tried windows too still that error and firewall blocks it. It is slow that's the problem. It is old laptop though. Like 10 years old

[lavish hill]

slow? 10 years old? 😂

anything that "recent" is fast.

especially on Linux or Windows XP / Windows 7

It's only slow once you use Windows 10/11 bloatware

[tacit plank]

I mean file transfer speed through wireless network is slow not in usage. With arch xfce it's very fast

[lavish hill]

It should NOT be different in KDE, just use SSH / SFTP or SAMBA / CIFS

[tacit plank]

I meant kde connect not kde as DE

[lavish hill]

Never used KDE connect 😂

I just use the shell bro as in BASH

I mean the last time I have used like Linux GUI was like CentOS with Gnome

but I have used KDE and XFCE in the past, like back in University... 😂 🏫

[tacit plank]

Gnome is heavy for my pc

[lavish hill]

🤨

I have used Gnome with 4 GiB of RAM + Eclipse + Tomcat + MySQL + PostgreSQL + Vmware

[tacit plank]

Well my pc hangs literally when using gnome

[tacit plank]

Hdd or ssd?

[lavish hill]

HDD like pre-historic hardware

[tacit plank]

Strange but with gnome I can't open that many applications like I can do in xfce

[lavish hill]

I do not know, maybe the latest Gnome is bloatware, who knows

[tacit plank]

When u used gnome last time

[lavish hill]

many many years ago 😂

[tacit plank]

I used it 2 years ago

[tough glen]

Skill issue

[tacit plank]

What?

[tough glen]

Lol jk

[tough glen]

U millenial or boomer?

[hasty sorrel]

Nah, it works fine for me

I usually do all my local transfer via sftp and it works great

[tacit plank]

Ya speed is good actually. Problem is with my device

[tacit plank]

@hasty sorrel

[hasty sorrel]

Yep I saw, I was mainly answering FD26

[tacit plank]

Ohk

[tough glen]

Is he 40+?

[digital root]

Some of use are 30+

[tough glen]

Wbu?

[digital root]

I am part of the 30+ yes

Anyway. Let’s not drift from the main topic again

[hasty sorrel]

Please move to #☕・hangout