Christian Patches

[bronze matrix]

yes

[tender jay]

Real

[upbeat frost]

Cringe

[glad arch]

Ok goy

[upbeat frost]

Okay, but I literally am a goy, because I'm not Jewish.

Even then, it doesn't make this any less cringe.

Especially since DEVGRU Gold Squad patch is already in the game.

[glad arch]

Yea but in a Tier-1 larping game I think a little room can be made for an Orthodox patch

[glad arch]

Do you say cringe for the christian aspect or cus these patches are often on Russian soldiers kit?

[upbeat frost]

Yes.

1. I have a grudge against Christianity, but I admit the Orthodox churches are cool.
2. Fuck the Moskali. There is no meme. If it wasn't for the Muscovites, I would not be racist.

[glad arch]

I hear you, it is a very common feeling people have, I grew up in a Catholic school my whole life so i was very very off put it wasn't until I looked into it on my own so I dont want to bible beat you, why the grudge?

[upbeat frost]

Look, I'm not gonna waste time on details. Suffice it to say, things were over-promised and under-delivered. Combine that with some good ol scare tactics, and I don't have too fond a memory of all the Christian youth shit I did growing up.

[glad arch]

Yep I was not catholic in a southern catholic school/community, I was told i'd go to hell cus i wasn't catholic but if not that other things would get me. Of course thats just the people and a gross misinterpretation of the gospel but at a young age its hard to tell that vs reality. I will you pray for you and that you find Christ at some point in your life, if you ever want to hear the story of Jesus just hmu. Have a good day bro

[upbeat frost]

I'm good, thanks. I've found peace in my gods.

I appreciate the gesture, though.

[upbeat steppe]

On board with it

[grand anchor]

bump

[celest yew]

I'm very strongly atheistic but ts could go hard

[sharp field]

bump again, please add this

i'm a devout orthodox christian and i think this would be a really cool thing to add

[flint kettle]

Bro this would def look good with mulitcam, and would bring out the christian community in the game aswell (not tryna force)

[tough idol]

I am Christian but I'm not Orthodox I'd like to have a few Christian patches since there isn't many ingame rn

[acoustic ember]

then js stfu bro no reason to hate on a religion that you have a grudge on

[upbeat frost]

That's literally one of the best reasons

Goofy fuck

[sharp field]

it speaks volumes about your character that you think hating on christians in a video game discord is a good use of your time

leave us alone

[upbeat frost]

I dropped the issue, you brought back up. Quit making yourself a victim

[sharp field]

"i dropped the issue"

[sharp field]

whats this then 💔

your best move would've been just not responding

[upbeat frost]

Me replying to you

[sharp field]

i didn't send that message??

azt3c did

[upbeat frost]

Ah

Goes to show how much I don't fucking care

Now if you'll fucking excuse me, I was doing much more important shit

[acoustic ember]

Sure you were

[upbeat frost]

Indeed I was.

[dull nexus]

Yesss add this please 🙏

[boreal citrus]

And tattoos

[sharp field]

^

christian tattoos too would be really cool

i have apex predator so i just use the old school tattoos but having christian tattoos would be even better

[glad arch]

An immaculate conception sleeve would be perf🙏

[sharp field]

im orthodox but i agree

i'd wear catholic tats 100%

[glad arch]

hell yea massive respect to orthodox. I personally am not but I love to learn about it.

[pine imp]

the fuck u have against christianity?

the fuck did Jesus do to you?

calm ur nipples

[upbeat frost]

Nope, not doing this shit again

[pine imp]

well shit judging by how u act, what ur bio and pfp is, i think u need to slow down on the meth

[upbeat frost]

@wet summit Just stating for the record I'm not touching this shit with a 40 foot pole

[pine imp]

who?

me or his pfp, if its his pfp we can agree on atleast 1 thing.

[wet summit]

Be nice

[faint wyvern]

You should tell your priest that and see what he thinks. There’s a reason we burn catholic icons

[sharp field]

it's a game dude

i don't have catholic tats irl, in fact i don't have any tats

[faint wyvern]

Again, tell your priest

[sharp field]

and i don't know what backwater hellhole you come from but

i appreciate that the catholic institutions themselves like the jesuits don't like us

[faint wyvern]

What a very Christian reaction to someone saying to talk to your priest

[sharp field]

and martyrs like St. Peter the Aleut, St. Dositej of Zagreb and even the sack of Constantinople can attest to their hatred of us

[sharp field]

you know damn well i'm talking about the burning catholic icons bit

drop the ragebait

[faint wyvern]

It’s literally in the church canons to burn catholic iconography

[sharp field]

where

show me

all i'm saying is that i don't care if it's an our lady of guadalupe tattoo or just a latin cross

i'd wear either one as a symbol of my Lord and my Blessed Mother

for the purposes of a game

[faint wyvern]

Council of Laodicea establishes the burning of heretical items. Catholic iconography is heretical

[sharp field]

so it doesn't say burn catholic iconography

[faint wyvern]

That’s explicitly catholic iconography using western depictions of Christ and His mother

[sharp field]

two points to make here

1. you'd actually burn an icon of the Lord?

[faint wyvern]

Catholic iconography when it strays from the canonical practice of icon writing is heretical and thus subject to burial or burning

[faint wyvern]

That’s the canonical way of disposing of holy items and depictions of holy things so yes

[sharp field]

like most churches have different styles of iconography, i'm not defending catholicism here but burning icons of Christ seems a little bit too far

look at the differences between Russian icons and Greek icons

entirely different style

[faint wyvern]

They’re heretical. They may claim to depict Christ and His mother but in reality they’re perversions of such

[sharp field]

how so

[faint wyvern]

Correct. Neither are heretical. That’s the difference

[sharp field]

they might be heretical but defiling an icon of Christ is even worse

do you not think that even if the church they represent is heretical, that defiling Christ's image is a sin in itself?

or the Blessed Virgin's image?

[faint wyvern]

1. There’s an established canonical icon writing process which catholics don’t follow.

2. The ways in which Christ, the Theotokos, and the saints are depicted is also specific.

3. Catholics allow depictions of the Father and the Holy Spirit, which is heretical as of Nicaea 2

[sharp field]

in response to #3, i said nothing about icons to the Father and Holy Spirit

i agree with destroying those because they are absolutely heretical

[faint wyvern]

Defiling Christ’s image like… falsely depicting Him? Go ask your priest what the standard way of disposing of holy items and depictions is. It’s burning and laying the ash in a place it wont be stepped on or it’s burial

Burning icons has been done reverently and fully within the church’s teaching for millenia

[sharp field]

maybe you're right

i see your point

you're a dick though, i was talking about wearing in game tattoos and you came at me for it

i'll pray for you but please don't come at me for it again

[faint wyvern]

I mean… we don’t associate with Catholics for many, many reasons. And our spirituality falls into everything we do

[faint wyvern]

From the advice of my own priest, fake or not, we don’t dwell in the spirituality of heretics

[sharp field]

you missed my original point - i said i'd wear them if there was no other option. not "theyre my first choice"

[glad arch]

Arguing in a discord suggestion about patches of all things is so low IQ, put both of your faiths aside, this game is centralized around being a nerd and roleplaying tier one operators, this game specifically focuses on US special operations and they are historically known for being huge christians, wearing poacthes saying prayers, and yes even the TATTOOS

I understand tattoos are looked down upon in christianity especially catholism, however tier one operators sure as shit have them you cannot argue that.

[faint wyvern]

Chat, I don’t think this guy knows the history of why US SOF uses Christian imagery

[sharp field]

you appear to be missing the context here

[faint wyvern]

Also I think you completely missed what our conversation was even about

[sharp field]

our point wasn't about the legality of tattoos in christian law

[glad arch]

yea i skimmed ita bit im just tired of retarded going back and forth I just wanted to get a fucking byzantine patch maybe a little cross

[sharp field]

we want that too

our conversation was about something entirely different though

[glad arch]

word, i just saw a comment abt talkling to a priest abt tattoos

[sharp field]

but look

i apologise for being retarded

i see your point

[glad arch]

bet my b, carry on just be civil. God bless

[sharp field]

i'll ask my father after liturgy next sunday

still, i'd appreciate you not being rash with me about a video game

[faint wyvern]

Good deal. Our church just bought 11 acres and a house me and friends are gonna be living in. Has a burn pit at the side of the house and our priest actually said we’d use it to burn holy items

[sharp field]

such as?

[faint wyvern]

Honestly, not too sure. He specifically said items from the altar. I’m not really familiar with what those would be

[sharp field]

the hell would you be burning off an altar?

[faint wyvern]

But he has also went and burned things like catholic icons that someone left at the church

[sharp field]

chat are we burning the liturgical items now

burning the aer is absolute crazy work

[faint wyvern]

My guess would maybe be the eucharistic seal? Again, idk

[sharp field]

rhetorical question

i know you dont know

[faint wyvern]

Another thing you could ask your priest if you’re interested

[sharp field]

his english is terrible so i'll have to keep it simple

but go for it

[faint wyvern]

We actually did talk about burning catholic icons in that pit too lol

Keeps getting brought up after a lady left some at the church and our priest burned them

[sharp field]

i go to a serbian parish so the entire liturgy is in serbian and all of the parishioners and clergy are serbs

my priest moved here from knin back in august

he was teaching at a seminary in knin

[sharp field]

but why 💔

why even bother bringing catholic icons

if she can see that theyre disappearing every week

[faint wyvern]

My priest’s from Palestine but he’s lived in the US for 18 years so there’s no issue with communication. Liturgy’s full english too

[sharp field]

what tradition?

[faint wyvern]

Nah I think her husband passed away and she brought his icons to the church not realizing what they were

[faint wyvern]

Antiochian

[sharp field]

i figured

very nice

do you have liturgies in arabic too then?

or just the one in english

[faint wyvern]

Just english. Occasionally during vespers we’ll have short stints of arabic. Idk how or when they choose to use it

[sharp field]

ah

thankfully i speak a bit of russian so the serbian hasnt been too steep of a learning curve

most of the service is lost on me but

i can understand probably 30-35% of it

[faint wyvern]

I’d like to learn the most popular liturgical languages. Greek, russian/slavonic, and arabic specifically

[sharp field]

although weirdly we have one sentence in church slavonic writing on the wall in our church

the first line of the cherubic hymn yk

holy holy holy Lord of Sabaoth, heaven and earth are filled with your glory

let me see if i have a picture on my phone

its not on this one

oops

nevermind

you can see a tiny bit of it at the very top of the picture

[faint wyvern]

I’ve only ever been to 1 slavic church and unfortunately I couldn’t stay for liturgy. Went to confession, stayed for first 5 minutes of liturgy, and had to leave

[sharp field]

i have a few more pictures in my phone of my church

1 second

[faint wyvern]

This is the slavic church

[sharp field]

i took them all on my very first visit to the church many moons ago

its still identical now

[faint wyvern]

This is my home parish. Took the pic last sunday cuz I like the Lenten church decor

[sharp field]

blurred out the doorway because my dad and younger brother are in the shot

[faint wyvern]

That’s nice. With the mew church beginning construction soon hopefully we’ll have painted iconography on the walls

[sharp field]

God willing you will do

[faint wyvern]

Current parish location is a former Protestant church and was chosen to be temporary

[sharp field]

can see that from the construction, are you planning on having dome(s) added or is it still a temporary fixture?

[faint wyvern]

Nah that location’s staying as is. The church being built from the ground up will be the normal Orthodox temple architecture

[sharp field]

makes sense

i'm seeking a career in the diaconate at the minute

my priest actually approached me about it

asked me, once i've finished my other studies (training to become an engineer atm), to become a deacon

[faint wyvern]

That’s nice. With me and friends soon to be living a 2 minute walk from the church things like that will probably begin happening with us

[sharp field]

i never even thought it would have been possible for me until he came to me about it

God opens doors for us truly

at the risk of sounding cliché, God provides us what we need when we need it

[faint wyvern]

We’re all going to St Anthony’s monastery after Pascha and speaking with Abbot Paisios and such

[sharp field]

lucky you

i'm from england so we have the monastery of St. John the Baptist

[faint wyvern]

We weren’t given our metropolitan and bishop’s blessing to confess to the monks there though due to differences in enforcement of the canons

But our priest is planning to go with us so it shouldn’t be an issue

[sharp field]

sorry, the automod timed me out

[sharp field]

ah i see

[sharp field]

famous for being the home of St. Sophrony

a group of guys i know are planning on going this week

[faint wyvern]

Oh nice. I’m guessing his relics are kept there?

[sharp field]

never been so can't confirm, but most likely yes

[faint wyvern]

I know Elder Ephraim isn’t canonized yet but… we’ll definitely be venerating his relics at St Anthony’s

All the monasteries opened by Elder Ephraim refer to him as St. Ephraim. Even sell icons of him with a halo

[sharp field]

didn't realise that was permitted

do they have blessing to be doing that?

[faint wyvern]

Definitely. I think it’s really undeniable that Elder Ephraim is a saint

[sharp field]

referring to him as a saint before he's been canonised is understandable because of his contributions and piety but... interesting nonetheless

[faint wyvern]

I do venerate Fr Seraphim Rose to a point. Friends met someone with a prayer rope of his and apparently it becomes fragrant every year near the time of his repose

And ROCOR has started the canonization investigation for him

[sharp field]

i suppose we all have that one example

for me i personally venerate the martyr Yevgeny Rodionov

beheaded by chechen militants on his 19th birthday for refusing to convert to islam

[faint wyvern]

Well he’s a canonized saint so that’s different

[sharp field]

he was pushed for canonisation but the russian synod blocked it

he's only canonised in folk traditions

if you look it up he's listed as a martyr but not a saint

[faint wyvern]

Oh I didn’t know that

[sharp field]

the russian synod refused to canonise him because the details around his death "weren't clear enough"

[faint wyvern]

That’s fair ig. Without assurance of his martyrdom being as said that’s understandable

[sharp field]

and they refused to recognise him as a New Martyr because he was killed in 1999 and the period of New Martyrs ended in 1991

[sharp field]

we know for 100% certain that he was beheaded and killed for his faith, because the chechens came out and admitted what happened and his mother went to chechnya and personally recovered his body

headless, mind you

[faint wyvern]

Hm

[sharp field]

which is why i don't understand why it was blocked

[faint wyvern]

Yeah the new martyr title at the latest was under the soviets

[sharp field]

the only actual unclear bits are the direct details of what happened to him during his detention by the chechens

we know he was most likely tortured for days because of what we know from several surviving russian POWs

but what actually happened during his captivity is the only real unknown

people like to attribute a quote to him

"the cross around my neck will only fall with my head"

personally, i like that quote, but whether or not he actually said it we'll obviously never know

[faint wyvern]

Yea

[dull grotto]

Based on the last few messages this request went in a different direction. I think its funny, maybe its for the religious maybe it isnt, but arent we all out here doing the lords work? haha seems only right to add these

[tough idol]

tbh idk why people wouldnt want to have some sort of patches like these

much less hate on a religion

[short osprey]

i can try to make a mod if you want !

[glad arch]

bro that would be amazing, orthodox flag if anything:) thank you in advance!!!

[short osprey]

Aight i will make a christian and orthodox

[glad arch]

bettt, i'll make sure to tell and recommend to the fellas

[short osprey]

aight i will realese it on nexus mod !

[short osprey]

Okay So little problem for me

my nexus mod doesnt want me to publish any mod

soooo

1. Extract ZIP to OPERATOR\OPERATOR_Data\StreamingAssets\aa\StandaloneWindows64\
2. REPLACE files (say yes on pop-up)
3. Launch Lone Wolf mode or Host a Game > Locker > select USA/Waterboarding patches.

[glad arch]

PEAK. ill shout it from the rooftops till nexus starts working, thank you man

[short osprey]

No problem men

[humble warren]

Jerusalem cross looks cool.👌

[tough idol]

tbh this is one of my favorite cross variations

[sharp field]

bump

[frail sand]

We need these too

[strange spindle]

Catholic patches specifically are an untapped gold mine.

[tough idol]

idk if I have seen very many I've just seen what ik are either universal-ish or at least just Orthodox

regardless since I'm christian anyway I would run a patch showing that 99% of the time unless I was doing something specific or just don't want to use any tbh

[vale mulch]

What a dumb take

[upbeat frost]

Cool. This conversation is done. Drop it.

[vale mulch]

Or what

Dont tell me what to do

[upbeat frost]

Gunther's already gotten involved with this twice, take it up with him, I'm done having this conversation so drop it.

[vale mulch]

Like I said

Dont tell me what to do

[upbeat frost]

He will.

[vale mulch]

Don't tell me what to do

Hating on christianity is like hating an entire race because some people did you wrong

It's stupid

[upbeat frost]

Y'know what? Genuinely valid point.

[serene raven]

why did this get deleted

reminds me of the time there was a pic of a US operator w a christian patch on his helmet that got a bunch of backlash

[sweet temple]

christ is king

[vale mulch]

It's because christ is real

If christ wasn't real then people wouldn't be that angry about something they don't believe in

[glad arch]

Deleted because I am tired of seeing this rebooted just to shit on one person. Plus a modder made a christian patch and Devs arent adding one so

[serene raven]

damn

[upbeat frost]

Thanks, homie

Sorry about the beef.

[ebon escarp]

crusade patch would be dope icl
or a deus vault one

[strange spindle]

Some possibilities Mr. Devguy

[serene raven]

js use the gold squadron crusader patch

[vale mulch]

wdym

thats just DEVGRU

js add crusader

[serene raven]

yeah no shit, but it looks like them

[vale mulch]

no it doesn't

also what a bad argument

there are a lot of patches in the world that look a little bit like eachother

[vale mulch]

can easily tell thats devgru

idk if ur blind or what

Anyone who isn't legally blind could tell

A cross is a shape

[tough idol]

the reason why people even want more christian patches is literally because we don't want just a cross or devgru patches alone

mods might help but not everyone wants to install a mod to use a patch it doesn't do anything other than be one of the most minimal of cosmetics anyway

[tough idol]

you'd have to be completely colorblind or something lol

[vale mulch]

i'm saying 😭

[tough idol]

tbh I would probably install a few mods for patches I already do with gb I just rarely use any in operator because there isnt very many to choose from and gb is better with patches imo

[tough idol]

to be fair though they do look similar if all you want is a cross patch

[vale mulch]

Different cross shape and christian symbols on it