Aggressive Playstyles

[dull adder]

I know this is a tacticool shooter, but the AI is kinda overtuned against fast-paced, aggressive playstyles. And before anyone says "muh Call of Duty", consider this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYuUMpzPJyo

There is a time and a place for speed and aggression. Not being able to run without getting lasered by a scrub AI the moment you touch a door handle makes that time and place nonexistent.

Maybe it could be an opponent thing, where lesser trained insurgent scrubs are caught more off-guard by the high aggression and get flustered, miss more, or are straight up too confused to react for a second or two.
A more dangerous opponent like the Spetsnaz in those two Ukrainian levels could be more prepared for imminent action.

Could also be a timing thing, where after contact starts, a timer is set that increases the rest of the AI's readiness the longer the operation continues, simulating them getting their bearings. Could be a mix of both. AI is hard shit though so this may just be a pipe dream.

[dull adder]

Ye I saw that I just didnt know which direction it was going to fix towards

[eager notch]

Don’t ever compare us to a delta force operator 💀

[dull adder]

I mean what kind of Operator do you think this game is about? We arent connecting phone lines on switchboards

[uncut idol]

honestly i agree with this, even tho I might be a slow person, whenever i wanna go fast with a shotgun, def would love this

[eager notch]

Yeah in the game doesn’t mean your a delta operator your gonna get fucked running around like a headless chicken

Also those delta guys train on 1 mission with the exact layout with the same guys with every expectation of what’s going to happen for months or even a year lmao

I always tell people the best cqb to follow is infantry and rangers because rangers bang every room and clear perfect and infantry clears more realistically in a way that won’t get you smoked

[dull adder]

Do you play Spiderman games so you can play as an NYC pedestrian or do you want to play as fuckin Spiderman?

Like of course im not a Delta Operator, if I could do the shit they do, I would be doing that instead

[eager notch]

When you play a game where you can die because you aren’t a fucking delta operator and don’t have 5 guys behind you constantly covering every angle and opening

I promise if you play like infantry you will have more successful clears

Lmao

If we had hand breaches it would make more sense but we don’t

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast

Even delta operators don’t run in full sprint half of the time in cqb you just found an exception because they had a HVT with a guy who would execute the HVT if they didn’t move

[dull adder]

Im fine with that, but notice how they dont get waxed instantaneously at the moment of contact by some random bumass dude in a flannel who knows who they are and where they are coming from, and has been preparing for this day like it was a prophecy foretold by his ancestors and passed down his family line

[dull adder]

I literally even address this in my post, it would be cool if they had multiple styles of approach that were valid dependent on the situation

[eager notch]

Idk about you but I’m smoking the door the second it moves when I hear 60 gunshots and 4 guys running at my house

Do you think that Taliban and terrorist are just brain dead idiots who are missing a chromosome 💀

They should be shooting through the door lmao we’re lucky it’s just when we open it

[dull adder]

I am begging you to reread my post where I mention both this point and the point about it not working all the time depending on enemy

[eager notch]

It doesn’t work on like anyone lmao

The rangers overseas who raided that house has 6 casualties

Delta guys stopped running in because they kept dying over and over

[dull adder]

Thank you for your insights john delta force

[eager notch]

It would make sense if we snuck up from the two on foot entries and blew the shit out of the door but then the whole house is alerted. The first shot they hear they should react how they are now

Also if you hear your door get kicked in and shots ring off are you gonna just sit there like a tard

[dull adder]

Realistically you probably would to if you werent anticipating combat to happen at any point in the next 30 seconds. Concentration falters, all the time

Youd gather yourself sure, but that first 3-4 seconds is the tard zone

[eager notch]

Maybe if I was the first one shot there is a whole building of clearly armed people waiting to get raided

It’s a terrorist cell not a break in lmao

https://youtu.be/vRtwkOBpjTA?si=OusJOEthQ_u1Jl1-

This is even with holes in wall from what ever the fuck happened

They are going that slow

https://youtu.be/B1cXLKKpWMU?si=-Nw4Hi3s5lvVf-dI

Watch when that guy pies that open door

At :49 seconds

[dull adder]

(https://youtu.be/Kcm8Psan-V0?si=gSi_Qkw9LPzJYC0U&t=164)

There used to be a video called CQB MSOB that had 36 minutes full of raids just like this

Got taken down tho

[eager notch]

Again there was a hostage who was at a threat of getting executed

They had zero time to spare

[dull adder]

Yeah its a terrorist cell, and yes they can still be lethal but they can also still be caught off guard like the average untrained person. I think you are still underestimating how much average people can freeze up in the face of aggression. Its a case by case basis

[dull adder]

Okay but they were still able to do it, were they not?

Vector is adding a Hostage Rescue mode too according to the roadmap

[eager notch]

I don’t think you get they HAD to run in or the hostage would literally get Kurt cobained

There was no choice that’s why they brought in delta because nobody trains to full sprint and in like a meth head seeing demons and they were the best bet

[uncut idol]

isnt Delta above devgru or are they in the same tier one section?

[eager notch]

Yeah they are above devgru but they always do joint ops

[dull adder]

Literally just sent you a video of them training full sprint like a meth head seeing demons

[uncut idol]

got it, im assuming they're both the best of the best with what you just said

[eager notch]

Yeah

[eager notch]

A video from the 90s when they were constantly dying from that shit

Like I said they only sprint in when there is a imminent threat on a civilians life

Or when something really bad is going to happen really fast

[dull adder]

That video was not something from the 90s dude

and what war were they constantly dying in in the 90s??? Desert storm was over in like a week and Mogadishu was just a couple days

[eager notch]

Bro they are getting deployed and taking out threats when wars are not happening you Buffoon just like how the rangers did two weeks ago💀

[dull adder]

So you know they were for sure dying and you cant tell me where or what instance? And again, Delta didnt have equipment like that in the 90s. That vid is from mid 2010s at the earliest.

[eager notch]

Oh yeah I have clearance on where they raided and got shot the fuck up because they would release that . They literally changed their SOP because the terrorist got used to their tactics and mounted pkms facing door ways

[dull adder]

Well clearly they must have changed their minds and still practice high speed assaults considering there is literally video evidence of them doing that

Not saying they dont take it low and slow most of the time, but its kinda meaningless to assert they dont train for the worst case scenarios when you literally just watched them training for that worst case scenario

[eager notch]

They are like the only unit other than maybe devgru 24th sts etc who would even touch training like that

Because it gets people killed

And like you said it’s worst case scenario not every other scenario

[dull adder]

I think we can all agree it absolutely fucks tho

I had a feeling someone here would have it

Also my attempt at aggressive assault just yielded the most slapstick fucking comedy of my entire playtime. Breach the upstairs bathroom, get clipped by a dude but drop him. Operator man says "Its gonna take a lot more than that to kill me!" then opened the bedroom door and get gunned the fuck down immediately with a mag dump through the door

[velvet python]

You should post in in the discussion

[brave aurora]

aggressive play styles are possible but you gotta have the right people

[dull adder]

I want to make an addendum and say that 0400 House AI is ezpz to run up on aggressively without taking damage, even as a solo player. 0800 though? Borderline impossible.

They are far too accurate/quick to handle most of the time. Had some successful runs but still got hit a couple of times. I even opened up the console and toggled Slow Motion while breaching one time, and the AI sprinted around the corner of the hallway and put 2-3 rounds in my chest before I could even finish opening the door. Like I wasn't even peaking at that point, only starting to in slow motion. If you dont magdump every angle of every door before you bother to touch it, youre dead.

[glass violet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQeyk1BQ7LE

this is real cqb