#Custom TV Episode Orders-

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civic imp
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I just started with PMM this weekend and I'm blown away by the possibilities. Thanks for the great tool!
I'd like to use PMM to fix some of the bad episode orders TVDB/TMDB have set for Aired/DVD on locked series

I see mention of using PMM for this in some places (https://docs.ibracorp.io/plex-meta-manager-1/tv-configuration/tv-configuration-example/setting-custom-tv-episode-orders) but I don't see many walkthroughs, or another question on this Discord

My first thought is to create a yml config for the series I'd like to change with full metadata entries for each episode I want to move (as was done in the link above). From what I can tell if I'm going this route I'll need to include all metadata I want for each episode I'm moving in the config (e.g. title, summary, writer, director, etc) and then I would rearrange the large chunks of metadata for each episode into the order I prefer. This would mean maintaining large amounts of metadata just to change the episode order, and if there are any metadata items I've missed (for example some cast/crew) Plex will fill in the data for the episode from the old TMDB order rather than the episode I want

Is that the best way to change the order, or is there another way that will switch the episode order while maintaining the metadata from TMDB for each episode?

I was thinking I could somehow change the episode order in one of the following ways, but haven't seen how any of them would work yet:

  • Referencing the TMDB episode ID directly in the yml file for each episode whos order I'd like changed
  • Using the sort_title yml setting under each episode entry so that the sort_titles match the order I'd prefer (didn't seem to work when I tried)
  • Referencing a custom TMDB "episode group", which is the TMDB feature that allows users to add alternate episode orders to their database

Can anyone help me understand the best way to implement custom episode orders?

Setting Custom TV Episode Orders

This YAML file edits a single show to set a custom episode order and adds custom titles, release dates, and summaries for each episode.

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gloomy smelt
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Ibracorp is a little dated

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Check out the wiki at Metamanager.wiki

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civic imp
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I looked on Metamanager.wiki and didn't see anything specific related to episode order beyond the settings that Plex already allows (item_episode_ordering), but I may have missed something

The method used in the Ibacorp link appears to still work, but seems like there may be a better way?

paper sapphire
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Have you tried anything yet? If so, drop the meta.log in here and we can have a look

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Take a look at my config... I also have something in my repo that is called money_heist.yml that you might find useful

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Click on my avatar in discord and pick the PMM one

elder marlin
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@umbral reef does stuff like this with anime

umbral reef
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It's a lot of manual work, and copy and pasting tbh

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Have rename as per how plex knows the order is, Have plex back up the metadata, edit it to the order you want, rename the files to match

civic imp
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Thanks @umbral reef, do you have a sample config anywhere I could reference? Also, you mentioned having Plex back up the metadata, does this mean you can get all of the TMDB episode metadata written out of Plex to yml file? I tried PMM metadata backup but it was only backing up the stuff I've changed, so I would have to find a way to fill in the TMDB for all the episodes

umbral reef
# civic imp Thanks <@114448852097957889>, do you have a sample config anywhere I could refer...

Yeah basically i use either a metadata library or the main library, with the files renamed in a way that plex knows (I usually use tvdb ordering but that part doesn't fully matter). I then lock all the fields, and have pmm's metadata backup feature to back up the metadata. From there on it's just chopping and re-ordering the yml file and then the files themselves.
It's how I did this: https://i.imgur.com/gomUn1s.png
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https://i.imgur.com/xZmoNyu.png

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civic imp
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makes sense, thanks! I'll give it a try later today

umbral reef
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Giantass metadat file in the end though

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@civic imp if you aren't fully sure of a thing, I'd reccomend just doing a test library and playing around with that. I also use local assets for everything

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Because plex is still technically matching it to it's own sources.

civic imp
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Yeah one of the issues I want to correct with PMM is that Plex is getting the wrong info from it's own source when TVDB Aired order is set as the source (i.e. it's not using what's actually on TVDB). I've run into this a number of times since the release of the new scraper. I've had them fix this via syncs before, but I'd rather maintain this stuff myself then have to keep bugging them. I have a test library where I'm workshopping PMM changes one series at a time.

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and I see your yaml file is quite large, which makes sense if you have to pull all the metadata. I suspect episode order changes could be done in a way that doesn't require backing up all metadata, like linking TMDB IDs, using sort_title, or supporting TMDB episode groups, but I think PMM will need to be modified to do it. If anyone knows otherwise, let me know. otherwise I will get a feature request in place (I think TMDB episode group support might be the best way to implement it)

stiff parcel
civic imp
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You may get a better understanding than I did from that thread (also, the sync usually takes a few days, which is why if you make a change in TVDB it won't be live in your Plex instance for a few days)

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That issue I linked wasn't for episode order, but for finding the series, but I presume both need to be synced (there is currently an episode order issue with that series, Plex gets the wrong first episode even though it is correct in TVDB, I just used PMM to fix it on my instance 🙂 )

stiff parcel
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you should still try and let plex know if possible. You may have found a workaround using PMM but if its wrong for you then its probably wrong for everyone and the only way plex will know is if someone tells them

civic imp
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I'll let them know, it's a series they had fixed for me once before so I suspect as people change the TVDB/TMDB entries it will continue to cause future issues in Plex