Pioneer Pathfinder Pack

[lunar badger]

The Big Lad of base building. Chatter and discussions here about how the Pioneer will fit into exploration, outpost + settlement construction, and Organizations.

@peak slate

@next spire

[peak slate]

good times

pioneer life

[quick spindle]

2nd

Or 3d depends on how u look at it

Finally

Why pathfinder though? Am I missing something

[quick spindle]

Floating Fabricator would fit best lol

[next spire]

WOOOO ty <3

[plush zephyr]

its a really nice model

[quick spindle]

It’s not as bad as most critics say

But it’s certainly a downgrade from early concept

Still looks good enough though

[plush zephyr]

yeah

well il never really own one i think, only if its opend to some modularity maybe

[quick spindle]

If u ever need a base or something from pioneer

We’ll do that for fair price probably

[plush zephyr]

sounds good

[peak slate]

wish there was still a way to get LTI on the pioneer without spending double its price

[next spire]

The more I look at it, the more I like it, but it was definitely a shock when I first saw it

[quick spindle]

There is no LTI on the ship?

Also no concierge restriction I hope

Because I know the kraken, idris, javelin and 890J require you to have concierge to even buy the ships.

I've tested this last IAE

but I don't remember Pioneer having it

[peak slate]

IAE usually gives 10 years - the original concept for pioneer had LTI and land claims attached to it from what ive seen of the options to buy an LTI one from various places but they are very expensive

it IS hull limited iirc which means no CCU's and thus no ability to chain it into LTI final unit
only a one time purchase of 850 and wotever insurance it gets offered with

[distant dagger]

Imagene if CIG marketing decides to un-limit Pioneer

[next spire]

What we thinking will be in the front of the ship?

Its got a LOT of empty space

Also, will anything move on the ship?

Like in the original concept, the left arm went all the way out and unfolded, same went for the roof

[peak slate]

Price bump to 1k so it can have LTI

[quick spindle]

Change the name of this topic

Should be
Pioneer Pulsating Powerhouse or something

[peak slate]

Pioneer Pioneers

[distant dagger]

so how hard will it be to get Pioneer this year?

[bright canyon]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/cnou-pioneer-update/7455293

As highlighted in our recent CitizenCon 2954 presentation, the Pioneer features impressive capabilities, including its crafting hangar and the ability to build both planetside and in space, far exceeding its original design. With this in mind, we want to give you a heads-up: the price of the Pioneer will be adjusted during CNOU Day at this year's IAE, increasing by $75.

Additionally, we’ve made some changes to the Pioneer package. The UEE Land Claim License Estate Parcel (8km x 8km) and the GreyCat Estate Geotack-X Planetary Beacon will no longer be included in future pledges.

[peak slate]

coulda made it 1k so it has fucking LTI ffs

[distant dagger]

still will sell out in seconds

[distant dagger]

cannot belive it i found guy selling Pioneer on my local market for used stuff and got it for 1000USD

[distant dagger]

2 questions: what are these outpost construction materials and why do you think CIG pulled land claim becons?

[carmine vine]

Because they're going to sell land claims again, likely for even more despite them already being $50 / $100 (4x4, 8x8) and limited to 10 per account

For outpost construction materials, I doubt even CIG knows

[distant dagger]

My theory is they will simply give materials(aluminium,wood,iron) but need to be careful with amount if original pioneer owner can build base at start with minimal cost Spectrum and new Pioneer owners will riot

[warm sinew]

Shit I’m just happy to finally have a mobile base. Gonna be zoopin around sucking up resources and printing shit like a war hammer fan with a 3D printer

[distant dagger]

Welcome to the club

[distant dagger]

Did CIG removed land claim from new Pioneers becouse they want 4x4km/ 8x8km land claims to be earned ingame and rare?

[carmine vine]

No, it's because they'll sell them again at a higher price and make them earned ingame but expensive/rare

[distant dagger]

Oh ok hopping i can sell mine ingame to an org

[distant dagger]

Do you think dimmensions are final or will CIG make Pioneer bigger in its development phase?

[distant dagger]

noticed that Pioneer lacks docking collar?

[carmine vine]

It's like the Orion, it can't dock

[distant dagger]

so park it near station and use small ship/snub to enter station

[carmine vine]

Potentially drydock too, like how Javelins currently dock at stations

[next spire]

The Orion cant dock?

[carmine vine]

As far as I'm aware, at least. I haven't seen otherwise, but that ship has also not been updated in many many years. It could get a docking collar at some point.

Would make sense though. It's nearly as large as a Javelin.

[distant dagger]

safety reasons so it does nor accidentaly move station when engines are turned on

[distant dagger]

anyways i notice CIG did not show refinery and medical room on new interior layout so i hope Pioneer does not grow when its in active development

[wet robin]

I can't believe they sorta added mining to the pioneer

[distant dagger]

Yeah but im more intrested how will CIG balance this compared to mining base since Pioneer can despawn while base cannot

[distant dagger]

i find that Pioneer will be great mobile ground deposit miner based on latest info we got from SCL and probably could ˝clean˝ abandoned outposts/bases

[distant dagger]

anyways i have been thinking Pioneer can carry 2 small ships since it has 1 small hangar+1 makeshift small hangar

[bright canyon]

Which 2 ships would be your pick?

[distant dagger]

depends on how will scanning for ground deposits work, but terrapin would be good scout for landing spot/ground deposits and second ship would simply be a shuttle for small tasks for witch Pioneer would be to massive so Nomad would be great option

[distant dagger]

Did you saw todays SCL we got few new pics of Pioneers cargo hold and fabricator area?

Also if you compare this pics with citizencon video you notice changes how this area is designed

[bright canyon]

This was an amazing SCL, having the ship concept artists share their Polaris work was completely unexpected!

[distant dagger]

Anyways hopping for more pics/video of Pioneers state at EOY

[distant dagger]

Odd on concept pic showing cargobay on wall its writen capacity 700 is it mistake or CIG went back from 1000 to 700?

[wet robin]

All 1000 might not be in the same spot. The other 300 could be elsewhere. Or like is often the case with CIG, once they actually started designing the ship, they realized they couldn’t fit the 1000scu where they wanted to and did walk it back. We won’t know for a while.

[bright canyon]

The concept designer mentioned that this is a all placeholder text.

Paraphrased:
"Any values that i needed place holder text for was just me mashing my keyboard"

[distant dagger]

@wet robin @bright canyon thanks, anyways now with changes latest concept pics showed im even more intrested how will Pioneer look

[distant dagger]

yeah but if you look at character next to cargo grid im not that sure it can have 1000SCU there

[bright canyon]

https://youtu.be/mH0TSoC8d_k?t=1855

[distant dagger]

why are you bringing whats writen on walls again? i said i cannot see 1000 SCU fitting there if we use character as measurement

[bright canyon]

To explain just like the text on walls, its all CONCEPT PLACEHOLDERs

[distant dagger]

From Aprils monthly report:

The Consolidated Outland Pioneer continued through the pre-production and whitebox phases. The modular kits were solidified alongside some structural changes to improve the flow and movement through the ship. The team also continued to define the core visual elements to inject the Consolidated Outland art style.

Basicaly id say interior video CIG showed is now outdated

[lost meteor]

So sad. But also exciting.

[distant dagger]

well concept pics they showed already showed changes, but that does not mean we lost features just stuff is rearanged

[distant dagger]

I hope CIG didnt make it even bigger tho

[lost meteor]

How come? I hope they use more of the internal space. It seems the entire front section isn't used but I'd imagine that has some reason probably for like fabricating structures I'd imagine.

[wicked geyser]

It is a fabrication room, yes. The Printers Tray if you will.

[lost meteor]

Oh, I thought it opening like this was out of date.

So it will still open and kind of deploy these printers, so to speak?

[wicked geyser]

It is. But I dunno what it was changed to so… that’s all I got.

[wicked geyser]

I think so, yes.

[lost meteor]

Would be really cool to see that.

[distant dagger]

no it has 4 XL drones now and also arm doesnt move anyomore

@lost meteor https://youtu.be/k-mlcAxu53I?t=1150 take a look

[lost meteor]

Oh yeah I remember now, I’ve watched this video.

[distant dagger]

i was saying that interior layout shown is outdated now

[lost meteor]

Ah gotcha.

[distant dagger]

#1303042776878813255 message here are concept pics we were shown after Citizencon and you notice fabricators are rotated 90deg and are now one floor lower than they were in Citizencon video

[lost meteor]

@distant dagger

[distant dagger]

thanks i already read it

[lost meteor]

Sucks that’s the Pioneer isn’t coming this year.

[distant dagger]

that was known already, but im stil hopping for ISC or video showcasing its progress and design

[lost meteor]

That would be nice.

Still hoping for base building this year/early next year. What’s your thoughts?

[distant dagger]

possible but probably very limited at start

[lost meteor]

Yeah, that’s likely

[lost meteor]

[distant dagger]

The Consolidated Outland Pioneer continued its long and extensive whitebox phase.

“The sheer scale and complexity of this ship mean this is a longer-than-normal phase!” Vehicle Content Team.

[distant dagger]

I hope CIG did not make it even bigger

[wet robin]

why would it really matter?

[distant dagger]

Its huge already no need to get bigger

[wet robin]

yeah but its already huge, what difference would it getting a little bigger if it need to be make

like if it needs to be 270m instead of 247m I'm not really gonna notice, and if thats what it takes to fit everything it needs to, all the better.

[distant dagger]

Well it might have hard time landing in XL hangar

[wet robin]

That is potentially true I suppose. But they're gonna have to make bigger hangars eventually. There are bigger ships than the pioneer.

[distant dagger]

Well Orion and javelin are docking only

And i dont know how would i feel if Pioneer can be only spawned at docking port

[wet robin]

Fair

well I'm sure they'll do their best to keep the pioneer within the XL hangar

[distant dagger]

Well UK team its working on it and they have tendecy to size creep ships so

Plus based on all info we have Citizencon images and video are outdated already

[lost meteor]

Surprised we didn't get an update on the pioneers progress this month. I really do wonder how long its whitebox phase will be.

[olive plank]

Maybe the pioneer is the next merchantman

[distant dagger]

probably gonna enter GB at EOY

[lost meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/tentofate-elmo-elmo-staring-gif-11901234066681497328

[distant dagger]

well if we assume hangar link has correct Pioneers landing pad size it means we can store cutty black in Pioneer

[lost meteor]

Does that hangar lower and is it the same one used to fabricate vehicles?

[wet robin]

As far as we understand it yes it’s the one that fabricates vehicles.

[distant dagger]

Yes it lowers but not fabricator one that one ia next to it

[distant dagger]

its not

this is how it was shown at Citizencon however did CIG changed stuff while Pioneer is in WB we dont know

[wet robin]

Oh weird

[distant dagger]

fabricator has its own roof access for ship and ramp for ground vehicle it builds

[lost meteor]

Do we know what they’re gonna utilize the nose area of the ship for. Right now it seems like a ton of wasted space.

[distant dagger]

nothing official but it could be used for refinery and fuel tanks

also as already said this interior is outdated already

[lost meteor]

Wow.

Really excited for the next update they give us on it. May not be for a few more months though with how long the current phase they’re in is.

[distant dagger]

earliest possible time for update is Citizencon

[lost meteor]

Also by this, what type of refinery? Fuel or Ore?

That would be crazy if the pioneer got an ore refinery and the Orion didn’t.

[distant dagger]

refinery for ORE since it has ore extractors in its landing legs for grounds deposits

[lost meteor]

I would doubt CIG would make this ship that self-sustaining honestly. I can see the ore extractors for the legs getting replaced and at most getting replaced by some large mining lasers.

Because if it really does have ore extractors, refining, crafting, building, all in one ship that would be crazy imo.

[distant dagger]

yeah here is the isssue JC called Pioneer fully self sustaining mobile base

[lost meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek1-really-seriously-gif-16283102

Lol then we're gonna be spoiled.

[distant dagger]

https://youtu.be/k-mlcAxu53I?t=1321

but im not entirely sure CIG is grasping what they said

[lost meteor]

I guess its really not comparable to the military type capital ships that are out now or the 890. We have yet to see how these capital ships with dedications to game loops other than combat. That gives me hope for ships like the Orion and what not to really make that ship into a more self-sustaining base too.

[lost meteor]

What do you mean?

[distant dagger]

calling Pioneer self sustaining mobile base can easily make people belive it can make its own fuel and food thus no need to visit ports/request delivery of food and fuel

[lost meteor]

Exactly.

[distant dagger]

for fuel Hydrogen is easy just say it has fuel scoops good enough to be like 100i not running out of it, but what about quantanium fuel?

food would require garden inside

[lost meteor]

Right like that would make ships like the starfarer redundant. You would think these capital ships need support crews with them in those support type roles ships like the Vulcan for repair or Starfarer for refueling.

[distant dagger]

Pioneer would need repair ships even if its self sustaining but fuel no need

[lost meteor]

That also makes me think that if this ship will be "self sustaining" the price is gonna go way up on it by release.

[distant dagger]

i think Pioneer can turn to be sleeper ship like atm not that intresting but at reveal it could be way more important and intresting

[lost meteor]

I think even right now its super interesting and I'm still surprised people don't realize the possibilities this ship allows you to unlock.

Space stations, crafting ships, crafting bases for use.

[wet robin]

Orion is supposed to have onboard ore refining

[distant dagger]

also i belive alot of backers gonna hire Pioneer to craft that Large construction hub for players

[lost meteor]

The onboard refinery was removed from the RSI page. But, could still be a possibility.

[wet robin]

💀

[lost meteor]

Right, thats the entire purpose of my org lol.

[distant dagger]

i more like idea of mobile base for pioneer

[lost meteor]

Also just using it as a giant crafting base for anything you want. As long as you have it, you have access to craft anything in the game.

[wet robin]

it can be a mobile base if it wants to be, but I bought a construction ship

so it better be a construction ship lol

[distant dagger]

it is also a factory

[lost meteor]

It will be regardless, it always will be. But its got a whole bunch of other little perks coming with it.

[lost meteor]

I honestly think the price will surpass that of the Idris when it releases.

[distant dagger]

depends i only see this if it gets even more features

[wet robin]

yeah military ships have a big tax

it will surpass the polaris, but I doubt it'll pass the idris

[distant dagger]

id say it actualy got a new role rather than other perks

[lost meteor]

In your picture it does say it has medical, crafting, extraction, and refineries. Just so much packed into this ship.

[lost meteor]

Thats true actually, forgot military gets a price bump.

[lost meteor]

A new role? As in mobile base?

[distant dagger]

yes, originaly it was just a mobile basebuilder now its basebuilder/mobile base/station builder

could add also mobile small shipyard

[lost meteor]

Soon

[lost meteor]

True.

[distant dagger]

i got a feeling alot of pioneers gonna be mostly used as mobile base

also there is a chance Pioneer could also be able to demolish abandoned bases

[lost meteor]

That would be cool.

[distant dagger]

What do you think guys will Pioneer get PDCs?

[bright canyon]

No

[wet robin]

Probably not.

[lost meteor]

No, it was never originally shipped with them and its not a military ship.

Also am I the only one who thinks this ship will get an insane price increase?

[distant dagger]

Considering the recent additions and subtractions, a substantial price increase is unlikely unless new features are implemented by CIG during development.

[wet robin]

The jump from $850 to what it is now is the substantial price jump, but it will also certainly get another smaller one when it releases

[lost meteor]

True. I’m thinking to similar price increase that the Idris got. This sole ship gives you access to the end game. imo I think it should be more than the Idris.

But Idris is that price because of the military price tag so it makes sense.

[wet robin]

Yeah money wise it earns that premium

But I think in game, long term. Idris will probably cost less credits relative to a pioneer but have a much steeper rep grind to get access to military stuff

That will probably be the trade off long term

[distant dagger]

Yeah pioneer will cost more ingame becouse of its capital basebuilder

[lost meteor]

Anyone else concerned about no updates on the pioneer over the past 4-5 months. ;-;

[distant dagger]

Yep its either nothing to say or paused

[lost meteor]

I pray they don't BMM us.

[visual dune]

thinking of buying one lol

any idea what happens if you dont have a land claim?

Ive heard there will be other ways to expand claims etc, but from what ive heard they seem pretty important, any clue about the construction materials either?

[distant dagger]

Land claim is only needed if you want to build a base or mine deposits in a UEE-controlled system.

[visual dune]

im going to assume you can do so but just illegially, or will it be downright impossible?

[distant dagger]

That was not explained. CIG could hard lock no building at all or crimestat and police visit

[visual dune]

Sounds reasonable to be fair, i dont think i would be building in stanton though. Fingers crossed we will be able to get the land claims in game

[lost meteor]

I just hope getting a claim isn't hard since one didn't come with my pledge.

[visual dune]

Same here, since they arent selling the claims for future pledges either

[carmine vine]

They will probably sell them again tbh, they're already holding back some finished ships/vehicles that are base building focused

[wet robin]

As far as we know it will be possible to earn land claims in game as well. But could not be on release of the pioneer but we just won’t know more until they release more.

[distant dagger]

its not about how hard is to get one i think biggest issue will be cost

[olive plank]

Don’t need land claim when you can use the pioneer to build a space station. Unless they gonna add space claim

[distant dagger]

They will i belive Space stations gonna be more limited and more expensive than ground base

[visual dune]

signifcantly so

[distant dagger]

And besides Pioneer is small mobile base with 1000SCU cargo capacity so you could use it as mining base so expensive land claim wont be needed most of the time

[lost meteor]

If it gets refineries which honestly I’m starting to doubt.

If refineries were added to this ship, it really would be fully self-sustaining but I think they meant fully self sustaining for a player since it has crafting, building, medical, cargo, etc everything a player will ever need if it’s parked in one spot.

I honestly think that we will not see the mineral extractors in the landing gear like they said we would. It seems like a feature that is so far away and with them removing drones from the Apollo entirely, I wouldn’t put it past them to just remove an entire feature from the Pioneer as well.

[wet robin]

where did they say they're removing the drones from the Apollo? I thought it just got shipped without them, but would still get drones later?

[lost meteor]

They never said they’re removing it but it’s officially post-poned although likely we will never see them.

[wet robin]

Ah, okay fair enough.

[distant dagger]

if i understood correctly those extractors will come when we get ground deposits

[lost meteor]

Is that a before 1.0 thing to come with the mining refactor?

[visual dune]

Pretty sure it comes with planet tech v5, which is soon-ish

[distant dagger]

Isnt current Microtech planet tech v5?

[visual dune]

Lemme check

[visual dune]

No we currently have v4

on all planets

[lost meteor]

[olive plank]

I wonder if it’s only gonna be base building for now or are we also gonna get to build space stations when the pioneer comes out

[wet robin]

I highly doubt it

[distant dagger]

Lets be real we can only hope for basebuilding T0 at Pioneer release and no spacestations

[lost meteor]

[olive plank]

I rather have only the space station and no base building

[wet robin]

Nah, base building is the best part

[olive plank]

I just want to put a space station anywhere and could probably use an SRV to move it somewhere else

[wet robin]

I doubt you'll be able to move space stations

[olive plank]

Probably not but it would be nice to be able to

[lost meteor]

@distant dagger You were right, pioneer will get an onboard refinery. https://youtu.be/mH0TSoC8d_k?t=1767

[visual dune]

do we have any idea if it will be restriced in what it can refine like the odyssey?

[distant dagger]

ground deposits

[visual dune]

surely if its supposed to be a self sustaining mobile base then it would be able to refine fuel ect

[distant dagger]

i doubt CIG comprehends what self sustaining means

[visual dune]

true

[distant dagger]

becouse lets face if CIG knew they wouldnt say it or would risk making Pioneer to good

[lost meteor]

Exactly what I was thinking previously.

[distant dagger]

why does dev call this a refinery becouse it looks like Pioneers cargo bay?

[olive plank]

But I feel like end game ships should be very good. The nerf the pioneer should have is space station being the hardest thing to make

[lost meteor]

It does look like a cargo bay. And yknow cig, a thousand different words for the same thing so idrk.

[lost meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/meditation-hippie-patrick-patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10931060308094798636

Manifesting a Pioneer update this PU Monthly Report.

[lost meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[visual dune]

was a shame not to see one, i guess that means we either get it next year IAE or at somepoint in the next 12 months with a crafting/basbuilding update

[distant dagger]

well if leaks/rumors are to be belived basebuilding is on track and we will see new stuff at Citizencon so i dont see why pausing Pioneer so i think no updates becouse there is nothing to say or just saying Pioneer in WB wont meant much to us

[lost meteor]

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised to see an update on basebuilding at CitizenCon with this new Salvage overhaul stating its the foundation of Crafting. With crafting segway-ing into Base-Building we shall what they cook up.

[bright canyon]

I am having trouble understanding, are you saying there was recent information about upcoming news for the Pioneer at CitizenCon Direct?

[distant dagger]

No rumors says we gonna get update on basebuilding so it means basebuilding isnt delayed hence no reason to pause Pioneer

[lost meteor]

Well now since we are Post Cit-Con, what are our thoughts here? It’s nice to see crafting finally being realized which is one step in the process of getting the Pioneer out. I’m very happy to hear them talking about ship cargo grids feeding crafting machines and what not, lots of this seems to prep for the Pioneer which is nice.

[distant dagger]

Well leaks were false for start and second im more worried Pioneer is paused due to lack of any word on it

[lost meteor]

I’m thinking now it’s paused only because of the roadblock of Crafting and Basebuilding. I don’t think we’ll see it til then and it seems the resources got moved over to the Kraken.

Makes sense when they said that the Pioneer won’t come with Basebuilding and was doubting that for a second but seems they just wanted to get the first part done so they can implement the features down the road. Makes even more sense when they said that the Greybox phase will be one of the longest compared to any ship.

[distant dagger]

where did they said it will have longest GB?

[lost meteor]

Sorry meant to say WB.

[distant dagger]

man hoppium says Pioneer is still worked on but realist says its paused

[lost meteor]

Yeah. It’s defo paused for now. We got BMM’d. 🫩

[olive plank]

BMM going back into production in 2026 >o>

[warped plover]

Soon

I’m gonna get one

:)

[lost meteor]

Best of luck to you. This ship is literally a flying base.

• 4x XL Crafting Bays.
• 4x XL Building Drones
• x1 Medium Fabrication Hangar.
• Medical Facilities
• Onboard Refinery (Maybe)
• Passive Mining Capabilities
• 1000 SCU of storage
• The only ship in the game that allows you to access endgame content and access to making capital ships.

Pioneer is a sleeper pick I feel. Literally one of the best ships out there.

[warped plover]

how many people you think would go for it?

since it's still a limited ship

[lost meteor]

I thought it wasn’t gonna be too many since it’s not as sought after as like an Idris but the 890 sold out pretty quick and that ship is poo poo. So to answer your question, probably a good amount.

[warped plover]

hmm

at least a better chance than idris

considering the timing of the sales, i'm gonna guess more people are gonna save and try for idris

unless they got enough money to get pioneer and idris at same time

[lost meteor]

True. I think if scalper bots are plaguing these waves like they did during ILW, you’ll have a good chance.

[warped plover]

ye

[distant dagger]

To ad current pioneer will be less popular becouse it lacks landclaim

[near tusk]

Dont say that please, ur crushing my hopes.

[wet robin]

I’m glad I got mine with the land claim before they announced they were actually gonna work on it 🤣

[distant dagger]

Well we do not know how landclaims will really work, but i suspect price for 8x8 claim gonna be to high for CIG being comfortable to give it with pioneer

[distant dagger]

Anyways considering how fast CIG is going with tech im not sure they can afford pausing pioneer

[lost meteor]

I wish I got mine one with the land claim.

[lost meteor]

Wdym?

I'm sure they can. They will probably say that Mining and what not needs a rework and rework that over this year adding the Arrastra in and early crafting.

Then late 2026 we'll probably get our first taste on seeing the Pioneer again.

[warped plover]

i now have faith in snatching a pioneer

:)

[olive plank]

eww 10 year 890

no LTI

[warped plover]

well

good enough for me

gonna melt it anyway

need credit for pioneer

[carmine vine]

it be like that

[lost meteor]

Bro your hangar multiplies every IAE and ILW I swear. 😭

[distant dagger]

Well JC said it at reconcept reweal that Pioneers mining isnt coming with pioneer on day 1

[lost meteor]

Oh, I didn't hear that. Still, I've been thinking about it and rewatching all the videos about it post-reconcept. There is a lot of new features they have to add into this ship. It will be one of the only capital ships with the most new features on it, only second to the Endeavor. Refining, Crafting, Ship Fabrication, Drone Tech, is all needed on this ship and we have only heard progress on one of those recently. It would be amazing if they could just finish up the Pioneer and release it with T1 or T2 Crafting in the future without all of its features but it all seems very far out. I'm thinking the best scenario I can realistically see right now is that they will finish work on the Kraken and release it by IAE 2026 and then continue production of the Pioneer the following year in 2027 when all the features are more realized.

Unless they release Squadron early next year and then the teams working on Features get more help, then we'll just have to see how fast things pick up.

[distant dagger]

Well realisticaly there arent any word on Pioneer being paused so we could get some great update on its progress soonish

[lost meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1301945801563701248/croberts.gif

[warped plover]

apparently

i won't have enough store credit to get pioneer this time

welp

time to wait for ILW

[olive plank]

Take out a loan. 200% worth it

[olive plank]

ILW is military ships

[lost meteor]

Yes, put yourself $925 in-debt for a png.

[wet robin]

It isn’t on sale during Invictus. Only IAE.

And whenever it releases if that’s outside of IAE

[warped plover]

Oh

[lost meteor]

I did manage to snag mine in a random sale they had towards the start of the year. Seems like it was for the launch of the Atls but it does happen outside of IAE. #sc-news message

[warped plover]

hmmmm

i got enough store credit lmao

gonna try for it again

had to melt some extra stuff

gonna buy them back at end of iae

[lost meteor]

Good luck broski.

[distant dagger]

good luck. perhaps you will get lucky this time

[warped plover]

Idris evades me

Let’s hope pioneer don’t lol

[lost meteor]

Good luck to all the Wave 1 peeps!

[warped plover]

best luck ever

store credit on wave 1

[lost meteor]

Congrats.

It was up for a long time surprisingly.

[rose tangle]

Secured the bag✅

same with store credit

[distant dagger]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/looking-for-questions-star-citizen-live-november-2/8456296

need a votes😁

[rose tangle]

I VOTED

[distant dagger]

i know its long shot but no bad to try

[cloud schooner]

Up for a long time? Sold out at 11:01.

[lost meteor]

I managed to refresh multiple times while it was up. Credit was up for a while all things considered. Usually you only have the chance to refresh once.

Kinda tempted to melt the Pioneer I have now to get one now. The one I have is only 6 months insurance.

[distant dagger]

is it with land claims?

[lost meteor]

No, sadly.

It was a couple months after IAE that they set another sale for it and that’s when I got it.

[distant dagger]

then you can try for 10y one and if it does not work you buyback 6mo one

[lost meteor]

Yeah, I got a buyback token still just in case.

[lost meteor]

Well they updated the Raiden loaner.

When will the Pioneer Loaner be upgraded?

I think it atleast deserves a C2 as well for the time being. Maybe an Ironclad when the Ironclad drops.

[distant dagger]

thats tricky, becouse there is no ship that matches its role and only ship it can get as loaner is Nomad

[lost meteor]

I’d imagine it as a flying base. Covers all roles in the game. Only thing I can think of that’s close to that is the Carrack or the Clipper.

[lost meteor]

And they have yet to release one of the silhouettes, the one people said was gonna be the CNOU ship possibly. Maybe it will get that? Idk.

[lament stump]

I was successful in securing a pioneer first wave

[warped plover]

the one that look like a ground vehicle?

what are the chance we'll get pioneer at ILW

or ironclad

[distant dagger]

Pioneer 0%, ironclad 80%

[warped plover]

i'm getting a vibe that pioneer release might be entirely random

iirc galaxy is for next IAE

dunno if they'll put out two large ship together

[distant dagger]

Nah Pioneer is big capital so CIG will make bigger deal out of it

[lament stump]

Iron clad will be defense con next year pretty much confirmed

Considering they said next year they will be back bigger and better than ever, so either ironclad for defense con or the kraken but I’d see the kraken eoy next year

[warped plover]

in that case

galaxy when?

or pioneer a year after that?

also i doubt they can get the kraken out that fast

[lament stump]

Galaxy was said to be after Perseus but that was ages ago they said that and it hasn’t been mentioned since, but if I remember they moved Perseus devs to the kraken

[cloud schooner]

Pioneer was not going to come with base building right? Do we expect them to give us a base build loaner?

[warped plover]

probably not

might see early crafting tho

[distant dagger]

Only thing i remember CIG said it wont come with ground mining

[cloud schooner]

They have been working on it for a year though now right?

[lament stump]

I think we will get base building middle to eoy 2026 with Nyx 1

[distant dagger]

Well they started soon after reconcept reveal at Citizencon. But we dont know if its still worked on or paused

[warped plover]

honestly

we have quite a few interior art from last year

[distant dagger]

Citizen con video and imagey are outdated as shown by interior concept images

[lament stump]

Art and modelling are big differences though, they did say with reconcepting that we will see a bigger interior to fill empty space

[warped plover]

well

i just hope it get released next year

would make up for the large capital slot in my fleet

[distant dagger]

Personaly liking concept art colors better

First interior showcase used black and orange

[lost meteor]

Literally 0

[lost meteor]

Yeah plus the addition of a lot of onboard facilities that weren’t shown in the last reconcept interior.

[distant dagger]

Unless Pioneer enters GB by EOY i dont see it at IAE 2026 either

[lost meteor]

It was said that Chris did see the interior art and liked it too so I would imagine what we saw in the concept team’s work last year for the refinery, crafting stations, and cargo bay.

[lost meteor]

Honestly I agree. So many new features need to be added to get this ship pushed to live. And by then, 1.0 will release.

[distant dagger]

Yeah refinery and medical bay was missing

[distant dagger]

IF miracle happens next weeks monthly report saying its entering GB there is chance

[lost meteor]

Crafting, onboard Refining, Drone Tech, Vehicle Fabrication, Base Building, and Mineral extraction via landing gear are all needed for this ship. All of which we have yet to see on any ship.

[lost meteor]

If that is so, I will literally eat 46 raw tomatoes.

[warped plover]

the closest thing we're about to have might be crafting

but that's about it

[distant dagger]

Well clipper has crafting station. So its not blocker. Id rather have pioneer ingame without working stuff than it sitting on shelf

[lost meteor]

It doesn’t have extra large crafting stations though. But, still a step in the right direction.

I could honestly see the Pioneer coming after the Orion.

[warped plover]

i doubt we're getting orion anytime soon

pioneer is active production and orion is on hold

[lost meteor]

You never know. With Nyx now in and mining needing a refactor, they might look at mining ships soon…

[lost meteor]

Wow, sold out a lot quicker this time.

[near tusk]

i've giving up on trying to get any limited ship, lol. shit's plagued with people that use bots/scripts

[olive plank]

I warbond all mine. How I got them

I gotten kraken and kraken privateer on first wave with warbond

[near tusk]

i could if i wanted, but i have other expenses atm, fully reliant on storecredit for now

[olive plank]

Try refreshing the page 1 minute before the actual drop. Usually how I do it

[quick spindle]

How long for warbond to sell out

Where the fuck is it

[lost meteor]

About just as fast as credit.

[quick spindle]

Thats insane

[olive plank]

What you mean, you got 0.00001ms longer to get warbond

[quick spindle]

Got it now

Even got time to apply the coupon code

[lost meteor]

Lucky.

I had it all ready and got an error.

Now I’m trying it and it can’t authorize my transaction.

Well atleast I got a Pioneer, hopefully they release n insurance upgrade down the line.

[near tusk]

woke up early by chance, seen warbond wasnt sold out., fuck it might aswell 🤣

[lost meteor]

Lol if you got the extra funds maybe it’s worth it. I did that with the Idris and immediately regretted it so play it safe and smart.

[near tusk]

i mean if the need would pop up for $$ i could always refund it. in the end it's just an unreleased ship xd

[quick spindle]

yeehaw

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how dare they still use the chad pioneer image for it though

after their downgrade remodel

[distant dagger]

Downgrade?

[lost meteor]

Welp, John Crewe just confirmed that there is no CNOU ship coming next year so that means the Pioneer will not release until atleast 2027.

[quick spindle]

You think the current decign looks better than concept design?

[distant dagger]

it looks really similar but masive changes were needed due to how basebuilding works plus we are getting more than we paid for

[lament stump]

Didn’t they say the forge is coming?

[distant dagger]

Paused no gameplay

[distant dagger]

question considering Pioneer has ground deposit extractors now should it be profitable if Pionner is used for ground deposits mining?

[olive plank]

would always be profitable but id say they have it mine extremely slow since it might just be automatic mining

i dont see how they could make it where you need to manually mine with the pioneer

[wet robin]

No, I don't think it should be profitable in that I don't think you could run the pioneer as a mining ship.

I think it will, at least long term, be expensive to run, and what you can mine from a ground deposit would be better suited as building materials rather than sold. But who knows. I'm sure someone will make it work.

[distant dagger]

Well Pioneer is also mobile base now. Using ground mining for building materials is great assuming its there where are you building base

[wet robin]

or you pick it up, and store it onboard for crafting/base building at a different location

I just don't see it being profitable as a mining ship.

its going to be more expensive to crew and operate, and less versatile at mining than something like the arrastra or even maybe the mole. I can't see it running anything other than a net loss if you use it purely for mining.

[distant dagger]

It should be IF you are mining valuable ore for example extracting aluminium should not be while extracting bexalite should be

[distant dagger]

Can Mole arrastra mine ground deposits?

[wet robin]

Arrastra might be able to carry something that will be able to.

I assume they'll make an atlas sized ground deposit mining vehicle at some point. I doubt the pioneer will be the only ship that can do it.

[wet robin]

even if you mined pure bexalite idk if it should be profitable, but I also doubt we'll see massive amounts of valuable ore in ground deposits

[distant dagger]

Tbh Arrastra could just aim mining laser down into ground deposit

[distant dagger]

Still Pioneer also has refinery so CIG defenitly sees Pioneer as miner since its mobile base

[wet robin]

I agree, it'll mine

I just don't think it'll be a profitable miner, I think they expect you to use it for craft and build

but it's all conjecture until we have it in the verse to test, and then a couple balance passes

[olive plank]

its most likely gonna very very slowly mine which if you afk and dont get attacked, you could make a profit overtime

privateer is suppose to bring passive income. i could see selling materials from what the pioneer mines and having it on the privateer to sell. which when we get NPCs flying around in 2065 to sell to, very easy passive income

[distant dagger]

i have wishful thinking Pioneer will get PDCs

[lament stump]

It won’t, they said only military ships will get them going forwards

[distant dagger]

did they?

[lament stump]

They did, at the time they added them to the reclaimer I believe, they said the reclaimer only got them because at the time it was a selling point of the ship and they had no plans to add them to non-military ships going forwards

[olive plank]

BMM will also be getting 4 of them

I feel like all non military capital ships should get at least 1, maybe 2 PDCs on the stern of the ship since that where they are all mostly defenseless there

They aren’t armored like military ships so most likely they won’t be able to ignore S1 and S2 guns and will get bullied by all fighters

[distant dagger]

i think CIG either does not want to bother with giving all caps PDCs or wants non-military caps be pinata

[olive plank]

They could give smaller caliber remote turrets that can eventually be ai bladed to be like PDCs. Like kraken has 1 dual S8, 4 dual S6 and 4 dual S5. Big ass guns that will have a hard time hitting any fighter. And pioneer only got 4 dual S4 on top for a massive ship that also supposed to be used as base defense

[distant dagger]

last time i check is 2xS5 and 4xS4 turrets

[olive plank]

It changes all the time. I looked at the wiki for what it had. Wiki also says it’s suppose to get 6 S4 distortion guns that are pilot controlled

[distant dagger]

reconcepted Pioneer has 6 turrets on images

[olive plank]

Hmm

[distant dagger]

to be honest 2 are hard to see but they are at bottom so Pioneer is not defensless if enemy is bellow it

[olive plank]

At least all the turrets on the pioneer can be ai bladed

[distant dagger]

not really

[lament stump]

I think non-military cap ships are suppose to be a pinata, in the sense their purpose is a fleet ship, with engineering it has killed solo capitals to an extent, but realistically a capital ship will not be alone whether is was a military cap or not, they are suppose to be a center for a fleet, so say you have a pioneer building a base, you would have a private contractor supporting you, or a fleet of your own protecting you while you do it

[lost meteor]

Profitable in the sense of what you could build with said minerals probably. I would imagine the extraction rate will be negligible compared to a mining head’s capabilities.

[lost meteor]

I doubt it. It was never mentioned to get PDCs and it’s not a military capital ship. There is always a possibility when it comes to CIG ig.

[distant dagger]

i think Ground extractors are more part of Pioneers mobile base part than its basebuilding part so IMO it should be profitable assuming you are not mining cheap ore

[lost meteor]

Definitely possible.

[distant dagger]

for example mining Aluminium should not be profitable while mining Gold,Laranite and better should be

[lost meteor]

Not sure what they’ll do to be honest. Really if they stick to the concept of it being a self sustaining mobile base then it should be able to pull a massive amount of resources which in-turn means it can pull a lot of profitable materials.

They could make it so that it’s physically incapable of mining that quality of mineral or could be those minerals won’t be extractable from ground deposits at all. It’s just a feature that’s so far out, it could really be anything they want it to be.

If you want my honest opinion, I think the entire feature will be scrapped and replaced with mining heads instead when they realize implementing such a feature will be a lot of work that can be bypassed by just swapping the feature out with something that already exists.

[distant dagger]

I think CIG doesnt want another Galaxy basebuilding module drama so id say ground extractors will stay

[lament stump]

Id have to second that since they are adding them to the CNOU Forge that might be released in the first couple months of 2026

[distant dagger]

Forge will come with crafting and possibly be Pioneer loaner

[lost meteor]

Oh, didn't know that. It wasn't in the line up to be released this year though. They said no CNOU ships are planned to be released this year.

[distant dagger]

unlikely as far as we know CNOU Forge did not go past internal concept so my bet is it will enter active development when Crafting is PTU ready

[lost meteor]

Hopefully thats soon with Crafting going into Tech Preview within the next month or two.

Well technically it was supposed to go into Tech Preview in December but they haven’t said a peep about it.

[distant dagger]

Man i hope we get update/info on is Pioneer paused or still being worked on soon.

[lament stump]

i dont think it is, the more likely scenario is they need assets for it and have started doing that which is why there have been no updates on it, but announcing the forge which will probably use some of those assets is a good indicator they are still working on it