ARGO CSV-SM and CSV-FM - SM Released in 3.24.2

[lament widget]

Greycat CAV/CST - Release patch not yet announced

[undone zenith]

Is there anything in the leak that makes people think it's greycat instead of argo?

[fluid orbit]

so it's a ground vehicle with missiles and a roof rack for cargo?

[dim viper]

ARGO CSV

groundvehicles/argo_csv_cargo
Name="ARGO_CSV_SCItem_SeatAccess"
Name="Controller_Wheel_ARGO_CSV"
Name="Controller_Door"
Name="Controller_Light"
Name="Controller_Energy"
Name="Controller_Cooler"
Name="Controller_Comms"
Name="Controller_Shield_ARGO_CSV"
Name="Controller_Weapon_Vehicle"
Name="Controller_CapacitorAssignment"
Name="POWR_LPLT_S00_Radix_SCItem"
Name="COOL_JSPN_S00_FrostStarSL_SCItem"
Name="SHLD_SECO_S00_PIN_SCItem"
Name="Door_NoRoomConnector_CSV_ComponentBay_Radar"
Name="VHCL_SelfDestruct_10s"
Name="ARMR_ARGO_CSV"
Name="Door_NoRoomConnector_CSV_ComponentBay_Lifesupport"
Name="" entityClassReference
Name="Fuel_Port_PLACEHOLDER_CSV"
Name="Door_NoRoomConnector_CSV_ComponentBay_Avionics"
Name="RELAY_2slot"
Name="" entityClassReference
Name="" entityClassReference
Name="Weapon_Rack_ARGO_CSV"
Name="ARGO_CSV_Cargo_Rack_Top"
Name="ARGO_CSV_Roof_Cap"

ARGO_CSV
entrance_hatch

[dim viper]

Introducing the ARGO CSV-SM

Vehicle name: ARGO CSV-SM
Focus: Cargo
**Description:**You got your plot of land, you’ve got the right construction materials, and now you’re ready to watch your dreams take shape. The ideal companion to the CSV-FM, the CSV Supply Model provides additional storage for all the resources required to build your next settlement.

@stiff yacht Imagine not seeing the threads

[little ember]

SO THE CAV HAS MISSILES?

damn

[maiden torrent]

I can't tell how big it is

[little ember]

this is literally just a mule though, lets see if it actually works

[maiden torrent]

It looks small but also looks big

[little ember]

I would compare to mule, cockpit is likely about the same size so not much bigger than a mule. wider of course and a bit longer

but I would base it off the mule size

[hexed abyss]

its around 3.75m wide and 8m long

thers actual metrics somewhere but its big

[dim viper]

Also probably has variants, since it says "SM," and the description mentions an "FM"

[hexed abyss]

whatever CSV-FM stands for

fabricator model

[maiden torrent]

I wonder what the LG looks like

[hexed abyss]

definitely a base oriented vehicle

[little ember]

we know about
CSV:

• CSV (SM)
• CSV (FM?)
• CAV

CAV is clearly combat because it has fucking missiles

[dim viper]

CAV is the greycat one anyway

[little ember]

Wait what

[hexed abyss]

FM is definitely Fabricator Module cause having the spartan with a giant trailer made no sense

[little ember]

Wait

[dim viper]

These two were found together, hence why pipeline bundled them together

[little ember]

So CSV is argo? CAV is greycat?

Oh ok

[hexed abyss]

not confusing at all

[little ember]

I imagine CAV is a Cyclone AA competitor

Or similar

[dim viper]

SM probably means Storage Module

[hexed abyss]

Supply Model, says it in the description you posted

[dim viper]

It's possible the Fabricator has to have a nearby cargo grid with the appropriate materials.

So you're probably going to be buying 1-SCU Stor-Alls, putting in all of your materials

Because if you look at the materials list, it's quite extensive: #1295031996271165563 message

And a lot of little things

[little ember]

I still see no reason this won't release, likely more effective/efficient

[hexed abyss]

but you need a galaxy sized ship to fit it, and galaxy supposedly has a fabricator module

[little ember]

I mean why would you? Could fit in a hercules just like the other atlas chasis vehicles

You can fit two atlas vehicles back to back in the hercules

Only issue would be the antenna which I imagine they will fix

why wouldn't you*

[hexed abyss]

theres too much overlap/no point in the atlas platform then, unless the CSV can only create the size of buildings that the hand trolley can which makes the CSV pointless

[little ember]

I don't really understand how it is pointless, CSV is more accessible and easy to transport but still more effective then pushing around a hand trolley.

And since when was overlap a reason for CIG to not release something

lol

[hexed abyss]

i mean if the point of the atlas is to allow other ships like galaxy to make the size of buildings galaxy can, why would they put that on a vehicle that can only fit in c2 and 890 atm

[little ember]

For people who don't want to be cornered into just using a Galaxy, more options is a better thing not a worse thing.

[hexed abyss]

itd be better to put that in a 30-50m ship then

[little ember]

Also keep in mind as of right now (with the modules we know of) the Galaxy can't fit an Atlas chasis vehicle. Even on the cargo version the elevators likely won't fit it.

So the Atlas chasis one would be ideal for those who don't own a Galaxy

[hexed abyss]

right but that only benefits 2 ship owners (both ships which cost tons), so its not really that many more options

and thats only if they were to buff it to build the same level of galaxy size buildings

[bitter surge]

wouldnt fit inside hercules or carrack too ?

i have neither, no clue

[hexed abyss]

atlas fits in 890 and c2, but it also has that trailer so probably only c2 realistically

[little ember]

But its still a benefit and we know for sure that there are plenty of ships in the pipeline that can fit an atlas chasis vehicle.

So sure current state it doesn't make sense, but future state it will

If CIG went by the mentality of "oh it doesn't benefit every single player lets just not do it" nothing would release

[hexed abyss]

im assuming CSV replaces the atlas cause that just makes more sense

[little ember]

Agree to disagree on that one

which is fine

we don't need to agree

[hexed abyss]

what even is the point tho if you can only build the size between galaxy and hand trolley with a galaxy sized ship

CSV will fit in a lot more ships which means theres a better scale to building there

[little ember]

Atlas chasis can build full building modules in a more quick timeline and with more efficiency, it sounds like the CSV is going to require the work of both the SM and FM to do it all.

There will likely be efficiency benefits to the Atlas version

[hexed abyss]

it sounds like youll need cargo nearby to allow the drones to build and it doesnt appear that the atlas has any storage for that so youd need to have an SM or any other cargo moving method nearby anyways

[little ember]

Yes the benefit of the CSV is that it can fit in smaller ships but that was the point of the hand trolley but even when we only knew about the original set of base building ships they still advertised the atlas version, so clearly it still has a place in the lineup.

[hexed abyss]

i doubt the atlas fabricator is even happening ngl

[little ember]

I mean if it is in the description this late in the game, I bet it is happening

I also personally doubt the trolley or FM will be able to build full building modules, I imagine it will be partial builds that require multiple runs or smaller more specified modules.

[hexed abyss]

where have you seen the description for the atlas fabricator?

[little ember]

Something the Atlas could do in one run

[little ember]

Its referenced in the description for the SM

[hexed abyss]

CSV-FM?

[little ember]

Oh Atlas Fabricator

Sorry misread

The only reference was from CitCon, but that doesn't mean it strictly isn't happening.

Plenty of shit teased at CitCon we haven't seen yet, sure we can guess its not happening but it isn't rooted in much truth.

[hexed abyss]

i think it isnt, cause why would they go to make a new vehicle for it if they were intending to add the atlas

[little ember]

Because they serve slightly different roles potentially?

[hexed abyss]

theres very little wiggle room in their roles

[little ember]

We really won't know until the FM releases and we know its limitations

[little ember]

But I don't get your reasoning there, the CSV is effectively the same as the hand trolley. The Atlas is meant to be an upgrade from the hand trolley.

So yes the Atlas would still be a step up with that logix

logic

[hexed abyss]

im reasoning that the CSV is replacing the atlas cause its just smarter to do that, it allows people who have a c1-connie sized ship to be able to build bigger bases than someone in a cutter can

it fleshes out the scale better than going from tiny cart, to a vehicle that can only fit in a giant ship, to a giant ship

[little ember]

But that logic doesn't really make sense, if the CSV functional area is only slightly bigger than the hand trolley how could you assume it could do so much more

[little ember]

but then there is no middle ground between CSV and having a whole ass Galaxy

Which imo makes zero sense

[hexed abyss]

because im assuming that the trolley can only do small structures, cause if it could do medium that makes the atlas make no sense

[hexed abyss]

there is, the middle ground is all the ships that can hold the CSV

so its trolley, a c1-connie with a CSV, then a galaxy

[little ember]

Exactly, if the trolley can only do small I think its a very safe assumption that the CSV can only do small. So requiring a Galaxy to do medium is a bit ridiculous.

[hexed abyss]

instead of a trolley, a C2, then a galaxy

[little ember]

Thats where the Atlas fits in

[hexed abyss]

galaxy is large, atlas/soon to be CSV is medium

[little ember]

You are completely missing that having an Atlas chasis will enable non-galaxy owners to build medium structures

[little ember]

Lol, the CSV is not a medium size vehicle though

[hexed abyss]

again bro itll only enable like 2 other ship owners

[little ember]

Its closer to a mule than an Atlas

[little ember]

CURRENT STATE yes

[hexed abyss]

you shouldnt have to use a giant ship just to build medium structures

[little ember]

You are forgetting half the concept ships

[hexed abyss]

the only other ships that will also be able to fit atlas are also giant 100m+ ships

[hexed abyss]

im referrign to the size of the structures they can build

[little ember]

The Galaxy is roughly the same size as a Hercules in terms of functional space but having an Atlas chasis will enable other owners of similar sized ships to make medium structures

[hexed abyss]

cause the trolley sure aint the size of a small vehicle

[hexed abyss]

im pretty sure you arent seeing the flaw in this

the scale is currently going from a hand trolley, to a c2 sized ship. thats how it is, there is no c1-connie sized thing that can do medium structures

[little ember]

So anybody who doesn't own a Galaxy is locked out of building medium structures is what you are saying.

The CSV functional space is roughly the same size as the hand trolley so assuming it can make medium structures is a bit of a leap imo

[little ember]

Well there has to be some limitation

[hexed abyss]

the hand trolley is like 2x2m, the CSV is ~4x8

[little ember]

the entire CSV is yes, I am talking about strictly the functional area

[hexed abyss]

right, but that limitation shouldnt be that if you dont have a huge ship you can only build a tiny little house

[little ember]

As I have specified multiple times

[hexed abyss]

that actually reminds me, this probably couldnt fit in a c2

that thing is way too tall

[little ember]

The atlas chasis has a fair bit of clearance above it in a hercules

It may need slimmed down a bit yes, but it wouldn't be far off

[hexed abyss]

yeah no way

[little ember]

Placing it side to side with it doesn't really showcase the additional size you have when the ramp is open, the ceiling of the cargo bay is taller than it looks on the outside

Also there could potentially be efficiency benefits to having the Atlas size vs the CSV. Maybe the CSV can make medium structures if you stretch it but assuming it can do it all in one go is an even bigger stretch.

I guess agree to disagree on this one

I see no reason to believe the Atlas version would already be scrapped

[hexed abyss]

how does spartan even fit in c2 holup

[little ember]

I don't think the CSV changes its validity to exist

[hexed abyss]

its 5.5m tall and the c2s bay is only 4 scu tall which is 5m

[little ember]

The SCU height is less than the roof of the cargo bay

by a decent amount

[hexed abyss]

unless atlas can do large structures which makes more sense

[little ember]

artificial limitation

[hexed abyss]

certainly not enough to fit that giant fabrication module

[bitter surge]

just snap it to the hull-c, done

[hexed abyss]

so if the atlas even is still happening itll be large structure building since it can only fit in a large ship

[little ember]

Eh I don't think it would be that far off but also I think like most concept ships/vehicles it will be adjusted to fit better

Thats just my opinion though

[little ember]

But again that opens up the possibility of people building large structures without strictly having to buy a Galaxy

what if someone wants to do it who owns a large ship but doesn't specifically want a Galaxy

[hexed abyss]

yeah that makes sense doesnt it

[bitter surge]

what if you can hire other players having a galaxy

[little ember]

How does it not?

"Hey I know you wanna build large buildings but only if you buy a specific ship"

[hexed abyss]

werent you in support of being able to do it more than one ship other than galaxy

[little ember]

Yes, thats exactly what I am saying?

Having the Atlas allows people to do it in more than one ship

[hexed abyss]

yeah thats what im saying too, if atlas allows large structure building

[little ember]

Yes we agree on that then

I think we confused each other

[hexed abyss]

but CSV most certainly will be building medium sized structures and currently atlas is medium too

[little ember]

I disagree the CSV will be able to build medium, but thats my take on it

The functional area is about the same as the trolley which can only build small

What suggests the CSV can build medium?

[hexed abyss]

i dont see why they would add a hand trolley and then also add a ground vehicle that does the exact same thing

[little ember]

Options?

CIG is famous for building overlapping options, why would they all of a sudden stop?

[hexed abyss]

im assuming galaxys fabrication module doesnt take up the entirety of the module room since it probably needs room to fit other stuff based on its location in the ship, so it will probably take up as much space as this things butt does

[little ember]

Why would the fabrication module not take up all the same space if all the other modules take up the entire space?

[hexed abyss]

like look at the refinery module, all of that could probably fit on a prospector

[little ember]

That makes no sense at all

Its a dedicated module space, without a module its completely empty. What else would magically go in it?

[hexed abyss]

the other modules dont though other than cargo, the actual facilitys that do the refining or medical treatment arent that big

[little ember]

what lol

[hexed abyss]

again look at the refinery module, it isnt taking up the entire space

[hexed abyss]

yeah, the medbeds themselves could all fit in an apollo, it doesnt need a lift

[little ember]

How else would they get rescued people into it from the ground?

[hexed abyss]

???

[little ember]

With that logic they should just stop production on the Galaxy because the Apollo exists

[hexed abyss]

i mean yeah they could

galaxy exists to get them more money

[little ember]

What is confusing about that? No other entrance on the Galaxy fits a medbed

[little ember]

Ok but thats arguing in bad faith at that point, yes of course they are

[hexed abyss]

youre misunderstanding me. when im saying the medical area doesnt take up the same space, im saying the entire room isnt one giant medbed or some giant thing that the medbed needs to function

the spartans trailer is probably the same size as whatever will be in the galaxy module

[little ember]

Yes but the lift to bring medbeds up is inherently part of the medical module

[little ember]

Exactly, so no reason it wouldn't be upsized to make large structures meaning the Atlas gives the option for non-Galaxy owners to build large structures

[hexed abyss]

right, but the medbeds dont need that. it isnt a part of the medbeds at all. its apart of the ship

[little ember]

I am confused where the disconnect is

[hexed abyss]

apollo doesnt have a giant lift in the middle, and it has all the same beds i believe

[dim viper]

Who knows, maybe ARGO will make its own Atlas Platform

[little ember]

Its actually not as the lift doesn't exist without the module

[hexed abyss]

okay, its a part of the module

but the module isnt the same as the facilities inside of the module

again what arent you understanding? the refineries arent taking up the ENTIRE space of the module they occupy, so neither will the basebuilding fabricator module

[little ember]

Not quite as much, the Apollo can only fit 6 beds if it only has Tier 3 beds. All other configurations can only fit 5.

The Galaxy has 6 by default with different sizes.

[hexed abyss]

you could most likely fit both of those refineries on a spartan sized vehicle

[little ember]

I understand it doesn't, but you have to consider space for storage of currently pending jobs (boxes) and room for people to actually move around.

Of course it doesn't take up every square inch, doing so wouldn't make sense.

[hexed abyss]

you were arguing that the CSV and hand trolleys facilities occupy the same space, so it wouldnt make sense for CSV to build bigger vehicles, im arguing that spartan and galaxys fabricators take up the same space as well

^ just so we remember what were talking about

[little ember]

But this also doesn't invalidate the potential point of the Atlas version existing if the point of the Atlas version existing is to allow non-Galaxy owners to do the same as a Galaxy.

I think you are completely ignoring that point.

[little ember]

That also doesn't invalidate it?

Lol

[hexed abyss]

why cant an atlas build galaxy sized stuff then?

[little ember]

You literally just proved my point.

If the Atlas has the same amount of non-functional space percentage as the Galaxy it means that its output would be lower. The same logic applies.

Thats why I also believe that the CSV will only be able to build small modules because its "functional" space is so close to the hand trolley that the slightly more space wouldn't mean it can just build a whole size up.

[dim viper]

@balmy blaze Yeah, it's the CSV Supply Module for the CSV Fabrication Module

[hexed abyss]

if atlas allows you to build large structures yeah i want it to exist for people who own a c2 or ironclad, but if its only medium i dont cause CSV is almost certainly replacing atlas for the medium sized structures due to it just making more sense and also being siginificantly bigger than the hand trolley physically

[little ember]

You assuming the CSV is replacing the Atlas makes zero sense actually.

Why would the CSV replace a vehicle substantially larger than it?

[hexed abyss]

wdym non-functional space percentage in this

[little ember]

Thats the logic that makes no sense

[hexed abyss]

because that vehicle is TOO BIG for it to make sense

[little ember]

Then this goes right back to "only galaxy owners can build any notable sized structures"

[hexed abyss]

imagine if they dropped the galaxy and it only had like 2 s3s as weaponry. the weaponry would be too small to make sense. imagine if they gave an aurora 2 s5s. they weaponry would be too big to make sense. it applies here too

[little ember]

The issue is we fundamentally disagree on what size the CSV will be able to build, I think it is a very far (too far) reach to think it can build medium sized.

Maybe it will, I just see it as unlikely.

[hexed abyss]

only galaxy sized ship owners can build notable sized structures atm yes, if we ignore the CSV for a second

[little ember]

Again this goes to what I just said

[hexed abyss]

again, if atlas becomes able to build large structure i agree on keeping it

but that isnt how it is and you dont think thatll change based on what youve said

[little ember]

Or if the CSV can only build small structures

That will then make the Atlas make sense

It goes both ways

[hexed abyss]

yeah that doesnt make sense cause we have the hand trolley

[little ember]

Oh my god, I am not explaining my thought process on that to you again

I'm just gunna move away from the debate

We will see when it all happens

[hexed abyss]

i seriously dont know why you think CSV should only build small like genuinely

[little ember]

I have explained it no less than 4 times

[hexed abyss]

and your explanations dont make sense dog

[little ember]

I just don't think you are reading my opinion on it, which is fine

[little ember]

And from my POV, neither does yours

It literally goes both ways

[hexed abyss]

i can do a quick run down if i need to to encapsulate my argument

[little ember]

No thats ok lol

[hexed abyss]

i think weve encountered an issue where weve mixed hypotheticals with how it actually is and thats caused us to both have 2 different arguments

[little ember]

Indeed, I believe the CSV will only be able to build small and you believe it will be able to build medium. Thats the primary point we disagree on.

[balmy blaze]

Cool.
Wait.... a module for a module?!

[dim viper]

Pretty much

[waxen geode]

ARGO CSV-SM - Release patch not yet announced

[plucky yew]

the hover trolley isnt that far off to what a building csv variant could have for its building mechanism

meanwhile the Atlas platform is 16-18m long, so I too side with detective on CSV building variant (if there even is one, one we’re getting as STF this patch is just cargo) will only be for building small structures like the trolley

[untold cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-ishowspeed-gif-1290931606264393136

[crimson orbit]

no way :O a pick up

[untold cairn]

Murican be like : this is the way

[fluid orbit]

I guess you can probably put seats in those cargo spots. Maybe four seats and players can sit in them, so then you have an open air bus to carry people with.

[slow tusk]

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x97ah0s more CSV

[untold cairn]

omfg yes ! thanks for sharing dude

[slow tusk]

np

[dim viper]

It has a fuel port

Manual fuel loading coming soon I guess

[novel sphinx]

I hope that comes as an optional mechanic and we can still just auto fuel with the mobi app

[little ember]

Ngl, that looks sexy as hell

I love it

[hexed abyss]

All things have since like 2022

[dim viper]

I didn't know the PTV or STV had one

[hexed abyss]

STV does

Even pulse has one

[slim loom]

So i checked out the leaked on the new base building type vehcile and i think it wil be classed as a survayor tool as mentioned from here on this time stamp -> https://youtu.be/r2WGrpL-mEY?si=SJ1KS3uUxGCqzanF&t=5020

Thoughts? could we see basic base building in 4.1?

[dim viper]

@waxen geode Probably going to want to rename this back to the Greycat-CAV once we get the CSV properly announced in a handful of days.

[waxen geode]

I thought it was Argo in the files?

[dim viper]

This was both the Greycat CAV and CSV leaks thread when Kenny named it

[waxen geode]

Oh…

[dim viper]

Since Pipeline discovered them both together

[waxen geode]

ARGO CSV-SM and Greycat CAV- Release patch not yet announced

Better?

[dim viper]

The CAV is a new missile vehicle from greycat. Yeah.

[waxen geode]

Just trying to be helpful lol. Sorry

[dim viper]

It's way up at the start of the thread. We had a whole mess of building chat here between then and now, so it's way up there: #1294715661246795848 message

[waxen geode]

Yeah, I had thought it just hadn’t been renamed because of the whole Kenny getting himself banned for a short time (unbanned now but not back yet I think)

[digital jewel]

Only quetion now is which will have LTI :p

[dim viper]

All Original Concept Sales (EG: the first time it's available), ground vehicle or not, have LTI for the warbond.

[digital jewel]

was being mildly facetious - given the "module for module"

[little ember]

I will definitely be buying the CSV. Probably won't pick up the CAV as I try not to purchase combat vehicles but the CSV is sexy as hell tbh.

[balmy blaze]

They have been numbed to comedy

[tulip maple]

I doubt that's going away, but it also opens up outpost fueling and fuel salvage

[fleet sequoia]

Im prob going to do the same for my pioneer when I want to move bulk without having to take multiple trips inside with my ATLS

Also they really done killed the mule. I do wonder what the max box size is for the CSV. From the pictures looks like an 8scu could fit?

[dim viper]

I think it's 4 only

[slate mist]

So what then pray tell is the CSV-FM?

Someone earlier said SM = Storage Module and FM = Fabricator Module. So great, we have to buy multiple of the same vehicle? Lol

[dim viper]

The SM is actually "Supply Model" #1294715661246795848 message @slate mist

[slate mist]

Ok yeah supply not storage but i imagine same idea

One sounds like its for building shit and the other is for storing what you use to build

[dim viper]

So the FM will likely be Fabrication or Fabricator Model

[slim loom]

Csv pic?

[dim viper]

We have a video of the CSV-SM: #1294715661246795848 message

[slim loom]

Thanks. Is that going to be used for base building? @dim viper

[dim viper]

It can be used for anything cargo related (Since that's an actual grid), but it's meant to be a Supply Module for the CSV-FM

[rugged atlas]

I know the conversation has moved from this but i spent the time to upscale it. so...here it is

[crimson orbit]

hot

this thing is a need

[dim viper]

@little ember This one should be renamed to ARGO CSV-SM and CSV-FM - SM Released in 3.24.2

I'll make a new thread for the CAV. Since we barely ever used this thread for it anyway.

[little ember]

ARGO CSV-SM and CSV-FM - SM Released in 3.24.2

Done and sounds good

[naive marlin]

do we have any idea on how much the CSV-FM will be?

[novel sphinx]

no

probably around the CSV-SM price

[naive marlin]

the CSM-FM is able to build medium structures so think it'll be a bit more expensive

a 10$-20$ increase in my opinion

[wraith violet]

thought it was only small

[naive marlin]

The grav cat was small
CSV-FM is medium
STAR BLD is large
Pioneer is Xtra large

[naive marlin]

Apparently the CSV-FM will be sold at IAE this year

[tough bronze]

Don't forget the galaxy gets large.

[novel sphinx]

and yes that on the back of the roof houses the camera drone for the bird view build perspective

[digital jewel]

NOICE - it has a sink.

[fluid orbit]

could be the Bidet